black guys as preppies?
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[Sep 22,2010 11:39pm - the_reverend ""]
http://www.unabashedlyprep.com/site/the-black-ivy/
[Sep 22,2010 11:44pm - Woah!_Shut_It_Down! ""]
-50 Years Of Progress. Go Back To Segregated Water Fountains, Colored.
[Sep 22,2010 11:49pm - the_reverend ""]
idk, they look pretty slick in those cardigans.
[img]I have a book some where that has all pictures like that of "negroids"
[Sep 22,2010 11:51pm - Woah!_Shut_It_Down! ""]
Dis scince shit be tryin' keep bruddas back in slabery, yo.
[Sep 22,2010 11:56pm - the_reverend ""]
back to the back of the bus... BREAKDOWN.
[Sep 23,2010 12:08am - joeyumbrella ""]
where all the white women at?
[Sep 23,2010 12:15am - Alx_Casket ""]
I continue to live, burdened by the knowledge that I will never know the black man's pain.
[Sep 23,2010 12:59am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
Dude there is a guy with glasses, a bow tie, and Steve Urkel suspenders. Amazing.
[Sep 23,2010 7:52am - ShadowSD ""]
Being a prep is actually pretty color blind, historically I'm reminded all the way back to a character like Thomas from the movie Glory, the examples go a long way. What's weird and disturbing is suburban white kids who think parodying ebonics and urban dress is anything but incredibly offensive. Those idiots are a new phenomenon that didn't exist at all until fifteen/twenty years ago.
[Sep 23,2010 8:42am - boxxy ""]
ShadowSD said:Being a prep is actually pretty color blind, historically I'm reminded all the way back to a character like Thomas from the movie Glory, the examples go a long way. What's weird and disturbing is suburban white kids who think parodying ebonics and urban dress is anything but incredibly offensive. Those idiots are a new phenomenon that didn't exist at all until fifteen/twenty years ago.
Are you referring to what most people call "wiggers"? Because it's pretty narrow minded to say that suburban white kids have to dress, or talk a certain way. (or that they CAN'T dress or talk a certain way) And can there not be suburban black kids? What about when THEY speak in ebonics and dress with urban flair? Is THAT ok just because they're black? How people want to speak, or to dress, is totally up to them, and to look down on them for it is closed minded.
[Sep 23,2010 9:42am - sinistas ""]
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[Sep 23,2010 9:50am - nekronaut ""]
arilliusbm said:this thread is racist
[Sep 23,2010 9:51am - arilliusbm ""]
I don't know. I've always hated urban fashion when it's coming from snobby rich white kids from suburbia. Yes, you're not supposed to judge a book by it's cover, but give me a fucking break. The only reason sagging pants got in style is because the slave owners wouldn't allow slaves to wear belts.. same thing in prison. They don't want inmates to hang themselves or use them as weapons. So when I see a white kid whose parents make a combined 400k a year dressing like he from the streets of Harlem, GTFO poser. Keep that shit in urban areas and get your act together.
[Sep 23,2010 10:53am - ShadowSD ""]
boxxy said:Are you referring to what most people call "wiggers"? Because it's pretty narrow minded to say that suburban white kids have to dress, or talk a certain way. (or that they CAN'T dress or talk a certain way) And can there not be suburban black kids? What about when THEY speak in ebonics and dress with urban flair? Is THAT ok just because they're black? How people want to speak, or to dress, is totally up to them, and to look down on them for it is closed minded.
People can and are going to do whatever they want, but arillusbm is right, for middle class or rich white kids to purposefully mimick the gestures and mannerisms of the black and poor is pretty fucked up; it used to be called blackface when this happened in the old days, but somehow became acceptable in an era that started in about 1993 with majority white record executives mass-marketing rap to suburban white teenagers. Your analogy of the reverse fails because there's no such thing as "whiteface" and I was the one in this thread who to first said the obvious fact that preppies can be black or any color; there is no such thing as "acting black" as we're all individuals, there IS however (just like the Cagney accent among some of the British) a certain dialect and mannerism that evolved among urban poor blacks that the worst and most demeaning caricature of which is for some reason mimicked by dumbfuck rich white kids who think they're tough and cool - and they are completely oblivious as to how absolutely fucking racist it is, nor does anyone call them out on it.
Don't tell me it's closed minded to realize it's in poor taste, it's closed-minded not to; it's openly making fun of a demeaning caricature of of a race considered completely accepable for the purposes of mass selling CD's and clothes to idiots, and while rich white kids are obviously free to walk around with fake accents 24-7 acting like the ugliest underclass stereotype of a black person (or an Indian person or a Chinese person for that matter), I am equally free to point out that they're fucked up to do it, and that it's also fucked up that such behavior is considered acceptable only as long as it's the poor urban black caricature being parodied.
[Sep 23,2010 11:07am - arilliusbm ""]
This is what it means to be a real, surburban white thug:
bennyhillifier
[Sep 23,2010 11:16am - boxxy ""]
you can explain away how it makes you feel all you want. The fact is that people can dress how they want... That's as far as topic needs to go, any further than that is just trying to make yourself feel better. Yes, to YOU they might resemble black kids from poverty, to them they might look cool. Kids wanna dress how their heroes do, and what's wrong with kids having rappers as heroes? NOTHING IMHO, but obviously you don't think that's ok... you do realize you're saying that right? That they shouldn't be able to dress like and emulate the way their heroes/idols talk, just because those heroes happened to have come from a lower class than they were born in.
Think about it.
[Sep 23,2010 11:23am - arilliusbm ""]
As long as they have direction in their life there is no reason to say anything. Nothing worse than a bunch of degenerate fucks that ... Oh wait, hi Rttp
[Sep 23,2010 11:31am - ShadowSD ""]
I went to high school starting in 1993, I saw the change that year and how forced it was, watching a majority of preppie white kids being pressured because they saw their friends acting and talking a certain way so they did it too, and those who they emulated in the first place did it to begin with because of mass marketing that made THEM think everyone else was doing it.
All along no one stopped to think for themselves for five seconds to think about how racist it was for a bunch of suburban white kids to imitate and caricature the mannerisms of a negative racial poverty stereotype.
You're absolutely right that there shouldn't be boundaries of class or anything else binding anyone, but that certainly doesn't succeed if mass marketing is generating unlimited copies of negative class and race caricatures that we continue to perpetuate, and without the least bit of self-awareness about it. Think about that.
boxxy said:That they shouldn't be able to dress like and emulate the way their heroes/idols talk
I consider Iron Maiden and Helloween and Stratovarius among some of the bands I've always really liked/admired, but am I going to swagger around permanently speaking in an exaggerated British or German or Finnish accent? No - because that would make me an ASS.
When I went to see Iron Maiden some years back and Bruce said don't smoke weed everybody, even though I idolize Iron Maiden, I sparked up that second - because I can think FOR MYSELF.
People are free to do anything - but are generally better off thinking for themselves and not being an ass, surely we can agree on that much.
[Sep 23,2010 11:36am - IllinoisEnemaBradness ""]
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[Sep 23,2010 11:46am - boxxy ""]
Ok, well now you're talking about something totally different. I agree that kids shouldn't be sheep and just dress a certain way to fit in.... it's gonna happen no matter what, and most of them will grow out of it, but yeah, it's silly.
What you said before about "white suburban kids" being "incredibly offensive idiots" for trying to dress like the black lower class... now that's a totally different argument, and my argument from my earlier post still stands.
[Sep 23,2010 12:21pm - poopshit ""]
oh, the the irony of those complaining about people copying black styles... ever heard of this style of music called "rock'n'roll"? shamelessly ripped from black guys. clearly, the irony is lost on the douches complaining here that your favorite music, metal, came from all of this.
do you use the word "cool"? do you call your friends "man"? then you're copying black styles.
if a dude is a gearhead, let him be greasy and talk car shit and slang with his friends. if a dude is into literature, let him be some nerd and make witty references all day long with his other geek friends. if someone is into lifting weights, mixed martial arts, painting, horror movies, goth music, OR hip-hop music, chances are they might get drawn into the extra aspects surrounding it. what is so hard to understand about that?
if you don't LIKE rap or black people, just say that and don't try to explain it all away. Nirvana was huge in the early 90s too and tons of douches, middle and upper class douches, started wearing dirty ripped jeans and flannels tied around their wastes (clearly not a way to look objectively "middle class").... looking like heroin addict degenerates from the west coast. who gives a fuck?
look at how many douches in the past ten years wore mesh hats and wore funny moustaches and drank shitty beer. people just get drawn to different shit, don't single one out.
[Sep 23,2010 12:28pm - boxxy ""]
poopshit said:oh, the the irony of those complaining about people copying black styles... ever heard of this style of music called "rock'n'roll"? shamelessly ripped from black guys. clearly, the irony is lost on the douches complaining here that your favorite music, metal, came from all of this.
do you use the word "cool"? do you call your friends "man"? then you're copying black styles.
if a dude is a gearhead, let him be greasy and talk car shit and slang with his friends. if a dude is into literature, let him be some nerd and make witty references all day long with his other geek friends. if someone is into lifting weights, mixed martial arts, painting, horror movies, goth music, OR hip-hop music, chances are they might get drawn into the extra aspects surrounding it. what is so hard to understand about that?
if you don't LIKE rap or black people, just say that and don't try to explain it all away. Nirvana was huge in the early 90s too and tons of douches, middle and upper class douches, started wearing dirty ripped jeans and flannels tied around their wastes (clearly not a way to look objectively "middle class").... looking like heroin addict degenerates from the west coast. who gives a fuck?
look at how many douches in the past ten years wore mesh hats and wore funny moustaches and drank shitty beer. people just get drawn to different shit, don't single one out.
thank you... whoever you are... it's nice to see that SOMEBODY gets what i'm saying.
[Sep 23,2010 12:29pm - arilliusbm ""]
1.) modern rap sucks
2.) only rap from the 80s and 90s is real
3.) MTV is and has been the demise of our generation.
[Sep 23,2010 12:36pm - arilliusbm ""]
4.) Those who have the opportunities to better their life ( in this case, rich or middleclass white/black/Asian/whatever kids who idolize inner city pop/thug culture) should be bound and gagged for not taking advantage. Not everyone has the opportunity to expand their life, and those who don't must work their asses off so they can. If this opportunity is handed to you on a silver platter and you refuse to accept it because you idolize those who don't, then you FAIL and are a leech to society. Yes, I'm looking at you surburban low life scumbags who have the potential but fail to run with it.
In short, get a fucking job, stay in school, and listen or dress however the fuck you want.
Blame the parents. Too worried about their trust fund and not worried about their kids.
[Sep 23,2010 12:39pm - RichHorror ""]
OBAMA
[Sep 23,2010 12:41pm - poopshit ""]
1.) modern rap sucks
well, yeah modern MAINSTREAM rap definitely sucks. i hear you.
2.) only rap from the 80s and 90s is real
well.... that shit is awesome, but again, you gotta go underground to get ANYTHING good. i mean, if you're just basing it off what you hear when you scan stations on the way to work, then of course. shit fucking blows now. gotta go underground. gotta go underground.
3.) MTV is and has been the demise of our generation.
absolutely agree, but i will add in all television, marketing, blah blah, mass media as a whole.
[Sep 23,2010 12:42pm - arilliusbm ""]
Agreed. Underground Hiphop is the best today. Mainstream shit is clicks and whistles.
[Sep 23,2010 12:43pm - boxxy ""]
how can you say that if a kid is into hip hop culture than he's not expanding his life? Or taking advantage of his opportunities? Just because of the way they dress or talk? REALLY? Why, because you don't like the music/style? Come on man, i'm sure there are plenty of kids who dress in "urban" styles who go to college and get good jobs.
wait.. you're obviously just trying to sound like an idiot, haha, i get it. You're funny.
[Sep 23,2010 12:45pm - boxxy ""]
Jim, seriously, think about this. I grew up in suburban, middle class america. But i didn't go to Harvard and get a job as a lawyer or working in the stock market, i've devoted my life to making music... but if i did the exact same thing, but dressed urban, and devoted my life to hip-hop, you would think i was a leech on society? Why? It doesn't make sense.
[Sep 23,2010 12:48pm - arilliusbm ""]
I stated it because you cannot deny the morons who fail to improve their life when it is handed to them on a silver platter. Granted this doesn't apply to all surburban thugs, but it seems that because they idolize those who have little opportunity to better their life,they're exempt from it because they could care less.
Meanwhile you have poor kids in the ghetto trying their hardest to get out of the ghetto and improve their life. I guess all it takes is an attempted rape gone awry and a hit Internet autotune remix made by surburban whites to get out of the jam.
And no, I'm friends with a few wiggers, but they know wassup and aren't leeches to society.
[Sep 23,2010 12:49pm - poopshit ""]
if a kid follows the wrong path in life because of some music he hears and some slang and attitude he gets drawn to, i would guess that he would've done that eventually with something else.
i knew plenty of "wigger" kids of all classes who became engineers or computer dudes or accountants or whatever, because independent of their style, they wanted to DO that shit.
there will always be fuckups who squander opportunities in all economic classes, regardless of whatever style or idiom they get into. look at all te rich lacrosse-playing doucheboxes who are dying from heroin and OCs these days.
don't get me wrong, i'm sure that some kids got drawn to the dark side quicker because of the glamor of hip-hop and being ghetto and all that (let's face it, some people do idolize it) but i would venture that a good percentage of fuckups will be fuckups no matter what.
[Sep 23,2010 12:52pm - boxxy ""]
again, exactly. I like poopshit.
[Sep 23,2010 12:54pm - arilliusbm ""]
Yea.. It doesnt matter what cliche you follow. I'm just sick of seeing people take shut for granted and turn into leeches; sadly a lot of suburban "thugs" fall under that category.
But, it's their life, they can do what they want.
Same goes for basement black metal dudes. Oh wait, I guess I'm one of those
[Sep 23,2010 12:59pm - boxxy ""]
Jim, you have been enlightened.
[Sep 23,2010 1:01pm - arilliusbm ""]
from here on, I will be known as "arilliusST"
Suburban Thug
[Sep 23,2010 1:04pm - dertoxia ""]
All i know is I live just outside of suburbia, not in the country but not exactly in the suburbs. When I was in high school there were like 5 or 6 black kids initially. They all acted thug like they were from some inner city (even the one who lived on a farm). Then one day a new kid moved in who said he was from the bronx (which i suspect may not be true). Instantly he was in their circle. I understand that it probably had more to do with the fact that they had the same color skin and felt safer around each other than a bunch of rednecks (except for the most part they were all rednecks too). It's just weird that he didn't seem to notice or care that none of these other kids were genuinely 'ghetto'.
[Sep 23,2010 1:06pm - boxxy ""]
I don't get the point of your story, is it that yes, even black kids can be racist too? Cause that's true, but not news.
[Sep 23,2010 1:11pm - arilliusST ""]
yo wassup my niggas!!!!
[Sep 23,2010 1:48pm - ShadowSD ""]
poopshit said:oh, the the irony of those complaining about people copying black styles... ever heard of this style of music called "rock'n'roll"? shamelessly ripped from black guys. clearly, the irony is lost on the douches complaining here that your favorite music, metal, came from all of this.
do you use the word "cool"? do you call your friends "man"? then you're copying black styles.
Copying black styles is fine. Mocking black stereotypes isn't. Have we completely lost all ability to see the line?
I'll make it simple:
As a white guy, if I went outside right now hamming up the most exaggerated imitation of the accent and mannerisms of the worst Asian American or Indian or Jewish or Native American poverty stereotypes, I'd rightfully be looked at as a jackass at the very least. If I went outside and hammed up the the most exaggerated imations of the accent and mannerisms of the worst African American poverty stereotypes, people would assume I was talking street and so it's OK. Don't you see something wrong with that? There's something seriously wrong with that negative sort of exception, and pointing that out is not a "dislike for black people" or "black styles", quite the contrary.
By the way, I say cool and man ALL the time. However, I don't say yo yo yo what's up my nigger, because I don't want to be confused with all the suburban whites of my age and younger who fail to see how that's offensive given that whites enslaved blacks on this continent for hundreds of years. Must they also be endlessly mocked and parodied as a commercial commodity for spoiled rich white kids with no respect or sense of history?
The blues worked their way from African Americans to Americans of all races in a completely organic and normal fashion; on the other hand, the more recent planned marketing of poor black culture to affluent white teens by even more affluent white executives really had nothing to do with art or music at all, it began in a corporate boardroom, and was a targeted commercial campaign that ultimately made it acceptable for rich white kids to openly imitate a caricature of poor urban blacks until the guise of reverance. I don't find such supposed reverance the least bit credible or respectful.
[Sep 23,2010 2:43pm - ShadowSD ""]
To put it another way, I'm reminded of the Lindsey Nagel moment in the classic Poochie episode of the Simpsons. As the obvious symbol for the corporate hack in any creative television session, her two contributions were "let's put him in a hip-hop context" and "let's Rastafarianize him x percent". It was one of the funniest moments of the episode: the lily-white corporate exec lady gleefully marketing black culture and dicing it into pieces to sell to suburban white kids without the least bit of self-awareness, guilt, or sense of irony. The Simpsons got it - why don't you?
[Sep 23,2010 2:45pm - poopshit ""]
with all due respect, i don't think you're getting what i'm saying.
first:
all of this poor African American slang, mannerisms, and fashion gets transported to suburban white youth through a very particular means - humankind's strongest language: MUSIC!
of COURSE people would see you as a jack-ass if you were doing the worst Asian American stereotypes or Native American or whatever. inthe US, there's no music associated with it in pop culture. African American styles have played a HUGE role in what has entertained tons of people for years and years now, so naturally a percentage of people from all walks of life are going to be drawn to the surrounding aspects. Africans in Liberia, one of the world's worst countries for fuck's sake, mimic American hip-hop stylings and they're fucking poorer than any black dude here. i can't think of any other examples of other cultures that come even close to the pervasiveness of what African Americans have created.
to put it really simple: MUSIC is a huge vehicle for expression and a LOT of peripheral things can stick to certain forms and stay on for the ride. clothing, styles, art, slang, choice of drugs (how many people do you know drop ecstasy at MDF? how many people are blazed at sXe shows?), habits, whatever. just like a bunch of kids had greasy, shitty hair and torn jeans in the early 90s because they saw fucking Stone Temple Pilots on MTV, a bunch of other kids got into baggy pants and sports jerseys or whatever when they saw rap videos. just like there were all those Japanese skate-thrash people dressing like East L.A. gangstas and Mike Muir and shit. people just do that!
yeah, i agree with you that there is some irony that well-to-do kids ape the styles of people who are comparatively disenfranchised, but to focus only on that is missing the picture. it's MUSIC and along with that frequently comes a lot of other shit.
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second: while i agree that hip-hop and all its mannerisms and associated lifestyle stuff definitely got a huge boost from marketing, to claim that as the sole driving force for all these suburban kids becoming wiggers is a little extreme. you sound like you never met a white kid who was into rap before 1993 or something.
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last, re: blues and rock'n'roll working their way through to whites in an organic matter. you're kidding yourself if you think that. as documented in about a million places, it was fucking jungle music to most white families in the 50s until dudes like Elvis came along. i don't think it was some conspiracy to steal their music, it's just that people like shit that's served up to them by people they're not scared of. to me it's the same thing when a teenager can listen to gay deathcore shit made by people who look like his friends, and know nothing about something like Autopsy.
[Sep 23,2010 2:47pm - arilliusbm ""]
god damn this argument is long now. can't read at work.
Paraphrase points plz
[Sep 23,2010 2:50pm - poopshit ""]
re: second post, Simpsons etc.
sure man, marketing is terrible. but you're talking like there was The Great African-American Marketing Blitzkrieg of 1993 and all of your friends dropped you because of it. a bunch of other shit got marketed too, i don't know why you're so burnt about the black guys.
[Sep 23,2010 3:08pm - poopshit ""]
ok.... re-reading all of this, i see we're just arguing different points.
i'm just focusing on the phenomenon of kids being drawn to it, and it doesn't bother me if a middle-class kid finds such-and-such a style attractive, because it's just one style out of a gazillion other ones.
however, when it comes to your sore-spot about the marketing: i don't think marketing execs are doing some nefarious shit like "let's package all the hundreds of years pain and suffering of inner city blacks into FUN for WHITES! MUUHAHAHA!"......
i think it's more something like "hey, Kevin, these rap guys are sure a hit... i think it would be great if for our next cereal commerical, we put one of those kinda guys rapping to his mom about how tasty it is."
i think it's harmless until it snowballs and you get an "iffy" aspect like whites using the word "nigga". other than that, i don't see any co-opting of direct pain and suffering.
[Sep 23,2010 3:12pm - ShadowSD ""]
Well, organic compared to today mass-marketing, I am aware of the history of the blues and how whites weren't supposed to listen to it (and I had a feeling even as I typed that that the wording left me open to that criticism, but I stuck with it because the fact remains that back then marketing didn't encourage people to imitate or mock black people when the blues were taking off, nor was there the mass-marketing ability at that time to even attempt such a thing; we live in a far more commercial and synthetic age now).
You make a good point about music being associated African Americans in pop culture, and while I think that's in part true, I can't be so optimistic to believe that it's all that it is. The fact that blacks were slaves and also happen to be the one race that can be openly mocked in public under the guise of pop culture is hardly a coincidence, and not an irony I can ignore as easily as those who do the parodying.
You are also correct that hip-hop culture is pervasive and catchy, which is one reason mass industry jumped on it in the early 90's; they knew a catchy rap on a chicken commercial would grab even those few who couldn't sing along with the melody of a jingle, and thus making it common in all commericial media could increase their bottom line. The problem is that banishing melody and notes like some of plague in some corporate boardroom is such a non-musical decision that it's really impossible to defend. Catchy, whatever the genre, does not always equal good, and this is true about all types of music; for a lot of Top 40 stuff over the decades (for instance), plenty of songs were more catchy than they were good, leaving people with songs stuck in their head playing over and over again that they couldn't stand (we've all been there). The military even used that priniciple to torture prisoners with the same song over and over. Of course, that's not to say catchy is always bad either; there's nothing better than a song that's catchy AND good, but catchy does not inherently equal good and often can be negative when the catchy to good ratio gets too high.
[Sep 23,2010 3:22pm - boxxy ""]
Nope. Not buying it. We were all talking about the same thing, until people got called out for being closed minded and for stereo-typing, then they tried to explain that in fact they were making a totally different point. Nope. At the beginning of this thread someone said that white kids from the suburbs shouldn't talk or dress like black people from poverty.... why? because it's offensive, and they're idiots. (i'm not paraphrasing, they actually said that.) Those statements are CLOSED MINDED and any attempt to explain how they're not is backpedaling from a point of view that they realize is wrong.
[Sep 23,2010 3:24pm - arilliusbm ""]
I'm closed minded to leeches of society, whatever cliche they fall under.
[Sep 23,2010 3:24pm - poopshit ""]
ok, we're getting closer.
honestly man, about the "mocking" thing: maybe when my office-worker dad comes up to me and says "hey, nice bling bling my nigga" then yeah, definitely mocking. and when dumb indie-rock hipsters self-consciously do southern rap mashups and talk about slappin' hoes and wassap nigga and all that, yeah.
but when a teenager puts his whole style on the line and buys fully into it, i would say he's 99.99999% likely doing it because he thinks it cool and looks up to it.
as for the catchy thing, i dunno man - maybe you get upset if you are "tricked" by something catchy. if something is "catchy" to me, then it's good. i just let it happen. i love having a laugh at shit like "drop it like it's hot" OR Cock and Ball Torture shamelessly. just retarded neanderthal head-nodding stuff. i ain't too worried about that. sure, music always seems like it's getting dumbed down more and more, but there's always new shit that comes out in the underground that blows everyone away. it always eventually happens.
[Sep 23,2010 3:27pm - ShadowSD ""]
poopshit said:i think it's more something like "hey, Kevin, these rap guys are sure a hit... i think it would be great if for our next cereal commerical, we put one of those kinda guys rapping to his mom about how tasty it is."
That would be nice if that's all it was, but there was a coordinated industry effort to blackball a lot of bands and market a revolving door of hip hop acts in 1993 that spanned radio and TV from music to commercials. MTV and radio OVERNIGHT went from showing mostly metal to blackballing all metal videos before midnight except GN'R, Metallica, Aerosmith, and a single Danzig video. If this was due to sales, fine - but look up the numbers yourself and it made no sense; metal bands were through 1992 and into 1993 selling millions upon millions of albums, with several reliably multi-platinum bands out there that had no sign of a downturn in tour or album sales, while not a single rap album had ever been multi-platinum (4 million albums or more) EVEN BY THE END of 1993, and aside from a single Dre and Snoop album, not a single rap album in history had gone double platinum (2 million albums) by then. Megadeth's 1992 album hit #2 and Mustaine hosted MTV's Democratic Convention coverage; Megadeth's 1994 album debuted at #4 with zero advance video play and MTV continued to refuse to play a single song off of it before midnight, receiving similar treatment as Pantera's #1 album that year. These execs were purposefully blackballing metal bands and pushing rap not because of but in spite of the sales, under the theory that a revolving door of rap and r&b one hit wonders was a better well to draw from than bands that sold reliably but could ask for a bigger cut every subsequent album and tour.
Do I think executives were laughing manicially about getting to exploit blacks? Of course not. But they certainly weren't dumb enough to be unaware of the irony and tastelessness of what they were doing, which is why the Simpsons joke to that effect worked.
i think it's harmless until it snowballs and you get an "iffy" aspect like whites using the word "nigga". other than that, i don't see any co-opting of direct pain and suffering.
But that's a problem, it's a slippery slope, and there's really no avoiding the iffy aspects eventually, because of course it's going to snowball.
[Sep 23,2010 3:27pm - boxxy ""]
arilliusbm said:I'm closed minded to leeches of society, whatever cliche they fall under.
again, why do you associate these things with the urban/black way of dressing and speaking? That's the part that's closed minded.