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[QUOTE="poopshit:1129236"]with all due respect, i don't think you're getting what i'm saying. first: all of this poor African American slang, mannerisms, and fashion gets transported to suburban white youth through a very particular means - humankind's strongest language: MUSIC! of COURSE people would see you as a jack-ass if you were doing the worst Asian American stereotypes or Native American or whatever. inthe US, there's no music associated with it in pop culture. African American styles have played a HUGE role in what has entertained tons of people for years and years now, so naturally a percentage of people from all walks of life are going to be drawn to the surrounding aspects. Africans in Liberia, one of the world's worst countries for fuck's sake, mimic American hip-hop stylings and they're fucking poorer than any black dude here. i can't think of any other examples of other cultures that come even close to the pervasiveness of what African Americans have created. to put it really simple: MUSIC is a huge vehicle for expression and a LOT of peripheral things can stick to certain forms and stay on for the ride. clothing, styles, art, slang, choice of drugs (how many people do you know drop ecstasy at MDF? how many people are blazed at sXe shows?), habits, whatever. just like a bunch of kids had greasy, shitty hair and torn jeans in the early 90s because they saw fucking Stone Temple Pilots on MTV, a bunch of other kids got into baggy pants and sports jerseys or whatever when they saw rap videos. just like there were all those Japanese skate-thrash people dressing like East L.A. gangstas and Mike Muir and shit. people just do that! yeah, i agree with you that there is some irony that well-to-do kids ape the styles of people who are comparatively disenfranchised, but to focus only on that is missing the picture. it's MUSIC and along with that frequently comes a lot of other shit. ---------------------- second: while i agree that hip-hop and all its mannerisms and associated lifestyle stuff definitely got a huge boost from marketing, to claim that as the sole driving force for all these suburban kids becoming wiggers is a little extreme. you sound like you never met a white kid who was into rap before 1993 or something. ---- last, re: blues and rock'n'roll working their way through to whites in an organic matter. you're kidding yourself if you think that. as documented in about a million places, it was fucking jungle music to most white families in the 50s until dudes like Elvis came along. i don't think it was some conspiracy to steal their music, it's just that people like shit that's served up to them by people they're not scared of. to me it's the same thing when a teenager can listen to gay deathcore shit made by people who look like his friends, and know nothing about something like Autopsy.[/QUOTE]
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