Trey Azagthoth wants to know if the metal community is closed-minded[views:10096][posts:68]________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 10:54am - zyklon ""] Trey Azagthoth (born George Emmanuel III) has posted the following message on his MySpace page: "Is the metal community closed-minded???? Well, is it???? "My purpose with this blog is that I have a desire to create some live performance concerts sometime in the future that include a set of MORBID ANGEL along with sets of the most extreme representitives of industrial, hardcore, terrorcore, jungle drum and bass etc DJs and groups. EXTREME MUSIC FOR EXTREME PEOPLE!!!! Right??? "Well, so it seems there are certain promoters and so-called 'authorities of the scene' who have some idea that such a gig won't work. Saying that metal people are narrow-minded and hate the various forms of hardcore DJ music for one reason or another. Is this true??? "People who know me know I am already a freaky freak artist and so then such an idea for crossing over such types of music is amazing. Exciting!!! As long as it's freakin' HARD-HITTING and SICK!!!!!! "So... Why not, I ask. "What is metal anyways??? "For me, 'metal' is for those who are bored with the constrictions and 'safe practices' of the mainsteam mentality, just like with any other socalled 'underground' scene or movement. Metal people wanna get mowed down by vicously sick melodies slamming over an arrangement of beats that twist the body and pull it in all directions. Freak them up. Metal, for me, is also about self-discovery. Not being sheep-like and playing 'follow the leader' but rather its about being free to express one's own ideas without the fear of ridicule. If there isn't any guts involved to challenge whatever is the current accepted patterns, then there isn't much in possibility for any new things to arise. "What are metal lyrics even about if not about either breaking free from the dominion of some slavery-oppression, or the act of rejoicing in the pleasure of what people have passions about? Of course, there are also lyrics about fantasy and mindfuck as well too. !!!=RAWR=!!! ;) "For me, it most certainly ISN'T about tribal-group mentality nor mainstream behavioral thinking. It's not about playing it safe either. "What is the mentality of the mainstream??? Seems to me it's quite associated with sheepish behavoirs, placing value on 'fitting in and the approval of others' instead of the freedoms of self expression. "What defines the term 'underground???' Isnt it when people place what they believe inside of themselves over what is supposedly supported in their exterior mainstream environment??? "What is the difference in fabricating a product and creating art???? "Where does 'trendy-ness' surface and what is it to be trendy?? Isn't it when people cannot find the source of certainties, direction and/or selfworth within themselves, especially as in those times when they are alone and not distracted, so therefore they need to base their certainties on how things reflect off of their external environment, including their peers?? Adjusting themselves to be considered favorable and to attract the approval of others outside of themselves??? "For some people in the world, the only thing 'real' is that which can be measured by the five mundane senses. For them, the inner workings are as some mysterious make believe which they sometimes play around with until any serious situation arises and then such things are placed back in the realm of 'make believe,' they, of course, fall back to earth and work from whichever foundation they find 'certainty' in, no??? Isn't this a formula based on the dependence of others, and if so, what does this have to do with the freedoms of such a thing as independence??? Where is the 'strength' in such a behavoir??? Is it just that maybe it's considered 'cool' and that's cool enough??? "OK, so the question is, do metal people only enjoy gigs with a metal-only billing??? Or do metal people also enjoy some crossover, as long as it's freakin' over-the-top EXTREME???? Does anyone even care??? Please chime in. I wanna hear from you." |
| _________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 10:55am - reimroc ""] wtf is "terrorcore"? |
| ________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 10:55am - zyklon ""] That's a new one for me too |
| ________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:01am - Kevord ""] Dear Trey, You finally do the smart thing and bring David Vincent back into the fold and now you are gonna fuck it up by making me watch a guy with a turn table. I'll be in the parking lot dick. Signed, Kevord P.S. Heretic sucked. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:02am - reimroc ""] i'm still wondering what the hell terrorcore is lol. this is going to bother me all day. |
| _________________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:06am - orgymaggotfeast ""] shut up and play the guitar Trey |
| __________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:06am - brian_dc ""] well, I think he's got his answer already. |
| ____________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:07am - arilliusbm ""] terrorcore is hardcore from Afghanistan and Pakistan. I thought everyone knew that.. |
| __________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:08am - brian_dc ""] THE INTERNET IS DIFFICULT TO NAVIGATE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorcore |
| ____________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:09am - arilliusbm ""] trey wrote that wiki himself. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:10am - reimroc ""] so its like techno+hardcore mixed together. all electronic. at least thats i get from this article. |
| _________________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:12am - orgymaggotfeast ""] arilliusbm said:terrorcore is hardcore from Afghanistan and Pakistan. I thought everyone knew that.. hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!! |
| _________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:13am - darkwor ""] i'd be into that, but i guess no one else is. i love psytrance and industrial. but terrorcore, speedcore..meh i'd rather listen to morbid angel anyway. |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:20am - ouchdrummer ""] i'd be into it. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:22am - darkwor ""] either way i think he's going to go forward with it and i'd fucking love to go. |
| ___________________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:22am - FuckIsMySignature ""] the only band i like that seems to be related this is Red Harvest. |
| ________________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:28am - DestroyYouAlot ""] "Where does Trey get his question marks??? Are they wholesale over the internet??? Is he being sponsored by questionmark.com??? Are metalheads open-minded enough to accept Trey's radical re-definition of punctuation???" |
| _________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:28am - darkwor ""] reimroc said:so its like techno+hardcore mixed together. all electronic. at least thats i get from this article. i don't think the 'hardcore' you're thinking of is right. in this case it's blazing fast electronic dance music. from that you have 'happy hardcore'... |
| ________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:30am - Kevord ""] It sounds like it's all terrible video game music. With the beeping and the bopping. |
| ________________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:31am - MoDecrepitvde ""] I'd be into a Morbid Angel / Autechre tour. |
| _________________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:34am - orgymaggotfeast ""] DestroyYouAlot said:"Where does Trey get his question marks??? Are they wholesale over the internet??? Is he being sponsored by questionmark.com??? Are metalheads open-minded enough to accept Trey's radical re-definition of punctuation???" Seriously!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (brought to you by exclaimationpoint.com) |
| ________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:37am - Ryan_M ""] Kevord said:Dear Trey, You finally do the smart thing and bring David Vincent back into the fold and now you are gonna fuck it up by making me watch a guy with a turn table. This pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject; most people who like Morbid Angel and want to go to their shows want to see them play with other metal bands. I don't want to go to one of their shows and feel like I'm in a dance club for 3 hours before Morbid Angel takes the stage. Its not that metal fans are closed minded; I'm sure most of them (myself included) can at least appreciate and respect industrial/electronic/techno music as an art form, its just that most of them aren't so interested in listening to it. |
| __________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:40am - brian_dc ""] can you imagine how bored he must be playing with nothing but metal bands for 25 years? i can't blame him for wanting to involve the music he's obviously grown to enjoy later on. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:40am - dreadkill ""] i'm not into that kind of music and would not like a show like that. it doesn't make me close-minded. |
| ________________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:49am - MoDecrepitvde ""] I'm a fan of ambient and (unconventional) electronic music so I wouldn't be opposed to the idea. Just as long as the music being performed by the non-metal artist's possess dark qualities. |
| ________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:54am - Kevord ""] If I pay to see Texas Chainsaw Massacre and they tell me it's a double feature with Pretty Woman I'm pissed. |
| ________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:55am - Kevord ""] brian_dc said:can you imagine how bored he must be playing with nothing but metal bands for 25 years? i can't blame him for wanting to involve the music he's obviously grown to enjoy later on. I'm paying money to see them. I don't give a shit what he listens to in his spare time. |
| __________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:57am - brian_dc ""] think maybe at some point you stop doing it to care about other people? |
| ________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:59am - Kevord ""] brian_dc said:think maybe at some point you stop doing it to care about other people? Then why did he let David Vincent back in the band after bad mouthing his lyric writing for years? $$$$$$$$ |
| ________________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 12:01pm - MoDecrepitvde ""] [img] |
| ________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 12:03pm - Kevord ""] Basically I'm sick of constantly reading about how Trey has no interest in metal but will continue to reap the profits from it. |
| __________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 12:08pm - brian_dc ""] well, i guess I don't care about any of that at all. so that's where I leave the discussion. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 12:11pm - darkwor ""] "It'd be nice to sell more records, but if I was in this for the money I could easily play something else...I don't understand how so many people can listen to typical music." -Trey Azagthoth |
| ________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 12:11pm - Kevord ""] He hasn't released a good album in over 13 years for christ sake. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 12:11pm - darkwor ""] opinion. |
| ________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 12:12pm - Kevord ""] darkwor said:"It'd be nice to sell more records, but if I was in this for the money I could easily play something else...I don't understand how so many people can listen to typical music." -Trey Azagthoth I'm sure his disco record will outsell Morbid Angel. |
| ________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 12:13pm - Kevord ""] darkwor said:opinion. 99% of RTTP is. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 12:13pm - darkwor ""] I'd buy it. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 12:15pm - darkwor ""] RTTP is full of factual information and I consistently cite it in scholarly articles about pictures of dicks. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 12:19pm - Lamp nli ""] reimroc said:wtf is "terrorcore"? Any fake band signed to B9. |
| _______________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 1:58pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] brian_dc said:think maybe at some point you stop doing it to care about other people? That's fine and dandy for him as a musician. Maybe at some point as a ticket-buying-type-person I stopped supporting shows I'm not interested in seeing with my money. Or am I stifling Mr. Azagthoth's creative spirit by not going to see a live trance performance, just because I really liked Blessed are the Sick? Surely if he's so dedicated to Morbid Angel and/or happy cuddlecore or whatever it is, he's not in it for the money, right? LOL Also bad punctuation. |
| _______________________________ [Feb 5,2009 2:13pm - zyklon ""] I can't talk shit until I actually hear the mix, it may sound interesting |
| _________________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 2:16pm - largefreakatzero ""] Trey is clearly a homo and should start dating Ghaal, or whatever that sword-swallower from Gogoroth calls himself. |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 2:22pm - NuclearWinter ""] Copious fucking question marks. |
| __________________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 2:36pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] i want to start a Cuddlecore band fronted by Snuggles. SUFFOCATION BY FLUFFY PILLOWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| ____________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 2:38pm - sacreligion ""] that's funny, cuz most of the metal community is wondering if he's a doucher. |
| _____________________________ [Feb 5,2009 3:27pm - Yeti ""] sweet, thanks for clearing that up Mr. Azagthoth. |
| _____________________________ [Feb 5,2009 3:27pm - Yeti ""] he should have stayed George Emmanuel III. |
| ________________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 3:31pm - ctb0rderpatrol ""] im not close minded bennyhillifier |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 4:58pm - Dr. Sphincto ""] Terrorcore is a type of hardcore techno sortof releated to gabber. An example of Terrorcore is Delta9 |
| __________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 6:29pm - demondave ""] Ha ha ha ha ... Is Dave Vincent going to go back to dressing in paramillitary black outfits with confederate flags all over them while they are bitching about close mindedness? Will he stand on the turntables swinging the bars and stars while doing it?? |
| _______________________________ [Feb 5,2009 6:53pm - fucjk ""] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeQ4hKr1IZI&feature=related |
| _______________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 7:05pm - DomesticTerror ""] i couldn't read that whole statement. i wish he had just said he was gay. |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 10:10pm - bumpadumper ""] mariocore |
| ________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 10:48pm - Hater ""] Time to hang up the bullet belt, douchebaggot. |
| _________________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 10:56pm - fleshfries nli ""] I like the his point about ego and whatnot, a lot of metal guys won't give any other music a chance. But honestly, I think a mixed show like that wouldn't be too good, usually metal dudes go to metal shows to hear metal. |
| __________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:10pm - metalguy ""] I dont think a tour with the berzerker would be out of the question.. a dj, i can see if they could really fit the bill and make some crazy sounds.. that would be interesting too see... not sure why he even has to ask if metalheads are close minded!! of course they are |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:26pm - swamplorddvm ""] Well, many can be. Knowing stuff about ancient myths or the satanic bible doesn't make one open minded. Not saying it makes you close minded though. |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 5,2009 11:31pm - swamplorddvm ""] Oh, and listening to European "folk" or Wagner doesn't make you open minded. Most will never try middle eastern or even african or flamenco, ect. When it comes to music, Metal community... not very open minded. But then, that's up to the individual. It's good for a community to be somewhat close minded if it is to survive. Protector and what's his name from Nile, they are open minded. |
| ________________________________________ [Feb 6,2009 6:53am - Conservationist ""] MoDecrepitvde said:I'd be into a Morbid Angel / Autechre tour. Me too... in 1994 or so. |
| ________________________________________ [Feb 6,2009 6:54am - Conservationist ""] swamplorddvm said:Metal community... not very open minded. "Open Minded" is an abused term. Figure out what you like and pursue it. Don't let the crowd con you into looking for the freaky so you feel justified. |
| ________________________________ [Feb 6,2009 7:09am - reimroc ""] Bottom line is people will like what they like. You should always broaden your horizons and try different things as a musician. If people dig what you do, then sweet. If they don't then move on. The point is to do what you want to do, play what you want to play and there will be fans there to support you. Its when people start calling things out as trendy, or gay, or this that and the other thing that really ruins everything this music genre has. Just sit back, shut up, listen to what you want to and support the people who make the music you love. |
| ____________________________________ [Feb 6,2009 7:12am - ouchdrummer ""] wow, reimroc being deep at 7am.... and conservationist making SENSE at 7am... WTF? |
| __________________________________________ [Feb 6,2009 7:20am - MondoDecrepitude ""] As much as I love metal, and have for years, I could never limit myself to just one particular genre of music. |
| ____________________________________ [Feb 6,2009 7:22am - ouchdrummer ""] ^^^^QFT^^^^ |
| ________________________________ [Feb 6,2009 7:30am - reimroc ""] MondoDecrepitude said:As much as I love metal, and have for years, I could never limit myself to just one particular genre of music. Neither could I. It in our nature as musicians to hear certain things within music that other people may not. Its also in our nature to try different things and to explore our boundaries. This ties in to limiting ourselves to one style of music. If we all did that, and had no apparent inspiration within our music everything would be bland and boring. So really when it comes down to it its our own love of listening and learning new things from varying styles and genres that gives us the ability to do things different. |
| ________________________________________ [Feb 6,2009 7:57am - Conservationist ""] darkwor said:"It'd be nice to sell more records, but if I was in this for the money I could easily play something else...I don't understand how so many people can listen to typical music." -Trey Azagthoth Remember him for that if nothing else. |
| ____________________________________ [Feb 6,2009 8:05am - ouchdrummer ""] Actually the "Squealing Pig" in Mission Hill does the same sort of thing sometimes. Boarcorpse played there on a spin kick Monday (metal/kung fu on a projection screen) and then after us a DJ that played something similar to what Trey is suggesting. I didn't know what to call him, but it was really heavy electronic music. I dug it. |
| ________________________________ [Feb 6,2009 12:35pm - Kevord ""] This isn't about having an open mind about music in my oppinion. It's more about Trey Azagthoth lack of interest in supporting other bands who play the style of music that has payed his bills for 20 years. I can't blame his record label or a promoter for not backing this tour. Why doesn't he use his own money for this failing trek. |