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[Mar 20,2009 1:46am - secthammer  ""]

xanonymousx said:
DYA%20NLI said:"Compensating for something."


yeah lack of talent, i play better than these meatheads, all the west kids like the bass drops and the three different note chug breakdowns with a meshuggah esk lead for another lead break down.
go to hell and just listen to meshuggah or something



Good sentence. Winnar.

Song writing does not indicate technical ability and technicality does not indicate song writing. Ever notice why most "super groups" and "shred godzlol" end up churning out masturbatory meaningless bullshit.
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[Mar 20,2009 1:54am - secthammer  ""]
Sorry, i don't mean to sound like an asshole, I'm tired and irritated, please don't take shit too seriously.
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[Mar 20,2009 1:58am - sever ""]
LAND ON A CAHK, KEHD
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[Mar 20,2009 2:06am - secthammer  ""]
DATS IT URrrrrrrrrrrRRRRRRRRR OUTTA THE BAND@@2!!!
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[Mar 20,2009 4:12am - jebus_crispex ""]
THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS!
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[Mar 20,2009 7:39am - Yeti ""]

sever said:
MillenialKingdom said:
secthammer said:I think that impending doom should just break up. have you read their lyrics? laughable. Christian band.


So because they're Christian, they aren't allowed to express a viewpoint through their chosen medium? Yea, obviously the Christians are close-minded.



I've been on EVERY side of the religious fence - from hardcore christian to light agnostic to the full-blown atheist I am now. I used to "tolerate" the christian viewpoint, but the more and more I'm exposed to it while I'm on the other side, the more I'm disgusted.

The very moral and value sets that Western monotheistic culture is based on is what has allowed our rapid social evolution to happen - but it, in effect, is also what is setting us up for a rapid descent straight into the fucking ground.

Western civilization is permeated with several self-deceiving (and ultimately self-destructive) ideas: that humanity is a "chosen" species, that humanity is inherently superior to other species, and the worst: that Earth itself is a collection of resources, all of which are available for our exploitation and our exploitation only. The latter is the very foundation that our civilization is built upon - extracting resources from foreign areas and consuming them at a rate greater than they can be replenished. The Christian has built a world that is INHERENTLY set for destruction, bringing every human (and consequently every non-human) with it.

This is in direct contrast with what many pagan and native american tribes believed: that Earth is a living being with which we can deepen our relationship with. What these people believed (which in my opinion is far superior to the Christian viewpoint) motivated them to respect their environment because they were full-well aware that their environment was what ultimately allowed them to live.

That being said, Metal itself is a counter-culture genre. You can argue with me all you want, but the facts are right in front of you - there is a reason metal is based on extremities and aggression. The aggression is often times a direct result of a feeling of social anomie, a misanthropic demeanor, a disgust for the modern world we live in. You don't ever hear metal songs about how awesome it is to live in America - you hear just the opposite.

For this reason, I believe that "Christian" metal is not only laughable, but disgusting and insulting. When it is acceptable throughout the underground to use Metal to communicate viewpoints that perpetuate the status-quo that Metal itself was created to protest, we should all just give up on music.



i wholly agree with this. i've read both arguments and i do see the point that MillenialKingdom is making. to me, when you "change" the ideals of something to better fit the ways of the world, especially in a case like this where the original ideals were so viciously anti-everything and the focus of change is to make them positive, you are robbing the spirit and turning it into another mish-mash of unfocused ideas. you don't see Anti-Christian Gospel music, because the ideas would be lost. just like preaching a positive message through a negative outlet. i'll use Christian Black Metal as an example. i find that insulting because to me, i don't see anyone making music like that for any other reason than to shatter the fundamentals and be the band that says "we're changing things to be positive". the whole ideal of black metal is to spread fear and hate, and spit venom in the face of everything. yes its ridiculous and completely over the top, but that was the point. this world forces plastic happiness down our throats and seems to believe we should all join hands and sing "Come On People Now", but that's not realistic. humans are naturally evil, not that everything everyone does is evil, but the human plight is an inherently negative attitude. i personally see metal as the avenue to channel that negativity, and even then you can view it as positive. i don't think i'm speaking for myself here when i say that metal doesn't make me angry, in fact when i'm angry it cools me down. god has permeated every single aspect of life, you can't escape christ anywhere. metal was the only thing we had that was free of god. well not necessarily free of, considering the lyrical content, but it wasn't another way for god to be shoved down our throats. and now religion has once again robbed the essence of something it didn't agree with. ok rant over.
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[Mar 21,2009 12:09am - MillenialKingdom ""]
The people who "force" God down anyone's throat is getting in the way of God's work. I feel the best way to "preach" the Gospel is by being myself and living my life. I've always considered faith to be an organic, personal aspect of life and it's not really fair to "make" someone believe what you believe. That is the reason why Jesus gave us the parable of the wheat and the chaff.

Like I've said, I mostly agree with you guys about your stances on organized religion. I am vehemently anti-Catholicism. I feel a lot of their doctrines and practices to be utter nonsense. For example, I despise the image of the Pope. People treat him like a second Christ when he's just a bloated old man that Catholics practically worship. It's sickening.

I don't think that shoving God in a church building and expecting people to show up every single Sunday and give money every single week is actually progressing the human race. God works through personal interactions in our every day lives, not just on a Sunday morning.

I know it's pointless to defend myself but I only do it because I'm stressing the fact that I'm not the "average Christian". I do not represent the image of Christianity you all have encountered. I am just as angry about it as you are but for me, it's for a different reason.
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[Mar 21,2009 12:10am - MillenialKingdom ""]
By the way, I think this is the most I've ever delved into this topic besides the interaction I had with Murph a while back.
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[Mar 21,2009 12:05pm - secthammer  ""]
something else you might find as sickening as the Catholics, watch Jesus camp and watch what fundamentalism does to those kids. At one point the camp leaders have a group of children speaking in tongues to a cardboard cutout of George Bush. Horrifying.
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[Mar 21,2009 12:56pm - SkinSandwich ""]

sever said:
MillenialKingdom said:
secthammer said:I think that impending doom should just break up. have you read their lyrics? laughable. Christian band.


So because they're Christian, they aren't allowed to express a viewpoint through their chosen medium? Yea, obviously the Christians are close-minded.



I've been on EVERY side of the religious fence - from hardcore christian to light agnostic to the full-blown atheist I am now. I used to "tolerate" the christian viewpoint, but the more and more I'm exposed to it while I'm on the other side, the more I'm disgusted.

The very moral and value sets that Western monotheistic culture is based on is what has allowed our rapid social evolution to happen - but it, in effect, is also what is setting us up for a rapid descent straight into the fucking ground.

Western civilization is permeated with several self-deceiving (and ultimately self-destructive) ideas: that humanity is a "chosen" species, that humanity is inherently superior to other species, and the worst: that Earth itself is a collection of resources, all of which are available for our exploitation and our exploitation only. The latter is the very foundation that our civilization is built upon - extracting resources from foreign areas and consuming them at a rate greater than they can be replenished. The Christian has built a world that is INHERENTLY set for destruction, bringing every human (and consequently every non-human) with it.

This is in direct contrast with what many pagan and native american tribes believed: that Earth is a living being with which we can deepen our relationship with. What these people believed (which in my opinion is far superior to the Christian viewpoint) motivated them to respect their environment because they were full-well aware that their environment was what ultimately allowed them to live.

That being said, Metal itself is a counter-culture genre. You can argue with me all you want, but the facts are right in front of you - there is a reason metal is based on extremities and aggression. The aggression is often times a direct result of a feeling of social anomie, a misanthropic demeanor, a disgust for the modern world we live in. You don't ever hear metal songs about how awesome it is to live in America - you hear just the opposite.

For this reason, I believe that "Christian" metal is not only laughable, but disgusting and insulting. When it is acceptable throughout the underground to use Metal to communicate viewpoints that perpetuate the status-quo that Metal itself was created to protest, we should all just give up on music.




Shhh
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[Mar 21,2009 2:14pm - MillenialKingdom ""]

secthammer said:something else you might find as sickening as the Catholics, watch Jesus camp and watch what fundamentalism does to those kids. At one point the camp leaders have a group of children speaking in tongues to a cardboard cutout of George Bush. Horrifying.


Oh, I know. I wrote a blog about that documentary called "Jesus As A Political Movement?"

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[Mar 21,2009 5:18pm - degenerate bastard  ""]
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