The draft will start in 2005[views:10160][posts:60]_________________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 4:12am - TheGreatSpaldino ""] http://congress.org/congressorg/issues/ale...=5834001&content_dir=ua_congressorg Pending Draft Legislation Targeted for Spring 2005 The Draft will Start in June 2005 There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills: S 89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin at early as Spring 2005 -- just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately. $28 million has been added to the 2004 Selective Service System (SSS) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective Service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see website: www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the sss annual performance plan - fiscal year 2004. The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide.. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on "terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft. Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and HR 163 forward this year, http://www.hslda.org/legislation/na...s89/default.asp entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services. Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era. College and Canada will not be options. In December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year. Even those voters who currently support US actions abroad may still object to this move, knowing their own children or grandchildren will not have a say about whether to fight. Not that it should make a difference, but this plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a shelter and includes women in the draft. The public has a right to air their opinions about such an important decision. Please send this on to all the friends, parents, aunts and uncles, grandparents, and cousins that you know. Let your children know too -- it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change! Please also contact your representatives to ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills -- and contact newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story. FUCK. THAT. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 5:56am - DeOdiumMortis ""] I can't get drafted! I have a bum foot and crap on my bones! Yay me! |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 6:06am - TheGreatSpaldino ""] well i weigh over 300 pounds... last time i heard, you cant be drafted if you weighed too much or something... i also have terrible knees and flat feet. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 7:20am - xeatadickx ""] fuck it, im buying a gun. i'll blow away any draft officer that steps foot on my lawn, texas style |
| _________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 7:23am - Kalopsia ""] if i'm drafted i'm moving to Canada. there is no way in hell i am fighting, especially if bush is still the president |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 7:24am - TheGreatSpaldino ""] read the article... the whole moving to canada thing wont work this time... neither will being in college. this country fucking sucks. |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 7:28am - TheGreatSpaldino ""] oh... i cant wait for the necrobobsledders to read this thread... im expecting a couple "if you think this country sucks, then move out"s and a couple of "complacent jew"s too... |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 9:12am - the_reverend ""] we just need to get more ignorant people from the south to go into the military I guess |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 9:14am - RustedAngel ""] i wouldn't worry about it. also a vote for anyone else but kerry is a vote for bush, correct? i'm voting for kerry. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 9:46am - the_reverend ""] I saw some band recently and I can't remember who it was but for some reason this thread reminds me of a lyric I 1/2 remember from them... something like: you choose not to choose you choose you loose |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 9:47am - WhyamIandasshole ""] There is always Mexico. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 9:57am - the_reverend ""] I think that's a with honor song... that's what I'm feeling right now. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 10:03am - tbone_r ""] draft talk is brought up all the time, i'll believe it when i see it |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 10:19am - JellyFish ""] xeatadickx said:fuck it, im buying a gun. i'll blow away any draft officer that steps foot on my lawn, texas style Im with you. Hell ill blow away the whole god damn cabinet and the president. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 10:27am - Abbath ""] looks like i'm moving to Norway sooner than i thought |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 10:29am - MyDeadDoll ""] the_reverend said:we just need to get more ignorant people from the south to go into the military I guess good idea... maybe the gov't should offer them a free '85 chevy truck or something for joining the military... |
| _____________________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 10:42am - theundergroundscene ""] That's fucked up. The college part too. I am hearing impared and fat, does that get me out of this? Too bad I'll be 24 and a half when this thing "starts," I would be two and a half years from being out of the woods. I bet if you're overweight all they do is starve you until you're either not or you die. This sucks, I don't want to do this shit. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 10:51am - the_reverend ""] I heard they were going to also raise the age to 32. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 10:53am - JellyFish ""] jesus christ, whats next?!?! Goobers on the front line?? |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 11:26am - dreadkill ""] i have scoliosis (back curvature often found in teenage girls), so am i exempt? my back is shaped like a friggin S. |
| ________________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 2:56pm - Iren_the_Viking ""] i'm an alcoholic, am i exempt? |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 3:00pm - MyDeadDoll ""] just say you're openly gay |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 3:03pm - the_reverend ""] I think they also wanted to open it up to girls too.. "includes women in the draft" |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 3:05pm - the_reverend ""] just say that you aren't gay... but boy doesn't your roommate's semen taste good and if you eat it fresh once a day for a month, it helps your eye site. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 3:12pm - MyDeadDoll ""] yeah, helps my eye sight... that's why i wear glasses... with a shitty prescription 'cos i'm almost blind.... wait! i have "mental defects" so i can't be drafted. woot! |
| _________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 3:13pm - arsonick ""] my anthropology teacher read this samearticle. i dont know, since its the only time ive heard it im a bit skeptical. this is made me quite concerned though. fuck bush, im voting for kerry. the draft can eat my asshole. i hope it doesnt happen. and fuck supporting something that i dont even believe in and want to support. FREEDOM? the draft is not freedom. scumbags. |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 5:18pm - intricateprocess ""] i cant take this shit. i hope bush gets fucking rifled down in italy. fucking draft. fucking terrorists. i cant even take a shit anymore with out being scared or thinking if tommorow is even going to happen, or if im going to make it home the next day. im going on a cruise the week of the DNC,thank the lord.......but with my luck, my fucking plane will get high jacked and ill never make it to 21............ dammit, dammit all:nuke: |
| ________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 5:23pm - tbone_r ""] there was a thread here a few months ago that said the same basic shit. those same 2 bills, S 89 and HR 163 also. i used to know a website that could tell you the progress of every bill, but i forgot it. last time this type of thread was around it said both bills were pretty much inactive. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 6:07pm - Kalopsia ""] TheGreatSpaldino said:read the article... the whole moving to canada thing wont work this time... neither will being in college. this country fucking sucks. then i'll move to fucking europe. i don't care, there is no way i'm joining the army. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 6:24pm - tyagxgrind ""] bush's ideal world is depopulating the world of jews etc. his holy christian crusade will only peak with the continuing indifference of the general population. vote. in every aspect. vote in your state and local as well as national elections make sure that if you vote against him that you also defeat his ability to get office via the electorial college, by voting his supporters out of goverment in general. get educated. today's world is a scarey one. if you disagree you are a terrorist. or anti-goverment. we live in an age of continual denial and acknoledgement that we are losing our freedoms. choice that look good on the surfice to most should be examined to its fullest before you take something so blindly. we live in an age were you cant afford to be politically corrcect and not say a word. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 6:24pm - swamplorddvm ""] I have other countries wheres I live for a while. I don't want to leave, but I'm not dying in THIS war. I should have the right to choose what war I kill or die in. Fuck them! Peace! |
| ______________________________ [Jun 4,2004 6:27pm - hoser ""] Pussies |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 6:28pm - BornSoVile ""] I've been saying this for awhile and people called me crazy. I was right, suckahs. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 6:34pm - swamplorddvm ""] hoser said:Pussies Macho moron. |
| ______________________________ [Jun 4,2004 6:47pm - hoser ""] I served in the USMC from 93-99. It ain't all that bad guys. The draft bill will never pass, so relax. You can all cuddle up safely to your mommies and watch Steel Magnolias all you want. Now stop your crying, reach down between your legs to make sure that you're still a man, get rid of the faggy emo ear plugs, put your hat on straight like they were intended to be worn and have some allegiance and pride in something other than your self absorbed selves. Fucking whiners.......stop believing everything you read. They have been trying to pass that bill for the past 12 years. Now all of a sudden you're all experts on the politics of warfare. What next? My father once said: "Jake, believe none of what you read or hear, and half of what you see." RELAX HOMOS!! |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 6:54pm - swamplorddvm ""] Hey ass! I'm not emo and i'm not a homo. I'm just not going to die or kill for any of these rich sons of bitches. I will die for what I beliave is right. They have no right to force other humans to fight for such retarded reasons. you are a great example of an american. and it's sad. |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 6:58pm - Josh_hates_you ""] swamplorddvm said:you are a great example of an american. and it's sad. ouch. i hate americans. |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 6:59pm - intricateprocess ""] bush is on a holy crusade. its completley unbelieveable. he should be impeached, and should have never lasted this long in office |
| _________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 7:16pm - succubus ""] everyone is entitled to their opinions... i don't think people should be pissed off at hoser because he served for his country..you have to respect that...me, no i wouldnt..i'm a pussy...but if everyone was like me....then who would defend us? i'm glad aaron would not serve...i'd be worried about him.. oh and i'm not american so i know..my opinion should not count |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 7:52pm - swamplorddvm ""] Your opinion does count because you know americans that you care about. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 4,2004 8:37pm - thornnvine ""] I sat in a lounge in the Sarasota airport and drank beers Tuesday with a 21 year old kid who was on his way to Iraq. I have a lot of respect for all the soldiers fighting over there. It was a little depressing. What a fucking mess. I hate this government. I don't like people who talk shit about american soldiers either. |
| _______________________________ [Jun 4,2004 8:42pm - Abbath ""] i think people wouldn't be pissed off if he just didn't end up calling people homos and besides swamp you have nice hair, i wouldn't let you go to war |
| __________________________________________ [Jun 5,2004 10:39am - Josiah_the_Black ""] succubus your opinion definitely counts scandinavian countries sound nice right about now eh abbath? and oh ya... "if you dont like america you can geeetttt ooutttt" freedumb |
| __________________________________ [Jun 5,2004 2:30pm - dread_104 ""] hoser said:I served in the USMC from 93-99. It ain't all that bad guys. The draft bill will never pass, so relax. yes, they've been talking about draft bills for years, but now it is a different story. with all the bullshit that has gone on with this war( the one that ended how many months ago?) a large part of our military, upon completing their service, will not re-enlist. Add to this the fact that this country and its failures and deceit throughout this entire clusterfuck has made sure that many of its citizens will not ever enlist in the first place. Our government has seen this and knows our armed forces in the next few years will be facing all time low numbers. what is the solution to this? a draft. hoser, i gotta question. not trying to be a dick, i'm just curious. where did you serve? i ask because there is a big difference between being stationed in Japan and being a sitting duck in the desert waiting for children to blow you up. maybe you served in somalia or tht whole chechen-serb shit. i don't know, thought i'd ask. |
| _______________________________ [Jun 6,2004 10:10am - hoser ""] Ya dread.... I served in Somalia, Liberia, and Bosnia. Operations Assured Response, Operation Restore Hope, and I served in IFOR and Nato ops in Bosnia-Herzegovina under Operation Joint Endeavour. I was awarded the Combat Action Ribbon (or CAR as we call it) on 3 seperate occasions, as well as 2 JMUC (Joint Meritorious Unit Citations) and a MUC (Meritorious Unit Citation), among many other medals. Trust me I never sat in Japan or stateside pounding my pud. I was a rifleman in 2nd Battalion 2nd Marines Echo Company. After that I went on to 2nd Marine Reconaissance, and did mostly hostage rescue and sniping ops, all amphibious assault (mostly South and Central America.) I discovered that kids blowing your shit up happens in all of those countries, not just the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. So if you were wondering, now you know. And I don't think that you are a dick for asking that. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 6,2004 11:12am - diamond_dave ""] for one, i agree, this bill will never pass. the other thing you need to understand is that one of the reasons it was brought up in the first place is so that everyone would be subject to it, even the sons and daughters of the rich warmongering republican right. the hope was that if the draft was reinstated, maybe these people would think twice about jumping hastily into a dangerous situation, knowing that their kids would be involved too. |
| _______________________________ [Jun 6,2004 12:05pm - silky ""] get prescribed prozac. I know for a fact that if you've ever been prescibed anti-depressants you are exempt. of course, that can always change. As for me, I'm a citizen of Ireland, and if need be, I can go home and drink my guiness and avoid a different, smaller holy war. this planet is fucked. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 6,2004 1:18pm - xNECROFIENDx ""] Further proof that our voices mean nothing. For all the sugar coated bullshit we are taught as children, we grow to understand as lies. We live in the illusion of freedom and security, but reality is far from that dream. Every day it seems a new wall is being built, and new graves are being dug. America was the great escape for our ancestors, so where do we have left to run? |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 6,2004 2:24pm - DeOdiumMortis ""] xNECROFIENDx said:[QUOTE...so where do we have left to run? Canada? The moon?! |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 6,2004 2:33pm - xNECROFIENDx ""] DeOdiumMortis said:xNECROFIENDx said:[QUOTE...so where do we have left to run? Canada? The moon?! How about the white house? So we can kick George Bush in the teeth! |
| _______________________________ [Jun 6,2004 2:53pm - Abbath ""] i say just move to Norway with me! |
| ______________________________ [Jun 7,2004 4:35pm - iFuck ""] the_reverend said:we just need to get more ignorant people from the south to go into the military I guess no way man.. look at the civil war! if we left it up to them, we'd be fucked for life! all of us speaking ach ach-do-ko-click-click or some shit like that. fuck it.. if you get drafted (which wont happen) do your time like a man, get the job done and get your ass home safely! |
| __________________________________ [Jun 7,2004 4:58pm - dread_104 ""] hoser, holy shit! you must have some stories |
| ______________________________ [Jun 7,2004 6:47pm - hoser ""] There really isn't much to tell Dread...I did what I had to do. You get there, do your time, chew the same dirt that your forefathers before you chewed...and get home safe. It's never fun, it's never as glorified as you'd think it would be, but the pride lives on forever. That's all I have to offer you. And sure, I have stories.....but we'll save those for a time when I can sit down and drink a 5th of Jaeger with you assholes. |
| ______________________________ [Jun 7,2004 6:49pm - hoser ""] By the way....iFuck is also a veteran, and a buddy of mine. Notice that we share the same asshole traits? |
| _______________________________ [Jun 7,2004 6:58pm - morkul ""] How old are you Hoser? I work with a bunch of ex-Jarheads. All Desert Storm vets. My aunt is USMC. She's a Major. Last I heard she was stationed in PA. Me, I am a full on Military Brat. I am actually the first in my family to not join one of the Armed Forces. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 7,2004 7:28pm - the_reverend ""] my forefathers never went to iraq to chew iraqi dirt. they chewed on hash cubes. |
| ______________________________ [Jun 7,2004 7:34pm - hoser ""] I'm 29 dude.....too fucking old. I was stationed at Camp LeJeune, NC. Rotated out in 1999. I was a Sergeant. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 7,2004 7:36pm - the_reverend ""] I come from along line of laundry owners, vodka drinkers, and hippies. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 7,2004 7:38pm - powerkok ""] I just shoot people from my window. I guess im lazy. |
| _______________________________ [Jun 7,2004 10:10pm - silky ""] I wouldn't call you lazy. I'd call you a hero. |