Why can I not get into later Katatonia?[views:7884][posts:63]___________________________________________ [Jun 13,2009 9:09pm - mikeofdecrepitude ""] Seriously. I'm on about 35 mg's of Codeine and not even that is helping. Their earlier works rank high amongst the Scandinavian metal classics, but I simply cannot get into their "depressive rock" style. For My Demons from Tonight's Decision is about as close as I can get. I find the pop/rock formula bothersome, where the verses have no riffs, and it's just Jonas singing over a simple drum beat and maybe some keys, until the chorus kicks in. This band needs to wake up! |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 13,2009 9:18pm - arilliusbm ""] Agreed. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 13,2009 11:20pm - davemmonic ""] I totally agree as well been a fan of their earlier raw stuff i find rather dificult to get into the new stuff i do enjoy it now but it took a few listens to get use to it but i have to be in the right mood for it |
| __________________________________________ [Jun 14,2009 1:31am - MillenialKingdom ""] I love everything from this band, especially the later stuff. Last Fair Deal Gone Down is such a great album. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 14,2009 6:59am - sinistas ""] I dig all their stuff, really. |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 14,2009 9:15am - BoarcorpseJimbo ""] Codeine is about the ONLY way i really can get into these guys. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 14,2009 1:02pm - dreadkill ""] my favorite band ever, mainly because of the stuff they did after brave murder day. i love the early stuff too. discouraged ones, tonight's decision, and last fair deal gone down are three of my alltime favorite albums. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 14,2009 1:03pm - dreadkill ""] the only album that isn't up to snuff in my opinion is the great cold distance, which i love, but it's a step down from what they were doing before. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jun 14,2009 2:48pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] i actually like alot of the newer stuff more than the older shit. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jun 14,2009 3:28pm - mikeofdecrepitude ""] To me, everything after Brave Murder Day is the complete dismantling of a sound they helped pioneer. Everything from Dance of December Souls to, and especially, Brave Murder Day, are amazing. A lot of later Katatonia sounds like something I would hear on the radio. If this was any other band, I would have just written them off, but that's how much I regard their earlier years. |
| _____________________________________________________________ [Jun 14,2009 4:08pm - Paul CNV @ The psylosyblin temple ""] mikeofdecrepitude said:To me, everything after Brave Murder Day is the complete dismantling of a sound they helped pioneer. Everything from Dance of December Souls to, and especially, Brave Murder Day, are amazing. A lot of later Katatonia sounds like something I would hear on the radio. If this was any other band, I would have just written them off, but that's how much I regard their earlier years. Exactly |
| __________________________________ [Jun 14,2009 4:10pm - sinistas ""] Well, I'd say to write them off, since those days are long gone. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 14,2009 4:38pm - dreadkill ""] you probably can't get into it because rich bova isn't in the band |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 14,2009 4:38pm - dreadkill ""] i want to suck all their cocks and fuck their singer with a rake |
| ______________________________ [Jun 15,2009 7:27am - Yeti ""] i don't care much for later Katatonia, but Viva Emptiness is top notch. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 15,2009 9:13am - dreadkill ""] if you miss the old days and the newer stuff is not your thing, there are some quality bands out there still carrying the brave murder day torch (daylight dies, the morningside, just to name a couple). |
| _____________________________ [Jun 15,2009 9:21am - pam ""] I prefer their later stuff. Oh snap. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jun 15,2009 9:45am - MikeofDecrepitude ""] sinistas said:Well, I'd say to write them off, since those days are long gone. Well, I have, but I haven't. I'll always appreciate early Katatonia for their songwriting skills and miserable atmospheres. Unfortunately, the later material simply cannot compare. I think the title for Discouraged Ones is fitting, because I can remember how discouraged I felt, when I first listened. People with similar musical interests have told me over the years that I need to keep listening to post BMD Katatonia, and it will someday sink in. Needless to say, that day has never arrived. [img] Katatonia - 1991 to 1997 October Tide - 1995 to 1999 Rest Unpeacefully! |
| ___________________________________________ [Jun 15,2009 9:50am - MikeofDecrepitude ""] dreadkill said:if you miss the old days and the newer stuff is not your thing, there are some quality bands out there still carrying the brave murder day torch (daylight dies, the morningside, just to name a couple). Haha, I've been missing them for years, so it's nothing new. And yes, I've heard those bands. No one can really capture that same feeling but Rapture came somewhat close. I really enjoyed the album "Futile", which had Jarno from Shape of Despair playing guitar. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 15,2009 9:56am - arilliusbm ""] I like October Tide's first album more than most older Katatonia. |
| ____________________________________________ [Jun 15,2009 10:02am - MikeofDecrepitude ""] pam said:I prefer their later stuff. Oh snap. You're a female, so it makes sense. Later Katatonia sounds like something my girlfriend would listen to. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 15,2009 10:08am - dreadkill ""] i love rapture. silent stage is probably my favorite by them, but i like all three albums. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 15,2009 10:10am - dreadkill ""] MikeofDecrepitude said: pam said:I prefer their later stuff. Oh snap. You're a female, so it makes sense. Later Katatonia sounds like something my girlfriend would listen to.can't wait to see what pam has to say about this comment |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 23,2009 1:31pm - dreadkill ""] pam really dropped the ball on this one |
| ___________________________________________ [Jun 23,2009 2:26pm - MikeofDecrepitude ""] Why? It's true. Later Katatonia probably sounds awesome, if you have a vagina. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 23,2009 2:30pm - c.DeaD ""] I don't know, I just can't stop listening to Gorefest. Lets touch tips soon. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jun 23,2009 2:31pm - MikeofDecrepitude ""] You read my mind. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 23,2009 2:41pm - c.DeaD ""] I found out why I cry at night. It's that empty void left by the breakup of the greatest death metal band of ALL time. Gorefest. |
| _____________________________ [Jun 23,2009 6:49pm - pam ""] dreadkill said: MikeofDecrepitude said: pam said:I prefer their later stuff. Oh snap. You're a female, so it makes sense. Later Katatonia sounds like something my girlfriend would listen to.can't wait to see what pam has to say about this comment I think he just called you his girlfriend, Ken. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 23,2009 7:23pm - dreadkill ""] I was expecting better, Pam. He was directing the girlfriend comment at you |
| __________________________________ [Jun 23,2009 7:30pm - sinistas ""] They appeal to me because I have moobs. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 23,2009 7:35pm - BlackoutRick ""] I like Discouraged Ones. |
| _____________________________ [Jun 23,2009 8:35pm - pam ""] dreadkill said:I was expecting better, Pam. He was directing the girlfriend comment at you Would you rather I instructed him to suck my massive she-dick and call him Alice? |
| __________________________________ [Jun 23,2009 10:39pm - MikeOv ""] Are you some stuck up feminist cunt? Because if so, I think that's incredibly funny. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 23,2009 10:48pm - MikeOv ""] I don't mince words either. I'm MikeOvDecrepitve, HO. |
| ______________________________ [Jun 24,2009 12:04am - pam ""] lol |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 1:51am - quintessence ""] i like it all. Dance of December souls was good, but not that great. Brave Murder Day is my favorite. Discourage Ones a close second. I dunno...i've always been able to pick up the same feelings and style in the "rock" albums as the "metal" albums. Anders Nystrom is one of my favorite guitar players simply because of his style. October Tide rules, but Rain without end is waaaay better than whatever the other one is called.. (I never listen to it) |
| ___________________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 8:15am - MikeofDecrepitude ""] Agreed, Frank. Rain Without End > Grey Dawn |
| ______________________________ [Jun 24,2009 10:36am - pam ""] quintessence said:i like it all. Dance of December souls was good, but not that great. Brave Murder Day is my favorite. Discourage Ones a close second. I dunno...i've always been able to pick up the same feelings and style in the "rock" albums as the "metal" albums. Anders Nystrom is one of my favorite guitar players simply because of his style. October Tide rules, but Rain without end is waaaay better than whatever the other one is called.. (I never listen to it) I agree, it's very obviously the same band. I think some people just don't clean vocals...not manly enough I guess. I like their early stuff but I thought the vocals were kinda boring. Their drummer is incredible too. Between the drums and the guitar tone you can spot a Katatonia song a mile away. I'll go back to being a woman now, though. My bad. Anyone want a sandwich? |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 10:40am - arilliusbm ""] Grey Dawn is boring. I listen to Rain Without End every October, along with Drudkh's Autumn Aurora and others. |
| ______________________________ [Jun 24,2009 10:43am - |an ""] Haha, I've been missing them for years, so it's nothing new. And yes, I've heard those bands. No one can really capture that same feeling but Rapture came somewhat close. I really enjoyed the album "Futile", which had Jarno from Shape of Despair playing guitar. Futile is an awesome record... you should also check out the slightly obscure Fallout, by Slumber (2004). A bit faster paced but some seriously excellent riffing imo. |
| ____________________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 10:48am - MikeofDecrepitude ""] See, I don't hear the same band at all. Newer Katatonia is formulaic, and overuses the pop/rock structures for their songs. I have no problem with clean vocals, as I obviously enjoy bands like Opeth and Novembre. Both aforementioned bands have incredible vocalists, and unfortunately Jonas simply can't compete with them. The omission of interesting melodies, miserable riffs, and harsh vocals, has caused them to lose their original aesthetic appeal. Fresh mozzarella and tomato on french bread, thanks. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 10:55am - C.DeAD ""] Gorefest with a side of Jungle Rot |
| ____________________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 10:57am - MikeofDecrepitude ""] A dash of Brutality and Oppressor, for good measure. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 11:07am - C.DeAD ""] Oppressor, hahahahahaha. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 11:07am - C.DeAD ""] Maybe a dash of Juddecca or Angelkill. |
| ____________________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 11:10am - MikeofDecrepitude ""] 100 bpm blasts or you're not true. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 11:20am - C.DeAD ""] More like 80bpm. No one match the blasting skills of Eric House from the legendary Jungle Rot. |
| ____________________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 11:25am - MikeofDecrepitude ""] Let's get wasted at some point and play the most rudimentary, Floridian styled death metal. It wont be brutal unless my blast beats sound akin to a cane-wielding old geezer's foot steps, chasing me down the street. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 11:40am - C.DeAD ""] MikeofDecrepitude said:Let's get wasted at some point and play the most rudimentary, Floridian styled death metal. It wont be brutal unless my blast beats sound akin to a cane-wielding old geezer's foot steps, chasing me down the street. This sounds awesome. We should call ourselves Rotfest or Jungle Gore. |
| ____________________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 11:44am - MikeofDecrepitude ""] Our first demo can be named "True" (opposite of the DM masterpiece 'False') |
| ________________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 11:45am - xitsdoomsdayx ""] cause they suck |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 11:55am - dreadkill ""] quintessence said:i like it all. Dance of December souls was good, but not that great. Brave Murder Day is my favorite. Discourage Ones a close second. I dunno...i've always been able to pick up the same feelings and style in the "rock" albums as the "metal" albums. Anders Nystrom is one of my favorite guitar players simply because of his style. October Tide rules, but Rain without end is waaaay better than whatever the other one is called.. (I never listen to it)i agree with everything you said, except tonight's decision is my favorite and i love grey dawn just as much as rain without end. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 11:58am - dreadkill ""] pam said: quintessence said: Their drummer is incredible too. Between the drums and the guitar tone you can spot a Katatonia song a mile away the drumming is one of the main reasons i like the newer stuff more. the drumming from LFDGD on is so much more interesting. tonight's decision and discouraged ones are my favorite katatonia albums, but the drumming is the weakest part. it works in the context of the songs, but isn't very interesting itself. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 11:58am - dreadkill ""] arilliusbm said:Grey Dawn is boring. I listen to Rain Without End every October, along with Drudkh's Autumn Aurora and others.i love grey dawn |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 11:59am - dreadkill ""] |an said:Haha, I've been missing them for years, so it's nothing new. And yes, I've heard those bands. No one can really capture that same feeling but Rapture came somewhat close. I really enjoyed the album "Futile", which had Jarno from Shape of Despair playing guitar. Futile is an awesome record... you should also check out the slightly obscure Fallout, by Slumber (2004). A bit faster paced but some seriously excellent riffing imo.i love fallout. slumber finally has a new one coming out. can't wait for that. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 12:10pm - dreadkill ""] MikeofDecrepitude said:See, I don't hear the same band at all. Newer Katatonia is formulaic, and overuses the pop/rock structures for their songs. I have no problem with clean vocals, as I obviously enjoy bands like Opeth and Novembre. Both aforementioned bands have incredible vocalists, and unfortunately Jonas simply can't compete with them. The omission of interesting melodies, miserable riffs, and harsh vocals, has caused them to lose their original aesthetic appeal. Fresh mozzarella and tomato on french bread, thanks. katatonia strays further from their early stuff with each new release, but how can you not hear some of the early stuff (especially BMD) in discouraged ones and tonight's decision? There's a similar mood and similar jagged riffs. i think their melodies have gotten more interesting and i find the clean vocals to be much more interesting than the harshes. as far as miserable riffs go, i consider discouraged ones to be their most miserable sounding album, and tonight's decision is pretty miserable also. i personally enjoy the vocals of jonas much more than those of novembre's singer and i find them on par with akerfeldt's vocals. jonas has an understated and honest quality to his voice that isn't found often in metal. plus i'm a big fan of his lyrics. we might not agree on all things katatonia, but at least we can agree on one thing: mozzarella and tomato on french bread is a hell of a sandwich. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 12:15pm - C.DeAD ""] MikeofDecrepitude said:Our first demo can be named "True" (opposite of the DM masterpiece 'False') Awesome. Either that or "Sew the Dead" (opposite of the DM demo masterpiece "Skin the Living") |
| __________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 12:17pm - C.DeAD ""] We can also wear Fishbone and 24-7 Spyz shirts to show how well versed we are. |
| ____________________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 12:18pm - MikeofDecrepitude ""] Haha, yeah, our opinions on Katatonia are definitely diametrically opposed. This would make for a good discussion over wonderful fresh mozzarella and tomato sandwiches (with a pesto spread). |
| ____________________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 12:20pm - MikeofDecrepitude ""] C.DeAD said: Awesome. Either that or "Sew the Dead" (opposite of the DM demo masterpiece "Skin the Living") Before we break up, for kvlt status, our legacy must end with "The Butter You Spread" (alternate version of The Dreams You Dread) |
| ______________________________ [Jun 24,2009 12:26pm - |an ""] dreadkill said: |an said:Haha, I've been missing them for years, so it's nothing new. And yes, I've heard those bands. No one can really capture that same feeling but Rapture came somewhat close. I really enjoyed the album "Futile", which had Jarno from Shape of Despair playing guitar. Futile is an awesome record... you should also check out the slightly obscure Fallout, by Slumber (2004). A bit faster paced but some seriously excellent riffing imo.i love fallout. slumber finally has a new one coming out. can't wait for that. Really? I heard they had to change their name, do you know anything about that? |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 24,2009 12:36pm - dreadkill ""] |an said: dreadkill said: |an said:Haha, I've been missing them for years, so it's nothing new. And yes, I've heard those bands. No one can really capture that same feeling but Rapture came somewhat close. I really enjoyed the album "Futile", which had Jarno from Shape of Despair playing guitar. Futile is an awesome record... you should also check out the slightly obscure Fallout, by Slumber (2004). A bit faster paced but some seriously excellent riffing imo.i love fallout. slumber finally has a new one coming out. can't wait for that. Really? I heard they had to change their name, do you know anything about that? This is from their myspace. You can hear some samples from the new album there. News -June 09 The recording of Resonance has been re-set to October 5th - November 15th. It will be recorded at the isolated sphere of "Panic Room Studios" in Skara as the last album. This time though, we have twice the time and much more knowledge. The album will shine !! New line-up for the album recording and live performance; Ehsan Kalantarpour - Vocals / Synth Jari Lindholm - Guitar Siavosh Bigonah - Bass / Growl Markus Hill - Guitar Ted Larsson - Drums Mikael Brunqvist - Live 3rd guitarrist and percussionist Female performances by Ida Sundquvist, Lina Svärd and Vinköl choir. This is the moment some of us has been preparing our whole life for. The era of majestic melancholy in music that in time, hopefully can grow into a real live performing large orchestra of... dooom haha. We'll give this album our everything ! I hope you're enjoying the preview of Resonance. We'll put up more songs as we go along. Take care /Ehsan and Slumber |
| ______________________________ [Jun 24,2009 12:36pm - |an ""] dreadkill said: |an said:Haha, I've been missing them for years, so it's nothing new. And yes, I've heard those bands. No one can really capture that same feeling but Rapture came somewhat close. I really enjoyed the album "Futile", which had Jarno from Shape of Despair playing guitar. Futile is an awesome record... you should also check out the slightly obscure Fallout, by Slumber (2004). A bit faster paced but some seriously excellent riffing imo.i love fallout. slumber finally has a new one coming out. can't wait for that. Also, FWIW, checkout Forgotten Tomb (Italy). I saw them headline the Rapture gig in 2007, grabbed one of their discs and I thought it was pretty good. Although it was pretty ironic listening to Tomi Ullgren bitch about them backstage while we were getting hammered, because they sounded like "fuckin katatonia shit" :shocker: |