Tookie Williams execution[views:45079][posts:250]__________________________________ [Dec 12,2005 9:12pm - litacore ""] in a few hours. a changed man? |
| ______________________________ [Dec 12,2005 9:14pm - nate ""] I heard he was asking for a stay of execution. I assuming it didn't work? I've read someof his stuff and it sounded like he changed but I dunno really on that one... |
| __________________________________ [Dec 12,2005 9:18pm - litacore ""] founder of the crips? jesus, that's not very wholesome. I'm not particularly in favor of the death penalty, but I think if you commit murder you have to take responsibility for your actions. Paying WHAT price is debatable. It's like the problem I have with Christianity: be a fucker in life, then "repent" at the 11th hour, and enjoy paradise. EAT ME. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 12,2005 9:25pm - nate ""] I agree with you totally and I didn't say he should be granted the stay of execution. But some of the shit he wrote, based on the very large mistakes he made, made sense. If only the rest of the gangstas could read they might see and read what he went through and realize that that lifestyle is like flushing your life down a big toilet. I guess the big toilet isn't all bad since most live in the sewer(ghetto) anyway... |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 12,2005 9:32pm - todayistheday ""] fuck that guy...he killed 4 people |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 12,2005 9:33pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""] Die when you die, when you die, you're gonna die. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 12,2005 9:37pm - dreadkill ""] i love the death penalty. we need it in massachusetts. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 12,2005 9:41pm - nate ""] the funny thing here is, we (meaning myself included) all write about and make heroes out of serial killers but some black gangster kills a few people and it's like the devil incarnate has been let loose. Regardless, whether you kill 1, 2, 3 or 4,000 people the death penalty should immediatly be imposed upon dna proof that the crimes were committed by the person being charged. Like I've said before, public executions need to come back so idiots can see just what happens to them when they do stupid shit like kill people. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 12,2005 9:52pm - Dissector ""] AUTOPSY_666 said:Die when you die, when you die, you're gonna die. GG! And I agree with Nate's last post. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 12,2005 10:22pm - hungta‘bleed ""] KILL HIM! I'm a strong supporter of the death penalty. The assholes outside the prison make me sick. Them faggo-leftist-ACLU types who's hearts bleed for the execution of murderers are the same assholes who lobby congress so that women have the 'choice' to abort any babies. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 12,2005 10:38pm - ArrowHead nli ""] hungta‘bleed said: Them faggo-leftist-ACLU types who's hearts bleed for the execution of murderers are the same assholes who lobby congress so that women have the 'choice' to abort any babies. Actually, last time I looked it was the faggot right wing retards like yourself who lobby for pro life. Us left wingers already have roe vs. wade to support us, we're just busy trying to keep the religious right like yourselves from taking that away from us. By the way, they're fetuses, not babies. That said, we've establishes a REFORM based prison system. The death penalty was for the unrepentant, unreformable folks who were seen as a continued threat to society. Expecting an execution for someone who makes some progress at reform is just as foolish as expecting a dismissal of all charges for that same person. Let him rot in jail for life, pay his debt, and continue writing his books. |
| ___________________________________________________ [Dec 12,2005 10:42pm - FAGGO-LEFTIST-ACLU TYPE ""] We'll just assume that all those insults about bleeding hearts are your way of saying thank you for the 40 hour work week, vacation pay, free speech, and all the other things us pinkos are respobsible for or protect. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 12,2005 10:43pm - ArrowHead nli ""] By the way, what example are we setting when we can set a standard of "eye for an eye" for the judicial system, yet make the same standard inaplicable towards the average private citizen? You think you could make any headway, trying to explain to some poor uneducated gang banging thug that it's morally right and legally okay to murder murderers, but that such justice is equally as wrong for them to extract themselves? Most gang related murders are vigilante style acts of retaliation or vengence. The last thing we need to do is set the wrong example as a nation. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 12,2005 10:45pm - brian_dc ""] hungta‘bleed said:KILL HIM! I'm a strong supporter of the death penalty. The assholes outside the prison make me sick. Them faggo-leftist-ACLU types who's hearts bleed for the execution of murderers are the same assholes who lobby congress so that women have the 'choice' to abort any babies. I'm not sure why choice would be in quotes there....are you trying to be ironic, or referencing something? in the first case, explain the irony (it's not remotely clear) second case, give me a works cited. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 12,2005 10:45pm - ArrowHead nli ""] FAGGO-LEFTIST-ACLU TYPE said:We'll just assume that all those insults about bleeding hearts are your way of saying thank you for the 40 hour work week, vacation pay, free speech, and all the other things us pinkos are respobsible for or protect. amen. And don't forget the welfare system, wick, and other wonderful burdens the far left has placed on my weekly paycheck. Hmmmm, seems both sides can be in the wrong, eh? |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 12,2005 10:48pm - brian_dc ""] ArrowHead nli said:By the way, what example are we setting when we can set a standard of "eye for an eye" for the judicial system, yet make the same standard inaplicable towards the average private citizen? You think you could make any headway, trying to explain to some poor uneducated gang banging thug that it's morally right and legally okay to murder murderers, but that such justice is equally as wrong for them to extract themselves? Most gang related murders are vigilante style acts of retaliation or vengence. The last thing we need to do is set the wrong example as a nation. "Hey, remember the other day when you were asking me aboutthe definition of irony?" |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 12,2005 10:52pm - brian_dc ""] ArrowHead nli said:FAGGO-LEFTIST-ACLU TYPE said:We'll just assume that all those insults about bleeding hearts are your way of saying thank you for the 40 hour work week, vacation pay, free speech, and all the other things us pinkos are respobsible for or protect. amen. And don't forget the welfare system, wick, and other wonderful burdens the far left has placed on my weekly paycheck. Hmmmm, seems both sides can be in the wrong, eh? every side and everything in between is bound to create a scenario that a large chunk of people will hate. Focusing on one particular extreme just increases pool of people who are likely to get pissed. Unfortunately, the system requires dissatisfaction to remain relevant. etc. etc. etc. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 12,2005 10:56pm - ArrowHead nli ""] Exactly, that's my point brian. Taking examples of the far left or far right is always going to show extremes, both good and bad. That's why it's the left and right. Ideally, we all would like to live in the middle ground somewhere, but without BOTH extremes existing, we wouldn't benefit nearly as much from out current political system. Anyone who claims one side is more "right" than the other is missing this point entirely. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 12,2005 11:32pm - DomesticTerror ""] didn't Texas recently have another executed prisoner proven to be innocent? I'm pretty sure... I'm gonna go burn a flag now, just cuz i can. |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 12:41am - dwellingsickness ""] Was he executed or what?...I could not find it on TV |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 1:31am - BornSoVile ""] I dunno bout you guys but I wanna fuck Nancy Grace wild. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 1:39am - BornSoVile ""] Yeah he's gonna be executed, Jamie Foxx says theres gonna be riot too. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 1:46am - AUTOPSY_666 ""] Riots are good for the economy. Burn LA, burn! |
| __________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 2:35am - dan nli ""] i think the death penalty sucks mainly for the reason that i strongly believe that the state shouldnt be able to control life and death. which is the same reason i am pro-euthenasia and pro-choice. i am not overtly political or anything but its like...they can tell us we have to live when we dont want to and they can tell us when we are going to die? doesnt seem right to me. in any event, this guy obviously did some terrible shit and ruined a bunch of peoples lives (probably a bunch of people who sucked to begin with but thats neither here nor there). i think the main point is that its not that he is reformed and thats the reason he shouldnt die... the point is he became an actual advocate against the crimes he committed. in a big way. he wrote books and became a recognized public figure. i think its really fucking stupid to kill him considering keeping him alive could possibly do more good than killing him. i mean why are there even jails? just to house people who do fucked up things? shouldnt reform be encouraged? this is just saying 'yeah you can commit crime and have no remorse and be released and commit more crimes or you can go to jail and be reformed and try to live your life the way we deem is right and contribute to society...either way we dont really give a shit.' which is probably why the US prison system is so terrible compared to other countries. but i dont know. this guy dying isnt going to effect the way my breakfest tastes so fuck it. |
| ________________________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 3:33am - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] this has nothing to do with nothing but it's arnold's reasoning behind not giving up clemency Arnold’s official response is here, and here are some key aspects (.pdf): http://www.governor.ca.gov/govsite/pdf/pre...2005/Williams_Clemency_Decision.pdf he basis of Williams’ clemency request is not innocence. Rather, the basis of the request is the “personal redemption Stanley Williams has experienced and the positive impact of the message he sends.”4 But Williams’ claim of innocence remains a key factor to evaluating his claim of personal redemption. It is impossible to separate Williams’ claim of innocence from his claim of redemption. Cumulatively, the evidence demonstrating Williams is guilty of these murders is strong and compelling. It includes: (1) eyewitness testimony of Alfred Coward, who was one of Williams’ accomplices in the 7-Eleven shooting; (2) ballistics evidence proving that the shotgun casing found at the scene of the motel murders was fired from Williams’ shotgun; (3) testimony from Samuel Coleman that Williams confessed that he had robbed and killed some people on Vermont Street (where the motel was located); (4) testimony from James and Esther Garrett that Williams admitted to them that he committed both sets of murders; and (5) testimony from jailhouse informant George Oglesby that Williams confessed to the motel murders and conspired with Oglesby to escape from county jail. The trial evidence is bolstered by information from Tony Sims, who has admitted to being an accomplice in the 7-Eleven murder. Sims did not testify against Williams at trial, but he was later convicted of murder for his role in Albert Owens’ death. During his trial and subsequent parole hearings, Sims has repeatedly stated under oath that Williams was the shooter. Based on the cumulative weight of the evidence, there is no reason to second guess the jury’s decision of guilt or raise significant doubts or serious reservations about Williams’ convictions and death sentence. He murdered Albert Owens and Yen-I Yang, Yee-Chen Lin and Tsai-Shai Lin in cold blood in two separate incidents that were just weeks apart. *** Is Williams’ redemption complete and sincere, or is it just a hollow promise? Stanley Williams insists he is innocent, and that he will not and should not apologize or otherwise atone for the murders of the four victims in this case. Without an apology and atonement for these senseless and brutal killings there can be no redemption. In this case, the one thing that would be the clearest indication of complete remorse and full redemption is the one thing Williams will not do. Clemency decisions are always difficult, and this one is no exception. After reviewing and weighing the showing Williams has made in support of his clemency request, there is nothing that compels me to nullify the jury’s decision of guilt and sentence and the many court decisions during the last 24 years upholding the jury’s decision with a grant of clemency. Therefore, based on the totality of circumstances in this case, Williams’ request for clemency is denied. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 4:51am - powerkok ""] Fuck him.....die. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 4:52am - ArrowHead nli ""] dan nli said:i think the main point is that its not that he is reformed and thats the reason he shouldnt die... the point is he became an actual advocate against the crimes he committed. That's called reform. Therefore the point IS that he reformed and that is why he shouldn't die. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 6:14am - Anonymous ""] http://californiaexecution.ytmnd.com/# |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 7:53am - scoracrasia ""] http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,178521,00.html He is dead. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 8:16am - succubus ""] yes i heard it on NPR this morning too. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 8:25am - InventorofEvil ""] This fucker was on Death row for 24 years.He should have been executed back the 80s.All nigger gang members should be put to death.Their fucking useless. |
| _________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 8:57am - soloman ""] InventorofEvil said:This fucker was on Death row for 24 years... dude death row records isn't even that old. |
| _________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 9:33am - paulll ""] death penalty is stupid, it costs too much, takes too long and in the end it proves nothing. Let "tookie" serve the rest of his life in prison. However if the govenator says its ok im cool with it. |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 10:03am - the_reverend ""] [img] does he look like he would feel bad for anything? he doesn't in have, what you call, feelings. |
| ________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 10:41am - Yeti ""] when death is staring you in the face, especially the moment of it, you will say ANYTHING to live. sure he did some great things against crime, but he has to pay for what he did. he stole 4 peoples lives. those people he murdered had no chance for redemption, or a chance to show him that they are good people and should be spared. how about all the lives that the "Crips" steal on a daily basis? all because of him? he got what he deserved. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 11:21am - HailTheLeaf ""] Our society breeds crime through poverty and social gaps, then our solution is to kill these people. Wasn't the point of our "justice system" to reform people? Why have we murdered this man? What options did he have growing up that led him to believe forming a gang was a good idea? Another thing, we have DNA testing available now, if this guy maintained his innocence for 30 years, why the hell didn't they at least retest the evidence before executing him? Doesn't everyone deserve that? Even if he was guilty, regardless of that, he was trying to redem himself, where are you so called "forgiving" christians now? |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 11:59am - hungta‘bleed ""] I definatly wasn't talking about the wobblies and the leftist labor movement groups and organizers of the early 20th century when I called the protesters 'faggo-leftist ACLU types. I'm talking about the modern, hard line, mentally deranged leftists who'll fight for abortion rights till their death but will hold a candle light vigil out side a prison when they execute rapists, murderers, and child molesters. All I have to say about the ACLU is that they supported NAMBLA pro bono (that means FOR FREE!!). You might remember the case, it stemmed off the conviction of two fags who subsribed to NAMBLA that raped and murdered a 10 year old. Anyone who supports the ACLU is a disgrace to this country. :pukeface: |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 12:01pm - hungta‘bleed ""] I said all that shit :point: to 'FAGGO-LEFTIST-ACLU TYPE' |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 12:32pm - Josh_Martin ""] hungta‘bleed said:I definatly wasn't talking about the wobblies and the leftist labor movement groups and organizers of the early 20th century when I called the protesters 'faggo-leftist ACLU types. I'm talking about the modern, hard line, mentally deranged leftists who'll fight for abortion rights till their death but will hold a candle light vigil out side a prison when they execute rapists, murderers, and child molesters. All I have to say about the ACLU is that they supported NAMBLA pro bono (that means FOR FREE!!). You might remember the case, it stemmed off the conviction of two fags who subsribed to NAMBLA that raped and murdered a 10 year old. Anyone who supports the ACLU is a disgrace to this country. :pukeface: You are dumb and don't read case history very well. Actually, I'm pretty sure you are just talking out of your ass. Your arguements are about as sound as something overheard in an old-man bar at lunch time. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 12:38pm - RustedAngel ""] oh man, here comes Dr. Josh Martin... |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 12:39pm - succubus ""] yeah, i don't agree with the death penalty...if someone murders a member of my family, I would want to kill my family's murderer myself. So they will feel pain while i cut up various pieces of their body. That's justice! |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 12:41pm - brian_dc ""] ArrowHead nli said:By the way, what example are we setting when we can set a standard of "eye for an eye" for the judicial system, yet make the same standard inaplicable towards the average private citizen? You think you could make any headway, trying to explain to some poor uneducated gang banging thug that it's morally right and legally okay to murder murderers, but that such justice is equally as wrong for them to extract themselves? Most gang related murders are vigilante style acts of retaliation or vengence. The last thing we need to do is set the wrong example as a nation. still agree with this. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 12:41pm - RustedAngel ""] succubus said:yeah, i don't agree with the death penalty...if someone murders a member of my family, I would want to kill my family's murderer myself. So they will feel pain while i cut up various pieces of their body. That's justice! how cool would it be if they would let the family of the victim physically inject or flick the switch for a death penalty? pretty cool I would imagine. hahaha. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 12:55pm - Josh_Martin ""] RustedAngel said:succubus said:yeah, i don't agree with the death penalty...if someone murders a member of my family, I would want to kill my family's murderer myself. So they will feel pain while i cut up various pieces of their body. That's justice! how cool would it be if they would let the family of the victim physically inject or flick the switch for a death penalty? pretty cool I would imagine. hahaha. You are quite the Einstein yourself. "Huh huh, the death penalty is cool beavis" |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 1:03pm - RustedAngel ""] [img] butthead looks more like you in that picture. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 1:07pm - the_reverend ""] yeah.. there's some place that they do that.. china? [img] no... europe? [img] naw, that's not it.. australia? [img] nope. oh yeah, iran... way to want to be like the terrorists. [img] good thing you guys like the bible... [img] they do a lot of that in the bible. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 1:11pm - the_reverend ""] wanting to do something and doing something is what separates us from the animals. oh wait, we live in the US and do whatever the fuck we want. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 1:13pm - brian_dc ""] yeeeee haw nicely compiled |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 1:26pm - RustedAngel ""] hahahahahahah |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 1:30pm - BornSoVile ""] hungta‘bleed said:I definatly wasn't talking about the wobblies and the leftist labor movement groups and organizers of the early 20th century when I called the protesters 'faggo-leftist ACLU types. I'm talking about the modern, hard line, mentally deranged leftists who'll fight for abortion rights till their death but will hold a candle light vigil out side a prison when they execute rapists, murderers, and child molesters. All I have to say about the ACLU is that they supported NAMBLA pro bono (that means FOR FREE!!). You might remember the case, it stemmed off the conviction of two fags who subsribed to NAMBLA that raped and murdered a 10 year old. Anyone who supports the ACLU is a disgrace to this country. :pukeface: If you don't like America, then leave. |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 1:33pm - Messerschmitt ""] USA for USA! |
| ______________________________ [Dec 13,2005 1:47pm - BMR ""] BornSoVile said:hungta‘bleed said:I definatly wasn't talking about the wobblies and the leftist labor movement groups and organizers of the early 20th century when I called the protesters 'faggo-leftist ACLU types. I'm talking about the modern, hard line, mentally deranged leftists who'll fight for abortion rights till their death but will hold a candle light vigil out side a prison when they execute rapists, murderers, and child molesters. All I have to say about the ACLU is that they supported NAMBLA pro bono (that means FOR FREE!!). You might remember the case, it stemmed off the conviction of two fags who subsribed to NAMBLA that raped and murdered a 10 year old. Anyone who supports the ACLU is a disgrace to this country. :pukeface: If you don't like America, then leave. Trust me on this one man, that kid loves America more than just about anybody as do I. I don't like the direction this country is going, neither does he. He also doesn't say anything in there that isn't true, every bit of that is fact. To deny that a vast majority of the Left in this country is pro-abortion (the killing of a human being depending on your views) but can turn around and be against capital punishment is just stupid. This is how these people think, it's contradiction after contradiction. The ACLU, thats an entriely different story but it is a fact, they support an organization whose objective is to promote pedophilia and teach its members the "proper" way to molest a child, and also how to get away with it. To me, that's a pretty fucked up, yet this same organization's President is now a Justice of the Supreme Court. But to say that someone deson't like America based on the fact that they told the truth is just wrong. I fuckin love this place as much as anyone and so doesn't my far Right-Wing associate Mr. To Bleed. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 3:03pm - BornSoVile ""] Why does everyone obcess about that case so much? Maybe if the kids parents actually watched him instead of letting him play in the streets he wouldn't have been kidnapped. Shitting on the ACLU is dumb. Do you even know what it stands for? American Civil Liberties Union. Denouncing that = submitting to communism. This is America, land of the free. Rebpulicans are turning the stars and stripes into prison bars, they won't let you get that far. Thanks for supporting the downfall of liberty. Now move to Russia. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 13,2005 3:16pm - BMR ""] Wow guy, unfortunately you need to check your facts man. The ACLU is all about shitting all over you and making sure the scum of this country (drug addicts, pedophiles, illelgal immigrants) are protected, and Average Joe American has to deal with that. Any "civil liberties" union would never go to great lengths to help withhold the downfall of American culture that we are experiencing right now. This is America, we are free to do as we choose with the acceptance that our actions have consequences under the laws of the Consititution. You show me where it says that abortion is allowed under the constitution? You show me where it says it's OK to allow people who illegally enter this country the same rights as you and I as citizens? You show me where it's OK to allow some shit stain with to much time on his hands to argue that the words "under God" should not be used in the Pledge of Allegiance. Don't get me wrong I'm not religious in the least bit, but don't you think it's a sign of the times when people can win that fight, yet if they have a religious objection to abortion, they are chastized for having their particular view point. As far as the move to Russia remark, I don't know know how I could explain to you in words how much that infuriates me, I fuckin love this place with all my fucking heart guy, for you to say that is out of line. |
| _________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 3:20pm - paulll ""] VOTE ARNOLD DAT CAM. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 3:21pm - brian_dc ""] http://www.arnoldexposed.com |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 3:23pm - MorbidMike ""] All I have to say is fuck the ACLU they want to give full rights to the Man Boy fucking freaks whose motto is if they are 8 it's too late anyone who thinks that is cool being a pedophile of little boys I will fight fist to fist right now cause that is fucked. I will joke about many things cause I am DEATH METAL but when it comes to 40 yr old men fucking little boys I draw A very big broad line that I would love to see someone cross. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 3:31pm - dan nli ""] ArrowHead nli said:dan nli said:i think the main point is that its not that he is reformed and thats the reason he shouldnt die... the point is he became an actual advocate against the crimes he committed. That's called reform. Therefore the point IS that he reformed and that is why he shouldn't die. uhh no thats not what i meant. anyone can claim to be reformed but not anyone can actually show that they are reformed in a constructive way. i dont think anyone who claims to be reformed should be granted clemency, that would be completely retarded. but if you actually contribute something to society, than that would warrant clemency... |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 3:31pm - BornSoVile ""] BMR said:Wow guy, unfortunately you need to check your facts man. The ACLU is all about shitting all over you and making sure the scum of this country (drug addicts, pedophiles, illelgal immigrants) are protected, and Average Joe American has to deal with that. Any "civil liberties" union would never go to great lengths to help withhold the downfall of American culture that we are experiencing right now. This is America, we are free to do as we choose with the acceptance that our actions have consequences under the laws of the Consititution. You show me where it says that abortion is allowed under the constitution? You show me where it says it's OK to allow people who illegally enter this country the same rights as you and I as citizens? You show me where it's OK to allow some shit stain with to much time on his hands to argue that the words "under God" should not be used in the Pledge of Allegiance. Don't get me wrong I'm not religious in the least bit, but don't you think it's a sign of the times when people can win that fight, yet if they have a religious objection to abortion, they are chastized for having their particular view point. As far as the move to Russia remark, I don't know know how I could explain to you in words how much that infuriates me, I fuckin love this place with all my fucking heart guy, for you to say that is out of line. I worked for the fucking ACLU, don't lecture me on what they do. Stop listening to the conservative media. If your rant wasn't so jaded, I'd attempt to establish some facts but it's quite obvious that your lost. In your world without the ACLU you'd be shot for be a degenerate, it's not my fault you suck, so stop trying to proove otherwise. Why do conservatives feel the need to whine about everything they fuck up???? |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 3:37pm - BornSoVile ""] As far as the whole attempt to assimilate abortion and the death penalty...are you fucking serious? the pratice of civil liberties ensures that the INDIVIDUAL is represented as an INDIVIDUAL. If you had you're way, we'd all be the same, conformist society blind to any fashionable morally ethical code. Communism man, communism. |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 3:43pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Can anyone show me where it says in the Constitution that abortion is illegal? |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 3:43pm - Josh_Martin ""] If only all republicans were as dumb as the ones in this thread. The ACLU defends the U.S. constitution. They defend the 1st ammendment rights of anyone from NAMBLA to the American Nazi Party. (so much for your left wing conspiracy theories, but I guess you're too young to remember the Skokie case) Right now, the ACLU is one of the few things keeping this country from turning into the USSR. Anyone against them either hates the constitution or is just plain stupid. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 3:45pm - BornSoVile ""] HOW DO YOU LIKE DEM APPLES |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 3:48pm - Josh_Martin ""] BMR said:Trust me on this one man, that kid loves America more than just about anybody as do I. I don't like the direction this country is going, neither does he. He also doesn't say anything in there that isn't true, every bit of that is fact. To deny that a vast majority of the Left in this country is pro-abortion (the killing of a human being depending on your views) but can turn around and be against capital punishment is just stupid. This is how these people think, it's contradiction after contradiction. So you're equating a poverty stricken single mom choosing to end a pregnancy with the state sanctioned killing of a human being in a flawed justice system? You're a real credit to your side. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 3:50pm - Josh_Martin ""] Did BMR really just say the head of NAMBLA is a supreme court justice. Holy shit, I didn't think retardation was contagious. |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 3:54pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Josh_Martin said:BMR said:Trust me on this one man, that kid loves America more than just about anybody as do I. I don't like the direction this country is going, neither does he. He also doesn't say anything in there that isn't true, every bit of that is fact. To deny that a vast majority of the Left in this country is pro-abortion (the killing of a human being depending on your views) but can turn around and be against capital punishment is just stupid. This is how these people think, it's contradiction after contradiction. So you're equating a poverty stricken single mom choosing to end a pregnancy with the state sanctioned killing of a human being in a flawed justice system? You're a real credit to your side. Christ, Josh! Don't you know that the only women who get abortions are selfish sluts who don't want to deal with responsibility!? WOMEN ARE EVIL WE WENT OVER THIS BEFORE!!!! GOD!!!!! |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 4:19pm - jesse jackson ""] YOU ARE ALL A BUNCH OF WHINEY BITCHES SHUT UP |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 4:21pm - BornSoVile ""] hahhaha |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 4:23pm - hungta‘bleed ""] BornSoVile said:Why does everyone obcess about that case so much? Maybe if the kids parents actually watched him instead of letting him play in the streets he wouldn't have been kidnapped. Shitting on the ACLU is dumb. Do you even know what it stands for? American Civil Liberties Union. Denouncing that = submitting to communism. This is America, land of the free. . Now move to Russia. You're fucking so ignorant, and comepletely misinformed. The fucking fags that kidnapped him first stole his bike. They watched him wander around looking for it, then moved in for the kill and told the little kid "hey we know where your bike is"..the rest is history. If your gonna blame the parents for the actions of some selfish assfuckers, that just makes you an asshole. If you don't think that the ACLU is an organization that represents ONLY HARD LEFT CAUSES/GOALS/AIMS, then you my friend are viewing the world through the same Commie-Red rosie glasses that they are. You're right though, this is America, land of the Free.... But do you honestly think we should be free enough to be able to publish material about how to abduct and rape kids. NAMBLA articles describe quote "rape and escape", how to rape a kid and get away from it. If you think that our freedoms should extent to such a right, then obviously you must have a stake in the legalization child porn you fucking sicko. |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 4:33pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Ad Hominem is an awesome band, not so much an awesome tactic when you want to make a point. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 4:34pm - BornSoVile ""] Again, maybe if the parents watched the kid instead of letting him roam the fucking streets, this probably wouldn't have happened. I don't care if they robbed his bike and told him where it was, let me type it for you again, PARENTS SHOULDN'T LET 10 YEAR OLDS ROAM THE FUCKING CITY STREETS UNSUPERVISED. CLARIFY THIS STATEMENT, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE "If you don't think that the ACLU is an organization that represents ONLY HARD LEFT CAUSES/GOALS/AIMS, then you my friend are viewing the world through the same Commie-Red rosie glasses that they are." So, you're saying that conservatives are running the ACLU too, right? Yes, I honestly think that if this is America where absolute freedom reigns, people should legalize child porn. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 4:55pm - Josh_Martin ""] hungta‘bleed said: But do you honestly think we should be free enough to be able to publish material about how to abduct and rape kids. Yes. I want to be that free. No one can tell me what I can or can't read. Welcome to America asshole. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 4:56pm - scoracrasia ""] My mom says there are alot of black people in Korea. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 4:59pm - Josh_Martin ""] MorbidMike said:All I have to say is fuck the ACLU they want to give full rights to the Man Boy fucking freaks whose motto is if they are 8 it's too late anyone who thinks that is cool being a pedophile of little boys I will fight fist to fist right now cause that is fucked. I will joke about many things cause I am DEATH METAL but when it comes to 40 yr old men fucking little boys I draw A very big broad line that I would love to see someone cross. You = gay. You wouldn't fight anyone. Shut up. You are far from death metal. You seem pretty emo to me. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 5:41pm - diamond_dave ""] back to the original topic...i actually agree with this clown for once: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10284169/#051212a |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 6:03pm - infoterror ""] TOOKIE WAS A FUCKUP KILLING CHINESE PEOPLE "BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITE" WHAT AN IDIOT EUGENICS IN ACTION GOD BLESS GOV SHWARZENEGRO |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 6:45pm - Bradness nli ""] i hope all you pinko's have a loved one killed by one of these animals, maybe then you'll wise up |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 7:57pm - ArrowHead nli ""] BMR said:Wow guy, unfortunately you need to check your facts man. The ACLU is all about shitting all over you and making sure the scum of this country (drug addicts, pedophiles, illelgal immigrants) are protected, and Average Joe American has to deal with that. Any "civil liberties" union would never go to great lengths to help withhold the downfall of American culture that we are experiencing right now. This is America, we are free to do as we choose with the acceptance that our actions have consequences under the laws of the Consititution. You show me where it says that abortion is allowed under the constitution? You show me where it says it's OK to allow people who illegally enter this country the same rights as you and I as citizens? You show me where it's OK to allow some shit stain with to much time on his hands to argue that the words "under God" should not be used in the Pledge of Allegiance. Don't get me wrong I'm not religious in the least bit, but don't you think it's a sign of the times when people can win that fight, yet if they have a religious objection to abortion, they are chastized for having their particular view point. As far as the move to Russia remark, I don't know know how I could explain to you in words how much that infuriates me, I fuckin love this place with all my fucking heart guy, for you to say that is out of line. You're an idiot, and thats more than once you've made reference to abortion. According to your own arguments, we should be held accountable under the laws of the constitution. The constitution calls for seperation of law and religion. Furthermore, the constitution provides us freedom to chose and worship whatever faith we choose. Would you, then, care to tell me where in the hell your christian views on abortion are supported by the constitution? Without faith or church, it's just a fucking fetus. At this point, you should just go to hell. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 8:00pm - ArrowHead nli ""] Bradness nli said:i hope all you pinko's have a loved one killed by one of these animals, maybe then you'll wise up Actually, I'd much rather get rid of the animals altogether. Unfortunately, by setting such a standard of eye for an eye (which I already explained) we're just breeding MORE animals. I hope you right wingers have a loved one get euthanized for a crime they didn't commit sometime. Maybe then you'll wise up as well. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 8:02pm - ArrowHead nli ""] dan nli said: uhh no thats not what i meant. anyone can claim to be reformed but not anyone can actually show that they are reformed in a constructive way. i dont think anyone who claims to be reformed should be granted clemency, that would be completely retarded. but if you actually contribute something to society, than that would warrant clemency... And your point was that through his writings, he had contributed to society. Again! That IS reform! You're completely agreeing with what I've said, but you seem to refuse to label it correctly. Why? |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 8:08pm - DJ Death ""] So far, Mr. Martin is making the most sense! Though, the ACLU, be it as they may defend the constitution, but arent showing us "both sides". Racial Profiling illimination? Thats gay. Dismembering the patriot act? That is a step in the right direction, atleast for freedoms sake. Liberal Democrats and Stubborn Repulicans are trying to rape that sacred document, especially amendment number 1. I will add my two cents: Haha Tookie. You're dead.... NOW... Lets hope your death starts a race riot. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 8:16pm - hungta‘bleed ""] BornSoVile said: Yes, I honestly think that if this is America where absolute freedom reigns, people should legalize child porn. Enough said. That’s pretty fucked up man....honestly. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 8:21pm - ArrowHead nli ""] Child porn impinges on the freedom of the innocent childred who are usually forced to participate. It's exploitive, and imposing on them. We do NOT live in a country with ABSOLUTE freedom. That would be called anarchy. We live in a country where we are granted moderated freedom, where we are free to do as we will as long as it does not take away from the equal ability of others to do so as well. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 10:12pm - HailTheLeaf ""] BMR said: To deny that a vast majority of the Left in this country is pro-abortion (the killing of a human being depending on your views) but can turn around and be against capital punishment is just stupid. This is how these people think, it's contradiction after contradiction. Contradiction? like being pro-life and supporting the death penalty...or being pro-life and shooting a doctor? The ACLU, thats an entriely different story but it is a fact, they support an organization whose objective is to promote pedophilia and teach its members the "proper" way to molest a child, and also how to get away with it. To me, that's a pretty fucked up, yet this same organization's President is now a Justice of the Supreme Court. The ACLU fights to keep the freedoms and protections that our government tries to errode away every day, from free speech to medical marijuana to environmental laws. I'm a card carrying member bitches. |
| _______________________________ [Dec 13,2005 10:49pm - BMR ""] First and foremost, I have absolutely no religious affiliation what so ever. I don't believe in God, if in the slim chance I grace his presence I'm going to have an awful lot of questions to ask about why things are the way they are. Secondly, if you believe you that child porongraphy is an acceptable form of media then you my friend are just plain fucking retarded. You call me a communist, yet I'm the one sticking up for the interests of the citizens of this country? I'm not a Conservative, I'm not a Liberal, I'm sure as shit not a Republican. I'm a plain old American who goes to work everyday to py the fucking bills. I'm pissed about the fact that everyday I have to see some fucking Brazilian who over stayed his green card make a better life then I simply because he's illegal, these mother fuckers are more protected by the government then I am, and I was fucking born here!!! Unfortunately we live in such a politicaly correct world that these scum fuckers cab't be caled out for what they are. As far as abortion. the debat will never end, if you can show me in the Constitition where it says that it is legal then I'll believe you, until then I see it as it is. The fact that the same people will support the abortion of "just a fetus" but condemn the death penalty is just contradiction. It's OK to kill something that will eventually become a human being (if it isn't already) but it's not OK to kill a living breathing person. Come on now, what the fuck is that? As far poor ole Tookie, he got what he fucking deserved, you kill 4 people, you should be given a lot more than a lethal injection, I'm an addvicate for the reinstation of torture and suffering in the method of execution. Perhaps I'm just fucking crazy, regardless my opinion is my opinion, not any other member of my band's although I know some of them feel the same way. You got an issue with it, bring it up with me, I'm not that bad of a person and I'm always down for an intelligent, researched argument. I'd rather not catch heat from a bunch of people on an internet message board about it. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 11:00pm - Bradness ""] ArrowHead nli said:Bradness nli said:i hope all you pinko's have a loved one killed by one of these animals, maybe then you'll wise up Actually, I'd much rather get rid of the animals altogether. Unfortunately, by setting such a standard of eye for an eye (which I already explained) we're just breeding MORE animals. I hope you right wingers have a loved one get euthanized for a crime they didn't commit sometime. Maybe then you'll wise up as well. name. ONE NAME of a person that, without a doubt, was innocent. ONE NAME, with a link please. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 11:30pm - DomesticTerror ""] abortion is a personal decision. capital punishment is decided by a flawed system. no logical person can compare the two...it's apples and oranges, and the paradox/hypocrite angle is a ridiculous basis for a very weak argument. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 11:43pm - DomesticTerror ""] Bradness said: name. ONE NAME of a person that, without a doubt, was innocent. ONE NAME, with a link please. http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2005/11/texas_executed_.html there ya go. it was in the herald, too. I heard about it on weei. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 13,2005 11:50pm - BornSoVile ""] BMR said:First and foremost, I have absolutely no religious affiliation what so ever. I don't believe in God, if in the slim chance I grace his presence I'm going to have an awful lot of questions to ask about why things are the way they are. Secondly, if you believe you that child porongraphy is an acceptable form of media then you my friend are just plain fucking retarded. You call me a communist, yet I'm the one sticking up for the interests of the citizens of this country? I'm not a Conservative, I'm not a Liberal, I'm sure as shit not a Republican. I'm a plain old American who goes to work everyday to py the fucking bills. I'm pissed about the fact that everyday I have to see some fucking Brazilian who over stayed his green card make a better life then I simply because he's illegal, these mother fuckers are more protected by the government then I am, and I was fucking born here!!! Unfortunately we live in such a politicaly correct world that these scum fuckers cab't be caled out for what they are. As far as abortion. the debat will never end, if you can show me in the Constitition where it says that it is legal then I'll believe you, until then I see it as it is. The fact that the same people will support the abortion of "just a fetus" but condemn the death penalty is just contradiction. It's OK to kill something that will eventually become a human being (if it isn't already) but it's not OK to kill a living breathing person. Come on now, what the fuck is that? As far poor ole Tookie, he got what he fucking deserved, you kill 4 people, you should be given a lot more than a lethal injection, I'm an addvicate for the reinstation of torture and suffering in the method of execution. Perhaps I'm just fucking crazy, regardless my opinion is my opinion, not any other member of my band's although I know some of them feel the same way. You got an issue with it, bring it up with me, I'm not that bad of a person and I'm always down for an intelligent, researched argument. I'd rather not catch heat from a bunch of people on an internet message board about it. your post is too long winded and twisted, I have nothing worth while to contribute to the arguement cause you've lost me again. next time don't morph the topic into an assault on the ACLU, it's unamerican. Conservative paranoia seems to be everywhere these days, maybe they know more than half of the country is on to them. |
| _______________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 12:25am - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Where in the Constitution does it say that abortion is illegal? |
| _______________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 12:30am - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Actually nobody needs to answer my question because I already know that there is nothing for or against abortion in the Constitution because the Constitution is not some divine unchanging object. It was meant to be interpreted and changed carefully throughout our nation's history. That's why every high school Civics class hammers away at the whole "The Constitution:It's A Living Document!" concept. And if you're blaming immigrants for your problems here's a solution, work harder, that's how the illegals get it done. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 12:45am - BornSoVile ""] BobNOMAAMRooney nli said: And if you're blaming immigrants for your problems here's a solution, work harder, that's how the illegals get it done. exactly. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 12:50am - DomesticTerror ""] LIFE IS SACRED!!!! U.S. MILITARY DEATHS IN IRAQ: 2150 U.S. MILITARY WOUNDED IN IRAQ: 15881 IRAQI CIVILIAN DEATHS (MINIMUM): 27383 we're a thousand days in... |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 12:56am - BornSoVile ""] I heard the ACLU fabricated those numbers and weaved it into the liberal media so they could manipulate the people into thinking that NAMBLA is the biggest threat to our civilization since the civil rights movement. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 1:04am - dan NLI ""] ArrowHead nli said:dan nli said: uhh no thats not what i meant. anyone can claim to be reformed but not anyone can actually show that they are reformed in a constructive way. i dont think anyone who claims to be reformed should be granted clemency, that would be completely retarded. but if you actually contribute something to society, than that would warrant clemency... And your point was that through his writings, he had contributed to society. Again! That IS reform! You're completely agreeing with what I've said, but you seem to refuse to label it correctly. Why? jesus fucking christ. READING COMPREHENSION. i didnt say its not reform you fucking jackass. i said the reason for clemency should not be the act of reform in itself, because if that was the case then any asshole who finds jesus should be granted. but not every asshole who "finds jesus" or whatever goes on and actually contributes something to society because a. they are not truly reformed b. they lack the ability c. they are in jail and its pretty fucking hard to reach the outside world in such a way when you are interred. and when you actually can do this. you not only have shown that you are reformed but you actually show compelling evidence as to WHY you DESERVE clemency. what i was trying to say wasnt that difficult to understand, retard. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 2:08am - BornSoVile ""] IT'S TOO LATE!!! HE'S DEAD!!!!!! |
| __________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 2:10am - brian_dc ""] and now we have to figure out who to blame..the man? the system? society? blame game...commence. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 2:11am - BornSoVile ""] CARRY ON!!!! |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 5:17am - infoterror ""] RUBEN CANTU WAS NO SAINT OH WELL, DEATH COMES 7 BILLION PEOPLE NOW LESS ONE MORE TREES PRAISE GOD |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 8:06am - hungta‘bleed ""] Who made the ACLU the 4th branch of government? Since when were they given such a prestigious standing in American politics? Last I checked they were nothing more than an INTEREST GROUP, therefor, they are about as credible as the NAACP, PFAW, Christian Coalition, etc... To say that attacking the ACLU is unAmerican is like saying attacking the Christian Coalition is unAmerican. You just keep drinking the kool aid and continue to believe that the UNAmerican Civil Liberties Union represents the backbone of American values. |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 8:07am - Messerschmitt ""] did someone say fried chicken? |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 10:17am - Christina ""] I've read just about every post here and this is the trend that I noticed: Bornsovile has used absolutely NO FACTS at all to back up one thing that he posted. Instead, he chose the easy way out of the argument and decided to spew condescending remarks to all of the "Conservatives" that posted here, who are actually using facts to back up what they are writing and who are making sense. I absolutely agree with hungtableed, who seems to really know an awful lot about what he is writing about. To say that not supporting the ACLU is unAmerican is simpy preposterous. They are simply an INTEREST GROUP. If you want to know what the ACLU really supports, here are just a few FACTUAL examples (it's apparent that the ACLU is a left-wing interest group): Removing nativity scenes from public property Banning songs such as Silent Night from schools Refusing to allow students to write about the Christian aspect of Christmas in school projects Renaming Christmas break Winter break Refusing to allow a city sponsored Christmas parade to be called a Christmas parade Not allowing a Christmas tree in a public school Renaming a Christmas tree displayed on public property a Holiday tree In addition to their war on Christmas, the ACLU is all about: Suing states to force them to legalize homosexual marriage Forcing libraries to remove porn filters from their computers Suing the Boy Scouts to force them to accept homosexuals as scout leaders Helping to legalize child pornography (this is fucked up, and if you support this cause then I hope you have a son someday that gets relentlessly sodomized and gutted, then tell me how much you support this cause you sick fuck) Legalizing live sex acts in bars in Oregon Protecting the North American Man Boy Love Association, whose motto is "sex by eight or it is too late" Censoring student led prayer at graduation Removing "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance Removing "In God We Trust" on our currency |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 10:21am - Joe/NotCommon ""] That picture of the iranian woman being buried alive is so fucking funny. Who cares if they executed the guy, his killing days were over so he no longer served a purpose to me. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 10:29am - Christina ""] One more thing that I noticed, almost everyone here seems to assume that just because someone is a Conservative or is simply against abortion that automatically means that they are a Christian. What a ludicrous way of thinking. That is like me saying that every Liberal is a homosexual. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 10:32am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Every liberal is a homosexual. Christina, I know you are ashamed of all the black cock you consumed in college, but what happens in the dorms stays in the dorms...your parents won't find out so you can relax. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 10:32am - Messerschmitt ""] ooof |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 10:48am - anonymous ""] Joe/NotCommon said:Every liberal is a homosexual. Christina, I know you are ashamed of all the black cock you consumed in college, but what happens in the dorms stays in the dorms...your parents won't find out so you can relax. It was predictable that you weren't going to have a valid rebuttal, but rather resort to an absurd and un-related remark. I know that this is also un-related, but I’m just so curious, Joe, whatever happened to Not Common records? |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 10:49am - Christina ""] The previous post was not meant to be anonymous, I typed it. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 11:41am - HailTheLeaf ""] Christina said:If you want to know what the ACLU really supports, here are just a few FACTUAL examples (it's apparent that the ACLU is a left-wing interest group): Removing nativity scenes from public property Banning songs such as Silent Night from schools Refusing to allow students to write about the Christian aspect of Christmas in school projects Renaming Christmas break Winter break Refusing to allow a city sponsored Christmas parade to be called a Christmas parade Not allowing a Christmas tree in a public school Renaming a Christmas tree displayed on public property a Holiday tree Separation of church and state...it's about bloody time someone fought for it. I think chirstians dominate enough in this country, now they bitch about christmas? In addition to their war on Christmas, the ACLU is all about: Suing states to force them to legalize homosexual marriage Forcing libraries to remove porn filters from their computers Suing the Boy Scouts to force them to accept homosexuals as scout leaders Helping to legalize child pornography (this is fucked up, and if you support this cause then I hope you have a son someday that gets relentlessly sodomized and gutted, then tell me how much you support this cause you sick fuck) Legalizing live sex acts in bars in Oregon Protecting the North American Man Boy Love Association, whose motto is "sex by eight or it is too late" Censoring student led prayer at graduation Removing "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance Removing "In God We Trust" on our currency Wow, maybe if the circumstances surrounding the ACLU's protection of NAMBLA were revealed here it would completely change what you're trying to say... http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200402270920.asp You forgot a few other things the ACLU fights against, like: The Patriot Act that “Intelligent Design” crap they want to teach in our public schools a federal abortion ban torture FBI spying on religious and political groups |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 11:44am - HailTheLeaf ""] wow, I just noticed how many of those things were South Park episodes... |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 12:12pm - HailTheLeaf ""] Sure, I think NAMBLA are a bunch of disgusting pervs, right up there with the Catholic priests who molest little boys, only they don't try to hide it. tHowever, to blame them for a murder commited by 2 sickos is retarded. |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 12:16pm - the_reverend ""] I keep thinking this is about ted williams |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 12:19pm - hungta‘bleed ""] Freedom of Speech is not absolute, and you should know that. For instance, you cannot yell 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre. Publishing material that advocates and encourages that having sex with kids is O.K. is dangerous, and in every sense should be banned. So to say that the ACLU pigs stood up for NAMBLA because of freedom of speech, you are just are retarded as they. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 12:20pm - brian_dc ""] tookie is dead. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 12:22pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] anonymous said:Joe/NotCommon said:Every liberal is a homosexual. Christina, I know you are ashamed of all the black cock you consumed in college, but what happens in the dorms stays in the dorms...your parents won't find out so you can relax. It was predictable that you weren't going to have a valid rebuttal, but rather resort to an absurd and un-related remark. I know that this is also un-related, but I’m just so curious, Joe, whatever happened to Not Common records? Absurd and unrelated is my creed, also I didn't read any posts in this thread. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 12:40pm - Josh_Martin ""] hungta‘bleed said:Freedom of Speech is not absolute, and you should know that. For instance, you cannot yell 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre. Publishing material that advocates and encourages that having sex with kids is O.K. is dangerous, and in every sense should be banned. So to say that the ACLU pigs stood up for NAMBLA because of freedom of speech, you are just are retarded as they. You're absolutely right. The ACLU supports child rape. You're totally on to them. I don't know what they were thinking, trying to pull a fast one like passing off the legalization of kid fuckery as defending the 1st ammendment, when there's a genius like you out there to stop them. In fact, I'm getting blown by a 6 year old as I type this. |
| _______________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 12:47pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Christina said:Helping to legalize child pornography (this is fucked up, and if you support this cause then I hope you have a son someday that gets relentlessly sodomized and gutted, then tell me how much you support this cause you sick fuck) Wishing for someone's unborn child to be raped and gutted isn't exactly the best way of showing that you're for protecting children now is it? Seriously the next time you decide you want to make a point on an internet message board why don't you try not to involve the totally unrelated and bizzare fixation on the physical and sexual abuse of children. This started out as a discussion on Tookie Williams, A GROWN MAN with nothing to do with NAMBLA, until hungtableed tried to poison the well and accuse the ACLU of supporting child pornography. Back on track, I believe that the death penalty is wrong because I do not think a state which derives its power from the people has the right to kill those same people. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 12:57pm - HailTheLeaf ""] hungta‘bleed said:Freedom of Speech is not absolute, and you should know that. For instance, you cannot yell 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre. Publishing material that advocates and encourages that having sex with kids is O.K. is dangerous, and in every sense should be banned. So to say that the ACLU pigs stood up for NAMBLA because of freedom of speech, you are just are retarded as they. Missing the point entirely...the case was about a child being murdered, not freedom of speech. Despite NAMBLA being sick fuck-tards, their website didn't make 2 people murder a little boy. |
| _______________________________ [Dec 14,2005 1:08pm - Hoser ""] You all make my ass itch. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 1:09pm - HailTheLeaf ""] I actually like where Joe is taking the topic... |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 1:21pm - hungta‘bleed ""] I take pride in the mess I made here. On a message board filled with opinionated assholes (I'd be the first to admit that I fall in that category as well) all it takes is one 'controversial' statement to get the fucking ball rolling. Look at all the fun we've been having.......... |
| ______________________________ [Dec 14,2005 1:26pm - BSV ""] Christina said:I've read just about every post here and this is the trend that I noticed: Bornsovile has used absolutely NO FACTS at all to back up one thing that he posted. Instead, he chose the easy way out of the argument and decided to spew condescending remarks to all of the "Conservatives" that posted here, who are actually using facts to back up what they are writing and who are making sense. I absolutely agree with hungtableed, who seems to really know an awful lot about what he is writing about. To say that not supporting the ACLU is unAmerican is simpy preposterous. They are simply an INTEREST GROUP. If you want to know what the ACLU really supports, here are just a few FACTUAL examples (it's apparent that the ACLU is a left-wing interest group): Removing nativity scenes from public property Banning songs such as Silent Night from schools Refusing to allow students to write about the Christian aspect of Christmas in school projects Renaming Christmas break Winter break Refusing to allow a city sponsored Christmas parade to be called a Christmas parade Not allowing a Christmas tree in a public school Renaming a Christmas tree displayed on public property a Holiday tree In addition to their war on Christmas, the ACLU is all about: Suing states to force them to legalize homosexual marriage Forcing libraries to remove porn filters from their computers Suing the Boy Scouts to force them to accept homosexuals as scout leaders Helping to legalize child pornography (this is fucked up, and if you support this cause then I hope you have a son someday that gets relentlessly sodomized and gutted, then tell me how much you support this cause you sick fuck) Legalizing live sex acts in bars in Oregon Protecting the North American Man Boy Love Association, whose motto is "sex by eight or it is too late" Censoring student led prayer at graduation Removing "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance Removing "In God We Trust" on our currency I'd tell you to put this in the Conservative Fact Corner thread but since it does a great disservice to your argument, you better not, you already look pretty stupid. What are you the fucking O'Reilly factor? What another lame attempt to slander and smear me, I love all the reverse psychology "bsv is mean and ignorant and condesending", cry a fucking river build a bridge and get over it and tell your hungtobleed buddy to toughen up and quit the whining. The best part is that you've prooved my point about how the ACLU fights to preserve freedoms along with abolishing restrictions and injustices that are as old and out dated as the year 1775. Thanks for listing all those facts and then spinning it off like as if it's another liberal conspracy designed to overthrow christian values or whatever, we should all feel so threatened by the wrath of the ACLU, them and their pro-constitutional representation of liberty is a massive threat to this system. Don't you realize you're essentially protesting the logical reasoning of the foundation of this country? Smooth, real smooth, I hope that isn't too ignorant and condesending for you. Yeah it's a fucking interest group, cause more than half of the fucking country is INTERESTED in being represented within the government, and guess what it's only getting worse! In the future christians and whites will be the minority, do you really expect a nation to adhere to an outdated code of whatever that is as foreign to them as the idea of us submitting to instant totalitarian mexican rule? try that on for a fucking scenario. TOUGH SHIT, THIS IS AMERICA, THAT IS ALLOWED, IF YOU DON'T LIKE FUCKING LEAVE. The beauty of liberalism is that it promotes the will to power, to seize the day, to be all you can be. That's what makes it different than conservatism. Go ahead spin the olde "how can you say that, it's so ignorant" fucking look it up in the fucking dictionary, or am I gona have to do all the work for you???? |
| ______________________________ [Dec 14,2005 1:28pm - BSV ""] hungta‘bleed said:I take pride in the mess I made here. On a message board filled with opinionated assholes (I'd be the first to admit that I fall in that category as well) all it takes is one 'controversial' statement to get the fucking ball rolling. Look at all the fun we've been having.......... Do you take pride in stimulating a bombardment of enlightenment or do you do it cause you want to say immature things just to piss people off? |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 1:35pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] hungta‘bleed said:I take pride in the mess I made here. On a message board filled with opinionated assholes (I'd be the first to admit that I fall in that category as well) all it takes is one 'controversial' statement to get the fucking ball rolling. Look at all the fun we've been having.......... Don't act like you planned on making this mess to get out of the whole arguement. It's clear from your statements earlier in this thread that you were talking out of your ass and just being a reactionary retard. You've failed to make any points and you haven't "stuck it to those liberal gaywads! OHOHOHOHO!" by pulling the whole "I just said it to stir things up" act. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 2:27pm - hungta‘bleed ""] BobNOMAAMRooney nli said Don't act like you planned on making this mess to get out of the whole arguement. It's clear from your statements earlier in this thread that you were talking out of your ass and just being a reactionary retard. You've failed to make any points and you haven't "stuck it to those liberal gaywads! OHOHOHOHO!" by pulling the whole "I just said it to stir things up" act.>> What the fuck are you talking about? When did I say anything about 'trying to get out of the whole argument'? I'll defend my political position all day, just like everyone of you who care enough to inform themselves of the issues we face. I made the first statement about this and I included facts about why I detest the ACLU, it's idiots like you who were the 'reactionary retards' who responded by telling me that I should move to Russia, rather than an educated rebuttal. Show me where I can learn of all the knowledgeable points you made on this issue... |
| ______________________________ [Dec 14,2005 2:28pm - BSV ""] that was such a weak cop out, fucking convservatives to scared/retarded to finish the bullshit they start. The best is that everyone except his girlfriend pratically said he was wrong, and he still thinks he's right. and I'M THE IGNORANT ONE???? PUT ANOTHER POINT ON THE BOARD! |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 2:49pm - hungta‘bleed ""] First of all, I didn't cop out on shit, so fuck you. I'll argue my point of view anyday. If you want to keep insisting that I offered no facts to my arguement, back up a little and read what I had written. Where are all your facts, buddy? Aside from warm shit, you havn't offered one splinter of fact to back up your claim other than by stating the typical kool-aid drinkers responce that the 'ACLU protects our rights' |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 2:54pm - hungta‘bleed ""] Secondly, in this matter...no one will be considered right or wrong, these are our opinions. The same of which are argued everyday in every form of media we have access to. It is a never ending cycle. You think you're right, and I'll always think I'm right. Anything you say, or anyone says on a non-political message will never convince me that my views are wrong. Just as I would expect that would not change thier beliefs on my opinions that I express. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 14,2005 2:55pm - BSV ""] hungta‘bleed said:First of all, I didn't cop out on shit, so fuck you. I'll argue my point of view anyday. If you want to keep insisting that I offered no facts to my arguement, back up a little and read what I had written. Where are all your facts, buddy? Aside from warm shit, you havn't offered one splinter of fact to back up your claim other than by stating the typical kool-aid drinkers responce that the 'ACLU protects our rights' hey einstein, read my fucking post to your girlfriend, she posted all the facts about the ACLU, unfortunately for you they prooved everyone here right. what else do you want facts on? work on your conviction better. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 14,2005 2:56pm - BSV ""] hungta‘bleed said:Secondly, in this matter...no one will be considered right or wrong, these are our opinions. The same of which are argued everyday in every form of media we have access to. It is a never ending cycle. You think you're right, and I'll always think I'm right. Anything you say, or anyone says on a non-political message will never convince me that my views are wrong. Just as I would expect that would not change thier beliefs on my opinions that I express. dualism is a bitch. next time don't start a fire you can't put out. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 3:04pm - hungta‘bleed ""] The point that is attempted to be conveyed in stating that the ACLU attacks religion is that we as citizens are protected with a 'freedom of religion', not a 'freedom from religion'. The fact that the ACLU has crosses torn off of war memorials under the guise of seperation of church and state is a crock of shitty cum. Another great action by the ACLU was when their NY branch sued the state to have a billboard depicting Osama bin Laden with a target on his head to be removed. It was quote "offensive to muslims". The ACLU are at the spearhead of the p.c. movement that is destroying the U.S. Political correctness is fucking gay and is getting out of control. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 3:07pm - Christina ""] BobNOMAAMRooney nli said: Wishing for someone's unborn child to be raped and gutted isn't exactly the best way of showing that you're for protecting children now is it? You're obviously missing my point, either that or you know what I meant, but just want to argue with me. What I meant by typing that is you (or whomever supports child pornography) may be all for child pornography right now because it doesn't directly effect your life, but if you have a child someday who gets raped by some sick fuck, are you still going to support child pornography? The answer is obvious. Therefore, if your child getting raped is what it will take for you to be able to comprehend how horrendous child pornography is, then I hope it happens to your kid. BobNOMAAMRooney nli said: Seriously the next time you decide you want to make a point on an internet message board why don't you try not to involve the totally unrelated and bizzare fixation on the physical and sexual abuse of children. Well, seriously, the next time you decide you want to make a point on an internet message board why don't you try reading all of the posts to find out who initially introduced the topic before accusing me of bringing this into discussion. You sound like a dolt. BobNOMAAMRooney nli said: This started out as a discussion on Tookie Williams, A GROWN MAN with nothing to do with NAMBLA, until hungtableed tried to poison the well and accuse the ACLU of supporting child pornography. OK, it’s now obvious to me that you’re an ignoramus and you didn’t even read my initial post. “Accuse the ACLU of supporting child pornography.” Why don’t you do some research on the ACLU and the causes that they support, because I’ve certainly done plenty of research on my own, especially during my first few years of college for Composition and Political Science courses. It is a fact not an accusation that the ACLU wants to legalize child pornography. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 3:08pm - hungta‘bleed ""] You lean to the Left, I lean to the Right. The only reason why I cannot extiguish this upheaval is simply because my point of view is obviosly out numbered here. You'd be a weak minded fool if you would allow someone's point of view that was expressed over a message board to change your beliefs. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 3:15pm - ArrowHead nli ""] dan NLI said: jesus fucking christ. READING COMPREHENSION. i didnt say its not reform you fucking jackass. i said the reason for clemency should not be the act of reform in itself, because if that was the case then any asshole who finds jesus should be granted. Again, you don't get it. Reform does not mean finding jesus. That's "reborn". Reform is exactly the argument you've been making. Go look the word up. You said in the first post I quoted that it's not about reform. Then proceded to say that instead of reform people should have to prove they are no longer a threat, and make valid attempts to contribute to society. That's reform dude, you're arguing with yourself over a word you don't understand. Who's the retard? |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 3:15pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] So the death penalty, arguements for and against it. I want to hear things that go beyond "I THINK THOSE ANIMALS SHOULD ALL BE KILLED!!!!!!!!! IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT I WILL FUCKING PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE AND I HOPE SOMEONE IN YOUR FAMILY GETS KILLED SO YOU CAN SEE HOW IT FEELS!" Here's an issue I have with the death penalty, one of the statements that gets thrown around after an execution is "Finally the victim's family has closure" Do statements such as that imply that our justice system does not work unless someone ends up dead for their crime? Why is the state allowed to murder the felon when we do not allow family members of the victim to kill the murderer out of vengeance? You could argue that family members would kill without looking at all the facts and murder whoever they thought was the most likely suspect because humans are flawed. But aren't many of the politicians who support the death penalty motivated by their own passions and base desire for power with the importance they place on being tough on crime to win votes? |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 3:20pm - the_reverend ""] my head hurts to much to read this. I just think of all the people out there who are executed and then found innocent a year later. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 3:22pm - hungta‘bleed ""] BobNOMAAMRooney nli said: But aren't many of the politicians who support the death penalty motivated by their own passions and base desire for power with the importance they place on being tough on crime to win votes? >> I agree with you here. |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 3:23pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Christina said:BobNOMAAMRooney nli said: Wishing for someone's unborn child to be raped and gutted isn't exactly the best way of showing that you're for protecting children now is it? You're obviously missing my point, either that or you know what I meant, but just want to argue with me. What I meant by typing that is you (or whomever supports child pornography) may be all for child pornography right now because it doesn't directly effect your life, but if you have a child someday who gets raped by some sick fuck, are you still going to support child pornography? The answer is obvious. Therefore, if your child getting raped is what it will take for you to be able to comprehend how horrendous child pornography is, then I hope it happens to your kid. Nope I'm not missing your point, you outright said that if someone supports the ACLU they fully support child pornography and then you wished rape and murder on the child of ACLU supporters. In reality you can support some of the work an organization does while being completely disgusted by their other work. It's part of the compromise of having free speech. Everyone has the right to use their voice no matter how vile they are and if you happen to disagree with them its your right to shout them down. Frankly I'm amazed that people are getting so worked up about rape and murder on this board considering the lyrics of EVERY GOREGRIND BAND EVER. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 3:23pm - Christina ""] BSV said:Christina said:I've read just about every post here and this is the trend that I noticed: Bornsovile has used absolutely NO FACTS at all to back up one thing that he posted. Instead, he chose the easy way out of the argument and decided to spew condescending remarks to all of the "Conservatives" that posted here, who are actually using facts to back up what they are writing and who are making sense. I absolutely agree with hungtableed, who seems to really know an awful lot about what he is writing about. To say that not supporting the ACLU is unAmerican is simpy preposterous. They are simply an INTEREST GROUP. If you want to know what the ACLU really supports, here are just a few FACTUAL examples (it's apparent that the ACLU is a left-wing interest group): Removing nativity scenes from public property Banning songs such as Silent Night from schools Refusing to allow students to write about the Christian aspect of Christmas in school projects Renaming Christmas break Winter break Refusing to allow a city sponsored Christmas parade to be called a Christmas parade Not allowing a Christmas tree in a public school Renaming a Christmas tree displayed on public property a Holiday tree In addition to their war on Christmas, the ACLU is all about: Suing states to force them to legalize homosexual marriage Forcing libraries to remove porn filters from their computers Suing the Boy Scouts to force them to accept homosexuals as scout leaders Helping to legalize child pornography (this is fucked up, and if you support this cause then I hope you have a son someday that gets relentlessly sodomized and gutted, then tell me how much you support this cause you sick fuck) Legalizing live sex acts in bars in Oregon Protecting the North American Man Boy Love Association, whose motto is "sex by eight or it is too late" Censoring student led prayer at graduation Removing "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance Removing "In God We Trust" on our currency I'd tell you to put this in the Conservative Fact Corner thread but since it does a great disservice to your argument, you better not, you already look pretty stupid. What are you the fucking O'Reilly factor? What another lame attempt to slander and smear me, I love all the reverse psychology "bsv is mean and ignorant and condesending", cry a fucking river build a bridge and get over it and tell your hungtobleed buddy to toughen up and quit the whining. The best part is that you've prooved my point about how the ACLU fights to preserve freedoms along with abolishing restrictions and injustices that are as old and out dated as the year 1775. Thanks for listing all those facts and then spinning it off like as if it's another liberal conspracy designed to overthrow christian values or whatever, we should all feel so threatened by the wrath of the ACLU, them and their pro-constitutional representation of liberty is a massive threat to this system. Don't you realize you're essentially protesting the logical reasoning of the foundation of this country? Smooth, real smooth, I hope that isn't too ignorant and condesending for you. Yeah it's a fucking interest group, cause more than half of the fucking country is INTERESTED in being represented within the government, and guess what it's only getting worse! In the future christians and whites will be the minority, do you really expect a nation to adhere to an outdated code of whatever that is as foreign to them as the idea of us submitting to instant totalitarian mexican rule? try that on for a fucking scenario. TOUGH SHIT, THIS IS AMERICA, THAT IS ALLOWED, IF YOU DON'T LIKE FUCKING LEAVE. The beauty of liberalism is that it promotes the will to power, to seize the day, to be all you can be. That's what makes it different than conservatism. Go ahead spin the olde "how can you say that, it's so ignorant" fucking look it up in the fucking dictionary, or am I gona have to do all the work for you???? I typed not one slanderous or smearing remark about you, nor did I call you mean or ignorant, so chill the fuck out and re-read what I typed before you cry and make shit up. Unless you actually know what you’re talking about, shut the fuck up. I made not one complaint about America or not liking America so honestly, you sound like a fucking dunce by inferring that I meant anything like that. I absolutely love this country and will never live anywhere else, and just because I don’t agree with a left-wing interest group doesn’t make me unAmerican or mean that I need to leave the country. That is illogical thinking. There seemed to be confusion as to what causes the ACLU supports and so I submitted factual causes that they do support. All I typed about you is that you haven’t used one fact to back up anything that you typed, and rather than having a coherent retort, you decided to name call and avoid the facts. No one is whining about anything, except for you in this response to my first post. We are all simply overly-opinionated people who just so happen to have very different opinions. Your elite attitude fucking sucks. |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 3:24pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] Child molestation rules. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 3:27pm - succubus ""] just wanted to add that the only comment i made in here was a joke...this thread turned quite serious |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 3:29pm - Josh_Martin ""] Christina said: It is a fact not an accusation that the ACLU wants to legalize child pornography. Could you post a link or something to support that statement please? |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 3:30pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] Better yet, can you post a link of naked 15 year old girls? |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 3:52pm - ArrowHead nli ""] Joe/NotCommon said:Better yet, can you post a link of naked 15 year old girls? I can. www.myspace.com |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 4:38pm - Christina ""] Josh_Martin said:Christina said: It is a fact not an accusation that the ACLU wants to legalize child pornography. Could you post a link or something to support that statement please? Read up on this case that the ACLU lost: New York v. Ferber, 458 U.S. 747. “The ACLU's position is this: criminalize the production but legalize the sale and distribution of child pornography. This is the kind of lawyerly distinction that no one on the Supreme Court found convincing. And with good reason: as long as a free market in child pornography exists, there will always be some producers willing to risk prosecution. Beyond this, there is also the matter of how the sale of child pornography relates either to free speech or the ends of good government. But most important, the central issue is whether a free society should legalize transactions that involve the wholesale sexploitation of children for profit. The ACLU objects to the idea that porn movie producers be required to maintain records of ages of its performers; this would be “a gross violation of privacy." |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 4:51pm - RustedAngel ""] let's talk about things that are way better than this debate [img][img] actually, everything is better than this thread. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 5:01pm - BornSoVile ""] Christina said: Your elite attitude fucking sucks. Hey, I'm not that one that's the jesus freak. I'm the the typical liberal who stands up for the little guy. You get pissed at me for calling you unamerican because you want to restrict an individuals freedom, well tough shit then. You can call me all the names you want, it won't change the fact that you believe in repressing the citizens of the nation under a mandate of god (among other things) and that pisses me off. Me calling you unAmerican and Communist is a compliment towards your blasphemy within your arguement. more later I gotta go to pratice.... |
| ______________________________ [Dec 14,2005 5:10pm - DOM ""] Hey guys look, Abe Lincoln. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 5:11pm - Josh_Martin ""] Christina said:Josh_Martin said:Christina said: It is a fact not an accusation that the ACLU wants to legalize child pornography. Could you post a link or something to support that statement please? Read up on this case that the ACLU lost: New York v. Ferber, 458 U.S. 747. “The ACLU's position is this: criminalize the production but legalize the sale and distribution of child pornography. This is the kind of lawyerly distinction that no one on the Supreme Court found convincing. And with good reason: as long as a free market in child pornography exists, there will always be some producers willing to risk prosecution. Beyond this, there is also the matter of how the sale of child pornography relates either to free speech or the ends of good government. But most important, the central issue is whether a free society should legalize transactions that involve the wholesale sexploitation of children for profit. The ACLU objects to the idea that porn movie producers be required to maintain records of ages of its performers; this would be “a gross violation of privacy." Please post the link correctly. It doesn't work and more than one paragraph is needed to understand the case. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 6:26pm - DomesticTerror ""] I love how "non-liberals" (is that good enough?) think that there is nothing more to being American than being white and showing up to a full time job... |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 6:32pm - DomesticTerror ""] http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/protest/11289prs20000831.html aclu press release on why we defended Nambla |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 6:40pm - DomesticTerror ""] Josh_Martin said:Christina said:Josh_Martin said:Christina said: It is a fact not an accusation that the ACLU wants to legalize child pornography. Could you post a link or something to support that statement please? Read up on this case that the ACLU lost: New York v. Ferber, 458 U.S. 747. “The ACLU's position is this: criminalize the production but legalize the sale and distribution of child pornography. This is the kind of lawyerly distinction that no one on the Supreme Court found convincing. And with good reason: as long as a free market in child pornography exists, there will always be some producers willing to risk prosecution. Beyond this, there is also the matter of how the sale of child pornography relates either to free speech or the ends of good government. But most important, the central issue is whether a free society should legalize transactions that involve the wholesale sexploitation of children for profit. The ACLU objects to the idea that porn movie producers be required to maintain records of ages of its performers; this would be “a gross violation of privacy." Please post the link correctly. It doesn't work and more than one paragraph is needed to understand the case. yes, please. I would love to see the source. also, since we're throwing the word "elitist" around... sitting in a classroom and reading assigned publications could mean that you are well informed. It could also mean that you are easily lead. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 7:10pm - dan nli ""] ArrowHead nli said:dan NLI said: jesus fucking christ. READING COMPREHENSION. i didnt say its not reform you fucking jackass. i said the reason for clemency should not be the act of reform in itself, because if that was the case then any asshole who finds jesus should be granted. Again, you don't get it. Reform does not mean finding jesus. That's "reborn". Reform is exactly the argument you've been making. Go look the word up. You said in the first post I quoted that it's not about reform. Then proceded to say that instead of reform people should have to prove they are no longer a threat, and make valid attempts to contribute to society. That's reform dude, you're arguing with yourself over a word you don't understand. Who's the retard? uhhh no you fuckwit. you are trying to drag me into an argument over semantics. do you know anything about what actually warrants clemency? im done replying because its the lowest common denominator that starts arguments over semantics and tells people who have repeatedly explained themself that they dont know what they are talking about. you are really smart on the internet, eh? |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 7:26pm - hungta‘bleed ""] Josh Martin: All you have to do is Google 'New York v. Ferber, 458 U.S. 747' You'll get a multitude of sites that explain the case. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 8:15pm - ArrowHead nli ""] dan nli said: uhhh no you fuckwit. you are trying to drag me into an argument over semantics. do you know anything about what actually warrants clemency? im done replying because its the lowest common denominator that starts arguments over semantics and tells people who have repeatedly explained themself that they dont know what they are talking about. you are really smart on the internet, eh? You're really annoying the hell out of me. YOU started an argument about semantics when you rebutted my original post. NOW you've lost, and have nothing to resort to but insults. What the fuck is wrong with you, that you can't even admit you're wrong? I made a post saying we had a reform based prison system. You jumped in saying that it's not about reform, but rather it's about the prisoner showing change. In other words, reform. You've been arguing the same damned thing this whole time since. You weren't talking about clemency, which I understand just fine, you said "It's not about reform". For christs sake, how hard is it for you to admit "okay, maybe it IS about reform"? Seriously, agrue all you'd like on the interweb. It'll just lead to a bit of frustration and making yourself look like an ass. However, theres no need to keep resorting to insults. Learn to disagree like an adult, dan. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 9:39pm - BornSoVile ""] Nothing changes the fact that hungtobleed fucked himself when he turned the topic into a rant against the ACLU and tried justifying his cause by bringing up a case from years ago, which I'm assuming has already closed and is completly meaningless to the issue at hand. I havn't even argued for against the death penalty! The simple fact is the he is very mislead. He spewed his rhetoric upon us and got owned by everyone here. AND WE'RE THE IGNORANT ONES???? RIOOOGGHHHTTTTT... |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 10:25pm - hungta‘bleed ""] I didn't get owned by shit. I'd bet a million bucks that the ratio of flaming libs to conservatives here is probably 10:1. You blew it out of proportion when you got all offended cause I referred to the protesters as faggo-leftist-ACLU-types. If anyone is mislead it is the kool aid drinkers that think the ACLU is the crux of American values and the backbone of American politics. They are a radical left wing pressure group. There are almost 300 million citizens in the U.S., the ACLU membership is just over 400,000. Only a booger of a percentage of U.S. citizens agree with them enough that they became honorary card carrying members.... [img] Just because he says to drink the kool aid, doesn't mean its good for you |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 10:39pm - BornSoVile ""] hungta‘bleed said:I didn't get owned by shit. I'd bet a million bucks that the ratio of flaming libs to conservatives here is probably 10:1. You blew it out of proportion when you got all offended cause I referred to the protesters as faggo-leftist-ACLU-types. If anyone is mislead it is the kool aid drinkers that think the ACLU is the crux of American values and the backbone of American politics. They are a radical left wing pressure group. There are almost 300 million citizens in the U.S., the ACLU membership is just over 400,000. Only a booger of a percentage of U.S. citizens agree with them enough that they became honorary card carrying members.... [img] Just because he says to drink the kool aid, doesn't mean its good for you not nearly as offended as you there chief. at least we all thought for ourselves and didn't have our girl friends do the dirty work. Choose your battles wiser next time and stop blaming all your problems on liberals, that's just weak. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 10:42pm - BornSoVile ""] hungta‘bleed said: There are almost 300 million citizens in the U.S., the ACLU membership is just over 400,000. Only a booger of a percentage of U.S. citizens agree with them enough that they became honorary card carrying members.... Next time don't lead everyone onto the hysteria that they're controlling the country, better yet don't let them ruin your day. If it bothers you so much, start organizing and do something about it other than making half assed arguements on the net. Though this one has been fun nonetheless. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 10:53pm - hungta‘bleed ""] First off, my old lady does what ever the fuck she wants. If you think that she is here giving me one liners, or vice versa, you're dead wrong. Secondly, my argument was no more half assed than your defense. Lastly, Notwithstanding the fact that we disagree on the issue. I'll agree with you that this has been rather entertaining. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 10:54pm - BornSoVile ""] good, now we can smoke weed in peace. END OF THREAD. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 11:00pm - hungta‘bleed ""] [img] |
| ____________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 11:00pm - mike............ ""] what the fuck does drink the kool aid mean in this context? |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 11:10pm - DJ death ""] Drink the wine, Drink the wine! they'll be here with flame throwers! Drink Drink! in a few seconds you'll feel drowsy, you'll lie down and go to sleep, sleep forever. Jim Jones hoaxed his christian group to drink poison that was in koolaid. Oh yeah, hahahah Tookie, you are dead. Fuck you Elephants, and Fuck you Donkeys. You are all going in circles. Love the Gemini |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 11:13pm - DomesticTerror ""] i still don't get the People's Temple references. It's not very witty, considering it's the gun toting, pro wrestling watching, red state, stars and stripes forever, religiously fanatic, right wing, bovine american who just does what they're told. Drink Bud and go to sleep America, you're government is in control... |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 11:17pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""] Dead Nigger Storage. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 11:37pm - DJ death ""] Fiend for Blood!!!!! Not just "Gun toting Republicans" are dillusional. Everyone is, including you Civil Rights homo. I cant believe people still care for this government. The constiution is being repremanded, who cares about people that only push with half their might (dems and repubs) Hail extremists only! |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 14,2005 11:48pm - DomesticTerror ""] Hail spelling and punctuation. p.s. I think the fries are done. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 12:25am - DJ death ""] i want french fries right now! you get the point though mr. Domestic Terror! Beer mixed with typing probably is penalty for puncuation AND spelling, im splleignadsgs . oh well! Both sides will keep whining, and when your on the funeral bed at 60, you will maybe see that life was wasted and useless. Feel the scythe of the soul reaper! |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 12:27am - DJ death ""] My spelling of "your" (which should be you're) might cause a passionate burst from your clicking typing hand... |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 9:06am - anonymous ""] BornSoVile said:Nothing changes the fact that hungtobleed fucked himself when he turned the topic into a rant against the ACLU and tried justifying his cause by bringing up a case from years ago, which I'm assuming has already closed and is completly meaningless to the issue at hand. I havn't even argued for against the death penalty! The simple fact is the he is very mislead. He spewed his rhetoric upon us and got owned by everyone here. AND WE'RE THE IGNORANT ONES???? RIOOOGGHHHTTTTT... I encourage you to correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t you the one who posted these words? “Shitting on the ACLU is dumb. Do you even know what it stands for? American Civil Liberties Union. Denouncing that = submitting to communism. This is America, land of the free. Rebpulicans are turning the stars and stripes into prison bars, they won't let you get that far. Thanks for supporting the downfall of liberty. Now move to Russia.” “If you had you're way, we'd all be the same, conformist society blind to any fashionable morally ethical code. Communism man, communism.” “next time don't morph the topic into an assault on the ACLU, it's unamerican.” It’s apparent that you are extremely confused. You certainly have no clue what you are talking about because Communism is to the far LEFT on the political spectrum. How would disagreeing with a Liberal (left-wing, but to the right of Communism) interest group make me more left-wing? You clearly don’t even know what a Communist is...nice try though. You are the one who seems to think that the ACLU is so important and is leading the country. You even wrote it yourself that assaulting the ACLU is unAmerican and is submitting to Communism. Your thinking is completely irrational. The next time that you want to proclaim that you’ve won an argument, you should try making a bit more sense and actually use facts to back up what you type. There really is no “winning” when it comes to heated political discussions like this one, so to declare that someone just got owned when you haven’t even used one fact, but merely your own misled (don’t argue this one, you truly are misled if you think that denouncing the ACLU is submitting to Communism) opinion to retort, is inane. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 9:07am - Christina ""] :point: That previous post was typed by me. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 9:12am - Christina ""] Josh_Martin said:Christina said:Josh_Martin said:Christina said: It is a fact not an accusation that the ACLU wants to legalize child pornography. Could you post a link or something to support that statement please? Read up on this case that the ACLU lost: New York v. Ferber, 458 U.S. 747. “The ACLU's position is this: criminalize the production but legalize the sale and distribution of child pornography. This is the kind of lawyerly distinction that no one on the Supreme Court found convincing. And with good reason: as long as a free market in child pornography exists, there will always be some producers willing to risk prosecution. Beyond this, there is also the matter of how the sale of child pornography relates either to free speech or the ends of good government. But most important, the central issue is whether a free society should legalize transactions that involve the wholesale sexploitation of children for profit. The ACLU objects to the idea that porn movie producers be required to maintain records of ages of its performers; this would be “a gross violation of privacy." Please post the link correctly. It doesn't work and more than one paragraph is needed to understand the case. Hopefully this works: http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0458_0747_ZS.html |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 9:21am - the_reverend ""] DJ death said:i want french fries right now! I'm very much with you. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 9:27am - MorbidMike ""] Hahahaha Christina owned you All P.S. FUCK The Aclu and fuck pedophiles and if anyone wants to disagree and say they love kiddy porn cause its america and free well then let me know so I can come rape your ass cause you know its america home of the free now fuck off!Your Pal Morbid Mike |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 9:31am - the_reverend ""] 1/2 nambla's main council post here. joenc, I'm looking your way... |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 9:40am - Josh_Martin ""] Christina said:Hopefully this works: http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0458_0747_ZS.html Yes, that worked. After reading that you really think the ACLUs goal was to legalize kiddie porn? That's a real shortcut to thinking. Their arguement was that the law that banned it was too broad. Slippery slope y'know? They were fighting a poorly written law, not trying to legalize kiddie porn. Their arguement was strong enough for the New York appellate court to agree with them. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 9:41am - Josh_Martin ""] MorbidMike said:Hahahaha Christina owned you All P.S. FUCK The Aclu and fuck pedophiles and if anyone wants to disagree and say they love kiddy porn cause its america and free well then let me know so I can come rape your ass cause you know its america home of the free now fuck off!Your Pal Morbid Mike You are the smartest person here. Seriously. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 9:51am - The ACLU ""] Hey whoa now! We the ACLU Have made America safe for Pedophiles, Gansters, Baby Rapers,Abortionists, Homosexuals, and Parents who firmly inforce punishment on thier kids( i.e. aaa spanking or a punch to the face) cause god damn thins is America built on principles we obviously don't follow so blindly follow us the ACLU or it will be your demise Progressive and Ourselves will make sure of it.-Chairmen of The ACLU Mr. I Lick Balls! |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 10:07am - DestroyYouAlot NLI ""] Ok, so I've ignored this thread until today. Did I miss anything? |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 11:00am - hungta‘bleed ""] all this talk about french fries and licking balls.... I think I just got a boner damnit.... I gotta take a shit |
| _______________________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 11:18am - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:So the death penalty, arguements for and against it. I want to hear things that go beyond "I THINK THOSE ANIMALS SHOULD ALL BE KILLED!!!!!!!!! IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT I WILL FUCKING PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE AND I HOPE SOMEONE IN YOUR FAMILY GETS KILLED SO YOU CAN SEE HOW IT FEELS!" Here's an issue I have with the death penalty, one of the statements that gets thrown around after an execution is "Finally the victim's family has closure" Do statements such as that imply that our justice system does not work unless someone ends up dead for their crime? Why is the state allowed to murder the felon when we do not allow family members of the victim to kill the murderer out of vengeance? You could argue that family members would kill without looking at all the facts and murder whoever they thought was the most likely suspect because humans are flawed. But aren't many of the politicians who support the death penalty motivated by their own passions and base desire for power with the importance they place on being tough on crime to win votes? |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 11:23am - anonymousity ""] Chaos comes soon! Aware, Beware, War. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 12:11pm - RustedAngel ""] [img] |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 12:32pm - brian_dc ""] hahahaha |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 12:48pm - hungta‘bleed ""] that guy fuckin' rules! great white looks like it was written in cum spew |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 1:41pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] RustedAngel said:[img] Still not as rad as the wikked sic Twiztio ink |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 3:27pm - BornSoVile ""] MorbidMike said:Hahahaha Christina owned you All P.S. FUCK The Aclu and fuck pedophiles and if anyone wants to disagree and say they love kiddy porn cause its america and free well then let me know so I can come rape your ass cause you know its america home of the free now fuck off!Your Pal Morbid Mike Graduate High School first. She posted a bunch of facts that supported OUR arguement. Let me repeat that, she posted a bunch of facts that supported OUR arguement. Did you understand that, cause you didn't understand that she posted a bunch of facts that supported OUR arguement, you can't fathom simple English in writing. In your supreme vision without the ACLU, you'd probably be shot for ignoring the basic fundamental concepts of the English language along with being a total idiot. Why do you pussies have such a problem with criminals?? What the hell are you singing about? Flowers and rainbows?? Pull your heads out of your asses or quit music. |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 3:36pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] BobNOMAAMRooney nli said: Frankly I'm amazed that people are getting so worked up about rape and murder on this board considering the lyrics of EVERY GOREGRIND BAND EVER. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 3:41pm - Christina ""] BornSoVile said:MorbidMike said:Hahahaha Christina owned you All P.S. FUCK The Aclu and fuck pedophiles and if anyone wants to disagree and say they love kiddy porn cause its america and free well then let me know so I can come rape your ass cause you know its america home of the free now fuck off!Your Pal Morbid Mike Graduate High School first. She posted a bunch of facts that supported OUR arguement. Let me repeat that, she posted a bunch of facts that supported OUR arguement. Did you understand that, cause you didn't understand that she posted a bunch of facts that supported OUR arguement, you can't fathom simple English in writing. In your supreme vision without the ACLU, you'd probably be shot for ignoring the basic fundamental concepts of the English language along with being a total idiot. Why do you pussies have such a problem with criminals?? What the hell are you singing about? Flowers and rainbows?? Pull your heads out of your asses or quit music. Woah buddy, the music of any band that posts here has absolutely nothing to do with this political topic, and yet you chastised hungtobleed about introducing a new topic into this thread... Like I posted previously, you're the one with the elite fucking attitude - pull your head out of your ass you fucking hypocrite. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 3:48pm - BornSoVile ""] Your just jealous I'm more extreme, hardlined and more witty than you'll ever be. The music certainly does have something to do with this, cause this is a metal board not a fucking political forum, you just havn't realized that yet. If you're so outraged about the Dechristianization of Christmas, tell you're boyfriends band not to play with Vital Remains, they hate christ more than liberals. And here's another one for you to ponder over and twist, the ACLU would be one of the first organizations to support Extreme Metal if it was ever to be banned or whatever. Horrible people, simply horrible. Damn the bill of rights and fuck the constitution, they always seem to proove you wrong. Can't fuck with that! |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 3:54pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] I'm going to go listen to Susvourtre because I loooooove me some underaged snatch. You know, believing in free speech and all. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 3:58pm - hungta'bleed ""] Fuck. I'm a poser. All I can think of is that Easy-E song "ain't broke a law in your life, yet everytime you rap you yap about guns knifes" I gotta start breaking more laws and killing people so that I can live up to our lyrical content. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 4:00pm - HailTheLeaf ""] the_reverend said:my head hurts to much to read this. I just think of all the people out there who are executed and then found innocent a year later. Exactly...it's 300 years later and we're still having witch hunts, kill first, think about where it's right or not later. Free the West Memphis Three! |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 4:01pm - BornSoVile ""] I'm not saying that at all, I'm just curious why you guys hate the ACLU for supporting some of the best imagery and lyrical content the world of extreme metal has to offer. |
| _____________________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 4:20pm - DestroyYouAlot NLI ""] 'Cause Rush says so. And I ain't talking about Geddy Lee. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 4:24pm - BornSoVile ""] is this Rush like a Messiah or something? |
| _____________________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 4:34pm - DestroyYouAlot NLI ""] BornSoVile said:is this Rush like a Messiah or something? More like a hearing-impaired junkie, but really that's six of one and half a dozen of the other. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 4:37pm - BornSoVile ""] sounds like jesus! |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 4:38pm - Christina ""] BornSoVile said:Your just jealous I'm more extreme, hardlined and more witty than you'll ever be. Wow…you insult morbidmike for having improper grammar and you can’t even fucking use the word YOU’RE in the right context. Damn, your hypocrisy is fucking blinding me Yeah you’re fucking wicked extreme, dude!!! You’re about as extreme as a fucking roller-skater. You’re so witty that you can’t even come up with one coherent and factually accurate rebuttal to one thing that I’ve typed and if you disagree, go back and read what I’ve typed on this thread. But yeah, hey you got me on that one!!! What a narcissistic and fucking dim-witted thing to say. BornSoVile said:“The music certainly does have something to do with this, cause this is a metal board not a fucking political forum, you just havn't realized that yet. “ This is a public forum where people are allowed to create threads about whatever they choose; hence, the rev creates threads about news topics that are un-related to music on a daily basis. Please inform me of when this message board had only music-related threads. BornSoVile said:If you're so outraged about the Dechristianization of Christmas, tell you're boyfriends band not to play with Vital Remains, they hate christ more than liberals. They can play with whomever they choose and I don’t give a fuck, I have no say when it comes to their music. None of the people in his band is even close to being religious in any way, so why the fuck would it matter who they play with? BornSoVile said:And here's another one for you to ponder over and twist, the ACLU would be one of the first organizations to support Extreme Metal if it was ever to be banned or whatever. Horrible people, simply horrible. Damn the bill of rights and fuck the constitution, they always seem to proove you wrong. Can't fuck with that!.” I don’t know where you got the fucked up idea that I am against the bill of rights/constitution. You really need to ensure that you are correct before you spew shit like this. I fucking love this country and wholly support the bill of rights and the rest of the constitution. It is crazy fucks like you that are over-analyzing the constitution and coming up with fucked up things like “Well, the constitution doesn’t say that gays can’t marry.” Or “well, the constitution doesn’t say that we can’t have child pornography” No fucking shit!! You think that our Forefathers (and you fucking Marxist pigs want to call them Framers to be PC – fuck you!) thought for one second that a bunch of ass-fucking men were going to want to get married or that a bunch of sickfucks were going to engage in sexual activities with young children!?!? Come on now!! |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 4:45pm - BornSoVile ""] Christina said: If you want to know what the ACLU really supports, here are just a few FACTUAL examples (it's apparent that the ACLU is a left-wing interest group): Removing nativity scenes from public property Banning songs such as Silent Night from schools Refusing to allow students to write about the Christian aspect of Christmas in school projects Renaming Christmas break Winter break Refusing to allow a city sponsored Christmas parade to be called a Christmas parade Not allowing a Christmas tree in a public school Renaming a Christmas tree displayed on public property a Holiday tree In addition to their war on Christmas, the ACLU is all about: Suing states to force them to legalize homosexual marriage Forcing libraries to remove porn filters from their computers Suing the Boy Scouts to force them to accept homosexuals as scout leaders Helping to legalize child pornography (this is fucked up, and if you support this cause then I hope you have a son someday that gets relentlessly sodomized and gutted, then tell me how much you support this cause you sick fuck) Legalizing live sex acts in bars in Oregon Protecting the North American Man Boy Love Association, whose motto is "sex by eight or it is too late" Censoring student led prayer at graduation Removing "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance Removing "In God We Trust" on our currency HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REMIND YOU THAT THIS POST RIGHT HERE PROVED MY POINT?? YOU DEFEATED YOURSELF. |
| _____________________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 4:47pm - DestroyYouAlot NLI ""] Christina said:It is crazy fucks like you that are over-analyzing the constitution and coming up with fucked up things like “Well, the constitution doesn’t say that gays can’t marry.” Well, not to get all "crazy", but it, er, you know, doesn't. I mean, technically. You think that our Forefathers (and you fucking Marxist pigs want to call them Framers to be PC – fuck you!) blah blah blah hysterical FOX news watcher-ese I suppose if they had fucked some willing female legal document, and nine months later the aforementioned document spewed out a mewling little baby document, and they all passed around cigars, then forefathers would be more appropriate then framers. And if the natural evolution of the language or the way it's used had anything to do with the mythical "PC", then that would apply, too. (Oops, sorry, "intelligent design" of the language would be equally as valid, don't want to get your feathers all in a ruffle.) Anyway, I'm sorry, I was busy making sense, you were saying...? |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 4:49pm - BornSoVile ""] Christina said: I don’t know where you got the fucked up idea that I am against the bill of rights/constitution. You really need to ensure that you are correct before you spew shit like this. I fucking love this country and wholly support the bill of rights and the rest of the constitution. It is crazy fucks like you that are over-analyzing the constitution and coming up with fucked up things like “Well, the constitution doesn’t say that gays can’t marry.” Or “well, the constitution doesn’t say that we can’t have child pornography” No fucking shit!! You think that our Forefathers (and you fucking Marxist pigs want to call them Framers to be PC – fuck you!) thought for one second that a bunch of ass-fucking men were going to want to get married or that a bunch of sickfucks were going to engage in sexual activities with young children!?!? Come on now!! The Constitution/Bill of Rights is the EMBODIMENT of PC. Give me a fact negating that fact. Again, I'll remind you this is the way America is, you obviously let that ruin your day. You should consider moving if this is bothering you that much. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 4:54pm - BornSoVile ""] Christina said: Wow…you insult morbidmike for having improper grammar and you can’t even fucking use the word YOU’RE in the right context. Damn, your hypocrisy is fucking blinding me Yeah you’re fucking wicked extreme, dude!!! You’re about as extreme as a fucking roller-skater. You’re so witty that you can’t even come up with one coherent and factually accurate rebuttal to one thing that I’ve typed and if you disagree, go back and read what I’ve typed on this thread. But yeah, hey you got me on that one!!! What a narcissistic and fucking dim-witted thing to say. wooooo, a spelling error blinds you, U'm gonna remember that one! take your bleeding heart somewhere else where people actually might sympathize with your lame arguement and faded tactical approach of fact finding. and the btw, Roller Derby is comming back, it's really extreme and brutal, not to mention hawt cause it's only for let females now, your fighting spirit could be of good use to that cause. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 5:58pm - DomesticTerror ""] Since we're splitting hairs... Christina said: This is a public forum where people are allowed to create threads about whatever they choose; hence, the rev creates threads about news topics that are un-related to music on a daily basis. Please inform me of when this message board had only music-related threads. I don’t know where you got the fucked up idea that I am against the bill of rights/constitution. You really need to ensure that you are correct before you spew shit like this. I fucking love this country and wholly support the bill of rights and the rest of the constitution. It is crazy fucks like you that are over-analyzing the constitution and coming up with fucked up things like “Well, the constitution doesn’t say that gays can’t marry.” Or “well, the constitution doesn’t say that we can’t have child pornography” No fucking shit!! You think that our Forefathers (and you fucking Marxist pigs want to call them Framers to be PC – fuck you!) thought for one second that a bunch of ass-fucking men were going to want to get married or that a bunch of sickfucks were going to engage in sexual activities with young children!?!? Come on now!! first, you're both right. This is a metal board, and this section is a public forum. Anyone can post any topic they wish here. BSV was just making a metal metaphor to illustrate a point. Such a metaphor would be helpful to those who seemed to have trouble understanding his argument. Apparently, he put 2 and 2 together: "people on a metal board are probably metalheads and would understand this comparison/contrast." If you need further explaination, let me know... Where would someone get the idea that you're against the bill of rights/constitution? It's probably from your anti- ACLU stance, and your belief that the original Bill of Rights and Constitution are and forever will be relevent to a society that has grown, evolved, advanced, progressed, etc. If we leave these documents unchanged and unamended, then blacks would be picking cotton and you couldn't vote. And the part about our forefathers...I imagaine gays getting married was never thought of as an issue because anyone expressing interest in the subject would probably have been lynched or stoned to death. And I'm quite sure that they were aware child rapists did exist. Child rape has existed since the dawn of time, it's not a product the 21st century. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 6:04pm - DomesticTerror ""] Josh_Martin said:Christina said:Hopefully this works: http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0458_0747_ZS.html Yes, that worked. After reading that you really think the ACLUs goal was to legalize kiddie porn? That's a real shortcut to thinking. Their arguement was that the law that banned it was too broad. Slippery slope y'know? They were fighting a poorly written law, not trying to legalize kiddie porn. Their arguement was strong enough for the New York appellate court to agree with them. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 6:17pm - DomesticTerror ""] Christina said: Wow…you insult morbidmike for having improper grammar and you can’t even fucking use the word YOU’RE in the right context. Damn, your hypocrisy is fucking blinding me He never mentioned anything about Morbid Mike's grammar. He insulted him because of his poor reading comprehension skills and his inability to "get the main idea." No hypocrisy there. Something sure as shit is blinding you, though... |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 8:27pm - DomesticTerror ""] Christina said: Read up on this case that the ACLU lost: New York v. Ferber, 458 U.S. 747. “The ACLU's position is this: criminalize the production but legalize the sale and distribution of child pornography. This is the kind of lawyerly distinction that no one on the Supreme Court found convincing. And with good reason: as long as a free market in child pornography exists, there will always be some producers willing to risk prosecution. Beyond this, there is also the matter of how the sale of child pornography relates either to free speech or the ends of good government. But most important, the central issue is whether a free society should legalize transactions that involve the wholesale sexploitation of children for profit. The ACLU objects to the idea that porn movie producers be required to maintain records of ages of its performers; this would be “a gross violation of privacy." ok. I've clicked on the new link you gave us, and I couldn't find the above quoted paragraph anywhere. What gives? You've either: 1) given the wrong link 2) cut and paste, which means you've intentionally fabricated and supplied false evidence to support your argument...which completely destroys your credibility. or 3) I missed the quote. please let us know. we are all waiting. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 8:40pm - DomesticTerror ""] Christina, are you ever going to respond to any of my posts? If not, why? hungta‘bleed said: Anyone who supports the ACLU is a disgrace to this country. :pukeface: ...This is the stupidest remark I've read in a long while. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 10:59pm - BornSoVile ""] I said it before and you kept hiding in your little abstract reality. OWNED Thanks for making this one of the easiest arguements in awhile, now go whine about Christmas somewhere else. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 11:46pm - Christina ""] DomesticTerror said:Christina, are you ever going to respond to any of my posts? If not, why? hungta‘bleed said: Anyone who supports the ACLU is a disgrace to this country. :pukeface: ...This is the stupidest remark I've read in a long while. There is no need to worry, I didn’t mean to cause any discontent by not dropping everything and immediately replying to you...I had to take a final at my college. This is the website that I got that paragraph and the link for the actual case from: http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/07/26/091744.php |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 15,2005 11:59pm - Christina ""] BornSoVile said:I said it before and you kept hiding in your little abstract reality. OWNED Thanks for making this one of the easiest arguements in awhile, now go whine about Christmas somewhere else. This statement has no credibility whatsoever coming from some unintelligent piece of shit who actually thinks that a fucking Communist is right-wing. You can’t even fucking argue because you are obviously uninformed about what you’re spewing. I should be thanking you for making it so easy for me to point out how much of a fucking idiot you are. I suggest that you look up the definition of Communism before declaring that you’ve won an argument where you’ve been rebutted every fucking time. This is all I have time for tonight. I’m sure that when I go to work tomorrow morning and check out this site, you’ll have a predictably off-topic and fucking asinine response…I look forward to it. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 12:06am - KeithMutiny ""] heres the best logic... hes dead now who cares |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 12:16am - BornSoVile ""] sweet, somebody has a personal vendetta against me. that's what happens when your the best! I call conservatives communists cause it really pisses them off to realize that they are completly intolerant towards any sort of progression that denounces their preservation of a supreme state of power. now if you'll note here http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=conservative is nothing at all like this http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=liberal but if you'll notice. Though the economic motives of communism are similar to liberalism, the repressive state it needs/insists on breeding upon is extemely conservative. Calling you a communist is just another way of saying you're anti American, remember reading about McCarthyism??? It's simply an effective way to zing the shit out of you, get your really pissed off and have you call me names like a Marxist Pig and faggo leftist. I don't care if you think I'm unintelligent, you're just to jaded to realize my father has a Ph.D from BU in Sociology/Political Science and we've talked about these issues everyday and night together throughout my 22 years of existence, aside from my personal reading of various political science explorations which included both sides. See what happens when you assume? You make and ASS out of U and ME. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 12:18am - BornSoVile ""] KeithMutiny said:heres the best logic... hes dead now who cares there wasn't hardly any death penatly debate here, it's pathetic, this all the BMR kids fault for saying retarded things and not knowing when to stop. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 12:22am - KeithMutiny ""] i didnt waste my time reading this... but just loooking for words to selectivly pick, communism could be a very good thing, its just no one does it right. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 12:23am - BornSoVile ""] what is this a metal forum or something?? |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 12:24am - KeithMutiny ""] fuck metal, metal is for pussies |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 12:26am - BornSoVile ""] dude, that type of attitude is totally bringing the scene down man! |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 12:27am - KeithMutiny ""] this thread is bringing the scene down!!! |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 12:29am - BornSoVile ""] i swear it's not my fault! |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 12:30am - KeithMutiny ""] its kenny's fault |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 12:38am - BornSoVile ""] hahah, go figure BMR associates with him. |
| ________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 8:19am - B-rad ""] KeithMutiny said: communism could be a very good thing, its just no one does it right. ha,ha, HAHAHAHAHAHA!! that's priceless. How many people need to be exterminated for most Communist gov't to work, 4-5 million at least. What better way to start a gov't than to destroy the competition! |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 9:18am - KeithMutiny ""] B-rad said:KeithMutiny said: communism could be a very good thing, its just no one does it right. ha,ha, HAHAHAHAHAHA!! that's priceless. How many people need to be exterminated for most Communist gov't to work, 4-5 million at least. What better way to start a gov't than to destroy the competition! exactly |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 9:32am - Christina ""] BornSoVile said:I call conservatives communists cause it really pisses them off to realize that they are completly intolerant towards any sort of progression that denounces their preservation of a supreme state of power. You’re completely intolerant towards anyone who disagrees with the fucking ACLU! In fact, you demand that one leaves the country if one doesn’t agree with the views of this fucking interest group: “Shitting on the ACLU is dumb. Do you even know what it stands for? American Civil Liberties Union. Denouncing that = submitting to communism. This is America, land of the free. Rebpulicans are turning the stars and stripes into prison bars, they won't let you get that far. Thanks for supporting the downfall of liberty. Now move to Russia.” “If you had you're way, we'd all be the same, conformist society blind to any fashionable morally ethical code. Communism man, communism.” “next time don't morph the topic into an assault on the ACLU, it's unamerican.” What the fuck are you trying to prove?? “Blah blah blah…well, you’re fucking intolerant towards anyone who is for the ACLU, I’m intolerant towards anyone who is against the ACLU blah blah blah.” Make some sense, please, for once state something rational. Thank you for once again making yourself look stupid. If you knew anything about Communism and Conservatism, you would know that they are on opposite ends of the political spectrum. BornSoVile said:now if you'll note here http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=conservative is nothing at all like this http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=liberal but if you'll notice. You’re a fucking genius. Who didn’t know that “Conservative” is nothing at all like “Liberal?” Thanks for the fucking revelation…without you I would have never known that. BornSoVile said:Calling you a communist is just another way of saying you're anti American How am I anti-American? What have I typed that makes me unAmerican? Disagreeing with a Liberal interest group does not make me anti-American, you fucking dolt. How many times do I have to type that I fucking love this country and wholly support the Bill of Rights/Constitution for you to realise that I am a fucking patriot, not a Communist or unAmerican!!!! I’ll use some of the fucking definition of “Conservative” that you posted: “Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change.” “Tending to conserve; preservative:” Based on the definition that you posted; how the fuck am I against the Bill of Rights/Constitution if I favor traditional views and want to conserve and preserve the Constitution?? Explain your fucking position! BornSoVile said:you're just to jaded to realize my father has a Ph.D from BU in Sociology/Political Science and we've talked about these issues everyday and night together throughout my 22 years of existence, aside from my personal reading of various political science explorations which included both sides. Yes, you’re correct; it is because I am jaded that I don’t fucking care to realise this. You didn’t make it very fucking obvious that you know what you are talking about considering your standpoint is that any intolerance towards the ACLU automatically makes a person a Communist and unAmerican. Taking into account that you and educated old pap talk about politics 24/7, one would imagine that you’d be a bit more accurate and knowledgable in this field… |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 9:59am - Christina ""] BornSoVile said:this all the BMR kids fault for saying retarded things and not knowing when to stop. BornSoVile said:hahah, go figure BMR associates with him. What the fuck is your damage, boy!? It’s obvious that you just have a personal fucking feeling of resentment towards them for whatever reason, and if you did not, you wouldn’t be negatively mentioning them in this discussion and blaming them for your own inability to support your argument. Yeah, so a few members of the band (2 of them don’t even fucking post here) posted some shit here, but that has nothing to do with the views of the band as whole or their music, so to play the blame game and use the term “BMR” is invalid. Blaming them for your inability to support your own argument has nothing to do with the politics that we are debating. I know that it’s very difficult for you, but please try to stay on topic for once. By the way, I can’t speak for BMR, but I do know that BMR does not “associate” with Kenny. He booked a few shows that they played…big fucking deal, so hasn’t more than half of the fucking bands that post here – your band included, right!?!?!? Who the fuck cares who the person is that is booking a show? How many bands accept shows solely based on the promoter?? If that is the deciding factor of whether or not your band plays a show, then that is just fucked up. Good luck. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 10:02am - hungta‘bleed ""] BornSoVile said: I don't care if you think I'm unintelligent, you're just to jaded to realize my father has a Ph.D from BU in Sociology/Political Science and we've talked about these issues everyday and night together throughout my 22 years of existence All my college professors have a PhD as well, but it doesn't take away the fact that they are flaming libs who probably still wear their hippie shirts under their suit coats and carry their little red commie Mao book in their back pocket. When one is indoctrinated by their red commie leftist parents they become what is called a: [img] Did daddy sit on the edge of your bed and read Mao's little red book to you everynight? [img] |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 11:16am - DestroyYouAlot NLI ""] Christina said:If you knew anything about Communism and Conservatism, you would know that they are on opposite ends of the political spectrum. If you haven't graduated past looking at politics in two dimensions, then you need to put down the keyboard and pick up a book. A spectrum is way the fuck too simple of a model for constructive debate and analysis, always has been. And, besides, as it's been said here before, go far enough in either direction and you just come out on the other side. |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 11:19am - DestroyYouAlot NLI ""] Christina said:How many times do I have to type that I fucking love this country and wholly support the Bill of Rights/Constitution for you to realise that I am a fucking patriot, not a Communist or unAmerican!!!! And she has the magnet on her car to prove it! |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 11:23am - KeithMutiny ""] [img] |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 11:34am - hungta‘bleed ""] DestroyYouAlot NLI said And, besides, as it's been said here before, go far enough in either direction and you just come out on the other side. What an astute observation. I have to agree with you there. :yoda: |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 4:30pm - BornSoVile ""] HEY YOU WANTED AN ARGUEMENT, I GAVE YOU ONE, STOP BITCHING ABOUT IT. Attack of the fanatical neocons!! |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 4:41pm - hungta‘bleed ""] I'm done. You done? Our political views are virtually polar opposites. I'm not going to budge. Neither are you, and I never expected you to either. It was fun, or at the least entertaining, while it lasted. WE CAN NOW SMOKE WEED IN PEACE. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 5:26pm - BornSoVile ""] I know we're cool, but what about your woman? |
| __________________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 11:40pm - anonymousityyy ""] TOTAL DEATH!!! haha tookie, i might find some chunks of you in new batches of Ben and Jerry's new ice cream "Tookies and Cream" and "Chocolate chip Tookie dough" Nigga |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 16,2005 11:53pm - hungta'bleed ""] [img] enough said... |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 17,2005 2:18pm - Ta ta tookie ""] : Twas the night before Christmas and all through San Quentin, the crips were protesting, and liberals were ventin'. The cyanide hung by the chamber with care, in hopes that the reaper soon would be there. The inmates were nestled all snug in their bed; except for Ol' Tookie, who soon would be dead. And me with my beer mug, dressed warm in my flannel, had curled up to watch it, on every news channel. I set up my TIVO to record the news station, and thoroughly loved the momentous occasion. It seemed lady justice had gotten her way, and that there would be one less savage in the world today. When outside the jail there arose such a clatter, the cameras had turned to see what was the matter. When what to my civilized eyes did appear, but a lineup of actors, all liberal, half of 'em queer. The misguided, emotional freaks drew some curious looks, as they proclaimed his innocence; clutching his books. The tears then flew out from Sarandon's eyes, as she nominated him again for the Nobel Peace Prize. The actors were tethered to an ACLU sleigh, all towing the line of the urban decay. On Asner, on Penn, on liberal cop-haters, On Sharpton, on Jesse and all the race-baiters. Then at 3:01 all curled up like a beetle, Tookie cried like a bitch as they gave him the needle. When up from the actors there arose such a cry, they had failed in their mission, and Tookie did die. No pity no remorse, for those who do wrong, and F you to the Emotionals who cry tha same 'ol song. I heard Pat Buchanon say, as I turned out my light, Merry Christmas to all ... there was justice tonight!! |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 17,2005 3:12pm - DomesticTerror ""] Christina said: There is no need to worry, I didn’t mean to cause any discontent by not dropping everything and immediately replying to you...I had to take a final at my college. This is the website that I got that paragraph and the link for the actual case from: http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/07/26/091744.php You're a real work of art, ya know that? You never seem to have a problem dropping everything to respond to BSV. You just want to argue, not prove a point. And you still haven't responed to anything I've asked. Talk about grotesque evasion. Wait, it gets better... A few of us ask for a link to your quoted post, and you: 1) give us a broken link 2)give us a link to a completely different source that DOES NOT contain the paragraph that you quoted to back up your argument 3)give us an "oops, tee hee, here's where I got this paragraph from.." link to what turns out to be A BLOG! A blog about an anti-ACLU book, the blog being written by the head of STOPTHEACLU.COM Are you fucking kidding me? Your stance, this whole thing you've been doing on this board for the last week or so...is based on an advertisment? Let me repeat that, just so we all get it... The factual information that you have based your entire argument on... IS A FUCKING COMMERCIAL??????? are you daft? is this what they teach you in college these days? Just to warn you, if you ever cited the wrong link in one of your papers, you'd get tossed outta college for plagiarism. So you may want to avoid the shady, misleading citing practices you've displayed here. so, are you ever gonna respond to anything else i've mentioned, or are you just gonna avoid everythng and keep arguing like a woman? |
| _______________________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 12:31am - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] The Death Metal Guide to iconic murderers and goddamned evil animals!!!: HEROIC FIGURE [img] FUCKING GODDAMNED ANIMAL! (it'd be much easier if you guys just got it off your chests and called him a nigger). [img] |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 2:02am - DJ death ""] Ta Ta tookie, you are a true poet! wherever you got this piece, you are a genious. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 2:06am - BornSoVile ""] She obviously won't respond to you guys, she just wants to ignore my points and cover for the people who fucked themselves, she is the ACLU for conservatives. NOTE TO EVERYONE, Next time the right insults the intergrity of America, call them a Communist, they will cry. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 2:16am - DJ death ""] ahaha, cons AND libs suck |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 2:19am - BornSoVile ""] no no no PEOPLE SUCK. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 2:20am - DJ death ""] Josh rules! |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 2:22am - DJ death ""] but no,,,,, Peoples politics suck, where is the death metal exremity!? Libs are pretty wimpy and whine alot, and Cons are fucking total knucle heads that follow the big plan for total manipulation, im drunk |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 1:13pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Compare and Contrast Charles Manson: Hippie faggot who had a gang of bitches kill a few people because he couldn't man up and do it himself. To this date his "family" has done shit. Tookie Williams: Killed numerous people in cold blood, co-founded a gang which has killed thousands more and began nationwide distribution of crack in the 80's. HAIL DEATH, HAIL TOOKIE |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 6:08pm - Ta ta tookie ""] : Twas the night before Christmas and all through San Quentin, the crips were protesting, and liberals were ventin'. The cyanide hung by the chamber with care, in hopes that the reaper soon would be there. The inmates were nestled all snug in their bed; except for Ol' Tookie, who soon would be dead. And me with my beer mug, dressed warm in my flannel, had curled up to watch it, on every news channel. I set up my TIVO to record the news station, and thoroughly loved the momentous occasion. It seemed lady justice had gotten her way, and that there would be one less savage in the world today. When outside the jail there arose such a clatter, the cameras had turned to see what was the matter. When what to my civilized eyes did appear, but a lineup of actors, all liberal, half of 'em queer. The misguided, emotional freaks drew some curious looks, as they proclaimed his innocence; clutching his books. The tears then flew out from Sarandon's eyes, as she nominated him again for the Nobel Peace Prize. The actors were tethered to an ACLU sleigh, all towing the line of the urban decay. On Asner, on Penn, on liberal cop-haters, On Sharpton, on Jesse and all the race-baiters. Then at 3:01 all curled up like a beetle, Tookie cried like a bitch as they gave him the needle. When up from the actors there arose such a cry, they had failed in their mission, and Tookie did die. No pity no remorse, for those who do wrong, and F you to the Emotionals who cry tha same 'ol song. I heard Pat Buchanon say, as I turned out my light, Merry Christmas to all ... there was justice tonight!! |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 18,2005 7:28pm - infoterror ""] SEPARATE THE RACES MULTICULTURALISM DOESN'T WORK AND IS A SHITTY IDEA MONOCULTURALISM IT IS AND I DON'T WANT TO LIVE NEAR TOOKIE BECAUSE I'M BETTER WITH THE 7.62 THAN HE AND I'D HATE TO HAVE TO JOIN THE KLAN TO JUSTIFY MURDERING SOMEONE WHO HAPPENS (GET THAT IT'S JUST RANDOM) TO BE OF ANOTHER RACE THAT BEING SAID HEIL HITLER |
| ______________________________ [Dec 19,2005 3:16am - CNV ""] WWIII is my only salvation |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 19,2005 10:01am - Josh_Martin ""] DomesticTerror said:Josh_Martin said:Christina said:Hopefully this works: http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0458_0747_ZS.html Yes, that worked. After reading that you really think the ACLUs goal was to legalize kiddie porn? That's a real shortcut to thinking. Their arguement was that the law that banned it was too broad. Slippery slope y'know? They were fighting a poorly written law, not trying to legalize kiddie porn. Their arguement was strong enough for the New York appellate court to agree with them. Don't worry she won't respond to this. She's a typical dumb broad who can't understand anything beyond what her dumbass boyfriend tells her. Anyway, I proved that the ACLU does not want to legalize kiddie porn. That was all I wanted to do. |