HELVETE BOSTON OFFICIALLY CANCELLED[views:102702][posts:457]__________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 8:04am - Falcifer ""] I recieved this email this morning: chris, helvete night is officially canceled at obriens. there will be no show next week. I’ve had too many people asking and suggesting the night is some sort of white power night and too much bad vibes about it already. no one on the staff at the club wants it to continue, and it’s not the type of notoriety the room cares to be a part of. thanks, shred I will personally see that this organization who started this rumor and got us cancelled pays. You know who you are. Now I would like to say Hail to all those who made this last year a good one for metal. I met some fantastic people during this time. I thought Boston was ready for a night like this... I guess I was wrong. Metal has no place in popular Boston and never will. As a result HelveteBoston.com will officially be shut down... Hail and Farewell Chris |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 8:40am - RustedAngel ""] gee. I wonder who could be involved in black metal and white power. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 8:49am - JayTUS ""] That's fucked up. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 8:57am - korpse-l- ""] that sucks. especially because i never got to go to one and i was looking forward to going to one. maybe another club will pick it up. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:07am - shatteredliz ""] Damn, this sucks. I reallly enjoyed the Helvet shows. I already had about six people coming with me to the next show. Maybe I'm just out of the loop, but I don't understand why this show got such a bad reputation. It;s just a bunch of people getting together to listen to metal, and there's nothing wrong wtih that. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:12am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Thanks alot whoever started that rumor, boston metal definately needed another set back. Helvete was a great time. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:16am - Falcifer ""] We were targeted by NEFAC - North Eastern Federation of Anarchist Communists. WE WERE SHUT DOWN BY PEACE PUNKS! FUCKING COMMUNISTS... misinformed gutter punks with nothing else to do but take away something that they do not understand. Quite frankly I don't see the difference between these guys and the religious zealots who currently control the country. And another thing the one in charge of this whole thing is the lead singer for a band called Czolgosz. A band named after Leon Czolgosz. A man who assassinated President McKinley. A MURDERER! There is no justice. Just another case of other people telling you what you can’t do. I don't see another club picking us up after something like this. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:17am - Falcifer ""] This is their website... http://www.nefac.net/ Its 1/2 in french... tells you where their collective heads are! Hows that for racist! |
| ____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:25am - TerribleNightSteve ""] That really sucks. I only got to go to this one time at the Paradise and I was excited that it was at Obriens. damn |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:34am - litacore ""] fuck-fuckity-FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! what the hell? That is BULLSHIT! what is fucking WRONG with this town? TONS, apparently! SHIT! :( |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:34am - the_reverend ""] I know that I for one didn't ruin it. I was too busy ruining hardcore. plus, it was always on a monday night. a night that I'm forever dedicated to something else. on the whole NEFAC thing... it always really impressed me how rich brats like to think they are "anarchists" and try to bring down or change governments by not showering. reminds me of this hippie kid from college who kept trying to bring woodstock everywhere. last I knew, he was running with the wolf spirits which lead him to burn down a house and he got commited to some place. oh, and there is nothing wrong with french. especially if a bit tittied hotty is giving you a BJ and she speaks french. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:39am - litacore ""] I have LESS THAN NOTHING against the French. Not only are some kick-ass metal bands French, Belgian, French-Canadian (hello VOIVOD, CRYPTOPSY, ABORTED, SUBLIME CADAVERIC DECOMPOSITION), but there hails from there some of the best literary lights in surrealist/extreme fiction (BECKETT *Irish emigree, but still*, DE NERVAL, DE SADE, LAUTREMONT) what I do have a problem with is these poser-crust fucks ruining any possible outlet we have for real metal in this town. DAMMIT! |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:42am - paganmegan ""] Well this doesn't ruin my day or anything Jesus christ these people piss me off so much I can't even articulate how angry this makes me Alot of people really look forward to helvete because it provided the opportunity to listen to metal with a group of people.. people listen to metal and they drink. Since when is that a fucking crime? |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:42am - litacore ""] here's a question: does Providence win now? Looks it. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:44am - paganmegan ""] Boston officially sucks for BM |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:46am - succubus ""] the_reverend said: oh, and there is nothing wrong with french. especially if a bit tittied hotty is giving you a BJ and she speaks french. :bow: merci mon amour |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:46am - litacore ""] paganmegan said:Boston officially sucks for BM fuck dude, time will tell. What were we talkin' about earlier. But maybe the whole entire country is THIS fucked. let it fuel your anger and conviction for playing the music you love.:whipper: |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:46am - succubus ""] Falcifer said:We were targeted by NEFAC - North Eastern Federation of Anarchist Communists. WE WERE SHUT DOWN BY PEACE PUNKS! FUCKING COMMUNISTS... misinformed gutter punks with nothing else to do but take away something that they do not understand. Quite frankly I don't see the difference between these guys and the religious zealots who currently control the country. And another thing the one in charge of this whole thing is the lead singer for a band called Czolgosz. A band named after Leon Czolgosz. A man who assassinated President McKinley. A MURDERER! There is no justice. Just another case of other people telling you what you can’t do. I don't see another club picking us up after something like this. that's fucked up... please don't give up though... |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:48am - Falcifer ""] the_reverend said:I know that I for one didn't ruin it. I was too busy ruining hardcore. plus, it was always on a monday night. a night that I'm forever dedicated to something else. on the whole NEFAC thing... it always really impressed me how rich brats like to think they are "anarchists" and try to bring down or change governments by not showering. reminds me of this hippie kid from college who kept trying to bring woodstock everywhere. last I knew, he was running with the wolf spirits which lead him to burn down a house and he got commited to some place. oh, and there is nothing wrong with french. especially if a bit tittied hotty is giving you a BJ and she speaks french. You have no idea how right on you are about these people. The person in question while fronting this "cause" tours with his band all over the world... fine right? WRONG! His parents own a FEW very successful specialty markets/eateries in the South End... he comes back on tour and still has a job working for mommy and daddy in their cushy stores. Talk about a golden parachute… BY THE WAY THE FRENCH COMMENT WAS A JOKE… just trying to find any and all humor in this dark time. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:50am - litacore ""] goddamn! That is downright iniquitous. well, my personal hails to you for everything you accomplished with the project, dude. I couldn't go every time but I had a blast during the ones I could, especially the Horn of Valere show. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:52am - Joe/NotCommon ""] litacore said:paganmegan said:Boston officially sucks for BM fuck dude, time will tell. What were we talkin' about earlier. But maybe the whole entire country is THIS fucked. let it fuel your anger and conviction for playing the music you love.:whipper: I don't think the rest of the country is the same as Massachsuetts, artistic expression is forbidden here. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 10:00am - Joe/NotCommon ""] I don't know other peoples feelings, is anyone blaming O'Brien's at all? I see where they are coming from if they were getting alot of bad publicity because those anarchist kids convinced people Helvete was white power. I think Shred is the only cool guy in the club scene around here, as far as booking shows. Purp, the sound guy at O'Briens is awesome too. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 10:00am - Falcifer ""] What burns me the most is the club completely folded and offered no support or listened to reason. We actually went to NEFAC explained what we were doing and what we were about... they were ready to blockade/protest (shows you how much time these people have) the 01/31 Helvete... |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 10:00am - succubus ""] again, i wish people would not give up...make your voices heard! |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 10:03am - Falcifer ""] You read his email the guy folded... I can understand his concerns, but give us a chance to explain... the one thing I don't understand is the "too much bad vibes about it already" comment... it to me smacks of prejudice against "metal" and "long hairs". |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 10:05am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Yeah thats true, Shred does seem to completely against anything white power, the mere mention of it pisses him off. Did you get my email? |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 10:08am - Falcifer ""] Got it... sounds like a really good idea. Thanks a lot! |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 10:09am - paganmegan ""] Don't let helvete die!! |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 10:14am - Falcifer ""] paganmegan said:Don't let helvete die!! All I can promise is we will try, but this is a serious blow to take. The stigma of "racist" or "white power organization" is a tough one to over come... especially in this close-minded town. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 10:16am - paganmegan ""] I fail to see how metalheads getting together once a month to listen to music and bands that don't suck constitutes racism or white power, the assholes |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 10:18am - litacore ""] such injustice. NSBM association doesn't seem credible to me, they just pre-judge Black Metal because of 'Access Hollywood' or 'Hard Copy' type of media coverage |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 10:19am - dan. ""] wow a bunch of suburban white anarchists protesting a metal night with bands they will ironicly listen to in 2 years. oops, sorry they dont live in the suburbs anymore - they live in allston. so fucking gay. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 10:36am - litacore ""] this is one of their contacts: smash_rich_bastards@yahoo.com so . . . they're a pro-suicide or masochistic organization? seriously, I'm a fairly intelligent person, and I hate fascism even more than metalcore. But this just seems like they mis-directed their activism towards the wrong target. I don't get it (am I supposed to?) |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 10:45am - dan. ""] their fucking idiots. any 'real anarchists' would have much more important things to focus on. like constructively contributing to the community. not boycotting a metal night because they think it might somehow be associated with white power. their fucking idiots. i dont even care to look because ill just get pissed off. boston is the shittiest city in the history of the world..ever. 'a whales vagina!' |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 10:45am - RustedAngel ""] I don't get it, just tell the owner of o'briens that you guys are not affiliated with white power, tell this nefac org. to fuck off or fight you all. [/end] |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 10:49am - litacore ""] ok, I gotta send 'em an e-mail. I'm left of center, my DAD was even more left than I (and was blacklisted by Fuckhead Joe McCarthy for it), but along with general political savvy I love music and particularly metal. So . . . this melts my brain. I'm not going to send them a hate rant, that's beneath my intelligence. I just want some clarifications from them. What they did makes very little sense to me. I'm not writing as a member of any organization, certainly not of Helvete or even my own BM band. Just as a native citizen of this cold and blustery state. anybody want to include their 2 cents, do it soon or e-me by Noon: litacore@att.net |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 10:57am - Falcifer ""] RustedAngel said:I don't get it, just tell the owner of o'briens that you guys are not affiliated with white power, tell this nefac org. to fuck off or fight you all. [/end] Don't think for once that I just got this email and that is it. Not by any stretch of the imagination. This has been going back and forth for the better part of a month. We got wind of this through a person who knows NEFAC... she said that we were on a "watch list" or "on their radar" for being a meeting place for white power. Then the phone calls to MY HOUSE started. Telling us to "stop" "its not right" "you should know better" "that is a white power band" and such... I have been dealing and trying to calm these people down. They were full on ready to set up a blockade of this months Helvete/CNV show. Period. We went to them and explained and talked... they decided to call the protest off, but to "keep watching"... I guess the club, as you read, didn't want the stigma or even deal with the "bad vibes"... we have already done a lot... quite frankly I am tired and the only thing that will keep me going is the PURE HATRED I now feel for this organization. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 10:57am - dan. ""] are you guys going to be playing soon? did you find a drummer? |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 11:04am - CNV? ""] no wonder, because CNV is white power. That band or someone in the band is responsible for posting all the white power propaganda on this board from time to time. There was a thread about a week ago suggesting racist beliefs... |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 11:13am - dan. ""] oh my god... i just realized nefac is the anarchocommunist group. these kids are the biggest fucking joke on the planet. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 11:19am - paganmegan ""] Why would anyone even consider a group that affiliates themselves with communism credible in the least? |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 11:21am - WhyamIandasshole ""] I cant even make sense of the website. It just made my eyes hurt and my dick drip. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 11:22am - RustedAngel ""] I don't understand that website at all either, looks like a pile of asshair. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 11:28am - the_reverend ""] as someone who has not been to one of these events, the only thing "white power" that I've heard from people is reports of someone doing the "seig heil" thing outside the club (when it was at the paradise), but don't blame the event cause one person was a retard at a show. it's too bad the commies don't have something better to do with their time.. like feed straving kids or something... maybe make a difference and save a life instead of "going for the glory" and crushing what people want or choose to do with their lives. Oh wait! feeding starving kids doesn't get you any glory or headlines so who the fuck would want to do that! |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 11:33am - dan. ""] i think anarchists are pretty fucking gay, but i can confidently say this has nothing to do with real anarchists who have (or at least think they have) much more important things to care about. i would love to go to a nefac meeting and hit everyone of those motherfuckers in the face with a flail. "anarcho communist" is the dumbest fucking thing ive ever heard in my life. GAY GAY GAY |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 11:37am - Christraper ""] CNV? said:no wonder, because CNV is white power. That band or someone in the band is responsible for posting all the white power propaganda on this board from time to time. There was a thread about a week ago suggesting racist beliefs... care to elaborate? |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 11:42am - paganmegan ""] If one person is racist, it doesn't make everyone around them racist, thats just as biased.. and who are these anarchocommie bastards to point fingers anyways? |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 11:44am - dan. ""] didnt you know that if you are in your band space getting drunk and calling your friends fags it automatically turns the entire building into a secret underground society hellbent on the destruction of human rights? you should know that!! |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 11:47am - paganmegan ""] dan. said:didnt you know that if you are in your band space getting drunk and calling your friends fags it automatically turns the entire building into a secret underground society hellbent on the destruction of human rights? you should know that!! Well, I guess these guys are gonna come after me next then |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 12:34pm - notCNV ""] Well, it's not just ONE person or band unfortunately. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 12:36pm - paganmegan ""] Well it sure as shit isn't everyone, and as long as no one is infringing upon anyone else's rights or well being, who gives a rat's ass what people's fucking beliefs are? |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 12:42pm - litacore ""] notCNV said:Well, it's not just ONE person or band unfortunately. well, NSBM bands/fans are fucking posers, even worse than fundamentalist christians:satancross: |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 12:45pm - dan. ""] (upper) middle class white guilt |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 12:48pm - korpse-l- ""] paganmegan said:Well it sure as shit isn't everyone, and as long as no one is infringing upon anyone else's rights or well being, who gives a rat's ass what people's fucking beliefs are? well put |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 12:49pm - paganmegan ""] Thanks, I'm a little pissed off about this I really look forward to helvete and it being cancelled because of a bunch of little bitches really brightens up my day |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 12:49pm - CNV? ""] well, if you have a white power band playing the event, of course you're going to draw attention to yourself... mr. CNV seems to know quite a bit about white power bands, see this thread: http://www.returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=12541 a quote from cnv: "A. It's politically correct to hate white people. Jews made sure of that. The media also encourages self hatred and guilt. B. Whites have turned into tolerant pussies because of christian tyranny and enlavement. We have to love thy neighbor!!! C. We are becoming the minority. D. It's only going to get worse. E. Good advice: Be like Thor and smash these motherfuckers in half with hammers!" |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 12:50pm - korpse-l- ""] that's exactly what they are... little bitches. fag, sissy, homo, queers. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 12:51pm - CNV? ""] another quote "post by CNV at Dec 10,2003 8:12pm The cover art posted is the rough draft the artist created. It is not complete. Sorry I caused so much confusion. All the members of the band are into European culture and such... Our bass player is actually a Swedish citizen. CNV is not a political band... The new CD will have a better production and the musicianship has improved in our opinion. As far as us being labelled rascists and such... We hate the blind support of our taxpaying dollars going to Israel and Zionism. White Pride, World Wide!" |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 12:54pm - assuck ""] I don't know how many times the point needs to be driven in, but because ONE band that plays Helvete happens to be a white power band on one level or another, it does not make Helvete night a white power meeting place in any way shape or form. i fucking hate hippies. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 12:55pm - litacore ""] CNV? said:another quote "We hate the blind support of our taxpaying dollars going to Israel and Zionism. White Pride, World Wide!" derp-dee-der! :middlefinger::middlefinger::middlefinger: |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 12:56pm - paganmegan ""] assuck said:I don't know how many times the point needs to be driven in, but because ONE band that plays Helvete happens to be a white power band on one level or another, it does not make Helvete night a white power meeting place in any way shape or form. i fucking hate hippies. If you try extra hard to be pollitically correct like this goddamn bozo it is fucking gay |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 12:57pm - CNV? ""] Listen, if you book a band with these beliefs, or even similar beliefs who make it known. You're going to be affiliated with them whether you like it or not. Solution, don't book these bands if you don't want to be a target by stupid organizations such as NEFAC. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:00pm - CNV? ""] "post by coldnorthernvengeance at Oct 30,2004 12:29pm Angry Aryans too white for you Our message is clear and drives you to kill getting away with murder is not hard to do Break in their house Poison all their food Filthy white bitch race traitor whore faggots with aids stalking out your kids shylock jew with beady little eyes Do it Now! They've got to DIE!!!! from Angry Aryan "Too White for You"" |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:00pm - pisscup ""] ok kids, I just gotta ask - what is NSBM? |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:01pm - pisscup ""] and you - CNV? you talk too much for an anonymous poster |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:01pm - pisscup ""] reveal yourself |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:03pm - Falcifer ""] CNV? said:Listen, if you book a band with these beliefs, or even similar beliefs who make it known. You're going to be affiliated with them whether you like it or not. Solution, don't book these bands if you don't want to be a target by stupid organizations such as NEFAC. Fact is we were on the NEFAC "radar" well before the booking of CNV... another thing aside from a few words, CNV said nothing that ANY pro-Palastein supporters have not said... |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:05pm - pisscup ""] you don't have to be a nazi to see the usa and israel in bed together. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:05pm - paganmegan ""] Music is music and most of the people that go to helvete go to appreciate it, and not for any pathetic political reasons.. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:05pm - litacore ""] CNV? said:"post by coldnorthernvengeance at Oct 30,2004 12:29pm Angry Aryans too white for you Our message is clear and drives you to kill getting away with murder is not hard to do Break in their house Poison all their food Filthy white bitch race traitor whore faggots with aids stalking out your kids shylock jew with beady little eyes Do it Now! They've got to DIE!!!! from Angry Aryan "Too White for You"" ter-teedlee-tum! :wiggam: |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:07pm - pisscup ""] paganmegan said:Music is music and most of the people that go to helvete go to appreciate it, and not for any pathetic political reasons.. exactly, I was gonna go to this show, I dig the metal. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:08pm - paganmegan ""] pisscup said:paganmegan said:Music is music and most of the people that go to helvete go to appreciate it, and not for any pathetic political reasons.. exactly, I was gonna go to this show, I dig the metal. I think thats just about where everyone is at |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:12pm - Falcifer ""] paganmegan said:Music is music and most of the people that go to helvete go to appreciate it, and not for any pathetic political reasons.. Exactly, this thread has gotten away from the sad fact is that regardless of your political affiliations Helvete was set up as a place to come hang out, network, what have you and listen to good metal music… this was taken away due to close-minded individuals who can’t see “the forest for the trees”. I am in no way "racist" and my ethnicity is FAR from aryan. I am proud of who I am and what I have done thus far in my life, but these people judged me before they knew what was going on... now that means war! |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:15pm - Christraper ""] I just sent them a letter. I doubt theyll see the reasoning behind it but at least i said something. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:16pm - dan. ""] if you care so much about what a band believes then go jerk off to aus rotten. who fucking cares man ITS METAL. i dont care if a band im listening to fucking supports murdering my parents. if their brutal then im into it. i dont care what they believe. im not purchasing their pamphlets, im into their music. music. if they dont suck, then alrite. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:21pm - CNV? ""] well, it's your own fault this is happening. maybe you'll think twice about booking anymore white power bands. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:23pm - dan. ""] ITS HIS OWN FAULT A BUNCH OF FUCKING RETARDS HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THAN TALK SHIT AND CAUSE EVENTS TO BE CANCELED? you are seriously the dumbest motherfucker on the planet |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:24pm - pisscup ""] dan. said:if you care so much about what a band believes then go jerk off to aus rotten. who fucking cares man ITS METAL. i dont care if a band im listening to fucking supports murdering my parents. if their brutal then im into it. i dont care what they believe. im not purchasing their pamphlets, im into their music. music. if they dont suck, then alrite. I drove like 300 miles to see Waco Jesus and if they were selling pamphlets, I would have bought one. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:26pm - Falcifer ""] CNV? said:well, it's your own fault this is happening. maybe you'll think twice about booking anymore white power bands. How is it my fault... once again we were "being watched" well before the booking of CNV. This is a fact. Explain to me how this is "my fault". Get the facts straight then you can accuse. Until then go bleed on someone elses parade... |
| _______________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:27pm - dan. ""] blast you in the face with my semen, blast you in the face with my fist! |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:27pm - paganmegan ""] Falcifer said:paganmegan said:Music is music and most of the people that go to helvete go to appreciate it, and not for any pathetic political reasons.. Exactly, this thread has gotten away from the sad fact is that regardless of your political affiliations Helvete was set up as a place to come hang out, network, what have you and listen to good metal music… this was taken away due to close-minded individuals who can’t see “the forest for the trees”. I am in no way "racist" and my ethnicity is FAR from aryan. I am proud of who I am and what I have done thus far in my life, but these people judged me before they knew what was going on... now that means war! They put forth this facade that they are so against holding biased opinions on any group, but look how they have lumped the metal community , as all being white power.. its fucking ridiculous to deprive people of the chance to hang out and listen to good music and have a drink, just because they need to make themselves feel fucking self-righteous |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:28pm - paganmegan ""] CNV? said:well, it's your own fault this is happening. maybe you'll think twice about booking anymore white power bands. You dumb prick:pukeface: |
| _______________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:36pm - CNV? ""] paganmegan said: You dumb prick:pukeface: dumb, and RIGHT. eat it. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:37pm - notCNV ""] paganmegan said:CNV? said:well, it's your own fault this is happening. maybe you'll think twice about booking anymore white power bands. You dumb prick:pukeface:Why? Are you racist? |
| _______________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:37pm - CNV? ""] yet anohter quote from the "LAST SHOW THREAD" "CATHACH at Aug 27,2004 3:10pm Hail to all for the support.We are trying to make this show worth going to and hope it is the first of many.I'd like to respond to the anti-Clearchannel comment.THEY ARE SCUM SO ARE THE LYONS BROTHERS! No doubt about that.The club itself is caught in the middle of these two corporate bastards and has been suffering for the last year.Neither company wants to part with one cent of their cash to maintain the operations.The Paradise is one of the best clubs in the country-or was.I've seen everyone from SSD to CANDLEMASS there so I know how full of shit CC/LG are when they say heavy music isn't 'do-able' at the club.CC finally realized that they won't make money if the club is closed so in their greed NOT out of the goodness of their hearts, they allowed the staff to book outside shows.CC takes 50% of the door-for doing nothing!-and we close the balcony to keep capacity down to 350.HELVETEBOSTON is not making any profit from this event.All the money will be split evenly between the four bands.WE will exploit CC/LG whenever possible to infiltrate and help build a stronger metal community.We would also like to invite any distro/label/zine etc. to come to the show and set up a table for merch.All are welcome except for Christians, Muslims, Jews,Juggaloes and Fred Durst.WOTAN MIT UNS." |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:38pm - assuck ""] haha i can hear these faggots' conversation now "let's play the 'are you racist?' card!" "yeah, that'll make them stop proving us wrong!" |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:39pm - the_reverend ""] NSBM = national socialist black metal |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:42pm - pisscup ""] damn, I'm stoned and surrounded by nazis. CNV reveal yourself |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:42pm - paganmegan ""] notCNV said:paganmegan said:CNV? said:well, it's your own fault this is happening. maybe you'll think twice about booking anymore white power bands. You dumb prick:pukeface:Why? Are you racist? If someone disagrees with you, are they instantly racist??hmmm |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:44pm - Jimmy Notanonymous ""] pisscup said:damn, I'm stoned and surrounded by nazis. CNV reveal yourself Is that better? It doesn't really matter anyways, you won't do shit. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:44pm - Falcifer ""] CNV? said:yet anohter quote from the "LAST SHOW THREAD" "CATHACH at Aug 27,2004 3:10pm Hail to all for the support.We are trying to make this show worth going to and hope it is the first of many.I'd like to respond to the anti-Clearchannel comment.THEY ARE SCUM SO ARE THE LYONS BROTHERS! No doubt about that.The club itself is caught in the middle of these two corporate bastards and has been suffering for the last year.Neither company wants to part with one cent of their cash to maintain the operations.The Paradise is one of the best clubs in the country-or was.I've seen everyone from SSD to CANDLEMASS there so I know how full of shit CC/LG are when they say heavy music isn't 'do-able' at the club.CC finally realized that they won't make money if the club is closed so in their greed NOT out of the goodness of their hearts, they allowed the staff to book outside shows.CC takes 50% of the door-for doing nothing!-and we close the balcony to keep capacity down to 350.HELVETEBOSTON is not making any profit from this event.All the money will be split evenly between the four bands.WE will exploit CC/LG whenever possible to infiltrate and help build a stronger metal community.We would also like to invite any distro/label/zine etc. to come to the show and set up a table for merch.All are welcome except for Christians, Muslims, Jews,Juggaloes and Fred Durst.WOTAN MIT UNS." While not the best choice of words it was explained that this is in refrence to organized religions... which yes I personally am 100% against. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:46pm - pisscup ""] the_reverend said:NSBM = national socialist black metal bah! it couldn't be any worse than me getting drunk and disco dancing to One Life Crew (whom I love, by the way). just don't beat me up kids. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:47pm - pisscup ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:pisscup said:damn, I'm stoned and surrounded by nazis. CNV reveal yourself Is that better? It doesn't really matter anyways, you won't do shit. but, CAN YOU KICKFLIP? |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:47pm - paganmegan ""] Falcifer said:CNV? said:yet anohter quote from the "LAST SHOW THREAD" "CATHACH at Aug 27,2004 3:10pm Hail to all for the support.We are trying to make this show worth going to and hope it is the first of many.I'd like to respond to the anti-Clearchannel comment.THEY ARE SCUM SO ARE THE LYONS BROTHERS! No doubt about that.The club itself is caught in the middle of these two corporate bastards and has been suffering for the last year.Neither company wants to part with one cent of their cash to maintain the operations.The Paradise is one of the best clubs in the country-or was.I've seen everyone from SSD to CANDLEMASS there so I know how full of shit CC/LG are when they say heavy music isn't 'do-able' at the club.CC finally realized that they won't make money if the club is closed so in their greed NOT out of the goodness of their hearts, they allowed the staff to book outside shows.CC takes 50% of the door-for doing nothing!-and we close the balcony to keep capacity down to 350.HELVETEBOSTON is not making any profit from this event.All the money will be split evenly between the four bands.WE will exploit CC/LG whenever possible to infiltrate and help build a stronger metal community.We would also like to invite any distro/label/zine etc. to come to the show and set up a table for merch.All are welcome except for Christians, Muslims, Jews,Juggaloes and Fred Durst.WOTAN MIT UNS." While not the best choice of words it was explained that this is in refrence to organized religions... which yes I personally am 100% against. Organized religions tend to love to brand people heretics for not adhereing to their dogmatic priniciples, which this annonymous poster of dubious intelligence seems to possess |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:48pm - Jimmy Notanonymous ""] paganmegan said: If someone disagrees with you, are they instantly racist??hmmm If someone isn't acknowledging the fact that a white power band was booked and obviously has regulars who share racist beliefs, then basically yes. Pretending to be blind and whine about this organization 'targeting your poor innocent metal community' isn't going to help anything. You need to target the problem (racism within your community) if you want to solve anything. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:50pm - litacore ""] I can rub my belly and scratch my head at the same time |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:51pm - korpse-l- ""] i hate all types of people. just like they hate me. suck my ball bag and choke on a fist full of pubic hair. |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:53pm - Jimmy Notanonymous ""] paganmegan said: Organized religions tend to love to brand people heretics for not adhereing to their dogmatic priniciples, which this annonymous poster of dubious intelligence seems to possess call me anonymous all you want. My name is Jim Anderson...I was born in 1975, my shoe size is 13. What else do you want to know you little shitbag? |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:54pm - pisscup ""] ok that's it. who wants to start a WHITE POWDER band with me? |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:54pm - assuck ""] i'm in |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:56pm - paganmegan ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:paganmegan said: If someone disagrees with you, are they instantly racist??hmmm If someone isn't acknowledging the fact that a white power band was booked and obviously has regulars who share racist beliefs, then basically yes. Pretending to be blind and whine about this organization 'targeting your poor innocent metal community' isn't going to help anything. You need to target the problem (racism within your community) if you want to solve anything. Its stupid to hate someone based on race. Its equally stupid to judge an entire group of people because of the beliefs of a few |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:56pm - pisscup ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:paganmegan said: Organized religions tend to love to brand people heretics for not adhereing to their dogmatic priniciples, which this annonymous poster of dubious intelligence seems to possess call me anonymous all you want. My name is Jim Anderson...I was born in 1975, my shoe size is 13. What else do you want to know you little shitbag? [img] |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:56pm - paganmegan ""] pisscup said:ok that's it. who wants to start a WHITE POWDER band with me? me as well |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:58pm - Falcifer ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:paganmegan said: If someone disagrees with you, are they instantly racist??hmmm If someone isn't acknowledging the fact that a white power band was booked and obviously has regulars who share racist beliefs, then basically yes. Pretending to be blind and whine about this organization 'targeting your poor innocent metal community' isn't going to help anything. You need to target the problem (racism within your community) if you want to solve anything. Good point repeatedly again a good point... and good of you to take the power to fix the wrong away from us and our community. Thanks for looking out for a whole community's best interest. Thanks for caring enough to remove any chance for us to even begin. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 1:59pm - paganmegan ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:paganmegan said: Organized religions tend to love to brand people heretics for not adhereing to their dogmatic priniciples, which this annonymous poster of dubious intelligence seems to possess call me anonymous all you want. My name is Jim Anderson...I was born in 1975, my shoe size is 13. What else do you want to know you little shitbag? You're a dick, and mean as well:moe::satancross::bartmoon: |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 2:01pm - assuck ""] paganmegan said:Its stupid to hate someone based on race. Its equally stupid to judge an entire group of people because of the beliefs of a few that pretty much sums up this whole situation. i'm done. let me know about that white powder band though |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 2:02pm - Jimmy Notanonymous ""] [img] |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 2:02pm - litacore ""] You stupid fucking cunt. You, (Notanonymous), I'm talking to you shithead. You just cost me six thousand dollars. That's right. Six thousand dollars and one Cadillac. What are you going to do about it? What are you going to do about it, asshole? You're fucking shit! Where did you learn your trade you stupid fucking cunt, you idiot?! Whoever told you that you could work with men?! Oh, I'm gonna have your job . . . I don't care who you know, whose nephew you are or who's dick you're suckin on, you're going out! I swear to you, you're going out! . . . What you are hired for is to help us. Does that seem clear to you? To help us, not to fuck us up. To help men who are going out there to try to earn a living, you fairy, you company man. I'll tell you something else. I hope you ripped the joint off, I could tell our friend here a little something might help him to catch you.You wanna learn the first rule you'd know if you ever spent a day in your life? You NEVER open your mouth till you know what the shot is. You fucking child. ---------------------- What Pacino (a.k.a. SHYLOCK) said to his boss in 'Glengary Glen Ross' (edited for the general context of this here thread) |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 2:04pm - litacore ""] I am so full of vitriol are we 10 on the mean scale yet? |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 2:04pm - notCNV ""] Does anyone remember the white power rally? Well the retards that came on here and talked shit? |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 2:04pm - pisscup ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:[img] wanna make out? |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 2:05pm - assuck ""] i got dibs on him |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 2:06pm - litacore ""] assuck said:i got dibs on him HAHAHAHA! :whipper: |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 2:07pm - paganmegan ""] Nope, I'm sodomizing him with a crowbar, maybe two |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 2:11pm - Jimmy Notanonymous ""] paganmegan said:Nope, I'm sodomizing him with a crowbar, maybe two ha! okay, pussy. CNV guy's and others, involved in this white power thread as well...how odd? http://www.returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=896 |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 2:14pm - coldnorthernvengeance ""] This is total fucking bullshit. First and foremost COLD NORTHERN VENGEANCE is NOT a political band. I am not a nazi. In fact I have nothing to do with any political organization. Second... Fuck all you PC faggots, fuck these commie motherfuckers, fuck anyone that stands in our way. Some people in Boston were sick of the pseudo metal scene and tried to create a TRUE scene in Boston but leave it to a bunch of ultra left wing faggots to ruin it for everyone. I'm gonna be sure to do plenty of research on these bastards. Bunch of snot nosed kids that need something to "piss and moan" about. If something does not fit their PC facsist mentality they do everything they can to get a show cancelled. Third... I appreciate what all the Helvete guys are doing and hope they continue. Don't let these faggots ruin Black Metal around Boston. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 2:14pm - litacore ""] sounds like someone on this thread is saying one thing and doin' another it's the great American way |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 2:17pm - paganmegan ""] coldnorthernvengeance said:This is total fucking bullshit. First and foremost COLD NORTHERN VENGEANCE is NOT a political band. I am not a nazi. In fact I have nothing to do with any political organization. Second... Fuck all you PC faggots, fuck these commie motherfuckers, fuck anyone that stands in our way. Some people in Boston were sick of the pseudo metal scene and tried to create a TRUE scene in Boston but leave it to a bunch of ultra left wing faggots to ruin it for everyone. I'm gonna be sure to do plenty of research on these bastards. Bunch of snot nosed kids that need something to "piss and moan" about. If something does not fit their PC facsist mentality they do everything they can to get a show cancelled. Third... I appreciate what all the Helvete guys are doing and hope they continue. Don't let these faggots ruin Black Metal around Boston. here here |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:05pm - Josh_Martin ""] Why is communism any less stupid than racism? |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:08pm - Christraper ""] Larissa you know this guy? |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:09pm - paganmegan ""] Josh_Martin said:Why is communism any less stupid than racism? Because they're the ones doing the finger pointing, of course |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:10pm - Jimmy Notanonymous ""] Everyone wish Josh Martin here a warm welcome to the discussion here, who has proved himself as a complete piece of dog shit previously. |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:12pm - Jimmy Notanonymous ""] In case you missed what Josh Martin just posted: Josh_Martin said: NIGGER Jimmy Notanonymous said:[img] LOVER only he edited his post because he's a pussy. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:13pm - Josh_Martin ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:Everyone wish Josh Martin here a warm welcome to the discussion here, who has proved himself as a complete piece of dog shit previously. Yeah, you chickenshit. I played in the most racist band ever next to Skrewdriver, never saw you morons at our shows. Too scared to fight people who really get violent? Anyway, I'm glad you think I'm dogshit, when a faggot like you hates me I know I'm right. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:15pm - Josh_Martin ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:In case you missed what Josh Martin just posted: Josh_Martin said: NIGGER Jimmy Notanonymous said:[img] LOVER only he edited his post because he's a pussy. Actually I edited because I couldn't get it to come out right. Right I'm totally afraid to say nigger. Since you seem to follow my posts around on the internet, you should know that by now. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:16pm - Ninkaszi187 ""] this is so fucking gay. what a great set we had planned. i was going to be doing vocals for cnv at this show. anyone that has a problem with that can confront me anytime they want. fukk off all poser hippy crust fags. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:17pm - the_reverend ""] paganmegan said:pisscup said:ok that's it. who wants to start a WHITE POWDER band with me? me as well black metal bands and goth bands have been doing that for years... [img] check the neck dude, white powder... |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:19pm - Jimmy Notanonymous ""] Chickenshit? you're the one editing your posts you sally. I've always been into music that is actually good, not shitty sounding music that you've always been involved in. Bring it on bitch, seriously. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:21pm - Josh_Martin ""] I like how people who supposedly stand up for people's rights are so anti-free speech. Collectively communists are the dumbest group of people on the planet. I've met retards with a better formed political outlook. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:23pm - Hooker ""] Helvete was cool. Great idea and much needed, but the only ones I've been to had dudes sig heiling eachother and shit. It's not that much of a suprise people got paranoid. Especially with the rumor mill that is Boston. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:24pm - Josh_Martin ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:Chickenshit? you're the one editing your posts you sally. I've always been into music that is actually good, not shitty sounding music that you've always been involved in. Bring it on bitch, seriously. Lame. Seriously lame. Your Daddy's waiting out side in his BMW. Better hurry, he's got your tuition check. Yes you are a chickenshit. You protest over the phone, not in person. Total fucking chickenshit. Bring what on? This is the internet you idiot. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:25pm - pisscup ""] Fight FIght Foight! |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:26pm - SINOFANGELS-RAY ""] Wow And I just Shaved My Head..... |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:27pm - Josh_Martin ""] I bet these idiots think they changed the world by shutting down a black metal show that maybe 50 people would've gone too. College students get dumber every year. |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:28pm - Jimmy Notanonymous ""] Hooker said:but the only ones I've been to had dudes sig heiling eachother and shit. It's not that much of a suprise people got paranoid. *ding ding* Hooker seems to be one of the few others in this thread with an ounce of intelligence. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:28pm - Hooker ""] I remember shaving my head last summer and I had big ass mutton chops still. I got on the train and hip hop high school just let out. I was surrounded by black kids and after a few stops noticed that the way I was holding onto the bar while standing up made me look like I was heiling. Shit was funny. Then I showed them all how I shaved a swaztika in my bush and we had a laugh. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:30pm - SINOFANGELS-RAY ""] And have alot of Tat fucking Toos......and love Black metal shit I'm doomed.... |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:30pm - Josh_Martin ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:Hooker said:but the only ones I've been to had dudes sig heiling eachother and shit. It's not that much of a suprise people got paranoid. *ding ding* Hooker seems to be one of the few others in this thread with an ounce of intelligence. Way to defend free speech. Tipper Gore appreciates your efforts though. |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:31pm - Jimmy Notanonymous ""] Josh_Martin said: College students are smarter than me. +1 |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:32pm - Josh_Martin ""] Next time some commie punk band plays at that gay place in Allston we should go down there with bats. I don't even care about black metal, but I would love to see this kid and his friends get hurt. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:35pm - Josh_Martin ""] Poor Jimmy has been reduced to quoting me and then changing the text. Gee, what a surprise he has nothing to say to me. Censors need to be killed. |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:36pm - Jimmy Notanonymous ""] I'm in no way involved with NEFAC, but I'm glad to see you're angry enough to want to hurt people. You'll really help the situation then. You are the solution to this. Kill yourself and you will have helped contribute to making the scene a better place. |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:36pm - coldnorthernvengeance ""] If a commie band plays at Obrien's let's make sure we let the club owner know that there is going to be a full scale riot in the streets if they play there. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:36pm - Josh_Martin ""] I think communism is responsible for more murders than racism. I don't think all the Klansmen in the country could equal Stalin. Never mind Pol Pot. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:36pm - Falcifer ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:Hooker said:but the only ones I've been to had dudes sig heiling eachother and shit. It's not that much of a suprise people got paranoid. *ding ding* Hooker seems to be one of the few others in this thread with an ounce of intelligence. I ran almost all of these nights and I personally never saw any of this. It is also to be said that I am also not denying that it went on either... not that I am condoning anyones actions but I ask this why is it not ok for some people to salute each other in this fashion? It is because of the racist history that all our collective memories serve up. Here is another question why is it then ok for the Czolgosz or NEFAC to use the red star or the hammer and sickle as logos? Aren’t these symbols just as offensive to the millions who also died as a result of soviet revolutions in Russia and other eastern bloc countries? Did we forget the mass extermination of Georgians and Albanians at the hands of communist lead revolts? |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:38pm - Hooker ""] Josh_Martin said:Jimmy Notanonymous said:Hooker said:but the only ones I've been to had dudes sig heiling eachother and shit. It's not that much of a suprise people got paranoid. *ding ding* Hooker seems to be one of the few others in this thread with an ounce of intelligence. Way to defend free speech. Tipper Gore appreciates your efforts though. I'm not defending or condoning. I'm just saying that if you want to walk around mimicking movements that the average person equates with the Nazi regime, be prepared for people to get paranoid. "but they're just proud to be white" well then they're retarded. Just like Puerto Ricans are proud to be Puerto Rican and wear huge airbrushed Puerto Rican flag sleeveless shirts with no sides so you can see their entire torso. Just like dipshits who get the fighting Irish guy tattooed on his shin in highschool. Just like the black dude who struts around in a shirt that says "I'm proud to be black". No one cares where your great grandfather grew up. You, just like the rest of us are worthless assholes. Get into it. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:38pm - anonymous ""] josh martin has contributed more to MA metal than almost anyone i can think of. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:39pm - Ninkaszi187 ""] ok, where do all these kids that shut helvete down hang out? |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:39pm - Josh_Martin ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:I'm in no way involved with NEFAC, but I'm glad to see you're angry enough to want to hurt people. You'll really help the situation then. You are the solution to this. Kill yourself and you will have helped contribute to making the scene a better place. I don't have to be angry to want to hurt people. Especially stupid people like you. Your defending NEFAC. An organization that acts as the right hand of the PMRC in the name of anti-racist action. Brilliant side you chose there kiddo. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:42pm - Josh_Martin ""] Ninkaszi187 said:ok, where do all these kids that shut helvete down hang out? The Ramrod? |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:42pm - Jimmy Notanonymous ""] yeah, clearly you're the brilliant one here. ^see above posts^ |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:44pm - Josh_Martin ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:yeah, clearly you're the brilliant one here. ^see above posts^ Thanks, seeing as you can't refute one thing I've said. Keep it up though. It helps when normal people see how stupid people like you really are. Josh defends free speech. Jimmy censors those who don't agree with him. Winner? |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:46pm - Hooker ""] Go down to downtown crossing and sig heil. Then just mumble something about Tipper Gore to get painlessly yourself out of the shit storm. It's fun. I used to do it when I was bored on Friday nights. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:46pm - swamplorddvm ""] This whole thing is retarded. If anybody knew ANYTHING about Helveteboston, they would know that it is NOT a "white power" thing or whatever the fuck the think it is. EVERYBODY that comes in to Helvete is treated with respect. Fucking cocks haven't heard the last of Helvete. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:47pm - Josh_Martin ""] Hooker said:Go down to downtown crossing and sig heil. Then just mumble something about Tipper Gore to get painlessly yourself out of the shit storm. It's fun. I used to do it when I was bored on Friday nights. Why would I do that? |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:47pm - Jimmy Notanonymous ""] of course a racist induvidual is going to defend free speech. I support free speech, just not your speech. Make sense? probably not to you. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:49pm - Christraper ""] dude youre an idiot. shut the fuck up. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:49pm - Ninkaszi187 ""] this is all just bullshit. poser punk kids trying to feel like a part of something. something "important". falcifer is one of the founders of helvete. he is not aryan like he said. obviously helvete is not some white power organization if so. CAN YOU RETARDED PC PUNKS UNDERSTAND THAT? A SPANISH GUY HELPS HOST HELVETE!!!! DERRRRRRR!!!!! i have seen all kinds people at helvete from metal heads, punks, and hardcore guys. total fucking bullshit. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:49pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said: If someone isn't acknowledging the fact that a white power band was booked and obviously has regulars who share racist beliefs, then basically yes. Pretending to be blind and whine about this organization 'targeting your poor innocent metal community' isn't going to help anything. You need to target the problem (racism within your community) if you want to solve anything. CNV? said:Listen, if you book a band with these beliefs, or even similar beliefs who make it known. You're going to be affiliated with them whether you like it or not. Solution, don't book these bands if you don't want to be a target by stupid organizations such as NEFAC. Wow, as an anarcho-libertarian I didn't even know that one of the central tenets of anarchism was censorship. I always thought it was a central tenet of having severe brain damage. Perhaps the NEFAC should drop the A. Aren't you supposed to be fighting for freedom of expression because our horrible AmeriKKKan society imposes so much censorship on you? And isn't CNV in line with NEFAC when he says that AmeriKKKa is in the wrong when it spends all of its capitalist blood money on the illegal state of Israel. I'm sure most of the NEFAC members' mommy and daddy drove an Audi,BMW, Mercedes, or Volkswagen at one point, does that make them Nazis? Does that mean they forced the Jews to build the engines in their 740i's and CLK's? Because that's the logic NEFAC is using to shut down Helvete. Severely impaired mental functions appear to be a recurring theme with the NEFAC. And what if NEFAC were to try to shut down Helvete? Would there be violence? Would you and your Newton Anarchy Crew attack people who just want to listen to music they enjoy? Isn't threatening a club and promoter illegal? Isn't that an extremely fascist course of action? |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:49pm - swamplorddvm ""] The funny thing is I NOT white, post there all the time. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:51pm - Josh_Martin ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:of course a racist induvidual is going to defend free speech. I support free speech, just not your speech. Make sense? probably not to you. It makes sense, because you obviously don't understand the concept of free speech. The whole point of free speech is to defend unpopular speech. Jeez this year's crop of college bozo's is fucking dumb. Keep putting your foot in your mouth and proving my point though. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:57pm - Josh_Martin ""] I hope whatever college that accpeted this idiot Jimmy offers a crash course on the ACLU. This kid has a lot to learn. |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 3:58pm - Jimmy Notanonymous ""] Josh, you lost a long time ago. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:01pm - Christraper ""] no he didnt you moron. josh owns you bitch. |
| ____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:01pm - Todd(bombshelter) ""] We never had any problems with supposed "White Power "Bands, actually there are a few that play here regularly and bring the biggest crowds,Serge don't give two shits what you are about as long as the club has people in it and there are relatively little problems.That said, I Think it is stupid to cancel a show because of rumors,suggestions and bad vibes |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:02pm - swamplorddvm ""] Shut up jimmy and sing up already. The only thing that needs to be said is Helveteboston is NOT white power and these "punks" should be shat upon. HAIL METAL! |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:03pm - Jimmy Notanonymous ""] Christraper said:no he didnt you moron. josh owns you bitch. yeah yeah, hopefully you don't choke on that dick that's in your mouth. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:03pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:<< If someone isn't acknowledging the fact that a white power band was booked and obviously has regulars who share racist beliefs, then basically yes. Pretending to be blind and whine about this organization 'targeting your poor innocent metal community' isn't going to help anything. You need to target the problem (racism within your community) if you want to solve anything.>> CNV? said:<<Listen, if you book a band with these beliefs, or even similar beliefs who make it known. You're going to be affiliated with them whether you like it or not. Solution, don't book these bands if you don't want to be a target by stupid organizations such as NEFAC.>> Wow, as an anarcho-libertarian I didn't even know that one of the central tenets of anarchism was censorship. I always thought it was a central tenet of having severe brain damage. Perhaps the NEFAC should drop the A. Aren't you supposed to be fighting for freedom of expression because our horrible AmeriKKKan society imposes so much censorship on you? And isn't CNV in line with NEFAC when he says that AmeriKKKa is in the wrong when it spends all of its capitalist blood money on the illegal state of Israel. I'm sure most of the NEFAC members' mommy and daddy drove an Audi,BMW, Mercedes, or Volkswagen at one point, does that make them Nazis? Does that mean they forced the Jews to build the engines in their 740i's and CLK's? Because that's the logic NEFAC is using to shut down Helvete. Severely impaired mental functions appear to be a recurring theme with the NEFAC. And what if NEFAC were to try to shut down Helvete? Would there be violence? Would you and your Newton Anarchy Crew attack people who just want to listen to music they enjoy? Isn't threatening a club and promoter illegal? Isn't that an extremely fascist course of action? |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:03pm - coldnorthernvengeance ""] CNV? said:"post by coldnorthernvengeance at Oct 30,2004 12:29pm Angry Aryans too white for you Our message is clear and drives you to kill getting away with murder is not hard to do Break in their house Poison all their food Filthy white bitch race traitor whore faggots with aids stalking out your kids shylock jew with beady little eyes Do it Now! They've got to DIE!!!! from Angry Aryan "Too White for You"" To the piece of shit who tried to make us look we wrote these lyrics FUCK OFF!!! Angry Aryans wrote the lyrics to this song and someone was asking about them on this particular thread. I don't take their lyrics seriously. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:05pm - Christraper ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:Christraper said:no he didnt you moron. josh owns you bitch. yeah yeah, hopefully you don't choke on that dick that's in your mouth. keep your fantasies to yourself fagmo. Theres a veritable encyclopedia of information flying at you from every which way that proves what a fucking moron you are yet all you have to say to back yourself up is "my point is made, read my posts" " your wrong im right" "look at me! im fighting for a cause! look at me look at me!" |
| ______________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:06pm - mOe ""] Black Metal and Racism are...yup, you guessed it...for Fags |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:07pm - Christraper ""] anonymous posts are for....yep you guessed it.....anonymous bitches |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:08pm - Jimmy Notanonymous ""] swamplorddvm said:Shut up jimmy and sing up already. The only thing that needs to be said is Helveteboston is NOT white power and these "punks" should be shat upon. HAIL METAL! The problem is not punks, The problem is not free speech, The problem is not nefac. The problem is racism, and clearly it exists within HELVETE. It's all your fault for letting these 'punks' who think they are from norway into your scene. Blame yourselves, it has come back to bite you in the ass. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:08pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:<< If someone isn't acknowledging the fact that a white power band was booked and obviously has regulars who share racist beliefs, then basically yes. Pretending to be blind and whine about this organization 'targeting your poor innocent metal community' isn't going to help anything. You need to target the problem (racism within your community) if you want to solve anything.>> CNV? said:<<Listen, if you book a band with these beliefs, or even similar beliefs who make it known. You're going to be affiliated with them whether you like it or not. Solution, don't book these bands if you don't want to be a target by stupid organizations such as NEFAC.>> Wow, as an anarcho-libertarian I didn't even know that one of the central tenets of anarchism was censorship. I always thought it was a central tenet of having severe brain damage. Perhaps the NEFAC should drop the A. Aren't you supposed to be fighting for freedom of expression because our horrible AmeriKKKan society imposes so much censorship on you? And isn't CNV in line with NEFAC when he says that AmeriKKKa is in the wrong when it spends all of its capitalist blood money on the illegal state of Israel. I'm sure most of the NEFAC members' mommy and daddy drove an Audi,BMW, Mercedes, or Volkswagen at one point, does that make them Nazis? Does that mean they forced the Jews to build the engines in their 740i's and CLK's? Because that's the logic NEFAC is using to shut down Helvete. Severely impaired mental functions appear to be a recurring theme with the NEFAC. And what if NEFAC were to try to shut down Helvete? Would there be violence? Would you and your Newton Anarchy Crew attack people who just want to listen to music they enjoy? Isn't threatening a club and promoter illegal? Isn't that an extremely fascist course of action? |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:08pm - Hooker ""] but...f... free speech. a.... |
| ______________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:09pm - mOe ""] I'm not annonymous, my name's right there i'm mOe..i just dont feel like registering is all that important |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:09pm - Josh_Martin ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:Christraper said:no he didnt you moron. josh owns you bitch. yeah yeah, hopefully you don't choke on that dick that's in your mouth. Woah, that sounded homophobic. I'm going to turn you in to the Gestapo, uh, I mean NEFAC. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:09pm - Christraper ""] why dont you crawl back up tipper gores pussy you little bitch |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:10pm - Jimmy Notanonymous ""] Christraper said:anonymous posts are for....yep you guessed it.....anonymous bitches moe isn't anonymous. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:12pm - Christraper ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:Christraper said:anonymous posts are for....yep you guessed it.....anonymous bitches moe isn't anonymous. what are you racist or something? |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:13pm - Jimmy Notanonymous ""] Christraper said:why dont you crawl back up tipper gores pussy you little bitch You're obviously a brainwashed little 17 year old who's role model is Josh Fucking Martin. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:14pm - swamplorddvm ""] mOe said:Black Metal and Racism are...yup, you guessed it...for Fags Listen up fuck face. I am Italian Spanish and Incan. NOT very white huh? Yet I'm (and many others) getting fucked over cause abunch of ass-wipes dicided that the history of Black Metal dictates OUR behavior and views. Are German-american sites evil too? We all know how bumpy their history was.:middlefinger: |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:14pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:<< If someone isn't acknowledging the fact that a white power band was booked and obviously has regulars who share racist beliefs, then basically yes. Pretending to be blind and whine about this organization 'targeting your poor innocent metal community' isn't going to help anything. You need to target the problem (racism within your community) if you want to solve anything.>> CNV? said:<<Listen, if you book a band with these beliefs, or even similar beliefs who make it known. You're going to be affiliated with them whether you like it or not. Solution, don't book these bands if you don't want to be a target by stupid organizations such as NEFAC.>> Wow, as an anarcho-libertarian I didn't even know that one of the central tenets of anarchism was censorship. I always thought it was a central tenet of having severe brain damage. Perhaps the NEFAC should drop the A. Aren't you supposed to be fighting for freedom of expression because our horrible AmeriKKKan society imposes so much censorship on you? And isn't CNV in line with NEFAC when he says that AmeriKKKa is in the wrong when it spends all of its capitalist blood money on the illegal state of Israel. I'm sure most of the NEFAC members' mommy and daddy drove an Audi,BMW, Mercedes, or Volkswagen at one point, does that make them Nazis? Does that mean they forced the Jews to build the engines in their 740i's and CLK's? Because that's the logic NEFAC is using to shut down Helvete. Severely impaired mental functions appear to be a recurring theme with the NEFAC. And what if NEFAC were to try to shut down Helvete? Would there be violence? Would you and your Newton Anarchy Crew attack people who just want to listen to music they enjoy? Isn't threatening a club and promoter illegal? Isn't that an extremely fascist course of action? |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:14pm - Christraper ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:Christraper said:why dont you crawl back up tipper gores pussy you little bitch You're obviously a brainwashed little 17 year old who's role model is Josh Fucking Martin. oh yea OBVIOUSLY! ive never even met josh. i just think youre retarded. :bartmoon: |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:16pm - Josh_Martin ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:swamplorddvm said:Shut up jimmy and sing up already. The only thing that needs to be said is Helveteboston is NOT white power and these "punks" should be shat upon. HAIL METAL! The problem is not punks, The problem is not free speech, The problem is not nefac. The problem is racism, and clearly it exists within HELVETE. It's all your fault for letting these 'punks' who think they are from norway into your scene. Blame yourselves, it has come back to bite you in the ass. Just because some dumbass, bored rich kid says its a problem, doesn't make it so. It wasn't a problem for anyone who ever attended Helvete no matter what color they were. This is America and you have the right to hate who you want. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:17pm - Josh_Martin ""] Christraper said:Jimmy Notanonymous said:Christraper said:why dont you crawl back up tipper gores pussy you little bitch You're obviously a brainwashed little 17 year old who's role model is Josh Fucking Martin. oh yea OBVIOUSLY! ive never even met josh. i just think youre retarded. :bartmoon: Didn't I meet you at that Cannibal Corpse show. Weren't you with me when I caught those two chicks pissing behind the bar across from the Palladium? Not that you know what my dick tastes like or anything else Jimmy is dreaming about. |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:18pm - Jimmy Notanonymous ""] swamplorddvm said: Listen up fuck face. I am Italian Spanish and Incan. NOT very white huh? Yet I'm (and many others) getting fucked over cause abunch of ass-wipes dicided that the history of Black Metal dictates OUR behavior and views. Are German-american sites evil too? We all know how bumpy their history was.:middlefinger: It's not you...thank CNV, Josh Martin, Christraper and people like them for reflecting their beliefs onto you and everyone else present at Helvete. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:18pm - swamplorddvm ""] Racism exist EVRYwhere but Helvete is NOT a white site. So fuck off. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:18pm - anarchist metalhead ""] I'm a huge fan of underground metal (black metal, viking, pagan, death, grindcore), but not upset to see an event that promotes white power bullshit get shut down (oh yeah, and you might want to check your facts on which group actually shut you down). Can't imagine O'Briens would be against metal nights in the future. They'll probably just not work with this specific group of nazi apologisists. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:19pm - Christraper ""] Josh_Martin said:Christraper said:Jimmy Notanonymous said:Christraper said:why dont you crawl back up tipper gores pussy you little bitch You're obviously a brainwashed little 17 year old who's role model is Josh Fucking Martin. oh yea OBVIOUSLY! ive never even met josh. i just think youre retarded. :bartmoon: Didn't I meet you at that Cannibal Corpse show. Weren't you with me when I caught those two chicks pissing behind the bar across from the Palladium? Not that you know what my dick tastes like or anything else Jimmy is dreaming about. no i definitely wouldve remembered that. maybe it was my drummer. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:19pm - Josh_Martin ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:Christraper said:why dont you crawl back up tipper gores pussy you little bitch You're obviously a brainwashed little 17 year old who's role model is Josh Fucking Martin. That's funny, coming from a brainwashed 18 year old who's role model is an organization that censors peoples music and beliefs. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:20pm - the_reverend ""] the funniest thing is that only crackers posted in this thread until m0e came along. ya's all just a bunchah wack ass crackahs. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:20pm - the_reverend ""] the funniest thing is that I once got tipper gore to do a radio promo for my station. it was, priceless. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:22pm - Josh_Martin ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:swamplorddvm said: Listen up fuck face. I am Italian Spanish and Incan. NOT very white huh? Yet I'm (and many others) getting fucked over cause abunch of ass-wipes dicided that the history of Black Metal dictates OUR behavior and views. Are German-american sites evil too? We all know how bumpy their history was.:middlefinger: It's not you...thank CNV, Josh Martin, Christraper and people like them for reflecting their beliefs onto you and everyone else present at Helvete. For the record, I never went to Helvete and I can count the number of black metal bands I like on one hand. I just hate censorship. I lived through the Ed Meese/Jerry Falwell/Tipper Gore 80's and this shit is not a joke to me. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:26pm - paganmegan ""] Josh_Martin said:Jimmy Notanonymous said:swamplorddvm said: Listen up fuck face. I am Italian Spanish and Incan. NOT very white huh? Yet I'm (and many others) getting fucked over cause abunch of ass-wipes dicided that the history of Black Metal dictates OUR behavior and views. Are German-american sites evil too? We all know how bumpy their history was.:middlefinger: It's not you...thank CNV, Josh Martin, Christraper and people like them for reflecting their beliefs onto you and everyone else present at Helvete. For the record, I never went to Helvete and I can count the number of black metal bands I like on one hand. I just hate censorship. I lived through the Ed Meese/Jerry Falwell/Tipper Gore 80's and this shit is not a joke to me. It is extremely sad when bands find themselves deprived of venues to play at because a handful of whack jobs decide they don't like what they are saying , even if these fucface censors don't even know what that is. Its about artistic expression and free speech |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:26pm - the_reverend ""] the weasels have it down man, it's a whole new age! who will babysit the babysitter? THE POWER OF LARD! |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:28pm - Josh_Martin ""] This is a perfect example of how the political spectrum is a circle. The more left you go, the closer you get to the right. The ultra-left now uses the same tactics that the religious right used in the 80's. Spreading lies about those with differing points of view and intimidating businesses that don't have the money to defend themselves. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:29pm - Josh_Martin ""] the_reverend said:the weasels have it down man, it's a whole new age! who will babysit the babysitter? THE POWER OF LARD! Which would you prefer, a computer or a gun? The sharks outlived the dinosaurs you know. |
| ______________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:30pm - mOe ""] haha, i like you a lot aaron |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:31pm - blue nli ""] hahahahahahahahah |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:34pm - Jimmy Notanonymous ""] mOe said:haha, i like you a lot aaron Mr. Martin has never met you, but he hates you already. He claims to be brilliant you know? |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:41pm - litacore ""] oh fuck this bullshit, I give up talk to the scrotum |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:44pm - Grimly Fiendish ""] Isn't O'briens the one censoring people since it was there decision to shut down the event? |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:45pm - Josh_Martin ""] Jimmy Notanonymous said:mOe said:haha, i like you a lot aaron Mr. Martin has never met you, but he hates you already. He claims to be brilliant you know? I'm not Aaron. Your reading comprehension is just as poor as your politics. I never claimed to be brilliant, I just come off that way when arguing with you. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:47pm - Josh_Martin ""] Grimly Fiendish said:Isn't O'briens the one censoring people since it was there decision to shut down the event? They fell for the bullshit that NEFAC fed them. OBriens deserves some slack though. They've done a lot of good in the past. NEFAC has never done anything except make dumb college kids think they're changing the world. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 4:48pm - Josh_Martin ""] I wish "Jimmy" would stop posting annonymously. Too much of a pussy to register. Way to stand for your convictions. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:03pm - anonymous ""] "NEFAC" didn't feed anybody any bullshit. Northeast Antifascists (overlapping membership, but still) let a few people know that one of the organizers was posting on white power boards, describing Helvete as an NSBM night, and inviting nazis--and started asking around about whether it was true. That organizer ended up approaching us, owning up to his politics, but telling us that that his politics weren't Helvete's. That was it. Everything else--the "blockade," NEFAC, Czolgosz, ARA, whatever--was 100% rumor mill generation. This is totally insane. Hell, some people in NEFAC are pissed off at us for getting a BM night shut down. Nobody "censored" anybody here. And it may be a reversible misunderstanding if everyone keeps a cool head. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:14pm - Hooker ""] Josh_Martin said:I wish "Jimmy" would stop posting annonymously. Too much of a pussy to register. Way to stand for your convictions. hahaha |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:21pm - Josh_Martin ""] anonymous said:And it may be a reversible misunderstanding if everyone keeps a cool head. Fine, you have one week to fix it. Otherwise its clobberin time. Next time, mind your own fucking business please. No one here ever gave you any shit for your dumbass communist beliefs. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:23pm - damnose ""] this just reeks of ignorance and hypocrisy. You can't marry an idea to a kind of music. That's just as stupid as saying "hey, some punk and hardcore bands are white power, so we should lobby for the cancellation of punk and hardcore shows." I don't see any difference. Punishing the group for the "sins" of a few never makes sense; in fact, it's the same kind of mentality that leads to racism, sexism, homophobia and many other things the NEFAC stands against. It's ridiculous that someone claimed we have to "solve the problem of racism within our own community." Isn't that like a city council giving the shaft to black neighborhoods because they haven't "solved the problem of crime" within their own community? stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid stupid. I could go on about how ridiculous this is, but there's really nothing to add. And I agree with NEFAC on a lot of things, but many of their ilk are just hypocrites. This summer I lived in a house full of "anarchist" punks; they were nice people and all, but rarely did the dishes (great sense of community there), left huge messes in the backyard after parties (way to be environmentally friendly), and eventually got everyone evicted. Oh, and they all had more money than I did. The Man sure was making life tough for them. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:28pm - anarchist metalhead ""] fix it? why should anyone "fix" what this asshole promoter on himself? he's the dumb fuck that took a good metal night and started injecting his own white power bullshit into it, and inviting NSBM bands. fuck him. hopefully some other metal fans will start up a new night, free of nazi crap, and we can actually have something of a metal scene in this town. it's not that hard to host a night once a month. take a cue from the punx: diy. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:31pm - the_reverend ""] pitty the poor trainer in the stable when the racehorse farts poison oak really is the aphrodisiac of the gods. next time we have sex, just pretend that I'm Ed Meese the weasels have it down, man it's a whole new age |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:32pm - Hooker ""] I remember kids that used to carve anarchy signs into the bleachers and shit in 7th grade. They all had dirt staches and no fathers. They were awesome. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:34pm - Ninkaszi187 ""] anarchist metalhead said:fix it? why should anyone "fix" what this asshole promoter on himself? he's the dumb fuck that took a good metal night and started injecting his own white power bullshit into it, and inviting NSBM bands. fuck him. hopefully some other metal fans will start up a new night, free of nazi crap, and we can actually have something of a metal scene in this town. it's not that hard to host a night once a month. take a cue from the punx: diy. what are you talking about? what promoter did this? which NSBM bands have played helvete? |
| _________________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:34pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] the "punx" can eat my shit. served as multiculturally as I can dump it out. the "punx" ruin everything that's good with their "we're so pc we're going to hurt people and destroy things that matter to people besides ourselves". I love how they always hurt someone or do something that causes a lot of pain for other people, then slap on their woefully ignorant tells of "justice". "Anarchist metalhead", take a look in the mirror. When you hurt someone else, no matter what your beliefs, you are hurting another human. Go rape someone in the name of justice again, jerk. How's it feel to be insulted? |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:37pm - dave form NEFAC ""] OK OK heres a little food for thought, I\'m a NEFAC member from montreal. I decided to check this site out cause I heard from a friend in Boston that NEFAC was gettin slagged. For the record I\'m not a collage student, or peace punk, I Love metal, I\'m proud of my European heritage and I hate to see people get there scene shut down... but, it wasn\'t NEFAC who shut it down(I heard about it after the fact), It was Northeast Antifachist(A group I also support). If people who are proud of there heritige would stand up to fucking wankers who are fucking racist(or homaphobic for that matter) others wouldn\'t have to step in and take care of buisness. Its not fuckin oK for nazis(or homephobes) to hang out and have a good time without being confronted because they end up hurting people. They recruit, even if that means just making their views somewhat acceptable in a music scene, and that spreads. We used to have a huge Nazi/white power problem in montreal, lots of people got fucked up(including young children who happened to be the wrong color in the wrong neigborhood) and the only way it stopped was for people to stop tolorating it and shutting everything they did down. People who really care about freedom and equality can't afford to wait and see if people who seem to tolerate these ideas will get around to doing something about it when it gets out of controll. I hope you guys can seen this as an unfortunate, and possibly misshandled on all sides, learning experience and re organize the scene with no tolerance for racism, and don't call each other dicks or faggs to try and prove how manly you are, it come across to me more like insecurity. In closing metal rules, pride in your heritage is also ok if it dosn't get mixed up in intolerance and my ancient god has got a bigger hammer than your ancient god bullshit... Dave, as not anonymous as i can be from another city PS as ANARCHIST communists we don't beleive in a state, we were infact the only people who took a really principled stand throughout history against marxism(not just "fuck commies" cause they wanna take our money away, yep you guessed it most NEFAC members are working class and proud!) |
| _________________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:39pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] It rubs me the wrong way when kids do harmful shit in the name of justice. I wish the "punx" in boston would grow up. How many more people / places / communities need to get shit on cause some punk labels it as not-DIY / not-multicultural / etc etc? Half the time they work for what they are against. I have seen more punks do fucked up, hateful, hurtful, destructive things then most of the people the oppress. I hate to be so pissed off but I mean what the fuck...It's a little ridiculous. UP THE PUNX! |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:42pm - KeithMutiny ""] i left the punk scene for those reasons, thanks nick, least someones got a head on thier shoulders |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:42pm - anarchist metalhead ""] so, exactly who did I hurt? i posted my opinion on a message board. sorry if you feel "raped" by my opinion. really, i hope my two or three offending sentences are the worst horror you have to endure this week. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:43pm - Hooker ""] If sitting at the pit in Harvard square all day, smelling like taco meat and begging for change means revolution, consider me Nathan Fucking Hale. -some overtly political numbnuts. |
| _________________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:44pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] dave from NEFAC - you make a good point, but the end doesn't justify the means a lot of the time. How can we teach tolerance by being intolerant? How can we teach diversity by stamping out everything that doesn't fit our perspectives? You say that eliminating the nazi / white power groups in your area did a good thing, but I question what must have gone on to make that happen. Isn't elimination of ANY culture / community counter productive to diversity? |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:44pm - KeithMutiny ""] hooker, dont forget drinking cider and scaring the working class fellows that try and walk by you to get on the train |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:46pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] I hope you guys can seen this as an unfortunate, and possibly misshandled on all sides, learning experience and re organize the scene with no tolerance for racism, and don't call each other dicks or faggs to try and prove how manly you are, it come across to me more like insecurity. This was not misshandled on all sides, it was misshandled on one side. There wasn't racism in the scene as numerous posters have already posted. The scene does not need to be re organized, Helvete's closing was the product of an ignorant group of PC watchdogs from outside the scene. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:48pm - KeithMutiny ""] ...excuse me kids... shouldnt you be burning down nike town? |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:49pm - litacore ""] well, according to dave NEFAC and anarchist metalhead, it's just going to have to be tough binnies for us. We've been put in our place, nazis and homophobes that we are. Christ. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:49pm - KeithMutiny ""] i remember seeing aus rotten one time and the dude dropped a pack of marlboros while he was playing... in that senario it was the funniest thing ive ever seen |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:50pm - Hooker ""] Dude. Couple nights ago, me and so and so totally smashed some of the lights out of Old Navy's store front sign. It was awesome. Oh I'm sorry. I don't drink any large brand name sodas. Do you have anything local? -some kid from that band the Goonies years ago |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:50pm - KeithMutiny ""] hey lita, do you have that skrewdriver collection i let you borrow? i need some rally songs |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:51pm - KeithMutiny ""] Hooker said:Dude. Couple nights ago, me and so and so totally smashed some of the lights out of Old Navy's store front sign. It was awesome. Oh I'm sorry. I don't drink any large brand name sodas. Do you have anything local? -some kid from that band the Goonies years ago i used to hang out with a few of those kids... like 5 years ago |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:54pm - dave form NEFAC ""] OK for starters, NEFAC did abosoltuely nothing,and I mean nothing. Second Northeast Antifachist olooked into rumers of white power organizing, the promoter who had infact posted on white power sites, advertising the night as such came forward to p[eople in NA with his white power politics asked them not to do anything because his politics didn't represent the scene. In the end Northeaster antifachist didn't do anything other than tell this story to a few people. Then the club shut it down. I think your folling yourselves if you think any leftist group in the US is strong enought to shut anything down by doing nothing... If all it took was a roomers from some "commies" to shut shit down the revolution would be over and done with now... |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:55pm - anarchist metalhead ""] wait, so people are whining about Niketown getting smashed up and the need to "embrace diversity of cultures... even nazis" and the anarchists are getting called pc liberals? |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:55pm - Hooker ""] Yeah I did a few times. Some of them were just weird. I recently saw one of them at this march downtown just before elections. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:56pm - KeithMutiny ""] theres only one canadian i believe on this website |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:57pm - KeithMutiny ""] anarchist metalhead said:wait, so people are whining about Niketown getting smashed up and the need to "embrace diversity of cultures... even nazis" and the anarchists are getting called pc liberals? dont listen to my ex-punk niketown bullshit, im being a smart ass, pick up on that |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:59pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] National Socialist Black Metal isn't something you can learn by reading a book or sitting in a classroom. It's not something you can teach your friends or parents who don't know what it is. NSBM is a way of life, NSBM is OUR way of life. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:59pm - Bulldog45 ""] I drink at O'Briens all the time. I would guess that your problem might be that some of the bouncers and staff are pretty fuckin cool and have no tolerance for nazi scum like CNV in their place. Can you blame them? |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 5:59pm - Falcifer ""] Everone involved or cares please read the following letter from the northeast antifacist this explains a lot and I for one hope it starts to lend itself to help stop what has started. I for one let my emotions get away from myself (it happens when something you work very hard gets shut down by the actions of a few). I am guity of this, but if we work together and calm down I think everything will eventually be ok. We have a longer public statement coming out on this whole mess soon >but, since you came to us directly and were clearly willing to >participate in a dialogue, we have to let you know: > >1) we did NOT go behind your back after you talked with us. > >2) we did NOT put out any call for a "blockade," nor any public >action, and have no idea where that particular rumor started. > >3) after you contacted us directly and owned up to your politics, we >came to an internal group consensus to resolve these issues through >dialogue with various parties involved. > >4) we had NO intention to have Helvete as a whole canceled, >especially after it was confirmed that politics aren't (or don't >have to be) a part of the night. > >5) "The lead singer from Czolgosz" is NOT currently a part of >Northeast Antifascists, and has not been for years. We contacted >him, as someone we knew with associations throughout the scene, to >ASK AROUND about what was up with Helvete. He came back to us >confirming that Helvete is NOT an NSBM night (despite how YOU >advertised it on the Panzerfaust forum), and reminded us that there >was no reason to do anything rash about it. We agreed. We heard the >same from other sources too. > >People are saying some things about "retaliation" against him >specifically, which is completely absurd because he had absolutely >nothing to do with our investigation and especially nothing to do >with Helvete getting the plug pulled. Please let people know (we see >the Helvete forum is members-only, feel free to share this email >there) that this guy had nothing to do with creating this >misunderstanding. > >6) While we're at it, people are also talking about "retaliation" >against NEFAC. We're not a part of NEFAC-Boston, though there's >overlapping membership; NEFAC-Boston folks outside our group had no >knowledge whatsoever of any of this shit. > >You came to us explaining that our political beef was with you, not >Helvete, and we took your word for it. Now we're coming to you >saying that (for starters) your beef is with us, not with NEFAC, and >especially not with any members of Czolgosz. We understand that >everybody is all pissed off, but rest assured that if everyone stays >calm and refrains from doing stupid things based on rumors, we may >be able to approach O'Brien's management and discuss with them how >this misunderstanding happened. > >MJ |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:02pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] Who gives them the authority to declare your politics wrong, Falcifier? Why do you have to "own up" to holding those views? NEAF get the fuck out of our scene. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:04pm - Bradness ""] possible homersexual |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:07pm - dave form NEFAC ""] The canadian "outsider" has left the building hope you get your night back Think about what I said about racism and homophobia |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:08pm - Falcifer ""] Nobody has any right to call my politics wrong. I have made peace with myself and know where I stand in life and what exactly leads my decisions that are made on a daily basis. I am simply stating I let my emotions get away from me and am trying very hard to fix what was a small but strong metal night. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:10pm - Falcifer ""] By the way I posted that letter second hand the "beef" they are describing is with someone else and not me or Helvete personally. Context is evrything. Sorry for the confusion. |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:13pm - coldnorthernvengeance ""] Bulldog45 said:I drink at O'Briens all the time. I would guess that your problem might be that some of the bouncers and staff are pretty fuckin cool and have no tolerance for nazi scum like CNV in their place. Can you blame them? WE ARE NOT A FUCKING NAZI BAND!!!!! This whole situation is fucking blown out of proportion. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:18pm - RustedAngel ""] [img][img] |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:22pm - the_reverend ""] ooooh.... it wasn't the Judean People's Front, it was the People's Front of Judean! |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:26pm - KeithMutiny ""] for the record, i laugh at the false belief that anarchy could or would possibly even exhist. its an immature mentality that chaos and misled sub-culture could devise a routine for even a daily dependance. no roads, no laws, no goverment or state... come on guys, lets be serious... yea, we'll overide the empowered forces so that... we can just be taken over by the next closest when our "anarchist" society has no strength or organisation to fend them off. Grow up, your not 13 and hot topics closed, get a fuckin job, and realise the depth of a true reality you "strive" for... |
| __________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:29pm - litacore ""] the_reverend said:ooooh.... it wasn't the Judean People's Front, it was the People's Front of Judean! It thought we were the Popular Front. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:29pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] Wait, I thought we were fighting the National Front. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:36pm - Hooker ""] So wait... where's the Mutant Liberation Front come into play? |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:36pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] I heard that Mutant League Football was on for this weekend. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:42pm - succubus on call ""] wow..i read just about everything.. damn is this site popular.. heh on a serious note ...racism sucks and like it or not a few bad apples set a bad example..(from posts i read about people maknig gestures and honestly, i had heard that before as well, and from the info in the 2nd letter posted) i think it's awesome that falcifer posted the letters and tried to clear everything up |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:43pm - KeithMutiny ""] full frontal mutilation? |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:44pm - Hooker ""] [img] There's gonna be a cold front coming through this weekend. Worse than the last. Seems the damn Commies are blasting frigid, red air all over the northeast with a contraption known as the great colderator. Back to you, Fran. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 6:46pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Who the fuck are these retards to tell us what to tolerate in OUR scene? Cathach is a great guy and a great friend. I don't support his beliefs, but I support Helvete wholeheartedly and I don't think anyone who has spoken against the event has actually been. Everyone who has been has neutral feedback at the very worst, but honestly, you're just a total pussy if you get all up in arms about seeing some drunk fucks joking around by throwing Roman salutes. I think Jimmynotanonymous, anarchistmetalhead and Dave from NEFAC need a lesson in minding their own business. Since when did their ideals become something that we should all strive for? Wow, you don't tolerate racism in any form, good for you... Some of us, like the Helvete promoters and myself listen to bands on both the right and left sides of the political spectrum and bands on both the white and black side of the ethnic spectrum - this "if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem" attitude towards racism is extremely flawed, in two ways. First of all, there is no black and white when it comes to culpability, unless you are of a simple, unevolved mindset, such as those that caused things like the Spanish Inquisition, and yes, the Jewish Holocaust. Secondly, while I personally find racism to be incorrect on an intellectual level and some elements of racism (such as racial violence and complete prejudice) wrong on a personal moral level, I still acknowledge that there is no universal right or wrong to ANYTHING. When you moralize to us, it is strictly on the basis of your own beliefs and your own community's values, yet you cannot offer proof that this is universally wrong/immoral. There is no universal proof that anything is right or wrong, and all you can offer for "proof" is past history of people in certain scenes, aka stereotyping, guilt by association, etc. How is that any different from racism? By the way, the elements of "racism"/"racialism"/race-related thinking I don't find "wrong" on a personal level? Humor and color/race conciousness. I don't see how anyone could be offended by these. Taste in humor is subjective and as entertainment, in my eyes, totally free from moral judgement. And even the most anti-racist, PC, hippie retard is still concious of the physical differences between different ethnic groups. They will still likely refer to someone as "the black person" (or "African-American person" or whatever - I've even heard non-American blacks referred to as African-Americans, it's pathetic), when pointing out someone in a crowd, but will more likely refer to a white person's features or a clothing article. It is impossible, unless you are blind and deaf to remove all conciousness of race from the mind, and the people that try to deny/suppress this are defying their own nature. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 7:24pm - The Terminator ""] LOL. Half these rumor-starting infantiles dont even know what or where the swastika came from or what it means. If you guys start to worry about what every mush brain thinks, your in for many battles. Dont yap with people like this. Ignore them. Sometimes people have to be dealt with in the harshest possible manner. Sometimes people need to be corrected. Cold Northern Vengeance sings about old European ways, beliefs, and culture. Any peabrain, juvenile fool who interprets this as "racist" etc., needs to be taken to the motherland and executed. This organized Leftist group that is being spoken of that supposedly got this show cancelled, is using libel, slander, and defamation of character to achieve its goal. This is ILLEGAL. Any organized group using libel to strongarm somebody into cancelling a show is performing illegal acts and needs to be reported, and I would promptly contact a local attorney to entertain the idea of filing a claim against said group. You will have an even better case if your band is part, or all, of your personal income. At that point, the claim would come to include lose of wages, and you might be able to chalk up mental distress as well (caused by not being able to pay your bills etc.). |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 7:26pm - Hooker ""] yeah great the swastika started out as a symbol of peace and all that shit. we know. wear it around. see how people on the street react. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 7:31pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Hooker said:yeah great the swastika started out as a symbol of peace and all that shit. we know. wear it around. see how people on the street react. Why advocate not having a backbone? Yes, the smart thing to do to ensure your own survival is to not go out of your way to invite harrassment, but giving moral authority to the "people on the street" is sheer spinelessness. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 7:33pm - Hooker ""] Giving moral authority? I'm not giving shit to anyone. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 7:45pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Then why worry about offending people with a shirt or patch? |
| ________________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 7:57pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] [img] clearly some evil and racist people. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 8:00pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] National Socialist KENO |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 8:00pm - Hooker ""] I'm not. If I believed in that shit, I'd most likely wear it. I just don't see the need to resurrect symbols and mannerisms like the swastika and the sig heil salute. It just does more harm than good. No matter what their origins may have been, they do more harm than good. |
| ________________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 8:09pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] Hooker said:I'm not. If I believed in that shit, I'd most likely wear it. I just don't see the need to resurrect symbols and mannerisms like the swastika and the sig heil salute. It just does more harm than good. No matter what their origins may have been, they do more harm than good. so when i took a picture with Crisis's gtr player, who just happens to be black and was wearing a shirt that said vote Republican and had a swastika on it. are you saying he was causing harm ? also, you know, you have something in your eye. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 8:31pm - Hooker ""] whiskey_weed_and_women said:Hooker said:I'm not. If I believed in that shit, I'd most likely wear it. I just don't see the need to resurrect symbols and mannerisms like the swastika and the sig heil salute. It just does more harm than good. No matter what their origins may have been, they do more harm than good. so when i took a picture with Crisis's gtr player, who just happens to be black and was wearing a shirt that said vote Republican and had a swastika on it. are you saying he was causing harm ? also, you know, you have something in your eye. If the text wasn't visible, he might have. I wouldn't have been bitching about it, but some people might have. Don't get me confused with the people who flip out over this stuff. |
| ________________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 8:41pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] naw the text on the shirt was right up front and the swastika was huge on the shirt. if i had it on my computer i'd post it but it's besides the point. i just think shit like this is sstupid, like stopping kids from skateboarding or rollerblading places. if you dont give people things to do, they will find things and it's usually when they are out hurting people. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 8:56pm - Hooker ""] It's the same in the fact that most people react first, ask questions later, but skateboarding was never tied in with nazi germany. Kind of a stretch. |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:04pm - coldnorthernvengeance ""] EVERYONE BE CAREFUL THE THOUGHT POLICE ARE WATCHING!!!! Be sure to tow the pc party line and you'll be able to play in a death metal or hardcore band around Boston. No black metal bands though!!!JUST REMEMBER TO ACT THE SAME AND THINK IN THE SAME WAYS AS THE LEFT WING COMMUNISTS AND YOU'LL BE OK... REMEMBER THE THOUGHT POLICE ARE WATCHING!!!!! |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:10pm - Kronos ""] Listening to all the whining on this list,you'd think this board was some fuckin hippie forum. I don't care if the Anarchist and Communists want to back peddle on this. I'm not political, but I've had members of my family murdered in concentration camps so I have no fuckin tolerance for nazi trash. If I catch any of you fuckwits at a metal show, you can bet I will strangle you with my bare hands. If you want to have it out in the streets with pipes and chains, fuckin fine. There is no room in the metal scene for you scum. |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:16pm - coldnorthernvengeance ""] Who are the nazis? Where are all these nazi people at the Helvete shows? Hmmm... |
| ________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:21pm - Hooker ""] I never said there were nazis at any of them. I'm saying people thought there were because of sig heiling and shit. Do whatever you want. Cause and effect. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 9:58pm - bornsovile nli ""] this is gay. I was REALLY looking forward to seeing CNV next week. it's irritating to see a bunch of fucks from an totally conflicting scene who know nothing about helvete take it into their hands to sterotype and discriminate against people, largely based off of arguments and opinions developed from internet message boards. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 10:00pm - Hooker ""] Tis a shitty thing. |
| __________________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 10:16pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] Kronos said:Listening to all the whining on this list,you'd think this board was some fuckin hippie forum. I don't care if the Anarchist and Communists want to back peddle on this. I'm not political, but I've had members of my family murdered in concentration camps so I have no fuckin tolerance for nazi trash. If I catch any of you fuckwits at a metal show, you can bet I will strangle you with my bare hands. If you want to have it out in the streets with pipes and chains, fuckin fine. There is no room in the metal scene for you scum. good idea man. It's funny, cause I thought, and I probably misread you, but I thought you were saying you were going to violently eliminate a group of people based on their beliefs. It's weird...I think I just read things funny. It just looks like that, you know? It looks like you said that you want to oust a group of people based on beliefs. I get all confused cause I thought that's what happened in those camps...they hurt people based on nothing more than what they believed. But fuck me man, I mean, I got low reading comprehension or something. |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 11:18pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] If, I say if because Helvete has never booked a Nazi band, a Nazi band were booked to play Helvete I would gladly pay the three dollars to see them if I liked their music. I don't sympathize with Nazi beliefs at all, but I can look past the statements of such musicians and enjoy their musical output. I've made my opinion on Varg known various times on this board yet I still listen to Burzum on a regular basis. NSBM isn't typical Neo-Nazi hatecore bullshit, the lyrics aren't all variations on "Kill niggers, kill spics, kill kikes, kill gooks. I'm white, I'm white, therefore I'm better than you" In fact you'd be hard pressed to find NSBM lyrics containing racial epithets because for most bands the NS part is kept out of their music and reserved for interviews and liner notes. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 25,2005 11:47pm - yummy ""] there's definitely some confusion.. no,no you're right. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:09am - czolgosz singer ""] Falsifier, You and I have known each for a long time. You never contacted me once. Why the fuck are spreading rumors about me? First of all, I never called your house harrassing you. I called our 'freind' who was at your house and asked to speak to your roomate about the show. This happened twice in one night, this was last week. I was asked by people in antifa to find out what was going on in Helvete night. Lots of people in boston had been talking about this night as being something that it is not. There are lots of racist comments. So naturally an anti-fascist group would look into this. No one in antifa, nor myself jumped to conclusions. I went directly to the source and asked what was going on, as I know people involved in Helvete. Yes, some people (not you) came to me, and we discussed what was up, I appreciated this visit, and passed along to antifa that Helvete is NOT a white power event, it is a black metal event. And naturally, some NSBM people and music will be there, but it is NOT an political event. I believed everyone who told me that in Helvete, and I still do. I did not ever tell O'briens to shut down this event. Nor did antifa ever put a call for any action against Helvete. A lot of people in boston have shit to say about Helvete. I actually went to the people who organze the event, heard and respected what they had to say, and passed it along to an anti-fascist group who listened and did not call for an action to shut down or disrupt Helvete. So now you point me out as some middleclass college hippie, Beacuase I went out to try to find out what was going on and stop all this shit talking and rumor mongering. Now you go out and encourage violence against me? I am probably the only person in boston who is against racism who is not a 'pussy', I went behind nobody's back, I sabatoged nothing, I asked questions to the organizers about the concerns, and when organizers came to me, I listened and discussed, and it was understood that I would do nothing against Helvete. Yes I am on tour now, and can not really defend myself on the interenet all day. But you are way off in accusing me of this shit. Also, I hate state communists too. Stalin is as pathetic as hitler. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:31am - SINOFANGELS-RAY ""] Can't we all be freinds and share a juce Box... |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:37am - JonahBloodbath ""] CNV? said:Listen, if you book a band with these beliefs, or even similar beliefs who make it known. You're going to be affiliated with them whether you like it or not. Solution, don't book these bands if you don't want to be a target by stupid organizations such as NEFAC. word |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:41am - JonahBloodbath ""] coldnorthernvengeance said:This is total fucking bullshit. First and foremost COLD NORTHERN VENGEANCE is NOT a political band. I am not a nazi. In fact I have nothing to do with any political organization. Second... Fuck all you PC faggots, fuck these commie motherfuckers, fuck anyone that stands in our way. Some people in Boston were sick of the pseudo metal scene and tried to create a TRUE scene in Boston but leave it to a bunch of ultra left wing faggots to ruin it for everyone. I'm gonna be sure to do plenty of research on these bastards. Bunch of snot nosed kids that need something to "piss and moan" about. If something does not fit their PC facsist mentality they do everything they can to get a show cancelled. Third... I appreciate what all the Helvete guys are doing and hope they continue. Don't let these faggots ruin Black Metal around Boston. you're a moron. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:58am - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] Why is antifa investigating shows in the first place? Are they some sort of government authority? Has there been some illegal activity at Helvete that the public is not aware of? Is Helvete really just a front for a drug syndicate that forces small children to cook meth in the backroom of whatever club CNV happens to be playing? No, antifa are "investigating" shows because they are hypocrites and use fascist scare tactics to shut down shows they don't agree with. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:11am - Cryptic Anthony ""] Helvete getting shut down sucks. Boston needs all the metal it can get. I really don't think that shutting down something that allows people to get together and appreciate music, an art form, is a help to diversity and multiculturalism. Somehow I get the impression (and I'm sure this is an unfair generalization in some ways) that this authoritarian "antifa" group is a bunch of sheltered meddling white people who really don't understand what multiculturalism is all about. Censorship is INTOLERANT and INTOLERANCE does not aid multiculturalism. Are there any examples of violence or strife that had something to do with a Helvete night? If there are, I'd really like to know. What are the concerns of those responsible for "investigating" Helvete? Were they afraid of violence occurring at or around Helvete or people who attend Helvete going out and committing hate crimes? I guess I just don't really understand this whole situation. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:21am - mikehuntstinks ""] I am going to book josh martin night at o'briens! that would rule nigga:skull: |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:27am - alex berkman. ""] half of you using the word "fascist" in this thread have no idea what it means. get thee to a dictionary. that, and getting the night shut down was never the goal. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:33am - alex berkman. ""] "I think Jimmynotanonymous, anarchistmetalhead and Dave from NEFAC need a lesson in minding their own business" you know, like a good german. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:35am - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] [img] |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:36am - Sinistas ""] Falcifer said:I am simply stating I let my emotions get away from me and am trying very hard to fix what was a small but strong metal night. Hopefully you've caught this before it wrecked the chances of saving Helvete in the long term. Of course the natural instinct is to fight back, but especially in a situation like this, it will just reinforce the opposing position (regardless of who was right or wrong). Taking a step back, and looking at the situation from both angles will often help get things resolved quicker, and hopefully everybody comes out of it with a little more understanding. God damn, I sound like a guidance counselor. Somebody get me a screwdriver! |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 2:48am - horror_tang ""] Boycott?! What a bunch of shitstains. If they really believed in what they were doing they would shed some blood for their cause. Instead they'll hound a club into having it shut down. I really hate myself and my belief system so I am officially boycotting my own band. I will now be playing all shows without being on my meds. Furthermore, I am going to shout "rock out with your cock out" between songs. Then I am going to pee standing down so that I may further understand the meaning of life. Maybe we're in luck at last. Who's to say that is not Matool? This so-called anarchist group is doing nothing more than running a blood drive that is really a pyramid scheme perpitrated by Dracula and his night slaves. I therefore will make them wait in line for tp outside my home. Then I will drench them with cologne and arm deodorant and pretend my name is Dr. Ernest P. Rockefeller, the hater of all things cheese. Eat shit?! Ha ha, you know who you are. Finally, please support your local eugenics program so that we may now filter the gene pool that has pissed in for the last several decades. I eat paste. Cows eat grass. I am the underdoug. Beware of godless, irate humanitarians drinking from the sinister pool of lost dreams of the seventh level of hell. I call this purgatory, but alas, no fudge. The return is soon to come. I thought I seen him today, at the store. Eating a taco with cream cheese. Was it Elvis or Jesus? Or a swollen cow fetus? I jumped in the ocean and swallowed a whale Handcuffed lightnin' and throwed thunder's ass in jail I walked through the graveyard like a bolt of thunder Made the tombstones jump and put the dead on the wonder I want you to jump off the Empire State Buildin' in a paper sack Look up a camel's ass and scare the hump out of his back Then jump off the Eiffel Tower and land on yo muthafuckin' head Get up and do the mashed potato and prove to me you ain't dead Catch the tail of an astro jet and get off at cloud nine Drink a bottle of Milk of Magnesia and some Red Port wine Then parachute off the clouds real fast Land on the White House yard and shit on the grass Take the President's necktie and wipe yo muthafuckin' ass |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 8:15am - Falcifer ""] Falsifier, You and I have known each for a long time. You never contacted me once. Why the fuck are spreading rumors about me? First of all, I never called your house harrassing you. I called our 'freind' who was at your house and asked to speak to your roomate about the show. This happened twice in one night, this was last week. I was asked by people in antifa to find out what was going on in Helvete night. Lots of people in boston had been talking about this night as being something that it is not. There are lots of racist comments. So naturally an anti-fascist group would look into this. No one in antifa, nor myself jumped to conclusions. I went directly to the source and asked what was going on, as I know people involved in Helvete. Yes, some people (not you) came to me, and we discussed what was up, I appreciated this visit, and passed along to antifa that Helvete is NOT a white power event, it is a black metal event. And naturally, some NSBM people and music will be there, but it is NOT an political event. I believed everyone who told me that in Helvete, and I still do. I did not ever tell O'briens to shut down this event. Nor did antifa ever put a call for any action against Helvete. A lot of people in boston have shit to say about Helvete. I actually went to the people who organze the event, heard and respected what they had to say, and passed it along to an anti-fascist group who listened and did not call for an action to shut down or disrupt Helvete. So now you point me out as some middleclass college hippie, Beacuase I went out to try to find out what was going on and stop all this shit talking and rumor mongering. Now you go out and encourage violence against me? I am probably the only person in boston who is against racism who is not a 'pussy', I went behind nobody's back, I sabatoged nothing, I asked questions to the organizers about the concerns, and when organizers came to me, I listened and discussed, and it was understood that I would do nothing against Helvete. Yes I am on tour now, and can not really defend myself on the interenet all day. But you are way off in accusing me of this shit. Also, I hate state communists too. Stalin is as pathetic as hitler. This is why this thing got out of hand in the first place. First off READ my posts even in the height of my anger I never once “incited or called for” violence against you. I stated that the people/organization responsible would pay. Don’t think I don’t mean that either. As you know there are other forms of “pay-back” other than violence or is that not the nature of your beliefs. OOOOOO guess what someone pushes me I AM GOING TO PUSH BACK! As you will also see I posted the letter written to us by antifa in response to our letter to them. I for one believe them as I believe you (I also didn’t say you called ME I said you called my house which you did). You also claim that we have known each other for a long time, well I guess not if for one second you thought that I would whole heartedly apply my focus on setting up something as insane as a monthly gathering of “white supremacists”. Regardless of what you said YOU got involved with an organization that was focused on ONE thing and not the bigger picture. Finally after a big stink was raised you found your truth. The truth the ONE of the organizers of our event has personal politics that you, your watchdog organization, and quite frankly I don’t believe in. You found out that this has NOTHING to do with HELVETE as far as I am concerned. Fine good but guess what the stink has been raised O’brien’s received EMAILS from people who jumped the gun THEY GOT CALLS FROM PEOPLE WHO DIDN”T LOOK INTO IT. So as a result something I WORKED VERY HARD TO DO FOR A YEAR IS NOW RUINED! PERIOD! What do you expect when someone yells fire in a crowded area or rapist at someone who happened to be at the wrong place at he wrong time? What you and your dogs expect the CLUB TO DO! Of course they HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO CANCEL! You so concerned for your well-being? So am I. How am I supposed to walk around knowing that people out there who didn’t bother to do the proper research will feel that there’s that “white power guy” lets get him and show him “white power”. So what if your intentions were just and noble I think I am old enough and comfortable with myself to figure things out for myself with out a watchdog group doing it for me. The damage has been done and is irreparable. Thanks a lot for looking out for me. Its good to know there is someone who has my back. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 8:56am - Joe/NotCommon ""] I just emailed Shred, complaining about this. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 9:22am - Kronos ""] <i> I thought you were saying you were going to violently eliminate a group of people based on their beliefs.</i> Yeah. Pretty much. Want some liberal? Fuck nazis. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 9:30am - RustedAngel ""] [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 10:39am - anonymous ""] Falcifer: "So am I. How am I supposed to walk around knowing that people out there who didn’t bother to do the proper research will feel that there’s that “white power guy” lets get him and show him “white power". Oh, cry me a fucking river. You have a known WP/nazi as part of your organizing crew; you advertize on WP/nazi forums; you play Skrewdriver (real fucking metal) and NSBM bands at Helvete; you book "racialist" nazi bands to play... and, holy shit, some people have the audacity to peg your event as being sympathetic to white power politics? If you want to clean up your image, here's a thought: ditch the nazi (if he's your buddy, I am sure he will understand), stop playing white power music, and stop booking NSBM bands. Real simple. I would even bet that O'Briens, if convinced you did some serious house cleaning, would have no problem allowing you to host the event there again. Of course, if you want to piss and moan and talk about "pay back" on people who POINTED OUT THE FUCKING OBVIOUS about your event, well, we can talk about that too. Go ahead. Make a move, and see where 100% of the counter-retaliation is directed tough guy. Your not hard to find. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 10:51am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Cold Northern Vengeance is not a white power nazi band, who else played Helvete shows? Watchmaker? They aren't white power. Hirudinea? Nope. Abhorred? They aren't white power either. He made a point to say he never encouraged violence against anyone, yet you post anonymously that you can find him with an obvious threat. Get a fucking life and end your retarded witch hunt. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 10:58am - notCNV ""] Several people have pointed out the fact that we all know, the fact that: You have a known WP/nazi as part of your organizing crew; you advertize on WP/nazi forums |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 11:00am - Falcifer ""] anonymous said:Falcifer: "So am I. How am I supposed to walk around knowing that people out there who didn’t bother to do the proper research will feel that there’s that “white power guy” lets get him and show him “white power". Oh, cry me a fucking river. You have a known WP/nazi as part of your organizing crew; you advertize on WP/nazi forums; you play Skrewdriver (real fucking metal) and NSBM bands at Helvete; you book "racialist" nazi bands to play... and, holy shit, some people have the audacity to peg your event as being sympathetic to white power politics? If you want to clean up your image, here's a thought: ditch the nazi (if he's your buddy, I am sure he will understand), stop playing white power music, and stop booking NSBM bands. Real simple. I would even bet that O'Briens, if convinced you did some serious house cleaning, would have no problem allowing you to host the event there again. Of course, if you want to piss and moan and talk about "pay back" on people who POINTED OUT THE FUCKING OBVIOUS about your event, well, we can talk about that too. Go ahead. Make a move, and see where 100% of the counter-retaliation is directed tough guy. Your not hard to find. ...did you really read what I wrote. Did you absorb anything I posted. You quoted me and it looks that by your last line its "your side who seem to be inciting the violence". Thanks a lot for the direct threat. It does wonders for your stance (which I agree with there is no place for racism). The fact the you are indeed "anonymous" makes it difficult to actually find out what you know about what actually has gone down... I posted the antifa letter... it clearly states their/your side. We internally are dealing with our "problems". I HAVE NO CONTROL OVER OTHER PEOPLE AND HAD NO IDEA OF THE OTHER ADVERTISING! These nights are/were loosly organised. You gave/are giving no chance for anyone to explain themselves at all... its all knee jerk. All I wanted was a place for people who like metal to come and listen and hang out. By the way that post was directed towards one person and one person only. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 11:00am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Are you trolling white power boards looking for people to censor? |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 11:06am - Falcifer ""] notCNV said:Several people have pointed out the fact that we all know, the fact that: You have a known WP/nazi as part of your organizing crew; you advertize on WP/nazi forums Known? Known by whom... he and others went to antifa to discuss things as people should do. They agreed to what ever was said (I was not a part of this meeting) and they backed off. But once the ball started it got too big and I don't blame the club at all for what they had to do. |
| __________________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 11:23am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] it's funny, and maybe I am naive, but these anti-white-power groups claim that the White Supremicists and Nazis are making our lives so awful, and then say "You have nazis amongst you...look at this and that". But yet the this and that never bothered me or did anything to hurt me or my friends. Then you look at these "anti-hate" groups, and many of thier consituancy have hurt my friends, colleagues, and events I enjoy/admire. I dunnow...it's weird cause the nazis haven't done shit to bother me yet but these ANTI white supremicy groups are making things really shitty and unfair for people that I have no problem with. strange how that works. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 11:41am - pisscup ""] wow! this is still going??... the funny thing is that I was planning to go to this show and if it did happen to turn out to be a nazifest type thing I prolly would have gotten the shit kicked out of me cuz I have a hard time keeping my mouth shut around those people. I remember a time when the internet didn't exist and we actually had to stand up for what we thought was right, in person, face to face. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 11:47am - Joe/NotCommon ""] it wouldn't have turned out to be a nazifest, it would have mostly been people on this board hanging out and listening to music. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 11:58am - pisscup ""] Joe/NotCommon said:it wouldn't have turned out to be a nazifest, it would have mostly been people on this board hanging out and listening to music. that's what I figured, I'm just saying we are perfectly capable of policing our own. white cops need to stay out of black neighborhoods |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:06pm - paganmegan ""] It boggles my mind that a simple opportunity to hang out and listen to music is suddenly a fucking criminal activity with this much controversy surrounding it |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:08pm - foghladha ""] helvete has nothing to do with any left or right wing groups and is not linked to any political organizations. it was a place where people of the black metal genre could get together and hangout and listen to music and check out live bands. we are a positive and progressive night that supports new and upcoming metal bands and we have a website with many different topics and opinions, none of which list a doctrine or code of beliefs that you have to be into. everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beleifs. we are a open forum for the freedom and expression of the arts and speech. we all share one thing we love extreme metal, so people what they dont understand and fear must label and in this p.c. climate we live in today the word "nazi" and so forth is throw out by very closeminded, ignorant and weak people. no one should be telling me what i can or can do with music and how i should be and live my life. thats the reason i got involved in punk rock and heavy metal, not to deal with people who are so small minded and not any different than the people i was getting away from. this attack on our night is such a bumout that people still think this way and feel as its ok to ruin things and dictate what they think is right and wrong in the underground music scene. this sort of behaviour pushes away any people with any real intelligence and creativity and leave an empty void of hipsters, pc people and posers. i would like to see this resolved and get back to normal activity with some brutal, harsh, aggressive music and headbanging. i thank everyone who has supported us. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:11pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] metal and indie rock are the only scenes that consist of people listening to music and hanging out/having fun without some bizarre agenda behind it. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:12pm - the_reverend ""] [img] |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:13pm - the_reverend ""] NO SOUP FOR YOU! |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:14pm - armageddonday ""] I didn't read the whole thing but a good portion of it. WTF is Anarcho communism anyway? Doesn't make any fucking sense to me, either you're anarcho or communist. Not both. Communism is dead BTW, the only country in the world who still has a so called communist party is France and they're a bunch of jokes. Ninkaszi187, let the crusties out of this, please. ;) This has been a recuring problem between punk and metal heads for ages and it's not about to stop. Very tough at time, being yeah...a punk, totally into metal. I see their point in a way, I don't agree with it though because they're attaquing a group, not individuals. We used to go nazi bashing when I was still living in France (I was like 15 or 16), they started hanging out in town more often. In this case, it's either them or you, so better be them. Got rid of the bastards in 3 weeks. But we knew who we were targetting though...and THEY WERE NAZIS. Certainly not metal heads. We operated a bit different as well, we didn't call anybody, threaten anybody on the phone, whinning. We were just organised enough than when one of them came in town all of us got together and, well... beat the crap out of him/her/them and that's a lot to say from a crowd of total drunks, junkies, potheads, punks/crusties and homeless people. If you were really convinced Helvete was a white power thing why the fuck didn't you just get some people together and go beat the crap out of these people? To scared of the cops? The way you fucked Helvete is really really lame, and wussy. Start growing some balls if you want to get rid of nazis (which, BTW: you won't), get in the streets, and stop whinning on the phone. Helvete, if I were you I would try to keep Helvete going...if you can. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:23pm - the_reverend ""] armageddonday said:the only country in the world who still has a so called communist party is France and they're a bunch of jokes. french are socialist, not commies. you are going to make china, laos, north korea, vietnam and cuba sad... also, there are commie parties in almost every single country in the world. In some countries they actually have some power: venezula france germany russia (duh) Poland (that was a big win for them) the list goes on. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:26pm - armageddonday ""] I think France is one of the only using the name "communist" in the actual name of the political party though. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:27pm - alex berkman. ""] so ... if cold northern vengeance is claiming they aren't white power, why didn't they make any public statement about not being nsbm, the way one of the helevete djs described them in a weekly dig review? |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:29pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] Read their replies in this thread you moron, they do say they are not a nazi band. Plus, I have a feeling CNV doesn't read the Weekly Dig. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:32pm - RustedAngel ""] you can be white power and not a nazi correct? what a shitstorm it is in here. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:33pm - alex berkman. ""] armadgedddddddwhateveryournamewas - so you're upset that antifa wasn't violent enough? also, anarchocommunism is a discrete ideology that supports a communist distribution of wealth without authoritarian centralism. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:34pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] Alex Berkman, you don't strike me as very intelligent. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:36pm - assuck ""] but look at all those big words he's using |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:39pm - armageddonday ""] alex berkman. said:armadgedddddddwhateveryournamewas - so you're upset that antifa wasn't violent enough? also, anarchocommunism is a discrete ideology that supports a communist distribution of wealth without authoritarian centralism. I just think that it's just lame to take care of shit like this on the phone. My point is that if you were really certain about these guys political views, you should have take other actions than whinning on the phone. "anarchocommunism is a discrete ideology that supports a communist distribution of wealth without authoritarian centralism." isn't UTOPIA more appropriate here? Sorry I have no hope left for mankind. |
| __________________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:47pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] Joe/NotCommon said:metal and indie rock are the only scenes that consist of people listening to music and hanging out/having fun without some bizarre agenda behind it. nah I wouldn't say indie rock. The HP'rs / The Noise co-opted that. College rock, man like Three Doors Down or the Wallflowers. That's the shit. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:49pm - the_reverend ""] armageddonday said:I think France is one of the only using the name "communist" in the actual name of the political party though. nope, just google for communist party or communist countries. though it might be the only non-communist country with a political party in power with the word communist in the name. Most other parties in other countries changed their names. in the last polish electrion, the Polish Communist Party won BIG TIME, but they change their name to the Democratic Left Alliance. Same leaders and all, different name. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:51pm - the_reverend ""] alex berkman. said:also, anarchocommunism is a discrete ideology that supports a communist distribution of wealth without authoritarian centralism. how the fuck is that possible? except on a hippie commun or something. I thought you were talking about Mass. until the end part, but I see the light now: anarchocommunism = support lazy people, yeah! |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:54pm - armageddonday ""] Ok, yeah. I knew there was something like that going on...I really didn't mean that there was no communist in power anywhere, but the party in power in France is not communist. No matter what, anarchy and communism to me, should not be used in relation with each other. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:55pm - alex berkman. ""] actually, an a-c society would probably kick lazy people out of the community |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:56pm - anonymous ""] [img] |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:56pm - litacore ""] alex berkman. said:armadgedddddddwhateveryournamewas - so you're upset that antifa wasn't violent enough? also, anarchocommunism is a discrete ideology that supports a communist distribution of wealth without authoritarian centralism. go away, douche. You fuckwits have worn out your welcome. "Will there still be sugar after the revolution?"--George Orwell, 'Animal Farm' NOPE! |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 12:57pm - armageddonday ""] Alex berkman, I have a question for you: what's the average age of your organisation? |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:00pm - paganmegan ""] All I fucking want is a monday night to listen to good metal in good company with a drink in hand and this is no longer an option due to people's stupid political agendas , which translates to me as nothing but boredom by fuckwits |
| _________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:03pm - makhno ""] hey litacore, just so you know....George Orwell was an Anarcho-Communist. Do some research. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:11pm - paganmegan ""] HAHA telling larissa to do research is like telling a smackhead to do heroin, smartypants |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:23pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] If you have hate in your heart let it out. WHITE POWER |
| _________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:23pm - makhno ""] There's no way I could've guess that litacore does research when she quotes an anarchist-communist to tell anarchist-communists to fuck off. Doesn't make sense. If she did some research about George Orwell, she'd know that he was first a member of the British Communist Party, then went to Spain to fight alongside the anarchists and council communists against the Fascists. He then saw how awful the Communist Party was, left the party, and became an anarchist-communist. There, I did your research for you! |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:24pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] CHING CHONG CHING CHANG! I CAN'T UNDERSTAND YOU, GO BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM! |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:28pm - succubus ""] dammit..gone an hour and look what i miss..i'll have to catch up later on |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:29pm - RustedAngel ""] BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:If you have hate in your heart let it out. WHITE POWER HAHAHAHAHAHA [img] CHINEASE PEOPLE, WITH YOUR CHING CHANG CHONG TALK! I CAN'T UNDERSTAND YOO, GO BACK TO YER CUNTRY!!! WHITE POWER! |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:32pm - litacore ""] makhno said:There's no way I could've guess that litacore does research when she quotes an anarchist-communist to tell anarchist-communists to fuck off. Doesn't make sense. If she did some research about George Orwell, she'd know that he was first a member of the British Communist Party, then went to Spain to fight alongside the anarchists and council communists against the Fascists. He then saw how awful the Communist Party was, left the party, and became an anarchist-communist. There, I did your research for you! alrighty then cock smoker, if you MUST know, I'm well aware of Orwell's political affiliations. They shaped his works, for fuck's sake. I quoted him there to emphasize that there WILL NOT be any sugar after the revolution. **There probably won't any metal, either. Just Minor Threat and R.E.M., 24-7 !!!) (Whether or not the revolution will be televised, that's up to the Somerville Public Access Channel) also, Orwell > You because he didn't fuck Helvete (he might have, but I think he busy behind a different type of keyboard than the one we're using today) oh, and douche. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:33pm - paganmegan ""] Yeah, seriously, douche. You're stinking up the whole message board |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:34pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] DID THAT GUY JUST CALL US NIGGERS? AWESOME! |
| ________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:44pm - assuck ""] CONILINGUS RICE! SOUNDS LIKE A MEXICAN DISH! WHY DONT WE SEND HER TO MEXICO SO THE MEXICANS CAN EAT HER?! WHITE POWER! |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:45pm - litacore ""] watch out, there's a few anarcho-communists watching the website today eventually we'll all start talking about heavy metal music in more detail, and they'll get bored and go about their business of saving us from ourselves (maybe) did I say douche again? |
| ________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 1:47pm - assuck ""] litacore, please give me your opinion on the first three Venom albums, as compared to their later efforts. double spaced. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 2:04pm - Abbath ""] DID I MENTION THEY STINK?! |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 2:15pm - paganmegan ""] assuck said:litacore, please give me your opinion on the first three Venom albums, as compared to their later efforts. double spaced. Don't encourage her!! |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 2:31pm - the_reverend ""] man, I just grep'd my server logs.. you wouldn't believe how many places this has been emailed to... yahoo, hotmail, juno, someone's squirrel mail... |
| _________________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 2:41pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] why do people pushing for "the revolution" always talk in a way that is as beugoise (however you spell it) as humanly possible? If you can't explain your cause in laymen's terms, then it's not for laymen. Lead a pompus intellectual revolution and only those that view themselves as pompous intellectuals will rise to it. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 2:44pm - Defnasty ""] There is no way shred is cancelling the Hirax show. HAHA! |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 2:48pm - the_reverend ""] let them eat cake. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 2:49pm - litacore ""] the_reverend said:man, I just grep'd my server logs.. you wouldn't believe how many places this has been emailed to... yahoo, hotmail, juno, someone's squirrel mail... we've just given the cause of arachnid-anarcho-communism-cartmaninism a whole new lease on life perhaps one of them will stumble on some brodequin as a result of this, and that can only be a good thing |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 2:55pm - Josh_Martin ""] Kronos said: I've had members of my family murdered in concentration camps Oh, shit I just noticed this post. Hey Kronos, HAHA, your family's soap. My band is playing the Middle East on March 28th. See ya there. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 3:00pm - litacore ""] [img] Mike (far right): A social conscience is like a garden shed. If you try and eat it, it'll stick in your throat. Rick (screaming, far left): POINT ONE: abolish Poverty. POINT TWO: abolish Capitalism. POINT THREE: Dexy's Midnight Runners play free, daily, in the University Library. Mike: We've already got them up in our lavatory. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 3:20pm - horror_tang ""] Anarchocommunism is indeed a dream. It may work fine in theory, but could never be achieved. How the hell could you ever achieve such a Candyland (I mean Utopian) version of the world? It would end up being being a plutocracy. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 3:26pm - litacore ""] Thomas More had a Utopian view of the world until Henry VIII lopped his head off |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 3:27pm - anonymous ""] anonymous said:Falcifer: "So am I. How am I supposed to walk around knowing that people out there who didn’t bother to do the proper research will feel that there’s that “white power guy” lets get him and show him “white power". Oh, cry me a fucking river. You have a known WP/nazi as part of your organizing crew; you advertize on WP/nazi forums; you play Skrewdriver (real fucking metal) and NSBM bands at Helvete; you book "racialist" nazi bands to play... and, holy shit, some people have the audacity to peg your event as being sympathetic to white power politics? If you want to clean up your image, here's a thought: ditch the nazi (if he's your buddy, I am sure he will understand), stop playing white power music, and stop booking NSBM bands. Real simple. I would even bet that O'Briens, if convinced you did some serious house cleaning, would have no problem allowing you to host the event there again. Of course, if you want to piss and moan and talk about "pay back" on people who POINTED OUT THE FUCKING OBVIOUS about your event, well, we can talk about that too. Go ahead. Make a move, and see where 100% of the counter-retaliation is directed tough guy. Your not hard to find. Here's the thing faggot no one wanted to clean up their fucking image. Helvete was never for whiny cunts like you. I'm gonna host my own black metal night where every other song is Skrewdriver just to piss people like you off. I don't tell people how to fucking think or act but scum like you are the ones that tell people how to think, how to act, walk, talk, fuck, shit, piss and moan and pout when something comes along that you don't understand. Your the kind of fucking people that burned people at the stake at the Salem Witch trials when in reality most of em' were not even fucking witches. GO FUCK YOURSELF!!! CNV was never a political band... We are an Occult band and we're not going to tone it down to please a group of people that smell like sewer rats.... FUCKING DIE! |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 3:30pm - CNV nli ""] the above post was CNV |
| ________________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 3:34pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] litacore said:Thomas More had a Utopian view of the world until Henry VIII lopped his head off i'm really starting to like you Hahaha ! |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 3:55pm - anonymous ""] Falcifier: "You quoted me and it looks that by your last line its "your side who seem to be inciting the violence". Thanks a lot for the direct threat. It does wonders for your stance" My stance? My stance is fuck nazis and their fence-walking apologists. I also have a stance on violence: I enthusiastically support it. I know alot of people who feel the same way, and they aren't that hard to mobilize. Once again, make a move and see what happens. Falcifer: "We internally are dealing with our "problems". Cool. Sort your problems out and relaunch your metal night, minus the nazi elements, and I got no beef with you. But if you keep running your mouth about "pay back" and it ever materializes, well then there's gonna be some problems at your doorstep asshole. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 3:59pm - Josh_Martin ""] How are these anti-facist losers any different than Joe Mcarthy? |
| ________________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 4:04pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] McCarthy had cool Nazi signs......oops wait no that was Hitler |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 4:04pm - the_reverend ""] [img] |
| ________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 4:05pm - Gemini ""] Hello. Gemini here of Cold Northern Vengeance. Too bad we had gotten cancelled, and have somehow helped to cause Helvete to be in the position it is in. I will be breif, since i think chatting on message boards is a big waste of time. Cold northern Vengeance is interested in Music, and Occultism. We are NOT NSBM, we Really HATE politics, and our main interest is in our selves creating music. We enjoy creating sonic images. Only Analog is real!!! I cannot deny i have pride in my heritage, and the northland the ancestors chose for us, that should be normal. It is true stupid things by members have been said, in a political taste, but these things are left wholly out of the music, we feel that only spiritual, and dark topics are the true keys to this music. In fact, politics really bore us, they do nothing. With that said, stop complaining, unless you hate people that would rather hang out in the woods than be a part of the normal life (sounds kinda hippyish, does it not??) A big honor to the guys in Helvete, your gatherings were the only true in the area for black metal. DONT let helvete burrow itself. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 4:07pm - the_reverend ""] like capitolist... like communist [img] |
| ________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 4:10pm - Gemini ""] oh yeah, people that actually live the lifestyle of hunting and killing people because of race are the equal standing as these communists who wholly enfore the condensing of all they dislike to the world around them. And yes, this seems fascist to me. Just pitiful. We think both these White Power types, and homeless anarchos are entwined and the same. But, im not going to stop you and your beliefs, i could care less. The eight sided star is in the real power. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 4:12pm - the_reverend ""] and I will say now, that I don't care about any personal beliefs that people in CNV have. The music is really really good and I would have them play my radio show at some point. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 4:12pm - succubus ""] the_reverend said:[img] awesome pic |
| ________________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 4:12pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] damn some punch and pie would rule right now. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 4:15pm - SINOFANGELS-RAY ""] I said we should All share a GOD DAM juice Box |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 4:29pm - swamplorddvm ""] I think we should keep talking about juice boxes. Enough with this racism crap. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 4:29pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] I am not involved in any NIGGERDOM! |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 4:33pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Do you want total war? Yes we want total war! Do you want fucking war? Yes we want fucking war! November 1939, eastern front line Machine gun fire, defending our pride Four months of hell, thousands of bombs fell Antaa tulla tänne vaan, SUOMI FINLAND PERKELE! PERKELE! WAR - Winter war WAR - Bowe to no one WAR - Winter war WAR - Kill them all Russia beaten up, over 200000 communists dead If they want a new war, this time will kill them all WAR - Winter war WAR - Bowe to no one WAR - Winter war WAR - Kill them all |
| ________________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 4:38pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] where is the juice box reference in that ! |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 4:41pm - swamplorddvm ""] Seems someone doesn't want Helvete to prevail. BobNOMAAMRooney nli does NOT speak for HELVETE. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 4:48pm - SINOFANGELS-RAY ""] Oh I made it a while back or so ago between the I'll get my boys you get your boys, Don't be Racist or i'll beat you up, I'm A commie, your a commie, don't you want to be a commie too...., The nazi party , the jewish defence league, justice league of america.... the juice box comment |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 4:56pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] swamplorddvm said:Seems someone doesn't want Helvete to prevail. BobNOMAAMRooney nli does NOT speak for HELVETE. I'm just joking around, I've already defended Helvete and I've already clarified that I'm not a Nazi. Now I just want to post a ton of nonsensical shit or something. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 4:58pm - swamplorddvm ""] Ok I am sorry, dude. thank you for defending Helvete. I'm just pissed about this absurd shit. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 5:06pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] [img][img][img][img] |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 5:07pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] this is now the pWned thread 2.0 |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 5:15pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] [img] |
| __________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 5:15pm - Falcifer ""] anonymous said:Falcifier: "You quoted me and it looks that by your last line its "your side who seem to be inciting the violence". Thanks a lot for the direct threat. It does wonders for your stance" My stance? My stance is fuck nazis and their fence-walking apologists. I also have a stance on violence: I enthusiastically support it. I know alot of people who feel the same way, and they aren't that hard to mobilize. Once again, make a move and see what happens. Falcifer: "We internally are dealing with our "problems". Cool. Sort your problems out and relaunch your metal night, minus the nazi elements, and I got no beef with you. But if you keep running your mouth about "pay back" and it ever materializes, well then there's gonna be some problems at your doorstep asshole. Ok here it is... I have also no beef with you my original post was with someone else, but since you decided to champion his cause fine. A year ago me plus two others decided to try to make a night once a month to listen to music we like with no agenda. Just music. Unbeknownst to me one person went ahead and placed an agenda on Helvete. You would laugh at how unorganized we are in regards to these monthly events. So now we all must pay the price. I had no knowledge of this so don’t call me a fence walker. I see no place for racism at all. Unfortunately it has come to where we are now. Blatant threats of physical harm towards me. Well guess what? My belief is that nothing is worth this. I am too old and just don’t care enough to continue. This is my last post on this matter. The Helvete site and night may continue, but without my involvement. I am disassociating myself of all involvement. So pat yourself on the back because you win you threats, swearing and name-calling worked… Thanks to all who made Helvete a brief pleasure. |
| ________________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 5:33pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] SINOFANGELS-RAY said:Oh I made it a while back or so ago between the I'll get my boys you get your boys, Don't be Racist or i'll beat you up, I'm A commie, your a commie, don't you want to be a commie too...., The nazi party , the jewish defence league, justice league of america.... the juice box comment no no i meant the lyrics that where put up, good show though. :NEWHORNS: |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 5:36pm - fuckshred ""] this idiot is ruining our scene. dictators out of boston! |
| ________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 5:36pm - assuck ""] damn dude... |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 6:14pm - BestialOnslaught ""] alex berkman. said:"I think Jimmynotanonymous, anarchistmetalhead and Dave from NEFAC need a lesson in minding their own business" you know, like a good german. Haha... You've gotta be kidding me. You = never went to Helvete (same with the 3 turds I mentioned above). |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 6:25pm - armageddonday ""] I have so much to say and so little ways to express it correctly. This is a very passionate matter to(for?) me and I'm just going to shut up. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 6:41pm - anonymous ""] Falcifer: "This is my last post on this matter. The Helvete site and night may continue, but without my involvement. I am disassociating myself of all involvement. So pat yourself on the back because you win you threats, swearing and name-calling worked…" Quit being a drama queen. It doesn't sound like anyone had problems with you until you started to starting laying on the thinly veiled threats about pay back. Have your fucking metal night. Drink. Listen to music. Be merry. Do your thing. Just don't play the rest of us for idiots about not knowing what's up with your own event, and don't start dropping threats unless you are willing to back them up. Okay? |
| ________________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 6:51pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] i'm still waiting for juice boxes ! |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 26,2005 7:20pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] anonymous said:Quit being a drama queen. It doesn't sound like anyone had problems with you until you started to starting laying on the thinly veiled threats about pay back. Have your fucking metal night. Drink. Listen to music. Be merry. Do your thing. Just don't play the rest of us for idiots about not knowing what's up with your own event, and don't start dropping threats unless you are willing to back them up. Okay? Falcifier made "thinly veiled threats about pay back" after NEantifa got its panties in a bunch and got Helvete cancelled. NEantifa jumped the gun on the situation and NEantifa is in the wrong. Go on anonymous posters, keep on making empty threats to RTTP posters because your grandparents died in the holocaust or your Newton (A)narchist Crew just got wind of Burzum and decided to make generalizations about all metal. This is what I look like. The next time you see me at a show feel free to walk up to me so we can discuss our differences. If the spirit grabs you, go ahead and punch me in the face for being a fan of Black Metal. I look forward to having you arrested and testifying to put you away for assault. [img] |
| __________________________________ [Jan 27,2005 1:50pm - Cathach ""] Hail to all for your words of support, as of now the only definite is the loss of our comrade Falcifer from HelveteBoston.The person responsible for any NS related music, thought or posting was me and no one else.I take full resposibility for this and and accept the consequences.We will know within the week if we,as an outlet for Black Metal will continue.To address the question of my beliefs would take a few hundred pages and solve nothing.I will say only this; if you know me you have already made up your minds, if you don't I have a clear conscience and have nothing to be ashamed of.Cathach HelveteBoston, Wotan Mit Uns. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 27,2005 1:56pm - RustedAngel ""] [img] [img] |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 27,2005 4:12pm - the_reverend ""] CNN just had a big thing on panzer faust. I told someone that the guy would be wearing a screwdriver shirt. sure enough, he was. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 27,2005 4:21pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] When I play CoD Multiplayer I use panzerfausts to rocket jump. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 27,2005 4:21pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] And I always play as the Nazis because I listen to black metal. Duh! |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 27,2005 6:20pm - voltairine ""] "To address the question of my beliefs would take a few hundred pages and solve nothing." Yeah, you could call it "My Struggle." "And then the communist threat told on me, and the jews who owned the bar cancelled my Black Metal night..." |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 27,2005 6:23pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] voltairine said:"To address the question of my beliefs would take a few hundred pages and solve nothing." Yeah, you could call it "My Struggle." "And then the communist threat told on me, and the jews who owned the bar cancelled my Black Metal night..." OMFG U SHOWED HIM! |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 27,2005 8:15pm - voltairine ""] Okay let's see. This guy's allegedly really deep, complicated beliefs, which of course aren't at all racist... the dude bragged to other nazis that he follows the Pagan Front creed. What does it say on their website? Let's see (remember, "Vinland" = North America): <I>We at the VINLANDIC PAGAN FRONT are ACTIVISTS within the Heathen National Socialist underground and clandestine movements. We support a radical change to this modern structure by all means available to us, whether legal or not, all our actions are justified according to our laws of nature. We shall NOT tolerate the cowardly attempts to discredit us, tarnish our name, stop our advancement or threaten us with any kind of clear anti-white propaganda. To go against us is not only a proof of treachery to the white race and the cause we fight for, but also very dangerous. We are NOT only about music and concerts, the Vinlandic Pagan Front is a radical overtly anti-ZOG Aryan Advancement organization. We do not fear retaliation, nor do we coward behind laws we do not believe in. Our way is the way of the urban warfare. Our weapons are many, music indeed, propaganda, but that is not all of the arsenal we have available to us in Vinland. " Internet warriors, rehearsal room militants, demo covers nazi poster boys are WE DO NOT NEED!!! Indeed Black Metal is one of our common passion which unite us, BUT THAT IS NOT THE PURPOSE OF OUR EXISTENCE. Black Metal is JUST a music genre, the ideological pillars we use to create this Art, THAT is our true purpose. When Black Metal is dead, our ideology will remain. Our fight will still be raging and our blood will still be pilled for the cause. NOT THE BLACK METAL CAUSE….THE ARYAN CAUSE. This must be understood. Many in the Vinland Division are ready to drop out of the Black Metal movement on a snap of the fingers if need be. That we are all aware of. So if you expect us to be only a musical fan club for nerdy introverted, no-self esteem pathetic kid in search for a “gang” to belong too and appear “radical” to the other kids at school…forget us. We will boot your ass to a pulp and not even think twice about cleaning our sole of your filth afterwards. " The Pagan front : Vinlandic Division not unlike THE ORDER, believe in clandestine action against the powers that be. Those involved understand the price to pay for any actions and are well aware of the resulting possibilities. Not ALL are obliged to what is not within their capabilities, but ALL are required to be ACTIVE at a level or the other. Simply to be a member is not sufficient. Member’s clubs do not change the world, activists do. Some have already sacrificed their freedom and some their lives for the cause and more will come. We are prepared. The Pagan Front: Vinlandic Division is rising and who will dare stand in our way…?<i> There you go people, that's how low Keith has gotten these days. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 27,2005 8:15pm - Strep_Cunt ""] really too bad....i was looking forward to getting some sort of live setup for a Helvete. Hopefully I will see it soon somewhere else. |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 27,2005 10:45pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] voltairine said:Indeed Black Metal is one of our common passion which unite us, BUT THAT IS NOT THE PURPOSE OF OUR EXISTENCE. Black Metal is JUST a music genre, the ideological pillars we use to create this Art, THAT is our true purpose. When Black Metal is dead, our ideology will remain. Our fight will still be raging and our blood will still be pilled for the cause. NOT THE BLACK METAL CAUSE….THE ARYAN CAUSE. So because Keith holds beliefs that have tenuous connections to the music played at Helvete it's reason enough to get the show cancelled? Everyone cancel every punk show in Boston because I saw some pictures of the Sex Pistols and Siouxie And The Banshees with nazi armbands! Cancel all the post-punk shows in town because Joy Division used a Nazi gimmick when they were starting out and their name is a reference to concentration camp prostitutes. No more shows in Boston because everything could be linked to racist ideology and as non NEantifa musicians and music fans we're not intelligent enough to form our own opinions Painting Helvete as a racist event because of ONE man's beliefs is as foolish as a racist claiming to be tolerant because he "has a black friend" |
| __________________________________ [Jan 28,2005 2:00pm - Cathach ""] Look at the date of the post I made on Panzerfaust that has caused all the schism.Since that time I have severed my ties with the PFfor the simple fact that we do not agree on many issues anymore.This will be my final post on this matter.For the record-yes I am a national socialist No, I am not a rascist nor do I advocate the extermination of a race.This is where many national socialist butt heads.I love my race but this doesn't mean I'm willing to align myself with idiots who blame their shotcomings on 'the niggers' and 'the jews'.Do I hate the Jewish religion-without a doubt, as well as my hatred of Christianity and Islam.I despise religions of slavery and oppression.My involvement with NSBM started because I saw groups playing the music I love addressing views that I shared that didn't wallow in the 'nigger stomping' inanities of most RAC/OI/Hate Rock.Now, as with any scene, there are a plethora of bands who would never have seen the light of day unless they threw a rune on their demo cover and pronounced themselves NSBM.As far as the choice of music by WP/Rac bands played at Helvete we made a very concious effort to feature songs that dealt with aggression against ALL rather than blind race hate.My use of the Hitler speech on one night was done to piss off the assistant manager of our old venue the Paradise.At the time we had established our regular crowd of friends and black metal comrades-all 15 of them-and no one in the room would have thought it was done for any other reason.Concerning my reviews of NSBM in the Weekly Dig, this was not done under a blanket of secrecyand I had lnog discussions with both the editor and music editor before a single review ran.It was done to promote bands I enjoyed and also to spark debate.But of the three letters written concerning these reviews none took a negative slant.I was suspended for missing a very important deadline, not for my beliefs.In conclusion I would like to reiterate my heartfelt thanks to all of you who have lent their voices in Helvete's defenseand I respectfully ask that those who still have issues with MY beliefs, actions or politics to leave my brothers Chris and Opie out of it. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 28,2005 3:36pm - swamplorddvm ""] Done and done. Well put. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 28,2005 9:24pm - voltairine ""] "As far as the choice of music by WP/Rac bands played at Helvete we made a very concious effort to feature songs that dealt with aggression against ALL rather than blind race hate." "Dreadlocked bastard, gangster rapper Raping white women is all that he's after You've fooled the rest, but I know what you're about You're threats will fall silent when you're the body count" -from Bound for Glory, "ONE SHOT ONE KILL" "The streets are still, the final battle has ended Flushed with the fight, we proudly hail the dawn See over the streets, the white man's emblem is waving Triumphant standards of a race reborn" -from Skrewdriver, "HAIL THE NEW DAWN" Geez, sounds to me like anti-miscegenation lynching, and a "final battle" for White supremacy. But I guess you're deep and philosophical enough to see past all that, so everyone should just take you for your word. ya fuckin nazi. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 28,2005 9:32pm - anonymous ""] voltairine said:"As far as the choice of music by WP/Rac bands played at Helvete we made a very concious effort to feature songs that dealt with aggression against ALL rather than blind race hate." "Dreadlocked bastard, gangster rapper Raping white women is all that he's after You've fooled the rest, but I know what you're about You're threats will fall silent when you're the body count" -from Bound for Glory, "ONE SHOT ONE KILL" "The streets are still, the final battle has ended Flushed with the fight, we proudly hail the dawn See over the streets, the white man's emblem is waving Triumphant standards of a race reborn" -from Skrewdriver, "HAIL THE NEW DAWN" Geez, sounds to me like anti-miscegenation lynching, and a "final battle" for White supremacy. But I guess you're deep and philosophical enough to see past all that, so everyone should just take you for your word. ya fuckin nazi. Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. The U.S. Constitution, protecting Americans from the world's babysitters since 1787 |
| __________________________________ [Jan 28,2005 9:59pm - CNV nli ""] voltairine said:"As far as the choice of music by WP/Rac bands played at Helvete we made a very concious effort to feature songs that dealt with aggression against ALL rather than blind race hate." "Dreadlocked bastard, gangster rapper Raping white women is all that he's after You've fooled the rest, but I know what you're about You're threats will fall silent when you're the body count" -from Bound for Glory, "ONE SHOT ONE KILL" "The streets are still, the final battle has ended Flushed with the fight, we proudly hail the dawn See over the streets, the white man's emblem is waving Triumphant standards of a race reborn" -from Skrewdriver, "HAIL THE NEW DAWN" G |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 29,2005 2:43am - BornSoVile ""] Skrewdriver is awesome. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 29,2005 8:21am - korpse ""] FREE MY LAND!!! |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 29,2005 7:48pm - projectilevomit ""] this is real lame i wanted to check helvet out for a long time....i love how PC kids assume all people into BM are racists or facists or NS...i love punk grind black metal noise whatever man i listen to NS shit i dont agree with their ideas or views whatever its good music...this is along the line of when that band from italy Cripple bastards did a tour of the east coast...they got banned at ABC no rio for a CD cover (almost human) its a pic from that movie forced entry i think, the guy is getting sucked off while he has a gun to the girls head. its bull shit no matter what..like some one said they saw punks next to metal heads next to hardcore kids all having fun....thats cool...blowing you PC horn bout something you know nothing about is fuckin stupid |
| ________________________________ [Jan 29,2005 8:05pm - assuck ""] aren't you the guy who said fuck not common because of the nazi lettering in the logo? |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 29,2005 9:41pm - anonymous ""] "i love how PC kids assume all people into BM are racists or facists or NS." stop being retarded. if you read the thread this isn't about "all people into BM" at all, it's the fact that one of the DJs *is* racist, fascist and NS, and was inviting other nazis to Helvete. i'm sure if someone starts another BM night up and doesn't advertise it on white power boards as a night for "true nsbm" none of the anarchists are gonna start shit. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 29,2005 9:47pm - projectilevomit ""] no that wasent me man i dont have a problem with joe or his lable at all..if you were talking to me |
| _________________________________ [Jan 30,2005 12:14pm - assuck ""] my bad, that was futuristic puke all these vomit names are confusing me |
| __________________________________ [Jan 30,2005 12:33pm - rachel ""] Joe/NotCommon said: I don't think the rest of the country is the same as Massachsuetts, artistic expression is forbidden here. That may be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. You are clueless. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 30,2005 12:34pm - assuck ""] and joe claims another victim |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 30,2005 12:38pm - projectilevomit ""] its cool man...i was trippin face last night so i probly ranted and raved bout this hole thing...im not trying to defend people who zeig heil at helvet im just trying to voice my opinion on the hole thing...i never went to helvet but i wish i could have cause it seamed pretty cool... |
| _________________________________ [Jan 30,2005 12:40pm - assuck ""] it's all good, gee tooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggguee |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 30,2005 3:32pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] You know what really pisses me off? Jewish people. |
| __________________________________________________ [Jan 30,2005 11:30pm - blow‘n chunks on cunts ""] BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:[img][img][img][img] hey how did that picture of my last arrest get in here..oh well only did 3 years upstate for that one..the spook asked for it..i swear |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 31,2005 8:55am - Joe/NotCommon ""] rachel said: You are clueless. Clueless, yet sexy. |
| _______________________________________ [Feb 2,2005 2:09pm - alex berkman. ""] if every other song was skrewdriver, wouldn't it not be a black metal night then? anonymous said:anonymous said:Falcifer: "So am I. How am I supposed to walk around knowing that people out there who didn’t bother to do the proper research will feel that there’s that “white power guy” lets get him and show him “white power". Oh, cry me a fucking river. You have a known WP/nazi as part of your organizing crew; you advertize on WP/nazi forums; you play Skrewdriver (real fucking metal) and NSBM bands at Helvete; you book "racialist" nazi bands to play... and, holy shit, some people have the audacity to peg your event as being sympathetic to white power politics? If you want to clean up your image, here's a thought: ditch the nazi (if he's your buddy, I am sure he will understand), stop playing white power music, and stop booking NSBM bands. Real simple. I would even bet that O'Briens, if convinced you did some serious house cleaning, would have no problem allowing you to host the event there again. Of course, if you want to piss and moan and talk about "pay back" on people who POINTED OUT THE FUCKING OBVIOUS about your event, well, we can talk about that too. Go ahead. Make a move, and see where 100% of the counter-retaliation is directed tough guy. Your not hard to find. Here's the thing faggot no one wanted to clean up their fucking image. Helvete was never for whiny cunts like you. I'm gonna host my own black metal night where every other song is Skrewdriver just to piss people like you off. I don't tell people how to fucking think or act but scum like you are the ones that tell people how to think, how to act, walk, talk, fuck, shit, piss and moan and pout when something comes along that you don't understand. Your the kind of fucking people that burned people at the stake at the Salem Witch trials when in reality most of em' were not even fucking witches. GO FUCK YOURSELF!!! CNV was never a political band... We are an Occult band and we're not going to tone it down to please a group of people that smell like sewer rats.... FUCKING DIE! |
| _________________________________ [Feb 2,2005 2:16pm - litacore ""] he's back! LOL! where are the other anarcho-communists today? busy shutting down Disney Land? |
| _______________________________________ [Feb 2,2005 3:47pm - alex berkman. ""] you didn't answer the question about the black metal night that would be mostly RAC |
| _________________________________ [Feb 2,2005 3:51pm - litacore ""] eh? |
| ________________________________________ [Feb 2,2005 4:00pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] Maybe you should shut your fucking kike loving mouth. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 2,2005 4:05pm - litacore ""] I need to watch that movie 'History of the World Part I" now, just for that song 'The Inquisition' 'Torquemada--do not ask him forgiveness. 'Torquemada--do not beg him for mercy. Let's face it, you can't Torquemada anything!' |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 17,2005 11:23pm - poisonidea ""] OK this the situation is fucked, as it always is on message boards,but I have to admit, I skipped though all of it (and I'm probably better off for it, but... and a huge fucking butt, if anybody wants to do ANYTHING it is his or her right, free speech, I like that. As far as Skrewdriver goes, (you have heard this a million times befere) The early stuff was great, the singles, All Skrewed Up, etc. but then they punked out (pun intended) and crapped out, spilling out racist shit until Mr. Stuart died. Good for him. As for Helvete, I love BM and thought the idea of an extreme Black Metal night was a worthy cause. But to bounce back to Skrewdriver, "Back street kids" is a far cry from "Hail the new dawn" What the fuck does that or Bound For Glory have to do with Black Metal? Nothing, just a good 'ol boy nod to the cunts in the crowd. Clickety clack goes the keyboard, ah fuck it. There is no such thing as "non-political" Unless you got something to hide. Spoons |
| _______________________________________________ [Apr 14,2005 12:11pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Did anyone else see the cock slobbering The Weekly Dig gave NEANTIFA this week? "OH NOES THEY CALLED TARGETED US IN THEIR SUMMER 04 NEWSLETTER BECAUSE OF OUR RECORD REVIEWS SORRY NEANTIFA YOU GUYS RAWK!" |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 14,2005 4:10pm - swamplorddvm ""] I did not see this. ??? |
| ______________________________________________ [Apr 14,2005 4:17pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] The NEANTIFA article I'm tempted to write a letter to the dig about how they shut down Helvete as soon as I get my english paper out of the way. The funniest thing about the article is that all of the NEANTIFA's veiled threats read like something you would have seen in a Kerrang expose on Black Metal back in the early 90's. "We do not wish to reveal our full membership, mwhahahaha a member of the Black Circle/NEANTIFA could be right beside you, BEWARE!!!!!!" |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 14,2005 4:22pm - swamplorddvm ""] What's NEANTIFA stand for? amd which dig issue was it in? |
| ______________________________________________ [Apr 14,2005 4:32pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Northeast Anti Fascist and it's in this week's issue |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 14,2005 4:40pm - swamplorddvm ""] oh. Sorry, but what's on the cover? :p |
| ______________________________________________ [Apr 14,2005 5:00pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 15,2005 1:55am - Mrs. Grady ""] The dj from Nasty Habits is a member of antifa. Pretty sure he played a big role in shutting down Helvete. |
| _______________________________________ [Apr 15,2005 8:51am - Joe/NotCommon ""] any metal thats not the red chord cannot exist! - the guy from nasty habits (note, this is not a real quote) |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 15,2005 9:23am - Josh_Martin ""] Mrs. Grady said:The dj from Nasty Habits is a member of antifa. Pretty sure he played a big role in shutting down Helvete. That would explain a lot. Including why that show sucks. |
| ___________________________________________ [Apr 15,2005 11:20am - BestialOnslaught ""] I wouldn't be surprised if one person on this board was part of Antifa... |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 15,2005 11:21am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Josh Martin is the head of Antifa |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 15,2005 1:14pm - anonymous ""] i heard one of the guys from ramallah was a member. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 15,2005 1:21pm - KeithMutiny ""] OK OK, it was me, i got it shut down, sorry guys |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 15,2005 1:33pm - BestialOnslaught ""] anonymous said:i heard one of the guys from ramallah was a member. Ha! |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 16,2005 4:48am - DestroyYouAlot ""] Jesus fuck, I just read that whole damn thing. You people all owe me tho hours of sleep. Everyone on either extreme side of this issue is retarded, like, hockey-helmet-and-a-pokemon-shirt-and-you're-thirty-five retarded, everyone who made reasoned arguments without flame baiting rules, Helvete should stay, and I'm going the FUCK to bed. Good night. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 17,2005 1:37am - THAUMATURGE ""] WAIT WTF HAPENED TO THE HELVETE WEBSITE??? |
| _______________________________________ [Apr 17,2005 8:42am - Joe/NotCommon ""] It was devoured by Jesus Christ, the head of ANTIFA worldwide. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 17,2005 2:19pm - __THeMoor__ ""] this is ridiculous 99% of the people have no idea what their talking about. i can't believe this thread is still going on, let it go |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 21,2005 1:44am - anonyman ""] CNV nli said:voltairine said:"As far as the choice of music by WP/Rac bands played at Helvete we made a very concious effort to feature songs that dealt with aggression against ALL rather than blind race hate." "Dreadlocked bastard, gangster rapper Raping white women is all that he's after You've fooled the rest, but I know what you're about You're threats will fall silent when you're the body count" -from Bound for Glory, "ONE SHOT ONE KILL" "The streets are still, the final battle has ended Flushed with the fight, we proudly hail the dawn See over the streets, the white man's emblem is waving Triumphant standards of a race reborn" -from Skrewdriver, "HAIL THE NEW DAWN" G this thread is absolutely hilarious,by the way cnv STILL isnt aloud to play in boston because of that group,alot of good all the tough talk did! |
| _________________________________________________ [Jan 31,2006 12:29pm - just cant hate enough ""] actually CNV is going to be playing the Boston I heard and all people who attempt stop them will be crushed, so there was no tough talk, just truth, sometimes you just need patience. metal will always win over ignorant richkid political fanatics as neafac. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 31,2006 12:47pm - Yeti ""] i wish Worcester had a club like this. they have so many crappy ass venues run by complete jerkoffs. the last club that actually was decent was the Espresso Bar, but that was cool in 96, and would most likely suck ass now. if i had the resources i would totally open a metal club. damn finances. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 1,2010 11:46am - anonymous ""] it has been years. helvete needs to start back up. please make it happen. |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 1,2010 11:53am - bloblovesmusic ""] Yeti said:i wish Worcester had a club like this. they have so many crappy ass venues run by complete jerkoffs. the last club that actually was decent was the Espresso Bar, but that was cool in 96, and would most likely suck ass now. if i had the resources i would totally open a metal club. damn finances. 4 years later you have Ralphs and Metal Thursday! Suck it! |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 1,2010 12:18pm - AndrewBastard ""] not AT ALL EVEN FUCKING CLOSE....BOB! |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 1,2010 12:24pm - arilliusbm ""] Man.. I remember how pissed everyone was because of this. Hard to believe this was nearly 6 years ago. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 1,2010 12:24pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Hahaha, srsly. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 1,2010 12:26pm - arilliusbm ""] And yea. Make this shit happen again! |
| __________________________________ [Sep 1,2010 12:40pm - MLK NLI ""] Is this a white power club? |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 1,2010 12:44pm - RichHorror ""] Yes. |
| ____________________________________________ [Sep 1,2010 2:09pm - Who wants to know? ""] bennyhillifier |
| _______________________________________________________ [Sep 1,2010 2:20pm - HELVETE DOES NOT ENDORSE THIS ""] bennyhillifier |
| _________________________________ [Sep 1,2010 3:32pm - KPANZER ""] Let the dead rest in peace. Helvete is dead-long live Helvete |
| __________________________________ [Sep 1,2010 3:37pm - arktouros ""] DestroyYouAlot said:Jesus fuck, I just read that whole damn thing. You people all owe me tho hours of sleep. Everyone on either extreme side of this issue is retarded, like, hockey-helmet-and-a-pokemon-shirt-and-you're-thirty-five retarded, everyone who made reasoned arguments without flame baiting rules, Helvete should stay, and I'm going the FUCK to bed. Good night. yeah, wow, why did i read that. seems like even if helvete were to start up again the same shit would happen. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 1,2010 3:54pm - goatcatabisk ""] I wish this whole thing turned physical. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 1,2010 5:25pm - punk potenza ""] peace punks hah so stupid along with considering this was a WP or NSBM thing/ event. ignorant little cunts its an insult to punks to be lumped into the same group as these rich little turds. i had herd good things bout helvet and was hopping to mabey go to one or try and get my black metal band on a show sometime but oh well. good job on trying to do something nice for people to do on a monday night! |
| _____________________________ [Sep 2,2010 7:42am - Yeti ""] bloblovesmusic said: Yeti said:i wish Worcester had a club like this. they have so many crappy ass venues run by complete jerkoffs. the last club that actually was decent was the Espresso Bar, but that was cool in 96, and would most likely suck ass now. if i had the resources i would totally open a metal club. damn finances. 4 years later you have Ralphs and Metal Thursday! Suck it! haha seriously, things have dramatically changed in that regard. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 29,2015 7:12pm - 14/88 ""] Ten years later and the laughs are still on you Boston. Now you have politically correct faggot black metal bands. Fuck off. |
| ___________________________________________________ [Jan 30,2015 12:01am - Hitler had one testicle ""] Fuck off pretend nazi janssen dya anon |