As of 2009 all computers MUST be registered with the US government[views:20608][posts:143]______________________________________ [Nov 6,2008 11:59pm - the_reverend ""] tell tha to the militia formaly known as the branch davidians. also, you guys forget that england has a ban on guns and so does japan. your arguement is moot. I can cherry pick facts to support anything too. but pam is right. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 7,2008 12:00am - the_reverend ""] and japan is like 77 to 1 sword homicides to guns. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 7,2008 12:01am - the_reverend ""] when I become a 2nd degree black belt, I need to register my hands. |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 7,2008 12:06am - DaveFromTheGrave ""] sxealex said:i'm not against guns... im against carrying them around like an idiot in your car 1. What about carrying one around like a responsible person, rather than like an idiot? Loads of people carry guns all the time. Most of my coworkers keep a gun in their truck or car at work. If you are going to be in possession of a gun, doesn't it only make sense to have it on your person for when you need it? sxealex said: 2 dont you think its good that its illegal to have unregistered weapons otherwise gangs would have a ton of guns legally and no one can do shit... Actually, you couldn't do shit, because you'd be unarmed. Those of us who owned guns would be able to shoot back, which makes a world of difference. And since you brought up gangs, why don't you define "gang" for us? |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 7,2008 12:10am - concretesean ""] This could all be put to rest with the first Death Wish. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 7,2008 12:17am - grizloch ""] [Nov 6,2008 7:35pm - y_ddraig_goch]computers can easily be used to kill, how do you think terrorists communicate and recruit? they drop in at cafes and upload their videos. Im not sure if this is a joke or not, but the ridiculousness of most of these posts is so great that Im going to treat it like its not I said "physically kill," not come up with software that will calculate the exact right moment to flick someones throat so as to collapse their trachea with the least effort, when thousands of people a year get physically beat to death by urban kids with laptops... well then I'll be the first person to register my computer, until then this comparison is in no way valid GUNS WERE CREATED TO KILL, IF YOU DISAGREE YOU ARE RETARDED, SEEK HELP saying guns limit crime because someone out there is scared that the person they victimize might have a gun is ludicrous, like someone above posted, guns are the great equalizer, if they think you have a gun AND a sweet new plasma tv, they will bring their own gun, upping the likelihood that someone will by shot 100% registering guns is EXACTLY what separates those urban youths from people that CAN handle guns, I have no idea what peoples problems are with it, I mean EXACTLY what is it that you are pissed about? you get to have a gun, you get to shoot shit, people still dont know whether or not you have a gun, so by your argument they wont victimize you, your government cant bust into your house and steal your semen for genetic engineering purposes, AND when some black kid does kill someone, maybe they track him easier, at least to the honest, god fearing, white gun owner he stole it from, and for what? one form that you need to fill out and a possible waiting period? change your tampon and shut the fuck up and if I'm missing some big truth here and I really just don't get it, explain it in english, not NRA rhetoric or twisting around legalize to suit your purposes, what exactly causes you personally to be frustrated by this Hoser? I really want to understand exactly how this changes any part of your life? do you really have so much invested in murdering prostitutes that you don't want to register your weapon or is it something else? aside from that last little quip I am totally serious, please someone satisfy my intellectual curiosity (without the use of the word "rights" preferably) |
| ________________________________ [Nov 7,2008 1:27am - sxealex ""] DaveFromTheGrave said: sxealex said:i'm not against guns... im against carrying them around like an idiot in your car 1. What about carrying one around like a responsible person, rather than like an idiot? Loads of people carry guns all the time. Most of my coworkers keep a gun in their truck or car at work. If you are going to be in possession of a gun, doesn't it only make sense to have it on your person for when you need it? sxealex said: 2 dont you think its good that its illegal to have unregistered weapons otherwise gangs would have a ton of guns legally and no one can do shit... Actually, you couldn't do shit, because you'd be unarmed. Those of us who owned guns would be able to shoot back, which makes a world of difference. And since you brought up gangs, why don't you define "gang" for us? I need to define a gang for you??? Wtf... you can't look it up yourself? Your co workers have registered guns and are not idiots I might assume... if not they get arrested when they get pulled over and are idiots. As I said I have nothing against guns. I just don't understand why we should have unregistered ones in public. The wild west is over. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 7,2008 1:31am - sxealex ""] and grizloch it was def a joke XD |
| ______________________________ [Nov 7,2008 2:26pm - Hoser ""] the_reverend said:considering a 22 cause you can have one in NH with out any paperwork. This is untrue. Any gun that you buy regardless of caliber involves paperwork unless it's a muzzle loader. No gun shop will sell you a gun without doing a federal background check 1st. Believe me, I buy a lot of guns. Also...mentally handicapped and felons cannot buy guns as it stands. That's a well known fact. And I wouldn't worry about getting shot if you enter someone's home and announce your presence in a clear and loud voice...unless you're robbing the joint...then I wouldn't announce yourself. |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 7,2008 2:31pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] swords > guns |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 7,2008 2:39pm - the_reverend ""] Hoser, I mean you don't need to do anything after buying it except just have a gun. boom baby. BTW: the last gun I shot was a black powder/muzzle loader that my dad left the caps on. I grew up in a house with many many many guns. once our places was even broken into and all my dad's guns were stolen out of his gun safe. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 7,2008 2:55pm - porphyria ""] grizloch said: Im not sure if this is a joke or not, but the ridiculousness of most of these posts is so great that Im going to treat it like its not I said "physically kill," not come up with software that will calculate the exact right moment to flick someones throat so as to collapse their trachea with the least effort, when thousands of people a year get physically beat to death by urban kids with laptops... well then I'll be the first person to register my computer, until then this comparison is in no way valid GUNS WERE CREATED TO KILL, IF YOU DISAGREE YOU ARE RETARDED, SEEK HELP saying guns limit crime because someone out there is scared that the person they victimize might have a gun is ludicrous, like someone above posted, guns are the great equalizer, if they think you have a gun AND a sweet new plasma tv, they will bring their own gun, upping the likelihood that someone will by shot 100% registering guns is EXACTLY what separates those urban youths from people that CAN handle guns, I have no idea what peoples problems are with it, I mean EXACTLY what is it that you are pissed about? you get to have a gun, you get to shoot shit, people still dont know whether or not you have a gun, so by your argument they wont victimize you, your government cant bust into your house and steal your semen for genetic engineering purposes, AND when some black kid does kill someone, maybe they track him easier, at least to the honest, god fearing, white gun owner he stole it from, and for what? one form that you need to fill out and a possible waiting period? change your tampon and shut the fuck up and if I'm missing some big truth here and I really just don't get it, explain it in english, not NRA rhetoric or twisting around legalize to suit your purposes, what exactly causes you personally to be frustrated by this Hoser? I really want to understand exactly how this changes any part of your life? do you really have so much invested in murdering prostitutes that you don't want to register your weapon or is it something else? aside from that last little quip I am totally serious, please someone satisfy my intellectual curiosity (without the use of the word "rights" preferably) +1 |
| ______________________________ [Nov 7,2008 3:55pm - Hoser ""] I've attached a few resources...I'll let you all draw your own conclusions. I'm tired of typing. http://www.garrybreitkreuz.com/breitkreuzgpress/990628.html http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/c...est_contributors/article2409817.ece Both great reads....I even learned something. You won't listen to me anyway, so read this and see if it opens your eyes. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 7,2008 4:03pm - Josh_Martin ""] Hoser said:As he also stated, gun registration would be the stepping stone that leads to greater and greater gun restrictions. If the Constitution can be bent, they will bend it until it breaks. Why, oh why, oh why couldn't you (and neocons in general) understand that point when it came to bullshit like the Patriot Act???? |
| _________________________________ [Nov 8,2008 1:03am - grizloch ""] so from reading those two articles I've learned nothing about what I asked, each of the arguments are superseded by a complete lack of explanation for exactly why people who own guns don't want to register them, basing them on the assumption that people just don't, well why not? what's the issue? this is a simple and legitimate question with a simple and theoretically legitimate answer, hold the politics and rhetoric please |
| __________________________________ [Nov 8,2008 10:34am - Niccolai ""] I'm sick of the psuedo-redneck whimpering about gun laws being unconcstitutional. The constitution is archaic to a flaw and never left any headroom to look at what gun controll may be like in the future. When they start taking them away from us registered, and responsible gun owners, then I will start bitching. but they aren't doing that at all. Here, fill out this sheet and you can have all the fucking guns you want because if someone steals it and goes window-shopping with it, we want to have an idea of where it came from. sounds legit to me. |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 8,2008 10:42am - corpus_colostomy ""] those who wield the term 'psudeo-redneck' are merely psudeo-intellectual..but i have heard you talk about music gear so...i already knew that. :ralphie: huge lol at 'archaic to a flaw.' |
| __________________________________ [Nov 8,2008 11:08am - Niccolai ""] [img] |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 8,2008 11:11am - y_ddraig_goch ""] Niccolai said:. When they start taking them away from us registered, and responsible gun owners, then I will start bitching. but they aren't doing that at all. . YET. should be the word to end that sentence. My argument isn't against having to search your background. that's just the right thing to do. mine is against being thrown on a watch list so every time a gun crime happens in your area they take you in for questioning. It's the same thing as when you buy the anarchist cookbook...they register you. I'm sure our local rttp librarian will confirm that fact too. when you take out books on urban warfare they send your name to the fbi By having your name in some book they just know where to look for you when they decide to outlaw guns...which is going to happen in the very near future. And still all the uber-liberals, and i'm quite liberal and open minded my self but some of the people on here surprise me with there sheer sheep-orwellian doublethink, will not understand the fact that most gun crimes are tied to illegally bought guns anyways. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 8,2008 11:18am - the_reverend ""] they also haven't yet started rounding up jews in this country and killing them in gas chambers. YET. |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 8,2008 11:20am - y_ddraig_goch ""] the_reverend said:they also haven't yet started rounding up jews in this country and killing them in gas chambers. YET. Nah they don't do it be race anymore, that card is played out. now all the worlds problems are blamed on "illegal aliens" |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 8,2008 11:26am - FuckIsMySignature ""] y_ddraig_goch said: the_reverend said:they also haven't yet started rounding up jews in this country and killing them in gas chambers. YET. Nah they don't do it be race anymore, that card is played out. now all the worlds problems are blamed on "illegal aliens" [img] |
| _______________________________ [Nov 8,2008 12:19pm - Hoser ""] Take a walk in my shoes for a few days, Niccolai... There is nothing legit about forcing law abiding citizens to pay a fee to register their guns. It's my fuckin' right to own one and I already paid the tax on it. Over 90% of gun crimes are committed with guns that were purchased illegally either on the black market or elsewhere. It's a crock of bullshit to have to register it so that I get to be questioned everytime some knucklehead is murdered with a gun that just happens to be in one of the calibers that I own. Don't you assholes see that it's fucking NAZI to do this? I really don't understand why you don't fucking get it. Also, there has been no greater success in solving gun crimes involving registered guns. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte.../2007/11/12/AR2007111201818_pf.html Jesus H. Christ you Liberals want more laws than the world can handle? How liberal are you, really? |
| _______________________________ [Nov 8,2008 12:21pm - Hoser ""] Here's another one....Shut your mouth and read it in it's entirety before you speak. http://yedies.blogspot.com/2007/09/gun-con...ol-failure-in-preventing-crime.html |
| _________________________________ [Nov 8,2008 1:10pm - grizloch ""] FIRST, a blog is NOT a credible source, but given the nature of my question I will accept it, kudos on avoiding answering the question yourself though ...and Im a sheep... that blog says, states with cities of greater population than the WHOLE of vermont and maine, thereby having a much greater population of impoverished city dwellers (those most likely to commit gun crimes), have higher crime rates than vermont and maine, I honestly never would have guessed that... you people are seeking to make invalid correlations between two geographic land masses without taking any other variables into account, more people die of old age every year per capita in boston than in bumfuck maine too, but we arent trying to abolish health care and saying that because gun registration doesnt solve ALL gun crime and therefore should be thrown out is ludicrous, thats like saying I need to install a light fixture for which I need a several tools, these wire nuts wont install the whole thing by themselves, better just throw them away... (if that metaphor is too obtuse let me know and I'll come up with another) then they go on to use the old slippery slope fallacy, first gun registration, then knife registration, then gun and knife BANS, THIS IS MERICA, I GOTS ME A GUN AND COLD FINGERS AND YOU ARENT MY HUE, FUCKING LEARN THE LANGUAGE, GOD ISNT A CHOICE, DRINK BEER... this is ludicrous too, all politicians love the slippery slope fallacy, but its flawed logic, if it worked than people in Massachusetts would be trying to marry goats by now I am not anti-gun (nor am I liberal), most of my best friends own guns, if they need to pay a little extra for that right (much like the whole freedom isnt free thing that you people have such a hardon for...) then they should do it and quit whining (none of them do), and PLEASE tell me that if your gun was stolen and then retrieved and returned by police who knew it was registered to you you wouldn't be jerking off at that legislation why is it a crock of bullshit for you to be questioned by the police in a murder investigation? are you pro murder? what do you have to hide? if you havent murdered anyone you aren't likely to be considered as a suspect, what if you match the description of the murderer, you'll be questioned, is it a crock of bullshit because you're white and he's white? should all murderers automatically be assumed to be taller or shorter than you? maybe just a different color so you will never have to be inconvenienced by our police force... it's Nazi to BAN guns, no one has done that here and only douchey idiots advocate it, it would never fly and you and I both know it, so dont bother bitching about it or making false correlations |
| ______________________________ [Nov 8,2008 5:29pm - Hoser ""] Well said....even though your argument has more holes than swiss cheese. I think that you should have to pay more money to Uncle Obama to register your lawfully owned purchases as well. While we're at it, lets have a national ID card and register everything!!! I'm gonna go murder someone with a butter knife just so that you have to pay money to register all of your butter knives from now on...we'll see how you feel then... AND...if you condone gun registration, you ARE a liberal...you're not fooling anyone except yourself. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 8,2008 5:48pm - the_reverend ""] hoser, google for real id which is already going into effect. NH is on of the first pilot states, but they are ppushing back against the federal government aboot it. |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 8,2008 6:37pm - Conservationist ""] the_reverend said:considering a 22 cause you can have one in NH with out any paperwork. 22s are a fuckload of fun if you have a good place to shoot 'em. Ruger makes a nice rifle... |
| _________________________________ [Nov 9,2008 5:00am - grizloch ""] if you eat fried chicken you must be black, thats solid logic... my lawfully purchased items weren't designed and refined for the sole purpose of killing, neither were butter knifes (those are for butter), while I'm glad that that gets you wet in your panties, and more power to you, you have yet to give a single valid argument to oppose gun registration, you're and you're sources' correlations have all been false or distant at the very least, and like it or not, your inconvenience is not worth a human life, sorry to debase your god complex I really really want to understand where you're coming from, but at this point I don't think even you know why you're against gun registration please point out the flaws in my logic too, if you would be so inclined, I would love to refine the parts that you apparently don't understand |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 9,2008 5:27am - douchebag_patrol ""] [img] |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 9,2008 9:53am - y_ddraig_goch ""] grizloch said:if you eat fried chicken you must be black, thats solid logic... you're sources' please point out the flaws in my logic too, You're lack of grammar skills undermines you're attempt at arguing. |
| _______________________________ [Nov 9,2008 10:58am - Hoser ""] "your" lack of grammar skills. hahahahahaha |
| _______________________________ [Nov 9,2008 10:58am - Hoser ""] "your" attempt. |
| _______________________________ [Nov 9,2008 10:59am - Hoser ""] sorry man....not trying to be a dick. |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 9,2008 11:03am - y_ddraig_goch ""] my "you're's" where meant to be sarcastic |
| ______________________________ [Nov 9,2008 3:30pm - Hoser ""] Oh...shit. Sorry man. |
| _________________________________ [Nov 9,2008 6:51pm - grizloch ""] while I appreciate you're very mature attempt at discrediting my argument for grammar's sake (posted at 5am by the way), goch, I sense that you have no real response and therefore are a coward or truly have no legitimate response, in which case your a sheep, which is almost as bad thanks for playing I'm still waiting... |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 9,2008 8:30pm - y_ddraig_goch ""] grizloch said:while I appreciate you're very mature attempt at discrediting my argument for grammar's sake (posted at 5am by the way), goch, I sense that you have no real response and therefore are a coward or truly have no legitimate response, in which case your a sheep, which is almost as bad thanks for playing I'm still waiting... no reason arguing anymore. I think guns are awesome and should be protected. I like the constitution as well. It's become rather boring arguing back and forth. So let's find something we can agree on. abortions. they're awesome. |
| _____________________________ [Nov 9,2008 8:47pm - Lamp ""] I like abortions but am not too fond of arbortions. |
| _________________________________ [Nov 9,2008 8:50pm - grizloch ""] abortions are amazing, so are guns, if only we could combine the two, that's MY America I'm still for gun registration |