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[QUOTE="ShadowSD:1130040"]Bernie has ripped off almost every band he's come in contact with, Eric if you and CSDO haven't been screwed by him consider yourself lucky and on borrowed time. Reading this thread, my first reaction was that I'm surprised that Bernie is a) still around and b) not in prison. I've run into self-described "promoters" before who were the lazy type (think Onslaught Entertainment/Pete Rock: booking any bands they can online, bringing no one to the show themselves, and then getting a big chunk of if not all the money at the end for doing NOTHING) - but that's one thing, it's shady and lazy and leeches on the scene, but it's not necessarily criminal. Bernie from NEC on the other hand is an actual con-man scammer who in any other field would have been locked up a long time ago, and I am not exaggerating one bit; he will lie right to your face repeatedly and fuck you to line his pockets with zero sense of shame and remorse, and has for years made himself dependent on that kind of lifestyle as his meal ticket. The more we can repeat this to new bands in the scene that might not know any better, the less chance he will continue to live off the blood of musicians, so I HIGHLY approve of this thread. On the broader topic, promoters should NOT get paid for booking a local show, period (not unless it makes thousands of dollars or something). Tons of times when I ran sound at a local show I had to make sure all the LEGITIMATE expenses of the show were covered by ticket sales from bands, but that was it; I never counted the time it took me to BOOK THE BANDS, just real stuff like the flat fee venue rental, cost of making tickets, a PA, and the cost of transporting it. Never once - not once - did I take a single penny for the task of "booking" or did I ever consider it for a second because that's fucking retarded, and I wish everyone who booked local shows had the same common sense; it's NOT something a person should expect to get paid for especially when at many local shows bands only may get gas money (or less) and have to split THEIR pay several ways. Yes, yes, ticket sales have to cover legitimate expenses to make the show function in the first place - and those who gripe about that fact need to get real - but only after each band on the show gets a big pay guarantee should the guy who took five fucking seconds to e-mail them get a red cent, in my opinion. Too bad we can't pass a law or something. My personal solution to avoid dealing with "promoters" over the years, after seeing how they ranged from leeches to crooks, was to book shows as much as possible as band cooperatives, where all bands chip in on expenses and keep all the profit. That way, only actual musicians are involved. While this requires the bands to trust each other and be reliable and responsible for not leaving each other hanging, I've come to learn that we're sure as hell better off trusting and being trustworthy for each other than relying on on local promoters, especially those who literally know nothing about music except for how to call venues, e-mail bands, and pocket cash.[/QUOTE]
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