Read this convo with Joe of New England Concerts & OIV in regards to Mark's showplace. I ask for us to be a comunity and boycott these fuckers.
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[Jul 25,2007 2:22pm - mike at zero ""]
In regards to a suffocation show, Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:
I will be heading uo tp the office soon and will check if there is still any openings for that bill. You might have to play a different show first to see how your band works out for us. All shows are ticketed events and bands are required to pre sell tickets. National acts require 50-75 tickets to play. Are you able to do this?
Life at Zero:We've palyed mark's with Suffocation, kryptopsy, goatwhore, we belong on this bill. ask Bernie.
Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:You guys are added to the November 17th Suffocation show. You can do one of 2 things. Either 50 tickets to play or 75 and New England Concerts will give you 25 free for you to sell and make $500. Let me know what you are able to do. Also is there any way you could hop on the July 28th Till we Die & One In Vain show this Saturday and have 20-30 people show up with out selling tickets? Please send me a contact number.
Thanks-- Joe
Life at zero:Well my band said no to either show, and i have to agree. The whole, us selling 50 tickets for pay to play is rediculous. What is the point of a promoter that doesn't lift a finger but gets paid regardless. How bout you pay the local bands regardless, you sell the tickets, and stop bleeding the local bands dry to fill your pockets. I found out or last show was supposed to be with Fuck the facts and you guys offered them more money to steel money from local bands. looks like we are starting a boycott of the rock club, and we will bring others with us./ Remeber the bombshelter, we helped shut them down we can do the same to you. Besides, shows aren't fun with TNT nazi security there
Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:Wow - if you guys had a clue on how it works you would be red faced with stupidity. Good luck playing in front of 20 people for ever. Thanks for your kind words and good luck getting booked at any major venue
Life at zero:Sweet joe, i posted this on Rttp, Goodluck now fuckface. We have more respect in the local seen then you assraping retards. And we don't need your approval to play anywhere in new england. 20 people huh, when did you guys turn into the biggest promoters in the universe fuckstick? You actually believe that you control the local seen? I'll post this for all the local bands you use to read, and see where you have support. I'm sure you can always use Black out Frenzy and C.S.D.O to play all your shows. So are you actually the guy who sucks the "national" act's dicks to get them to play that shit hole? I hope you all rot on a blazing altar of syphilis!
[Jul 25,2007 2:23pm - mike at zero ""]
oops, i misspelled community in the title of the thread
[Jul 25,2007 2:43pm - mike at zero ""]
I'm really hurt, so hurt.
[Jul 25,2007 2:48pm - sxealex ""]
man fuck that guy and fuck pay to play bullshit
[Jul 25,2007 2:54pm - Mr. Big ""]
It sounds like you just didn't want to work. You asked him to play and cryed about the details. Grow up - have you ever done business before in this industry?
[Jul 25,2007 2:57pm - toc nli ""]
Mr. Big said:It sounds like you just didn't want to work. You asked him to play and cryed about the details. Grow up - have you ever done business before in this industry?
pff, what band would ever write this?
A carpenter doesn't pay to work. A chef doesn't pay to work. A musician does not have to pay to work, nor should they.
Screwing musicians is pretty "in" now due to the high volume of people playing music. Just because the market is flooded doesn't mean you have a right to rape hard working people out of money.
[Jul 25,2007 2:58pm - sxealex ""]
"the industry" you shut the fuck up mr big... its art it doesn't need to be an industry. you make your music and people pay to hear it. life at zero is pretty fuckin rad and these 3 or 4 companies that do this pay to play bs dont get bands anywhere unless they feel like it. its all this american idol bullshit about being discovered rather than working your ass off like the majority of good hardworking bands.
[Jul 25,2007 2:59pm - Sinistas ""]
If you've played at Mark's before, then why did you expect something different? They make you buy tickets upfront, and he said as such in the first message. There was no need to flame him and threaten a boycott when he did nothing to provoke it.
I don't agree with the way things are done at Mark's, but there are too many high-profile shows for any boycott to work. Especially when this is how you go about starting it.
[Jul 25,2007 3:00pm - largefreakatzero ""]
I wouldn't have gotten into it with these tools, Mike. A simple "No thank you, good luck with your club" would have sufficed. Don't bother with threats, it's not worth it.
To anonymous pussy above, I have a job that pays me well. The band is for fun. Selling tickets = not fun. If I wanted to "do business in this industry" I would be playing a style of music that appeals to the masses. The end.
[Jul 25,2007 3:00pm - the_reverend ""]
who is joe? Name's not ringing a bell.
[Jul 25,2007 3:02pm - mike at zero ""]
Yeah we have played and done this, it's taking advantage of the little guys we dont like. People drive for hours sometimes to play on these shows and recieve nothing. If you are not in support of the local seen take yor comments somewhere else.
[Jul 25,2007 3:02pm - sxealex ""]
im glad he said something about this kind of set up is bullshit. its really unacceptable extortion for professional bands.
[Jul 25,2007 3:05pm - mike at zero ""]
Joe is from some band called One in Vain. And he is some new guy working for New England concerts
[Jul 25,2007 3:06pm - Sinistas ""]
I'm not disagreeing with the whole buy tickets thing, believe me...But to just launch into that sort of rant unprovoked is kind of fucked up. People tend to disregard things said in anger, even if they're grounded in good sense.
I try to support the scene however I can, whether it's setting up shows or doing free web design and hosting for bands, so it's not like I'm against local bands or anything. It's just that this sort of deal with Mark's is nothing new, and this debate has been had before.
[Jul 25,2007 3:07pm - mike at zero ""]
There were a lot of High profile bands at the Bombshelter too, it is very possible to do anything, just takes support.
[Jul 25,2007 3:11pm - sxealex ""]
largefreakatzero said:I wouldn't have gotten into it with these tools, Mike. A simple "No thank you, good luck with your club" would have sufficed. Don't bother with threats, it's not worth it.
To anonymous pussy above, I have a job that pays me well. The band is for fun. Selling tickets = not fun. If I wanted to "do business in this industry" I would be playing a style of music that appeals to the masses. The end.
normally i would agree with you but im sick of seeing this shit.
a promoter's job is to invest in a bands performance and promote it. the way they have it set up is: they not only steal the performance but they steal money and time off the performer and dont do shit but own venue or acquaint a venue owner. Then the booking agents come to them.
I mean look at the metal brothers that used to do music business in Albany. They would pay every band. And they did ok for a decent period. And they were just as hype-filled as the NE concerts bs. I mean even all their emails were in caps. But at least they did have a twisted sense of business like these fucks. Ill play for free.... but I would almost never pay to play.
[Jul 25,2007 3:12pm - mike at zero ""]
Well It's about time people stop getting fucked by these guys. Yes I admit, i am high tempered and in the wrong about my comments, but the last reply of theirs is pretty fuckin lame, as well as a general attitude the have about everyone who has played there. If you work hard on your music, your art, you practically bleed for it, you should get paid. if we are to sell tickets, then why not give the bands 1/3 of all ticket sales, then it wouldn't be so bad, but that is not the case.
[Jul 25,2007 3:15pm - sxealex ""]
If marks is the local venue for big acts... and the people want it... the people should take it. We live in a democracy. If the majority dont like how something is being handled you bring it up to get it changed.
[Jul 25,2007 3:22pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
As far as I know, only metal bands fall for this shit. Punk/hardcore bands are usually at least getting some gas money and maybe a t-shirt sale or two. And my gf's father is making over a hundred a night (per person) with his Irish/country/oldies band, or he ain't showing up. It just keeps happening because it keeps being allowed to happen - and because young bands don't know any better.
[Jul 25,2007 3:22pm - the_reverend ""]
after reading this whole thread, the most shocking thing is that cryptopsy is spelt wrong. wow.. just wow...
[Jul 25,2007 3:23pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
the_reverend said:after reading this whole thread, the most shocking thing is that cryptopsy is spelt wrong. wow.. just wow...
Cyrpoptsy.
[Jul 25,2007 3:24pm - the_reverend ""]
http://www.google.com/search?q=Cyrpoptsy&i...lla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Did you mean: Cyrptopsy
[Jul 25,2007 3:24pm - mike at zero ""]
ooops, i suck. Sorry Rev. I'm not hip with the music the kids listen to.
[Jul 25,2007 3:26pm - Anthny ""]
Old news.. FUCK MARKS. Nuff said. I wish whatever out of state booking company kept on working with NEC and giving these tours to them would cease and desist.
[Jul 25,2007 3:26pm - mike at zero ""]
We should support our promoter friends within the ranks of the metal community. It's all about supporting local music. that's all.
[Jul 25,2007 3:27pm - Yeti ""]
what i'm hoping is that all of this gets Scott Lee off his ass. get cracking you fuck, take the good shows back!
[Jul 25,2007 3:35pm - guitar master ""]
I used to pay in a band called absoulte zero then colbalt casing. We played all around the east coast and had met some of the top people in the music scene by playing shows that we had to sell tickets for. I can honestly say It was the time of my life. We went from playing local shity dives to larger local dives and this is when we started selling tickets to our shows. We went from playing infront of 50- 100 people on a regular to 300-3,500 (depending on the venue and other bands). I know first hand that the promoters are not getting rich or taking advantage of the bands they book. A promoters job is to get as many people possible to a show and there best weapon for this is to have the bands promote themselves. It costs over $2000 dollars for radio adds and marketing tools. Where do you think the money comes from to promote a show at this scale? In todays market there is no more $50,000 record deals just given to a band for being a good musical group. Large record labels want to see you bringin a ton of people to shows as well as over all cd's sold. I agree with some of you about the art end of the musical spectrum but don't agree one bit with your cause to boycotte a club or bussiness just cause you can't do the work needed to bring a few hundred people out to the show. Mike you sound like a little kid with your insulsts of insecurity. Companies like the one pre mentioned above can truly help take a band from local status and make them national.
[Jul 25,2007 3:42pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
guitar master said:I used to pay in a band called absoulte zero then colbalt casing. We played all around the east coast and had met some of the top people in the music scene by playing shows that we had to sell tickets for. I can honestly say It was the time of my life. We went from playing local shity dives to larger local dives and this is when we started selling tickets to our shows. We went from playing infront of 50- 100 people on a regular to 300-3,500 (depending on the venue and other bands). I know first hand that the promoters are not getting rich or taking advantage of the bands they book. A promoters job is to get as many people possible to a show and there best weapon for this is to have the bands promote themselves. It costs over $2000 dollars for radio adds and marketing tools. Where do you think the money comes from to promote a show at this scale? In todays market there is no more $50,000 record deals just given to a band for being a good musical group. Large record labels want to see you bringin a ton of people to shows as well as over all cd's sold. I agree with some of you about the art end of the musical spectrum but don't agree one bit with your cause to boycotte a club or bussiness just cause you can't do the work needed to bring a few hundred people out to the show. Mike you sound like a little kid with your insulsts of insecurity. Companies like the one pre mentioned above can truly help take a band from local status and make them national.
Hi, Joe of New England Concerts & OIV.
[Jul 25,2007 3:44pm - sxealex ""]
how many rich friends you have should not reflect on ur music career. save that for numetal/Christian hardcore. I'm glad you had a fun time selling tickets and you probably had great success. But it shouldnt come this way. I did a pay to play once with DITK and we played DEAD LAST at 11 pm at the palladium.. we sold almost 75 tickets and gave them all the $. we played to 30 kids we knew already. When we put on our own shows we would make like 1200 bucks and pay all the bands well. they made $ off us and we got shit out of it.
[Jul 25,2007 3:44pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
BTW, smart bands promote themselves. Selling tickets is not promotion. Of course, any honest club owner is giving the bands a cut of the door (as opposed to making them run their asses off and risk going into debt to play), and so the bands have an actual motivation to self-promote.
[Jul 25,2007 3:47pm - Dwellingsickness ""]
If local bands could DRAW, there would be no reason for pay to play. And no bands had anything to do with the Bombshelter shutting down, Sorry Mike.
[Jul 25,2007 3:47pm - sxealex ""]
yea if bands wanna invest money... they should just book their own big acts. The middle man is just usurping .
[Jul 25,2007 3:56pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
I really believe this problem exists because the metal scene - or, rather, too many bands/people IN the metal scene - is still so focused on big-label dreams and "getting discovered." Problem being that only shit bands get the big payoff - big music just isn't interested in good metal. You Are Not Going To Be The Next Metallica. As much as the spin-kick girl-pants and/or xbeatyouupx hardcore scenes eat dick, they've at least got this part down pat. They book their own shows and venues, on their own terms.
[Jul 25,2007 3:58pm - HCP Fan ""]
mike at zero said:Joe is from some band called One in Vain. And he is some new guy working for New England concerts
Mike -- You must not have a clue about life........... I live in Boston and frequent most of the venues in the area. I am pretty sure I remember One In Vain selling out the Avalon a few weeks ago. You might not like the way it works but if I am not mistaken that was a New England Concert event. I wouldn't be the least bit suprised if the venue made a million and the promoter barely made ends meet. And you should ask the bands how much they made . I bet it is close to $0. I don't think I have ever seen a pit as big as the one when that group started to play. You have a lot to learn
[Jul 25,2007 4:01pm - sxealex ""]
NOT
[Jul 25,2007 4:02pm - sxealex ""]
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[Jul 25,2007 4:05pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
HCP Fan said:mike at zero said:Joe is from some band called One in Vain. And he is some new guy working for New England concerts
Mike -- You must not have a clue about life........... I live in Boston and frequent most of the venues in the area. I am pretty sure I remember One In Vain selling out the Avalon a few weeks ago. You might not like the way it works but if I am not mistaken that was a New England Concert event. I wouldn't be the least bit suprised if the venue made a million and the promoter barely made ends meet. And you should ask the bands how much they made . I bet it is close to $0. I don't think I have ever seen a pit as big as the one when that group started to play. You have a lot to learn
I like you. I like take you to edge of woods; we have sexy good time.
[Jul 25,2007 4:05pm - anonymous ""]
HCP Fan said:
I am pretty sure I remember One In Vain selling out the Avalon a few weeks ago. You might not like the way it works but if I am not mistaken that was a New England Concert event.
OH! you mean the show 'TILL WE DIE' or some gay shit headlined?
here's the typical crowd at a 'One In Vain' show...
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[Jul 25,2007 4:06pm - Sinistas ""]
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the headlining act who was releasing their cd might have had more to do with Avalon selling out than One In Vain.
[Jul 25,2007 4:08pm - sxealex ""]
note... mike said nothing about one in vain other than joe is in them.
[Jul 25,2007 4:11pm - HCP Fan ""]
<a href="http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=11491941">one in vain...6/23/07</a><br><embed src="http://lads.myspace.com/videos/myspacetv_vplayer0005.swf" flashvars="m=11491941&type=video" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="430" height="346"></embed><br><a href="http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.addToProfileConfirm&videoid=11491941&title=one in vain...6/23/07">Add to My Profile</a> | <a href="http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.home"> More Videos</a>
[Jul 25,2007 4:13pm - sxealex ""]
bahahaha
[Jul 25,2007 4:13pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
HCP Fan said:<a href="http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=11491941">one in vain...6/23/07</a><br><embed src="http://lads.myspace.com/videos/myspacetv_vplayer0005.swf" flashvars="m=11491941&type=video" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="430" height="346"></embed><br><a href="http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.addToProfileConfirm&videoid=11491941&title=one in vain...6/23/07">Add to My Profile</a> | <a href="http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.home"> More Videos</a>
tROO DAT
[Jul 25,2007 4:13pm - sxealex ""]
try linking us thnx
[Jul 25,2007 4:13pm - HCP Fan ""]
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=11491941
Here is a link to a video taped OIV show-- way to use a pic from when oIV started years ago. Those guys are not even still in the band
[Jul 25,2007 4:14pm - anonymous ""]
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=11491941
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH wow, that's the roughest and toughest video of a mosh pit I've ever seen!
[Jul 25,2007 4:15pm - sxealex ""]
bahahahaa
[Jul 25,2007 4:16pm - sxealex ""]
id rather see L@0 anyday
[Jul 25,2007 4:17pm - mike at zero ""]
Dear guitar master and Hcp. I have a clue, and have paid my dues. Been doing this for 12 years now children. I used to listen to hardcore when it was good and cool about 15 fucking years ago. The only thing i'm saying is that the only reason that people ask bands to pay to play, is cause bands will do it. not all of us have our mommy's and daddy's buy our equipment, or model ourselves after no talen assclowns on the top 40 and mtv. As an artist you should get paid. if you don't see it that way, you are not an artist, you are just another asshole that want's to ride on others coattails and do what the big bands are doing. i for one do not want to sacrifice anymore of what I and my band have worked so hard for, and on for the past 7 years.
[Jul 25,2007 4:19pm - the_reverend ""]
facts shmacks... cobalt is spelt wrong...
"We went from playing infront of 50- 100 people on a regular to 300-3,500"
I call bullshit on those numbers unless you are counting paying loccobazoka or something. Mark's capacity is what, 350? and the really really good shows there do like 250. Whether or not I like pay to play is irrelevant. On the non-p2p shows that I went to at Mark's there were like 5 people there. People just don't go out of their way to go there and see bands unless there is a motivation for bands to get their friends/family out to the shows. This turns into a cut-co knife type thing where bands get their friends/family out to shows. you notice this when the headliner has like 6 people watching them right after 50 people were watching an opener. If I knew the answer to getting people out to shows, I wouldn't be running a shitty scene site for queerbaits.
[Jul 25,2007 4:21pm - sxealex ""]
:whipper:
[Jul 25,2007 4:27pm - Dwellingsickness ""]
Chantilly's in manchvegas never did p2p, And we had some really killer shows there, but when they were empty , they were really empty.
[Jul 25,2007 4:30pm - DaveFromTheGrave ""]
guitar master said:I used to pay in a band called absoulte zero then colbalt casing. We played all around the east coast and had met some of the top people in the music scene by playing shows that we had to sell tickets for. I can honestly say It was the time of my life. We went from playing local shity dives to larger local dives and this is when we started selling tickets to our shows. We went from playing infront of 50- 100 people on a regular to 300-3,500 (depending on the venue and other bands). I know first hand that the promoters are not getting rich or taking advantage of the bands they book. A promoters job is to get as many people possible to a show and there best weapon for this is to have the bands promote themselves. It costs over $2000 dollars for radio adds and marketing tools. Where do you think the money comes from to promote a show at this scale? In todays market there is no more $50,000 record deals just given to a band for being a good musical group. Large record labels want to see you bringin a ton of people to shows as well as over all cd's sold. I agree with some of you about the art end of the musical spectrum but don't agree one bit with your cause to boycotte a club or bussiness just cause you can't do the work needed to bring a few hundred people out to the show. Mike you sound like a little kid with your insulsts of insecurity. Companies like the one pre mentioned above can truly help take a band from local status and make them national.
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[Jul 25,2007 4:31pm - timmy porphyria ""]
>>
........I wouldn't be the least bit suprised if the venue made a million
a million, ha ha. yeah that seems about right. pfft.
[Jul 25,2007 4:33pm - mike at zero ""]
I know humiliation and modesty, i don't come one here saying how many people we play in front of or try to make what we love doing a competition. we have had our good shows and our bad shows, and always think we can do better and strive for it. we have shared the stage with many great young, old, all around talented bands, be them local or national. Call me a winer, a child, or whatever you will, but know one thing, I will always support our local seen, and want what local bands deserve. I understand that there is a system, like in most aspects of life that you have to work with, fair or unfair. And i said nothing about Oiv, not my thing, but made no insult. I remember the great days of the early 90's, when shows were booked by local band guys, and everyone shared a bit of the cash. we do this still at places like Milly's tavern in manch, a great venue, where you have control over the shows, the more you promote, the more you make, no middle man, and everyone gets a peice of the door. I can tell that you are friends or accaintences of Oiv by your anger and insults, and if you want to pay to play, that's your thing, I'm only exspressing my beliefs and anger on the issue, and ask for a sense of community that seems to be lacking these days.
[Jul 25,2007 4:38pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
I don't know - according to CSDO, the ultimate goal of music is to play with *ahem* "the nationals." Surely they know what it's all about, no?
[Jul 25,2007 4:39pm - mike at zero ""]
We feel successful in the fact that we wrote, recorded, mixed and produced our own full lengths, to me that's success.
[Jul 25,2007 4:43pm - anonymous ""]
WHERE IS DWYER WHEN YOU NEED HIM?
SEEN = SCENE!!!!!!!!!
[Jul 25,2007 4:45pm - sxealex ""]
what constitutes a national act anyway... playing around the nation?
[Jul 25,2007 4:46pm - largefreakatzero ""]
anonymous said:WHERE IS DWYER WHEN YOU NEED HIM?
SEEN = SCENE!!!!!!!!!
Haha -- I was thinking that too. Dwyer needs to have a sit-down with Mike to discuss spelling.
[Jul 25,2007 4:47pm - largefreakatzero ""]
sxealex said:what constitutes a national act anyway... playing around the nation?
Therefore, TOS was certainly a national act -- you guys played all over the place.
[Jul 25,2007 4:49pm - sxealex ""]
yea and then serge at the bomb shelter was like comeback and you can play with a national act. and we were like ummmmmmmmm. wtf? are we in highschool?
[Jul 25,2007 4:53pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
Touring bands get no respect at home. FACT.
[Jul 25,2007 5:04pm - Lamp ""]
Who the fuck would want to play shows to a few decent people and thousands of total losers anyway?
Keep it small.
[Jul 25,2007 5:13pm - HCP Fan ""]
DestroyYouAlot said:Touring bands get no respect at home. FACT.
Ya unless they build up a large fan base at home first and stay true to their roots while they are gone. You must have never been on a real tour before.
[Jul 25,2007 5:16pm - sxealex ""]
HCP... if you knew what you were talking about you would have tried to prove it by now. What do you think a real tour is???
[Jul 25,2007 5:24pm - Dankill ""]
There has GOT to be better places for bands to play then Mark's.
And only holding 350? Come on!
[Jul 25,2007 5:27pm - sxealex ""]
why dont we just make a metal/hc venue non-profit collective. then the promoter can make $ but require that its not pay to play or some other stupid gimmick.
[Jul 25,2007 5:34pm - BornSoVile ""]
You know what sucks more than Mark's doing business like this? Bands that do business like this. It's a real turn off for me to see bands actually value and trick themselves into thinking that their shit is awesome because they pay somebody to book them. Playing in front of 20 metal heads in Boston who know there shit > Playing in front of 200 retards at Marks who are only there cause "it's a wicked sick strip club".
[Jul 25,2007 5:59pm - fuckin dude ""]
listen, i am too drunk to read the full thread... but i will say this
i know one in vain personally, and they are a bunch of clowns ... haha their band is a joke.. that said, you should realize that you gotta bite the bullet sometimes and sell tix to play.. it sucks, but you will get there
[Jul 25,2007 6:03pm - sxealex ""]
hahaha what? im so confused.
[Jul 25,2007 6:05pm - Pires ""]
Yeah, fuck pay to play clubs/shows...Never worth it...And Mark's sucks as a strip joint...You dont see any va-jay-jay! Although, Suffocation is coming back to Mark's...
[Jul 25,2007 6:11pm - BornSoVile ""]
I love it when all these world class musicians who havn't played south of CT think they know everything and resort to telling you, you have to man up to make in the biz cuz dats the way dis shit rolls son.
[Jul 25,2007 6:12pm - my balls ""]
Fuckin dude is talking out his ass That band is all about the fans and the music. I bet you have never even met them and if you did you were most likely a drunk ass and they wouldn't give you the time of day. I live in the same town as those guys and know for a fact they are chill guys just trying to go forward. Whats your real name you homo
[Jul 25,2007 6:13pm - my balls ""]
Don't be jealous cause they are talk about on waaf a few times a month for the kick ass shows they play
[Jul 25,2007 6:17pm - inject-now ""]
fuck marks showplace.
fuck nu-metal bands that book marks.
everything about that place sucks so much balls.
[Jul 25,2007 6:17pm - BornSoVile ""]
DUDE HILLMAN IS THE FUCKING SHIT!
[Jul 25,2007 6:29pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
HCP Fan said:DestroyYouAlot said:Touring bands get no respect at home. FACT.
Ya unless they build up a large fan base at home first and stay true to their roots while they are gone. You must have never been on a real tour before.
Sorry, dude, it's science. Back of the class for you.
my balls said:Don't be jealous cause they are talk about on waaf a few times a month for the kick ass shows they play
OMG AAF, D00D! MISTRESS CARRIE'S LEATHERY CLAM! WOOO!!!
(BTW, you're an idiot.)
[Jul 25,2007 6:33pm - sxealex ""]
its funny how when there is argument like this 1000 anon posters come in and argue with each other when they are probably the same guy. where is black metal lady?
[Jul 25,2007 6:36pm - ArrowHead likes Pie ""]
Bands nowadays already DO pay to play. Most bands around here have CD's they self-funded, as well as shirts, merch, vans, and thousands upon thousands of dollars in gear. When it comes to budgets for promotion, we spend ours on all of these things. We record the music, bust balls to play anywhere and everywhere to expose and sell it, and spread as much word of mouth promotion as we can. I don't think I've ever met a single kid in a band who didn't make me AWARE they were in a band withing the first ten minutes of meeting them.
So since we already have our promotion spending cut out for us, it's always struck me as foolish for "promoters" to try and pass their own expenses on to us as well. Pay to play is not just some bullshit scam, it's in general a piss poor business model.
Look at clubs like CBGB. (RIP). Build up a client base. Create a unique and interesting atmosphere. This is the entire point of a club hiring a "promoter". Live entertainment is only one manner of bringing in this client base, but to us musicians it's the only one that matters. We WANT your client base, so we can expose our music to them. If you insist on making your live acts the FOCUS of your club's draw, then your selection is smaller, your draw eventually will suffer, and you make little to no progress in creating this thriving club culture you want.
Build good bills, and offer any and everything else you can to get people into your club. Now, build some strong and musically consistent bills to entertain these people. Expose new bands, discover unheard of talent that may eventually become a large draw, and try to procure some bands that are already established draws on every bill.
Pay to play is a cheap excuse by promoters to guarantee a good draw or breaking even for a night. Instead of having to do the research, go to shows and see who will and will not make your old customers happy and bring in new ones as well, you just make the bands do all that legwork for you. Not only that, but with pay to play you can hold the BANDS responsible for a misjudged bill, or a poorly publicized event.
I would much rather see more bars start doing "Pay to Promote".
But in a contrary sidenote, I must mention that Mike at Zero loses ultimately on this one. He came across as a hot-headed asshole, thus justifying and misgivings this guy might have had against his band in the first place.
In another sidenote, maybe you shouldn't be having the guy that cannot spell book your shows and write emails on your bands behalf?
[Jul 25,2007 6:37pm - Hcp Fan ""]
Rev how much money do you make running this page?
[Jul 25,2007 6:39pm - ArrowHead likes Pie ""]
Hcp Fan said:Rev how much money do you make running this page?
I'm pretty sure Rev SPENDS money running this page. It's a labor of love, not profit.
[Jul 25,2007 6:40pm - sxealex ""]
FUCK ALL OF YOUsjk.dbflajk.akfg
[Jul 25,2007 6:41pm - Hcp Fan ""]
thats what I wanted to know
[Jul 25,2007 6:41pm - sxealex ""]
i think most of the money he spends is on gas
[Jul 25,2007 6:43pm - Hcp Fan ""]
sxealex said:i think most of the money he spends is on gas
What do you mean
[Jul 25,2007 6:45pm - sxealex ""]
well it pretty obvious you dont have any interest in this site if you dont know all he does is drive around and take a billion awesome pictures of local shows.
[Jul 25,2007 6:45pm - ArrowHead likes Pie ""]
He goes to like 800 bajillion shows a week, all over new england.
[Jul 25,2007 6:46pm - sxealex ""]
there are people that support the music scene and people that rape it. you HCP etc rape it.
[Jul 25,2007 6:47pm - sxealex ""]
in other words in your head you hear "What can the music scene do for me". In my head I hear "what can I do for the music scene."
[Jul 25,2007 6:48pm - sxealex ""]
not that i do too much or anything. just saying.
[Jul 25,2007 7:00pm - the_reverend ""]
as long as this site is "packed" with banner ads, I break even on the site and lose A LOT each year to gas and camera gear/repair. "a lot" is even factoring in all the magazines and papers that pay me for pictures. "a lot" meaning around the price of a new car.
[Jul 25,2007 7:01pm - the_reverend ""]
and that's yearly costs.
ps: this convo is even funnier for me cause I see everyone's IPs. even people who may log out to post things.
[Jul 25,2007 7:12pm - BlackoutRick ""]
Yeah, we haven't played their in over a year.
[Jul 25,2007 7:18pm - ArrowHead likes Pie ""]
the_reverend said:
ps: this convo is even funnier for me cause I see everyone's IPs. even people who may log out to post things.
You always say stuff like that, but you never expose people. I think it would be a lot funnier if you did.
And Rev, when you say around the price of a new car you should factor in the price OF a new car, since I bet you log twice as many miles on your auto as any average person.
[Jul 25,2007 7:26pm - the_reverend ""]
last year 50K. the cost of gas factors that in.
[Jul 25,2007 7:29pm - the_reverend ""]
and I'm for anonymous outlets of speech unless something in completely terrible. Just think of all the night-rapes that people on this board would have under their belts if the ladies and gentlemen had an anonymous forum to voice things they can't voice as themselves. anti-anonimity is a george bush thing, that faggot.
[Jul 25,2007 7:35pm - sxealex ""]
not that it wasnt obvious anyway i suspect fuck dude and my balls are the same person. hence my comment.
[Jul 25,2007 7:36pm - ArrowHead likes Pie ""]
No, I'm pretty sure most people post here and then STILL go out at night to rape.
[Jul 25,2007 8:05pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
the_reverend said:and I'm for anonymous outlets of speech unless something in completely terrible. Just think of all the night-rapes that people on this board would have under their belts if the ladies and gentlemen had an anonymous forum to voice things they can't voice as themselves. anti-anonimity is a george bush thing, that faggot.
Hear, hear. Anonymous approves.
[Jul 25,2007 8:09pm - the_reverend ""]
log out to say that.
and pete: they go out because they feel safe they won't be caught
[Jul 25,2007 8:34pm - powerkok ""]
LAZ is a fucking kickass death metal band. They seem to get the shaft a lot, when it comes to this type of shit.
When HCN and LAZ would play at Marks, on seperate, and the same occasion, there would be times when we would play without selling a single ticket, and get a better slot.
It was always like 'Do we need tix or....'
As far as the naysayers......eat shit, you try to do that while maintaining a ft job. 'Industry' HAHAHAHAHa thats funny.
The industry is in LA and NYC and consists of which slut will be the new Britney.
Thats all.
And I fucking mean it.
Ohh and LAZ pwns.
[Jul 25,2007 11:59pm - Nick Watchmaker ""]
has any shitty local metal band that ever opened a show at marks ever amounted to anything ever? fuck marks. fuck bernie. fuck pay to play and fuck you!
[Jul 26,2007 12:22am - sxealex ""]
here here! and fuck me im a cockass.
[Jul 26,2007 1:04am - why ""]
this is a great idea! all you dipshit local bands that suck should definately boycott! then i wont have to listen to your unoriginal,uninspired,unremarkable shit anymore!
i dont understand why anyone thinks they are entitled to play at all nevermind get paid to
[Jul 26,2007 1:14am - sxealex ""]
"we" are entitled to play because without local bands ur selling a one band show in east bumfuck. without local bands you have no scene. without a scene you have no customers. you are but leaves on this tree stop fucking with the roots.
[Jul 26,2007 1:20am - sxealex ""]
ps a formal boycott is not required just dont pay to play. period.
[Jul 26,2007 1:24am - timjohn ""]
this thread is lol... a lot of wrong and a lot of right. oh well
[Jul 26,2007 1:24am - why ""]
i for one would rather see one great band regardless of the distance than one good one and 4 or 5 that suck.
you're not the roots of anything thats inconcievably stupid of you to say.
and its not like you are really paying to play, you're buying tickets to sell that ensure that the band everyone actually wants to see will get paid and maybe even return
you should be thankful to even get that,and if you spent half as much time trying to sell the tickets as you do crying online about selling tickets it would be a nonissue
the only thing you'll accomplish by boycotting is that the good bands won't come at all and every night will be local shitfest night
[Jul 26,2007 1:26am - why ""]
and maybe if you're band didnt suck you would be able to sell some tickets,jerkoff
[Jul 26,2007 1:30am - anonymous ""]
why said:i for one would rather see one great band regardless of the distance than one good one and 4 or 5 that suck.
you're not the roots of anything thats inconcievably stupid of you to say.
and its not like you are really paying to play, you're buying tickets to sell that ensure that the band everyone actually wants to see will get paid and maybe even return
you should be thankful to even get that,and if you spent half as much time trying to sell the tickets as you do crying online about selling tickets it would be a nonissue
the only thing you'll accomplish by boycotting is that the good bands won't come at all and every night will be local shitfest night
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[Jul 26,2007 1:32am - wtf ""]
why said:and maybe if you're band didnt suck you would be able to sell some tickets,jerkoff
You're mad because you used to be in Asystole. :middlefinger:
[Jul 26,2007 1:41am - boine ""]
sick mosh i liked when that one guy bumped into the other fucking brutal
[Jul 26,2007 1:41am - timjohn ""]
posting anonymously is pretty much the lowest of the low. you reeeaaally suck if that is how you defend yourself.
btw your argument blows because your band is horrid and it's all about the musiccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc
[Jul 26,2007 1:59am - why ""]
uh oh,someones threatening my fragile rockstar self image,
better start with the insults and bullshit instead of admitting you're wrong
[Jul 26,2007 3:40am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""]
bottom line is charging bands to play is a scam, hands-down.
All these fake posters claiming "It works!" are further proof how far these scam artists will go to take your money and mine. Sxealex and I have seen America and played literally hundreds of shows nationwide without paying to a promoter one lousy fucking cent for any of it. So can you, so don't believe these lies and scams.
Preying on bands is really fucked up...even shit bands just want to make some music.
[Jul 26,2007 7:16am - lfaz_nli ""]
I appreciate everyone that supports us and took our side in this bullshit, but we should have handled correspondance with this club far more professionally. That is all.
[Jul 26,2007 7:59am - toc nli ""]
lfaz_nli said:I appreciate everyone that supports us and took our side in this bullshit, but we should have handled correspondance with this club far more professionally. That is all.
oh definitely, you should never be the one to start a fight if you can help it.
However, that doesn't excuse the fact that they're trying to swindle people.
[Jul 26,2007 9:21am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
why said:you're not the roots of anything thats inconcievably stupid of you to say. and its not like you are really paying to play, you're buying tickets to sell that ensure that the band everyone actually wants to see will get paid and maybe even return
you should be thankful to even get that,and if you spent half as much time trying to sell the tickets as you do crying online about selling tickets it would be a nonissue
Fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you fuck you you clueless retard. I don't know if you're in a band, but if you don't deserve to get paid for your performance, than go practice and get the fuck off the message boards. Local bands that actually support (i.e., comprise the entire whole of) the metal scene deserve to get paid for their time and effort the same as any other professional musician does. Stop sucking some methed-up assbag promoter's dick and come up for air; you'll smell the bullshit better that way.
Edited for missing apostrophe.
[Jul 26,2007 9:29am - goatcatalyst ""]
this thread is 118 posts of butt-hurt
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take a load off
[Jul 26,2007 9:35am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
goatcatalyst said:this thread is 118 posts of butt-hurt
take a load off
For the win!
[Jul 26,2007 9:42am - hungtableed ""]
Any promoter who feels the necissity to have local openers sell 50-75 so that they can feel comfortable knowing they'll have the $ to pay the national, shouldn't be in the business of booking shows. See "Promoter". Promoting the show is his fucking job, even though 10 out 10 times the bands STILL promote the balls out of their own gigs. Our job is to bring the live music, not sell the place out for the club to fill their fat pockets. We just returned our tickets for the Nile show and told them we do not/will not partake in "paying to play". Fuck these fags.
[Jul 26,2007 9:51am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
IMO - Pay to play only works when you have a large consistent supply of rich friends. i dont understand how clubs like this can expect you to sell tickets for saayy...$20? or so and then do this every weekend (sometimes twice) without completely bleeding their fanbase dry of funds. Also the other problem is that you have to collect all the money before hand from people for the tickets which turns to a complete fucking fiasco that only results in everyone getting pissed of. Personally, my main concern when playing shows is not getting 100-1000 people in the door but rather putting on a memorable and fun show for the people who do come to check it out.
[Jul 26,2007 9:55am - hung_to_bleed ""]
I'd feel like a fucking loser selling my friends $20 tickets when they can come over my house, with a $20 case of beer or handle of whiskey, and watch us for free....even sometimes grilling dead animal in between songs.
[Jul 26,2007 9:56am - largefreakatzero ""]
toc nli said:lfaz_nli said:I appreciate everyone that supports us and took our side in this bullshit, but we should have handled correspondance with this club far more professionally. That is all.
oh definitely, you should never be the one to start a fight if you can help it.
However, that doesn't excuse the fact that they're trying to swindle people.
I think it's the spelling errors that are bothering me more than anything. And shit -- I spelled "correspondence" incorrectly above.
[Jul 26,2007 9:58am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
largefreakatzero said:toc nli said:lfaz_nli said:I appreciate everyone that supports us and took our side in this bullshit, but we should have handled correspondance with this club far more professionally. That is all.
oh definitely, you should never be the one to start a fight if you can help it.
However, that doesn't excuse the fact that they're trying to swindle people.
I think it
Heh?
[Jul 26,2007 9:58am - largefreakatzero ""]
Sorry I had an "enter" button spasm.
[Jul 26,2007 9:59am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
largefreakatzero said:Sorry I had an "enter" button spasm.
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[Jul 26,2007 10:02am - hung_to_bleed ""]
largefreakatzero said:toc nli said:lfaz_nli said:I appreciate everyone that supports us and took our side in this bullshit, but we should have handled correspondance with this club far more professionally. That is all.
oh definitely, you should never be the one to start a fight if you can help it.
However, that doesn't excuse the fact that they're trying to swindle people.
I think it's the spelling errors that are bothering me more than anything. And shit -- I spelled "correspondence" incorrectly above.
Use Firefox, it's got a spell checker feature. As long as it's a real word, you'll never post shit spelling anything incorrectly ever again.
[Jul 26,2007 10:16am - Josh_Martin ""]
Don't bother boycotting a club. There will ALWAYS be scumbag promoters pulling the pay-to-play scam. The only way it will end is if no bands fall for it. Boycott bands who pay-to-play and perpetuate this bullshit. I see too many bands who are all like "Fuck pay-to-play, man" until their favorite band gets booked at Marks or wherever and then all of the sudden pay-to-play is ok "just this once".
Fuck that.
[Jul 26,2007 10:25am - largefreakatzero ""]
hung_to_bleed said:>>
Use Firefox, it's got a spell checker feature. As long as it's a real word, you'll never post shit spelling anything incorrectly ever again. >>
I was bitching about my singer's spelling errors. I don't make spelling errors, only typos.
[Jul 26,2007 10:32am - Yeti ""]
i'm Mr. Burns blah blah blah
do this, do that blah blah blah
[Jul 26,2007 10:36am - FuckIsMySignature ""]
Josh_Martin said:...I see too many bands who are all like "Fuck pay-to-play, man" until their favorite band gets booked at Marks or wherever and then all of the sudden pay-to-play is ok "just this once".
Fuck that.
ya i we almost did that for the upcoming Nile show but ultimately decided against it. it sucks getting the "opportunity" to open for a band you are a huge fan of but it the circumstances associated with it just arent worth the trouble. especially since there's also already fucking 9 bands on the bill...which is equally retarded.
[Jul 26,2007 11:11am - metal_church101 ""]
It's Supply and Demand 101. As long as there are enough bands for venues to participate in being bent over (Pay to Play), venues and promoters will continue doing it because it is the easier for them.
In other words, if local bands are willing to do the work, let 'em.
When they have burnt all their bridges with the pay to play, they'll have to change how they do business or risk going under.
[Jul 26,2007 11:19am - hung_to_bleed ""]
When we, I guess I use the word "we" loosely", agreed to sell tickets for the Nile show I was dead set against it from the get-go. It wasn't until the rest of my band realized that selling tickets for Mark's was more like being pimped that they decided to say 'fuck it' and return all the tickets. The Anal Cunt show we got added on for Aug. 11th we were asked to sell tickets but there is no bottom line and we are not in some type of situation where we'd have to pay out of our pocket if we don't sell that bottom line. It's just a "sell as many as we can" type of deal. That's a far cry from "ummmmpphh, ok guys...sell 25 now and then give us the money and you can pick up your next 25. When you sell those (and let me remind you, you only have a week and a half) you can give us the $$ and pick up the last 25" - fuck that faggot shit.
[Jul 26,2007 11:23am - joshtruction ""]
I would pay to play certain shows. Lets say... a show that is worth it. One where there will be lots of people, and one where people can dance and have a good time. I'd pay to play something like NEMHF. Marks showplace??? Fuck that, pay to play and the only people at the show are the ones locals sold tickets to. Way to go promoters.
I think that place would be a ton better if they did 2 single things... Ditched the pay to play BS, Allowed people that go there to see shows to actually have fun. Until then I will not be stepping foot in that shithole.
[Jul 26,2007 11:23am - anonymous ""]
hung_to_bleed said:When we, I guess I use the word "we" loosely", agreed to sell tickets for the Nile show I was dead set against it from the get-go. It wasn't until the rest of my band realized that selling tickets for Mark's was more like being pimped that they decided to say 'fuck it' and return all the tickets. The Anal Cunt show we got added on for Aug. 11th we were asked to sell tickets but there is no bottom line and we are not in some type of situation where we'd have to pay out of our pocket if we don't sell that bottom line. It's just a "sell as many as we can" type of deal. That's a far cry from "ummmmpphh, ok guys...sell 25 now and then give us the money and you can pick up your next 25. When you sell those (and let me remind you, you only have a week and a half) you can give us the $$ and pick up the last 25" - fuck that faggot shit.
you should have given all the tickets away. hahahahah.
[Jul 26,2007 11:30am - hung_to_bleed ""]
anonymous said:hung_to_bleed said:When we, I guess I use the word "we" loosely", agreed to sell tickets for the Nile show I was dead set against it from the get-go. It wasn't until the rest of my band realized that selling tickets for Mark's was more like being pimped that they decided to say 'fuck it' and return all the tickets. The Anal Cunt show we got added on for Aug. 11th we were asked to sell tickets but there is no bottom line and we are not in some type of situation where we'd have to pay out of our pocket if we don't sell that bottom line. It's just a "sell as many as we can" type of deal. That's a far cry from "ummmmpphh, ok guys...sell 25 now and then give us the money and you can pick up your next 25. When you sell those (and let me remind you, you only have a week and a half) you can give us the $$ and pick up the last 25" - fuck that faggot shit.
you should have given all the tickets away. hahahahah.
We should have, and then not played of coarse. Because if we showed up to play, they would have expected $1125 from us: (75 tickets X $15 a pop).
[Jul 26,2007 11:32am - joshtruction ""]
hung_to_bleed said:anonymous said:hung_to_bleed said:When we, I guess I use the word "we" loosely", agreed to sell tickets for the Nile show I was dead set against it from the get-go. It wasn't until the rest of my band realized that selling tickets for Mark's was more like being pimped that they decided to say 'fuck it' and return all the tickets. The Anal Cunt show we got added on for Aug. 11th we were asked to sell tickets but there is no bottom line and we are not in some type of situation where we'd have to pay out of our pocket if we don't sell that bottom line. It's just a "sell as many as we can" type of deal. That's a far cry from "ummmmpphh, ok guys...sell 25 now and then give us the money and you can pick up your next 25. When you sell those (and let me remind you, you only have a week and a half) you can give us the $$ and pick up the last 25" - fuck that faggot shit.
you should have given all the tickets away. hahahahah.
We should have, and then not played of coarse. Because if we showed up to play, they would have expected $1125 from us: (75 tickets X $15 a pop).
Imagine 4 local bands all doing the same thing on the same day.... :LOL:
[Jul 26,2007 11:33am - hung_to_bleed ""]
I am 100% against paying to play. I this case of A.C. show at Rusty G's we were (1) likely to go there with a decent crew anyways because my friend lives on that street, (2) the guys there are nice as it is out local watering hole, and (3) there is no bottom line and we are not required to pay out of our pocket if we don't reach that bottom line. That's whats gay, having to sell X amount and if you don't and still want to play, fork over some loot to make up for the difference.
[Jul 26,2007 11:34am - hung_to_bleed ""]
joshtruction said:
you should have given all the tickets away. hahahahah.
We should have, and then not played of coarse. Because if we showed up to play, they would have expected $1125 from us: (75 tickets X $15 a pop).
Imagine 4 local bands all doing the same thing on the same day.... :LOL:
Wow, that'd be such a good idea for a few bands to sign on to. What a way to fuck them over big time.
[Jul 26,2007 11:36am - joshtruction ""]
Imagine... they think they are going to have a nice sold out show and tons of people show up and the ONLY cash they make is from the bar hahaha. Man that would be funny. Oh wait a second... They would just feel like the bands they butcher...
[Jul 26,2007 11:37am - da chief ""]
this thread amuses me so much and its cause i cant think of a band who posts on here who hasnt done this.
josh martin and ryan are the only straight faced motherfuckers here.
[Jul 26,2007 11:38am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
Just because you've compromised on a principle in the past doesn't mean you can't still have it.
[Jul 26,2007 11:41am - da chief ""]
DestroyYouAlot said:Just because you've compromised on a principle in the past doesn't mean you can't still have it.
ill give you that, and ill just repost this.......
Josh_Martin said:I see too many bands who are all like "Fuck pay-to-play, man" until their favorite band gets booked at Marks or wherever and then all of the sudden pay-to-play is ok "just this once".
Fuck that.
[Jul 26,2007 11:42am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
NO U
[Jul 26,2007 11:44am - joshtruction ""]
da chief said:this thread amuses me so much and its cause i cant think of a band who posts on here who hasnt done this.
josh martin and ryan are the only straight faced motherfuckers here.
Sometimes you have to learn from your mistakes. My old band played there one single time. We got our tickets 2 days before the show and still sold 25. We got there and found out kids were not allowed to dance or van damn look alikes will try throw you out. After all that we played in front of about 35-40 people. I've got paid to play basement shows with more people than this.
The promoters need to get off thier ass and promote. They need to get some local bands that have good following as support acts, and not any asshole that can sell a few tickets.
[Jul 26,2007 11:45am - da chief ""]
im sorry too much jack and coke, could you repeat yourself a lil louder next time.
i got my stereo on.
[Jul 26,2007 11:46am - metal_church101 ""]
This thread is very entertaining.
[Jul 26,2007 11:46am - Cav ""]
yea, at Marks it seems like the club has no draw so they get 10 local bands to open the show and sell tickets so that they can pay their bands. what they really should do is get 2-3 GOOD openers and actually promote their own show, instead of making shitty bands pay their nationals. 30 year old numetal bands do not belong opening for nile. the bands on this board who spend time writing music, instead of promoting their shitty band should be opening these shows. but, alas, the music "industry" sucks.
and im sure the only reason all these national bands keep coming back to this shithole are the strippers next door
[Jul 26,2007 11:48am - da chief ""]
actually the best way to stop local bands and promoters who go into business such as this is stop going to their shows.
time will take care of the rest.
also packed big hall show = boo packed little basement show = mucho goodtimes
[Jul 26,2007 11:50am - da chief ""]
hey cav could you say plethara in a spanish accent for me
[Jul 26,2007 12:25pm - immortal13 ""]
Yeah, I remember that show Fuck The Facts was supposed to play because umm...I put that fucking show on. Fucking assholes said it was to close in date and location to the show Mark's so they had to drop off. Funny, because the people putting on their show in Dover didn't seem to complain about it, which was a few days after. Even after my hatred for Mark's started, I was gonna go and see Enslaved and The Faceless there, but I've decided fuck that. I'm not touching that fucking rock club again. The only reason I'm ever going to Mark's again is for my friend who happens to be a stripper there, but I'm not stepping foot in the rock club. Bernie is nothing but a corrupt giant douche, and someone needs to put him out of business.
[Jul 26,2007 12:25pm - immortal13 ""]
By the way, yes I am still angry about the whole thing with FTF. I hope Bernie reads this too. What do you have to say now, dick?
[Jul 26,2007 3:22pm - dreadkill ""]
from what i remember, the bombshelter shut down because management had no idea how to run the place.
[Jul 26,2007 3:59pm - mikeatzero1977 ""]
Dear arrow head: I already said i was a hothead, so Suggadeek!
[Jul 26,2007 4:00pm - slow ""]
I've got a dumb question: how exactly does the sales pitch go when you are selling tickets?
Friends and relatives are easy, but the majority of my coworkers and relatives HATE metal. So you get some mercy ticket sales there.
Then what? Go into some metal show and try and convince random people in the crowd to buy tickets? Holy shit that would suck.
I suppose after that you can't exactly back out since your family, friends and a few strangers have been conned into the show. So what next? Buy all the tickets and try and give them away?
So after all that crap, you play a show in front of a couple of your friends that like metal, a bunch of bored coworkers, scared relatives and 5% of the people who you gave free tickets to that actually showed up?
I think I'd rather sell vacuum cleaners or encyclopedias than tickets to a pay to play shitfest.
[Jul 26,2007 4:05pm - mikeatzero1977 ""]
why said:i for one would rather see one great band regardless of the distance than one good one and 4 or 5 that suck.
you're not the roots of anything thats inconcievably stupid of you to say.
and its not like you are really paying to play, you're buying tickets to sell that ensure that the band everyone actually wants to see will get paid and maybe even return
you should be thankful to even get that,and if you spent half as much time trying to sell the tickets as you do crying online about selling tickets it would be a nonissue
the only thing you'll accomplish by boycotting is that the good bands won't come at all and every night will be local shitfest night
And what fantastically great band do you belong to?
[Jul 26,2007 4:08pm - mikeatzero1977 ""]
why said:and maybe if you're band didnt suck you would be able to sell some tickets,jerkoff
and my band doesn't suck, it's called working full time jobs, having family, and various bills to pay. you sound as if you live in a cushy environment where your income is supplimented by your parents, as well as equipment and space cost. Your parents should have invested in abortion.
[Jul 26,2007 4:12pm - mikeatzero1977 ""]
hungtableed said:Any promoter who feels the necissity to have local openers sell 50-75 so that they can feel comfortable knowing they'll have the $ to pay the national, shouldn't be in the business of booking shows. See "Promoter". Promoting the show is his fucking job, even though 10 out 10 times the bands STILL promote the balls out of their own gigs. Our job is to bring the live music, not sell the place out for the club to fill their fat pockets. We just returned our tickets for the Nile show and told them we do not/will not partake in "paying to play". Fuck these fags.
Kudos
[Jul 26,2007 4:43pm - sxealex ""]
IN COMMUNIST RUSSIA BAND PLAYS YOU
[Jul 26,2007 4:45pm - sxealex ""]
all these people need to sell Italian ice for a living
[Jul 26,2007 4:46pm - largefreakatzero ""]
I like Gelatto better.
[Jul 26,2007 4:47pm - sxealex ""]
mi scapa la pipi
[Jul 26,2007 4:51pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
This is what I use to sell tickets:
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[Jul 26,2007 4:53pm - thegreatspaldino ""]
that dude looks like kane hodder
[Jul 26,2007 4:56pm - thegreatspaldino ""]
and probably is him...
[Jul 26,2007 5:01pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""]
If the national act can't draw maybe it's the club's lack of promotion and that band's lack of a fanbase.
Shouldn't a "big national act" like Nile be able to draw enough people to cover their costs and make the club a profit?
If not then maybe the club should STOP MAKING STUPID FUCKING BUSINESS DECISIONS
I love how all the promoters pull the "this is a business you just don't understand" card whenever a band calls bullshit on pay to play. Well if you're going to run it as a business, you book the fucking bands who draw enough to make a PROFIT. I know plenty of people who run businesses and all of them share one thing in common, they won't take on a job if they don't stand to make a profit. Does my fucking mechanic do work on exotic cars on the cheap because Ferrari's are a big draw and then gouge me on my fucking Subaru? Does my uncle lower his costs for some rich bastard who wants his house painted because the house is on the town's list of historic sites and therefore more prestigious? Absolutely not, because anyone who runs an actual business (not playing around with the strip club or Lyons Group's cash and acting important) knows that sound business decisions are what keep them afloat.
[Jul 26,2007 5:42pm - Hcp Fan ""]
For all you haters ONE IN VAIN just nominated for Best Rock act in New England : Masscann, WBCN, & High Times Magazine.......
[Jul 26,2007 5:51pm - slow ""]
Hcp Fan said:For all you haters ONE IN VAIN just nominated for Best Rock act in New England : Masscann, WBCN, & High Times Magazine.......
Oh snap, you've got documentation that they don't suck! You win!!!!
:middlefinger:
[Jul 26,2007 5:55pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
Hcp Fan said:For all you haters ONE IN VAIN just nominated for Best Rock act in New England : Masscann, WBCN, & High Times Magazine.......
= teh suck
[Jul 26,2007 5:56pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:If the national act can't draw maybe it's the club's lack of promotion and that band's lack of a fanbase.
Shouldn't a "big national act" like Nile be able to draw enough people to cover their costs and make the club a profit?
If not then maybe the club should STOP MAKING STUPID FUCKING BUSINESS DECISIONS
I love how all the promoters pull the "this is a business you just don't understand" card whenever a band calls bullshit on pay to play. Well if you're going to run it as a business, you book the fucking bands who draw enough to make a PROFIT. I know plenty of people who run businesses and all of them share one thing in common, they won't take on a job if they don't stand to make a profit. Does my fucking mechanic do work on exotic cars on the cheap because Ferrari's are a big draw and then gouge me on my fucking Subaru? Does my uncle lower his costs for some rich bastard who wants his house painted because the house is on the town's list of historic sites and therefore more prestigious? Absolutely not, because anyone who runs an actual business (not playing around with the strip club or Lyons Group's cash and acting important) knows that sound business decisions are what keep them afloat.
That's a pretty fucking concise take on the situation. +1
[Jul 26,2007 5:57pm - archaeon ""]
Hcp Fan said:For all you haters ONE IN VAIN just nominated for Best Rock act in New England : Masscann, WBCN, & High Times Magazine.......
that must make them good! who are the other crushing acts nominated?
[Jul 26,2007 6:04pm - timjohn ""]
ROFLMAO
[Jul 26,2007 7:17pm - pam in quincy ""]
Sinistas said:If you've played at Mark's before, then why did you expect something different? They make you buy tickets upfront, and he said as such in the first message. There was no need to flame him and threaten a boycott when he did nothing to provoke it.
I don't agree with the way things are done at Mark's, but there are too many high-profile shows for any boycott to work. Especially when this is how you go about starting it.
Exactly. Dude, you know how Mark's works. Either work with them or don't.
[Jul 26,2007 9:08pm - sxealex ""]
boycott shows no... bands should boycott pay to play as LAZ just did.
[Jul 26,2007 10:19pm - Joe of Nec &OIV ""]
mike at zero said:In regards to a suffocation show, Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:
I will be heading uo tp the office soon and will check if there is still any openings for that bill. You might have to play a different show first to see how your band works out for us. All shows are ticketed events and bands are required to pre sell tickets. National acts require 50-75 tickets to play. Are you able to do this?
Life at Zero:We've palyed mark's with Suffocation, kryptopsy, goatwhore, we belong on this bill. ask Bernie.
Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:You guys are added to the November 17th Suffocation show. You can do one of 2 things. Either 50 tickets to play or 75 and New England Concerts will give you 25 free for you to sell and make $500. Let me know what you are able to do. Also is there any way you could hop on the July 28th Till we Die & One In Vain show this Saturday and have 20-30 people show up with out selling tickets? Please send me a contact number.
Thanks-- Joe
Life at zero:Well my band said no to either show, and i have to agree. The whole, us selling 50 tickets for pay to play is rediculous. What is the point of a promoter that doesn't lift a finger but gets paid regardless. How bout you pay the local bands regardless, you sell the tickets, and stop bleeding the local bands dry to fill your pockets. I found out or last show was supposed to be with Fuck the facts and you guys offered them more money to steel money from local bands. looks like we are starting a boycott of the rock club, and we will bring others with us./ Remeber the bombshelter, we helped shut them down we can do the same to you. Besides, shows aren't fun with TNT nazi security there
Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:Wow - if you guys had a clue on how it works you would be red faced with stupidity. Good luck playing in front of 20 people for ever. Thanks for your kind words and good luck getting booked at any major venue
Life at zero:Sweet joe, i posted this on Rttp, Goodluck now fuckface. We have more respect in the local seen then you assraping retards. And we don't need your approval to play anywhere in new england. 20 people huh, when did you guys turn into the biggest promoters in the universe fuckstick? You actually believe that you control the local seen? I'll post this for all the local bands you use to read, and see where you have support. I'm sure you can always use Black out Frenzy and C.S.D.O to play all your shows. So are you actually the guy who sucks the "national" act's dicks to get them to play that shit hole? I hope you all rot on a blazing altar of syphilis!
You know- I wasn't gonna sink down to this whiney bitches level, but going against my best judgement I would like to say a few things to Mike Zero. People who have half a brain can see you are an ignorant ass. Before you dis on some one you have no clue about try asking a few questions instead of lashing out like a high school kid who just had his girl taken from him. So hear is an explaination about who I am and how you interpreted what I wrote all fucking wrong.First off for you to say that I am filling my pockets with money from shows is a total lie. I always put %100 into every band that I work with cause I have been on the other end of the band promoter relationship for over 13 years now. I grew up in with nothing my father past away when I was 5 and my mom struggled every day just to get us by. I started playing trumpet when I was 5 and all through my school career learned how to play all types of instruments. My whole life has been dedicated to music. When I got old enough to work I started a band with some friends. By my freshman year I was going to school, working a part time job ( just to have some decent clothes) , and playing 2 or more shows a week. I always stayed in the back ground when it came to the business side of things. We played hundreds of small shows anywhere we could but never made it real far and eventualy broke up. Me and my friends started the band up a few more times and always it was the same deal. Finaly we gave up. I never finished high school but then went to get my GED it wasn't that I was dumb but just didn't want to be at school when I could be out and feel free. I went back to school to be a medic and past. At this time I wasn't in a band or doing anything with music. I thought about it every day and night. I ended up getting bored with my job and quit to try something different. I just wanted to do something that I liked and didn't mind going to every day but couldn't find it. I have always worked for every thing I have and never have gotten any hand outs. I wanted to do better at life So I put myself through college and got a few degrees in business/sales and marketing and then public relations. Over a year ago or so I started up my band again but this time took all control over where we played and all other business related issues. We started out by playing a few local clubs with our first being the compound in Fitchburg mass. (That wonderful pic you see above) It was the same shit as before -- you show up and no one has a clue when you are supposed to go on bands are switching spots and every one is arguing. We play in front of the other bands and if we are lucky we have a good night with a hundred or so people. It sucked ass we wanted more structure and a better promoted show. I started setting up my own shows at clubs that would pay $300 a night to be split amongst all the bands. It still felt like we weren't realy getting our music out to anybody. My business started to grow and before I knew it I was booking shows that my band wasn't even playing at. I am not some sort of big shot and never was. I was trying to book a show In souhthern mass at the rocks rock club and I asked this band if they would play. They responded with a no cause they were playing with powerman that week. Then they must have told Bernie about my band and what I was doing cause he asked us to play a show at Marks for Till We Die's dvd recording party. We were asked to pre sell 75 tickets. It was tough but we did it. When we played that night I swear to god on my fathers grave there was 500 plus squished in the club with only ass to belly room. It was a rush playing a show of that size and hearing the crowd chant your name. I felt like we made it to the next level. Every show was profesional with a great staff, sound guy, and sound equipment.Yes bernie had us sell tickets to many events after that eventually once he knew we had built up a large fan base he started adding us to bills with no ticket sales. A few times we did have to dip in our pockets to cover a few tickets every now and then, but thats cause we were playing 4 shows a week. I never realy questioned the money thing because he was investing so much time and money into our band. When we needed shirts to sell he bought us 100 of them. He constantly spen $2,000 or more on radio adds to help get us noticed. He has always been a respectfull and helpfull person to our group. He even helped us get distribution at major stores. But we never acted like pompus ass holes. I missed booking shows And one day the opportunity came up to book at marks. The show went real well and all the bands were happy. So I continued to book shows under 13 Beats Entertainment. Eventually I was asked to become partners with New England Concerts. Mike-- You can ask any band who has worked with me how many bands I have kcked off a show for not selling what they said they could. The answer will be none. I treat every band with respect and explain how we work, why we do it this way and what we can offer in the future after we see how the band works as a whole. Don't discredit me cause you were PMS ing one afternoon. To get back to your remark about filling my pockets -- I make about $200 per show that I set up from the beginig. Some of theese shows take a month to book cause I actually put time and care into the events that I book so the bands cn get the most exposure they can from my events. I realized quickly how much a show of that calibur costs to run. Honestly in my eyes if you can't pull in 30 people to my show I don't really want to book you anyways. About your past problems with NEC I can almost bet it was do to your attitude and lack of intelligence. If a The only time we will pay a larger band more to play is if it truly benefits the whole show-- meaning they will draw a large crowd ( which takes the strain off of the local bands and there ticket sales. Almost every day I book national acts with local who only need to pre sell 25 tickets to play. The bands are aware that time slots are based on ticet sales. The band who works the hardest gets the best spots it is fair. All that aside -- I still book 2 shows a month at Marks with no ticket sales. Theese shows high lite local acts only and the ocasional band passing through. The bottom line is you asked me to play the show and when I expained what was required you lashed out like a fag that hasn't got his dick fix for the day. By me saying good luck playing in front of 20 peole for ever was rude of me , but uncomparable to your malicious remarks against me and my passion. And if you took me saying good luck at getting shows at any larger clubs as me black balling you and thinking I have all controll over the whole scene then you are even dummer than I first thought. It was a reference to your attitude. Dude lay off of the roids. If you don't like how we do things than thats fine. You have a right to your beliefs. But don't smear my name cause you didn't get your way. To Be honest I think your band sucks big harry nuts and I was trying to be nice ny trying you out first before adding you to a better bill. You never know how a band is on stage until you see them and since the only show you had booked was in December of this year I felt i need to see you play one time before commiting your band to a bigger show. The bottom line is your an ass. I was trying to be nice by brushing your remarks off and telling you to have good luck with what ever path you take and you pulled this childish Bullshit. Fuck you and I can't wait to see you play this winter. I will make sure to blow you a kiss from the front row (the only row). Mike don't hate me cause I am doing what I love to do. Feel free to ask any other band how there relationship has been with NEC and working with me. If you don't want to work then stop your bitching.
[Jul 26,2007 10:33pm - Joe of Nec &OIV ""]
The only truth to any thing you said was " TNT are Nazi's" I think so too but there are some huge business related reasons to use them for events that I wouldn't expect someone of your class to understand so please just put this in the past or continue your little boycott it realy does'nt effect me in any way. People can view this how ever they want. It will not effect me one bit. If they stop comming to one club I will book more in Boston or Worcester. I never had any bad intents and never shit on any band I have worked with. I plan on doing this for a long time and if the day comes that I hit the lottory and can afford to throw a big ass show free to all you will be thew first band I invite.
[Jul 26,2007 10:35pm - Joe of Nec &OIV ""]
PS - your still fucking gay
[Jul 26,2007 11:05pm - archaeon ""]
Joe of Nec said:
you are even dummer than I first thought.
hahaha! instant fail
The story pretty much goes like this, you booked a bunch of bands that had retarded friends who came to the shitty shows. Then you sold 75 tickets to your own retarded music friends and overweight girlfriends and played a show in front of more pathetic fans. Now you get to play on shows where all the other bands sell ridiculous amount of tickets to shows with shitty lineups! w00t now you get to book all big tours and get RETARDED openers (no offense to any rttp band thats played there/will play there). Bernie does radio ads, great. Who the fuck listens to the radio anyways, a bunch of faggots that know nothing about music. Great idea! Please fuck off and stop ruining the music scene, it's alright fucked enough.
[Jul 26,2007 11:06pm - Joe of Nec &OIV ""]
And to large freak at zero -- Yes I know my spelling sucks.
[Jul 26,2007 11:08pm - DEATH2ALL ""]
I just read this entire thread & now my head hurts.
[Jul 26,2007 11:13pm - Joe of Nec &OIV ""]
archaeon said:Joe of Nec said:
you are even dummer than I first thought.
hahaha! instant fail
The story pretty much goes like this, you booked a bunch of bands that had retarded friends who came to the shitty shows. Then you sold 75 tickets to your own retarded music friends and overweight girlfriends and played a show in front of more pathetic fans. Now you get to play on shows where all the other bands sell ridiculous amount of tickets to shows with shitty lineups! w00t now you get to book all big tours and get RETARDED openers (no offense to any rttp band thats played there/will play there). Bernie does radio ads, great. Who the fuck listens to the radio anyways, a bunch of faggots that know nothing about music. Great idea! Please fuck off and stop ruining the music scene, it's alright fucked enough.
Dude do us all a favore and shoot yourself you bitter fuck. I don't know about you but I enjoy playing the Ball room,avalon, and places alike. All I'm saying is that it has worked for me so far and at the very least has been a good resume builder and a stepping stone to bigger things. You must be mikes but buddy or fluffer are you 2 in the same band?
[Jul 26,2007 11:14pm - Dwellingsickness ""]
Joe, Your professionalism in your response to Mike astounds me. You are the one that is coming off as a complete ass.
[Jul 26,2007 11:16pm - slow ""]
That Joe moron could've at least had the courtesy to start new paragraphs every once in a while. Jesus.
Pay to play is undeniably a means of hurting bands and then determining the lineup based on those sales is stomach wrenching.
[Jul 26,2007 11:18pm - Joe of Nec &OIV ""]
Dwellingsickness said:Joe, Your professionalism in your response to Mike astounds me. You are the one that is coming off as a complete ass.
Your totaly right-- But at this point I feel I have the right to after having all theese false accusations of my personal charactor. I did nothing to provoke this but tellhim what was required to play a show. I could have been more profesional but I'd rather tell it how it is. He could have just said no thanks and moved on.
[Jul 26,2007 11:23pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
Joe of Nec said:Dwellingsickness said:Joe, Your professionalism in your response to Mike astounds me. You are the one that is coming off as a complete ass.
Your totaly right-- But at this point I feel I have the right to after having all theese false accusations of my personal charactor. I did nothing to provoke this but tellhim what was required to play a show. I could have been more profesional but I'd rather tell it how it is. He could have just said no thanks and moved on.
"you're"
oh and..
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[Jul 26,2007 11:26pm - Joe of Nec &OIV ""]
I'm not bitching just telling my side. It's life and I am gonna have to deal with dicks like this for ever. It make life more interesting.
[Jul 26,2007 11:28pm - archaeon ""]
Joe of Nec said:
Dude do us all a favore and shoot yourself you bitter fuck. I don't know about you but I enjoy playing the Ball room,avalon, and places alike. All I'm saying is that it has worked for me so far and at the very least has been a good resume builder and a stepping stone to bigger things. You must be mikes but buddy or fluffer are you 2 in the same band?
No, I've never met the guy.
I wouldn't be bitter about your actions towards the scene when you're playing at the avalon or whatever club. It's when NEC books GOOD tours and puts bands that have no business being on the bill on it. There's no integrity within NEC, you guys take the easy way out. You clearly don't care about the scene by your lack of basic knowledge of what openers would and wouldn't fit on a show. You're booking a show for Suffocation and Immolation and I bet you can't name 5 brutal death metal bands from the new england area. Here's one of the openers for that show.
http://www.myspace.com/ntnd
Great choice!
[Jul 26,2007 11:31pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
oh! SNAP
[Jul 26,2007 11:33pm - archaeon ""]
"Orignality is very important to us. We try to create music that is truley unique and really getts peoples attention. Call us what ever you want... screamo, metal, rock, as long as you like the music..."
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
[Jul 26,2007 11:34pm - slow ""]
archaeon said:Here's one of the openers for that show.
http://www.myspace.com/ntnd
Great choice!
Holy shit, that shit band is opening for fucking Suffocation?
[Jul 26,2007 11:37pm - adamtimenli ""]
not having read all this because i don't have the time for it, i understand the complaints from the first 30 or so posts, but have no sympathy or advice. i've been in pay to play situations, and let's face it, you can only resort to selling to friends and acquaintances when you don't have too much time, the right location, or much exposure for your band. then again, if every band does their job when a 40-50 ticket requirement is laid, it's not just beneficial to the venue, but depending on the bill, the band gets that many more people to listen to your music who can enjoy it. you just have to hope all the friends of the other bands brought an excess of bar money to spend on your merch so you can break even or come out with some cash.
as pete was saying, most of the time, a band puts in effort and cash before they even think about making money at a show. it's nice, yeah, but you can't expect it. right now we drop about 70-80 bucks per performance just to rent a vehicle to get to a show because none of us have anything big enough to bring equipment. you either love what you do, and it's enough to be worth it, or you give up and stop playing local metal. if you bitch and don't play, the venue won't give a shit, there'll be someone else there to sell tickets and make money for them. if you really bust your ass and sell more tickets that you're required to, you can make a lot of cash. you just have to ask yourself how much exposure you want, and if it's worth your time and money. if it's not, don't play, and don't bitch.
[Jul 26,2007 11:38pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
You should book Immortal and then have this way cool band Asystole as your opener. They just played their farewell tour but I'm sure they would reunite for that.
... :HAHAHA:
[Jul 26,2007 11:40pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
Joe of Nec said:You know- I wasn't gonna sink down to this whiney bitches level, but going against my best judgement I would like to say a few things to Mike Zero. People who have half a brain can see you are an ignorant ass. Before you dis on some one you have no clue about try asking a few questions instead of lashing out like a high school kid who just had his girl taken from him. So hear is an explaination about who I am and how you interpreted what I wrote all fucking wrong.First off for you to say that I am filling my pockets with money from shows is a total lie. I always put %100 into every band that I work with cause I have been on the other end of the band promoter relationship for over 13 years now. I grew up in with nothing my father past away when I was 5 and my mom struggled every day just to get us by. I started playing trumpet when I was 5 and all through my school career learned how to play all types of instruments. My whole life has been dedicated to music. When I got old enough to work I started a band with some friends. By my freshman year I was going to school, working a part time job ( just to have some decent clothes) , and playing 2 or more shows a week. I always stayed in the back ground when it came to the business side of things. We played hundreds of small shows anywhere we could but never made it real far and eventualy broke up. Me and my friends started the band up a few more times and always it was the same deal. Finaly we gave up. I never finished high school but then went to get my GED it wasn't that I was dumb but just didn't want to be at school when I could be out and feel free. I went back to school to be a medic and past. At this time I wasn't in a band or doing anything with music. I thought about it every day and night. I ended up getting bored with my job and quit to try something different. I just wanted to do something that I liked and didn't mind going to every day but couldn't find it. I have always worked for every thing I have and never have gotten any hand outs. I wanted to do better at life So I put myself through college and got a few degrees in business/sales and marketing and then public relations. Over a year ago or so I started up my band again but this time took all control over where we played and all other business related issues. We started out by playing a few local clubs with our first being the compound in Fitchburg mass. (That wonderful pic you see above) It was the same shit as before -- you show up and no one has a clue when you are supposed to go on bands are switching spots and every one is arguing. We play in front of the other bands and if we are lucky we have a good night with a hundred or so people. It sucked ass we wanted more structure and a better promoted show. I started setting up my own shows at clubs that would pay $300 a night to be split amongst all the bands. It still felt like we weren't realy getting our music out to anybody. My business started to grow and before I knew it I was booking shows that my band wasn't even playing at. I am not some sort of big shot and never was. I was trying to book a show In souhthern mass at the rocks rock club and I asked this band if they would play. They responded with a no cause they were playing with powerman that week. Then they must have told Bernie about my band and what I was doing cause he asked us to play a show at Marks for Till We Die's dvd recording party. We were asked to pre sell 75 tickets. It was tough but we did it. When we played that night I swear to god on my fathers grave there was 500 plus squished in the club with only ass to belly room. It was a rush playing a show of that size and hearing the crowd chant your name. I felt like we made it to the next level. Every show was profesional with a great staff, sound guy, and sound equipment.Yes bernie had us sell tickets to many events after that eventually once he knew we had built up a large fan base he started adding us to bills with no ticket sales. A few times we did have to dip in our pockets to cover a few tickets every now and then, but thats cause we were playing 4 shows a week. I never realy questioned the money thing because he was investing so much time and money into our band. When we needed shirts to sell he bought us 100 of them. He constantly spen $2,000 or more on radio adds to help get us noticed. He has always been a respectfull and helpfull person to our group. He even helped us get distribution at major stores. But we never acted like pompus ass holes. I missed booking shows And one day the opportunity came up to book at marks. The show went real well and all the bands were happy. So I continued to book shows under 13 Beats Entertainment. Eventually I was asked to become partners with New England Concerts. Mike-- You can ask any band who has worked with me how many bands I have kcked off a show for not selling what they said they could. The answer will be none. I treat every band with respect and explain how we work, why we do it this way and what we can offer in the future after we see how the band works as a whole. Don't discredit me cause you were PMS ing one afternoon. To get back to your remark about filling my pockets -- I make about $200 per show that I set up from the beginig. Some of theese shows take a month to book cause I actually put time and care into the events that I book so the bands cn get the most exposure they can from my events. I realized quickly how much a show of that calibur costs to run. Honestly in my eyes if you can't pull in 30 people to my show I don't really want to book you anyways. About your past problems with NEC I can almost bet it was do to your attitude and lack of intelligence. If a The only time we will pay a larger band more to play is if it truly benefits the whole show-- meaning they will draw a large crowd ( which takes the strain off of the local bands and there ticket sales. Almost every day I book national acts with local who only need to pre sell 25 tickets to play. The bands are aware that time slots are based on ticet sales. The band who works the hardest gets the best spots it is fair. All that aside -- I still book 2 shows a month at Marks with no ticket sales. Theese shows high lite local acts only and the ocasional band passing through. The bottom line is you asked me to play the show and when I expained what was required you lashed out like a fag that hasn't got his dick fix for the day. By me saying good luck playing in front of 20 peole for ever was rude of me , but uncomparable to your malicious remarks against me and my passion. And if you took me saying good luck at getting shows at any larger clubs as me black balling you and thinking I have all controll over the whole scene then you are even dummer than I first thought. It was a reference to your attitude. Dude lay off of the roids. If you don't like how we do things than thats fine. You have a right to your beliefs. But don't smear my name cause you didn't get your way. To Be honest I think your band sucks big harry nuts and I was trying to be nice ny trying you out first before adding you to a better bill. You never know how a band is on stage until you see them and since the only show you had booked was in December of this year I felt i need to see you play one time before commiting your band to a bigger show. The bottom line is your an ass. I was trying to be nice by brushing your remarks off and telling you to have good luck with what ever path you take and you pulled this childish Bullshit. Fuck you and I can't wait to see you play this winter. I will make sure to blow you a kiss from the front row (the only row). Mike don't hate me cause I am doing what I love to do. Feel free to ask any other band how there relationship has been with NEC and working with me. If you don't want to work then stop your bitching.
tl; dr
[Jul 26,2007 11:42pm - DaveFromTheGrave ""]
FuckIsMySignature said:Joe of Nec said:Dwellingsickness said:Joe, Your professionalism in your response to Mike astounds me. You are the one that is coming off as a complete ass.
Your totaly right-- But at this point I feel I have the right to after having all theese false accusations of my personal charactor. I did nothing to provoke this but tellhim what was required to play a show. I could have been more profesional but I'd rather tell it how it is. He could have just said no thanks and moved on.
"you're"
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go fuck you'reself
[Jul 26,2007 11:43pm - adamtimenli ""]
asystole is sick.
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[Jul 26,2007 11:45pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
who the fuck is that dude
[Jul 26,2007 11:46pm - adamtimenli ""]
he thinks asystole sucks. ha......... aw.
[Jul 26,2007 11:47pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
i bet he thinks his vision sucks more
[Jul 26,2007 11:53pm - DaveFromTheGrave ""]
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[Jul 26,2007 11:53pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
i bet she's tight as fuck :HUMP:
[Jul 26,2007 11:55pm - DaveFromTheGrave ""]
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[Jul 26,2007 11:58pm - adamtimenli ""]
nice ankles.
[Jul 26,2007 11:59pm - DaveFromTheGrave ""]
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[Jul 27,2007 12:00am - adamtimenli ""]
hahahahaha....
ouch. thats all i can think to say.
[Jul 27,2007 12:05am - DaveFromTheGrave ""]
i bet she could squeeze your dick right off.
[Jul 27,2007 12:15am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
Those tits are gonna pop right off her chest, some day.
I wonder if she could sell 50 tickets so we could book her at Mark's.
[Jul 27,2007 12:17am - DaveFromTheGrave ""]
I'd buy a ticket to see a bitch pop her own tits off.
[Jul 27,2007 1:24am - Cav ""]
DaveFromTheGrave said:I'd buy a ticket to see a bitch pop her own tits off.
HAHAHAHA
[Jul 27,2007 5:57am - Colonel Clusterfuck ""]
This thread gave me bad diarrhea.
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[Jul 27,2007 7:52am - SteveOTB ""]
Joe of Nec said:mike at zero said:In regards to a suffocation show, Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:
I will be heading uo tp the office soon and will check if there is still any openings for that bill. You might have to play a different show first to see how your band works out for us. All shows are ticketed events and bands are required to pre sell tickets. National acts require 50-75 tickets to play. Are you able to do this?
Life at Zero:We've palyed mark's with Suffocation, kryptopsy, goatwhore, we belong on this bill. ask Bernie.
Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:You guys are added to the November 17th Suffocation show. You can do one of 2 things. Either 50 tickets to play or 75 and New England Concerts will give you 25 free for you to sell and make $500. Let me know what you are able to do. Also is there any way you could hop on the July 28th Till we Die & One In Vain show this Saturday and have 20-30 people show up with out selling tickets? Please send me a contact number.
Thanks-- Joe
Life at zero:Well my band said no to either show, and i have to agree. The whole, us selling 50 tickets for pay to play is rediculous. What is the point of a promoter that doesn't lift a finger but gets paid regardless. How bout you pay the local bands regardless, you sell the tickets, and stop bleeding the local bands dry to fill your pockets. I found out or last show was supposed to be with Fuck the facts and you guys offered them more money to steel money from local bands. looks like we are starting a boycott of the rock club, and we will bring others with us./ Remeber the bombshelter, we helped shut them down we can do the same to you. Besides, shows aren't fun with TNT nazi security there
Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:Wow - if you guys had a clue on how it works you would be red faced with stupidity. Good luck playing in front of 20 people for ever. Thanks for your kind words and good luck getting booked at any major venue
Life at zero:Sweet joe, i posted this on Rttp, Goodluck now fuckface. We have more respect in the local seen then you assraping retards. And we don't need your approval to play anywhere in new england. 20 people huh, when did you guys turn into the biggest promoters in the universe fuckstick? You actually believe that you control the local seen? I'll post this for all the local bands you use to read, and see where you have support. I'm sure you can always use Black out Frenzy and C.S.D.O to play all your shows. So are you actually the guy who sucks the "national" act's dicks to get them to play that shit hole? I hope you all rot on a blazing altar of syphilis!
You know- I wasn't gonna sink down to this whiney bitches level, but going against my best judgement I would like to say a few things to Mike Zero. People who have half a brain can see you are an ignorant ass. Before you dis on some one you have no clue about try asking a few questions instead of lashing out like a high school kid who just had his girl taken from him. So hear is an explaination about who I am and how you interpreted what I wrote all fucking wrong.First off for you to say that I am filling my pockets with money from shows is a total lie. I always put %100 into every band that I work with cause I have been on the other end of the band promoter relationship for over 13 years now. I grew up in with nothing my father past away when I was 5 and my mom struggled every day just to get us by. I started playing trumpet when I was 5 and all through my school career learned how to play all types of instruments. My whole life has been dedicated to music. When I got old enough to work I started a band with some friends. By my freshman year I was going to school, working a part time job ( just to have some decent clothes) , and playing 2 or more shows a week. I always stayed in the back ground when it came to the business side of things. We played hundreds of small shows anywhere we could but never made it real far and eventualy broke up. Me and my friends started the band up a few more times and always it was the same deal. Finaly we gave up. I never finished high school but then went to get my GED it wasn't that I was dumb but just didn't want to be at school when I could be out and feel free. I went back to school to be a medic and past. At this time I wasn't in a band or doing anything with music. I thought about it every day and night. I ended up getting bored with my job and quit to try something different. I just wanted to do something that I liked and didn't mind going to every day but couldn't find it. I have always worked for every thing I have and never have gotten any hand outs. I wanted to do better at life So I put myself through college and got a few degrees in business/sales and marketing and then public relations. Over a year ago or so I started up my band again but this time took all control over where we played and all other business related issues. We started out by playing a few local clubs with our first being the compound in Fitchburg mass. (That wonderful pic you see above) It was the same shit as before -- you show up and no one has a clue when you are supposed to go on bands are switching spots and every one is arguing. We play in front of the other bands and if we are lucky we have a good night with a hundred or so people. It sucked ass we wanted more structure and a better promoted show. I started setting up my own shows at clubs that would pay $300 a night to be split amongst all the bands. It still felt like we weren't realy getting our music out to anybody. My business started to grow and before I knew it I was booking shows that my band wasn't even playing at. I am not some sort of big shot and never was. I was trying to book a show In souhthern mass at the rocks rock club and I asked this band if they would play. They responded with a no cause they were playing with powerman that week. Then they must have told Bernie about my band and what I was doing cause he asked us to play a show at Marks for Till We Die's dvd recording party. We were asked to pre sell 75 tickets. It was tough but we did it. When we played that night I swear to god on my fathers grave there was 500 plus squished in the club with only ass to belly room. It was a rush playing a show of that size and hearing the crowd chant your name. I felt like we made it to the next level. Every show was profesional with a great staff, sound guy, and sound equipment.Yes bernie had us sell tickets to many events after that eventually once he knew we had built up a large fan base he started adding us to bills with no ticket sales. A few times we did have to dip in our pockets to cover a few tickets every now and then, but thats cause we were playing 4 shows a week. I never realy questioned the money thing because he was investing so much time and money into our band. When we needed shirts to sell he bought us 100 of them. He constantly spen $2,000 or more on radio adds to help get us noticed. He has always been a respectfull and helpfull person to our group. He even helped us get distribution at major stores. But we never acted like pompus ass holes. I missed booking shows And one day the opportunity came up to book at marks. The show went real well and all the bands were happy. So I continued to book shows under 13 Beats Entertainment. Eventually I was asked to become partners with New England Concerts. Mike-- You can ask any band who has worked with me how many bands I have kcked off a show for not selling what they said they could. The answer will be none. I treat every band with respect and explain how we work, why we do it this way and what we can offer in the future after we see how the band works as a whole. Don't discredit me cause you were PMS ing one afternoon. To get back to your remark about filling my pockets -- I make about $200 per show that I set up from the beginig. Some of theese shows take a month to book cause I actually put time and care into the events that I book so the bands cn get the most exposure they can from my events. I realized quickly how much a show of that calibur costs to run. Honestly in my eyes if you can't pull in 30 people to my show I don't really want to book you anyways. About your past problems with NEC I can almost bet it was do to your attitude and lack of intelligence. If a The only time we will pay a larger band more to play is if it truly benefits the whole show-- meaning they will draw a large crowd ( which takes the strain off of the local bands and there ticket sales. Almost every day I book national acts with local who only need to pre sell 25 tickets to play. The bands are aware that time slots are based on ticet sales. The band who works the hardest gets the best spots it is fair. All that aside -- I still book 2 shows a month at Marks with no ticket sales. Theese shows high lite local acts only and the ocasional band passing through. The bottom line is you asked me to play the show and when I expained what was required you lashed out like a fag that hasn't got his dick fix for the day. By me saying good luck playing in front of 20 peole for ever was rude of me , but uncomparable to your malicious remarks against me and my passion. And if you took me saying good luck at getting shows at any larger clubs as me black balling you and thinking I have all controll over the whole scene then you are even dummer than I first thought. It was a reference to your attitude. Dude lay off of the roids. If you don't like how we do things than thats fine. You have a right to your beliefs. But don't smear my name cause you didn't get your way. To Be honest I think your band sucks big harry nuts and I was trying to be nice ny trying you out first before adding you to a better bill. You never know how a band is on stage until you see them and since the only show you had booked was in December of this year I felt i need to see you play one time before commiting your band to a bigger show. The bottom line is your an ass. I was trying to be nice by brushing your remarks off and telling you to have good luck with what ever path you take and you pulled this childish Bullshit. Fuck you and I can't wait to see you play this winter. I will make sure to blow you a kiss from the front row (the only row). Mike don't hate me cause I am doing what I love to do. Feel free to ask any other band how there relationship has been with NEC and working with me. If you don't want to work then stop your bitching.
Owww my eyes.
[Jul 27,2007 9:09am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
SteveOTB said:Joe of Nec said:mike at zero said:In regards to a suffocation show, Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:
I will be heading uo tp the office soon and will check if there is still any openings for that bill. You might have to play a different show first to see how your band works out for us. All shows are ticketed events and bands are required to pre sell tickets. National acts require 50-75 tickets to play. Are you able to do this?
Life at Zero:We've palyed mark's with Suffocation, kryptopsy, goatwhore, we belong on this bill. ask Bernie.
Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:You guys are added to the November 17th Suffocation show. You can do one of 2 things. Either 50 tickets to play or 75 and New England Concerts will give you 25 free for you to sell and make $500. Let me know what you are able to do. Also is there any way you could hop on the July 28th Till we Die & One In Vain show this Saturday and have 20-30 people show up with out selling tickets? Please send me a contact number.
Thanks-- Joe
Life at zero:Well my band said no to either show, and i have to agree. The whole, us selling 50 tickets for pay to play is rediculous. What is the point of a promoter that doesn't lift a finger but gets paid regardless. How bout you pay the local bands regardless, you sell the tickets, and stop bleeding the local bands dry to fill your pockets. I found out or last show was supposed to be with Fuck the facts and you guys offered them more money to steel money from local bands. looks like we are starting a boycott of the rock club, and we will bring others with us./ Remeber the bombshelter, we helped shut them down we can do the same to you. Besides, shows aren't fun with TNT nazi security there
Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:Wow - if you guys had a clue on how it works you would be red faced with stupidity. Good luck playing in front of 20 people for ever. Thanks for your kind words and good luck getting booked at any major venue
Life at zero:Sweet joe, i posted this on Rttp, Goodluck now fuckface. We have more respect in the local seen then you assraping retards. And we don't need your approval to play anywhere in new england. 20 people huh, when did you guys turn into the biggest promoters in the universe fuckstick? You actually believe that you control the local seen? I'll post this for all the local bands you use to read, and see where you have support. I'm sure you can always use Black out Frenzy and C.S.D.O to play all your shows. So are you actually the guy who sucks the "national" act's dicks to get them to play that shit hole? I hope you all rot on a blazing altar of syphilis!
You know- I wasn't gonna sink down to this whiney bitches level, but going against my best judgement I would like to say a few things to Mike Zero. People who have half a brain can see you are an ignorant ass. Before you dis on some one you have no clue about try asking a few questions instead of lashing out like a high school kid who just had his girl taken from him. So hear is an explaination about who I am and how you interpreted what I wrote all fucking wrong.First off for you to say that I am filling my pockets with money from shows is a total lie. I always put %100 into every band that I work with cause I have been on the other end of the band promoter relationship for over 13 years now. I grew up in with nothing my father past away when I was 5 and my mom struggled every day just to get us by. I started playing trumpet when I was 5 and all through my school career learned how to play all types of instruments. My whole life has been dedicated to music. When I got old enough to work I started a band with some friends. By my freshman year I was going to school, working a part time job ( just to have some decent clothes) , and playing 2 or more shows a week. I always stayed in the back ground when it came to the business side of things. We played hundreds of small shows anywhere we could but never made it real far and eventualy broke up. Me and my friends started the band up a few more times and always it was the same deal. Finaly we gave up. I never finished high school but then went to get my GED it wasn't that I was dumb but just didn't want to be at school when I could be out and feel free. I went back to school to be a medic and past. At this time I wasn't in a band or doing anything with music. I thought about it every day and night. I ended up getting bored with my job and quit to try something different. I just wanted to do something that I liked and didn't mind going to every day but couldn't find it. I have always worked for every thing I have and never have gotten any hand outs. I wanted to do better at life So I put myself through college and got a few degrees in business/sales and marketing and then public relations. Over a year ago or so I started up my band again but this time took all control over where we played and all other business related issues. We started out by playing a few local clubs with our first being the compound in Fitchburg mass. (That wonderful pic you see above) It was the same shit as before -- you show up and no one has a clue when you are supposed to go on bands are switching spots and every one is arguing. We play in front of the other bands and if we are lucky we have a good night with a hundred or so people. It sucked ass we wanted more structure and a better promoted show. I started setting up my own shows at clubs that would pay $300 a night to be split amongst all the bands. It still felt like we weren't realy getting our music out to anybody. My business started to grow and before I knew it I was booking shows that my band wasn't even playing at. I am not some sort of big shot and never was. I was trying to book a show In souhthern mass at the rocks rock club and I asked this band if they would play. They responded with a no cause they were playing with powerman that week. Then they must have told Bernie about my band and what I was doing cause he asked us to play a show at Marks for Till We Die's dvd recording party. We were asked to pre sell 75 tickets. It was tough but we did it. When we played that night I swear to god on my fathers grave there was 500 plus squished in the club with only ass to belly room. It was a rush playing a show of that size and hearing the crowd chant your name. I felt like we made it to the next level. Every show was profesional with a great staff, sound guy, and sound equipment.Yes bernie had us sell tickets to many events after that eventually once he knew we had built up a large fan base he started adding us to bills with no ticket sales. A few times we did have to dip in our pockets to cover a few tickets every now and then, but thats cause we were playing 4 shows a week. I never realy questioned the money thing because he was investing so much time and money into our band. When we needed shirts to sell he bought us 100 of them. He constantly spen $2,000 or more on radio adds to help get us noticed. He has always been a respectfull and helpfull person to our group. He even helped us get distribution at major stores. But we never acted like pompus ass holes. I missed booking shows And one day the opportunity came up to book at marks. The show went real well and all the bands were happy. So I continued to book shows under 13 Beats Entertainment. Eventually I was asked to become partners with New England Concerts. Mike-- You can ask any band who has worked with me how many bands I have kcked off a show for not selling what they said they could. The answer will be none. I treat every band with respect and explain how we work, why we do it this way and what we can offer in the future after we see how the band works as a whole. Don't discredit me cause you were PMS ing one afternoon. To get back to your remark about filling my pockets -- I make about $200 per show that I set up from the beginig. Some of theese shows take a month to book cause I actually put time and care into the events that I book so the bands cn get the most exposure they can from my events. I realized quickly how much a show of that calibur costs to run. Honestly in my eyes if you can't pull in 30 people to my show I don't really want to book you anyways. About your past problems with NEC I can almost bet it was do to your attitude and lack of intelligence. If a The only time we will pay a larger band more to play is if it truly benefits the whole show-- meaning they will draw a large crowd ( which takes the strain off of the local bands and there ticket sales. Almost every day I book national acts with local who only need to pre sell 25 tickets to play. The bands are aware that time slots are based on ticet sales. The band who works the hardest gets the best spots it is fair. All that aside -- I still book 2 shows a month at Marks with no ticket sales. Theese shows high lite local acts only and the ocasional band passing through. The bottom line is you asked me to play the show and when I expained what was required you lashed out like a fag that hasn't got his dick fix for the day. By me saying good luck playing in front of 20 peole for ever was rude of me , but uncomparable to your malicious remarks against me and my passion. And if you took me saying good luck at getting shows at any larger clubs as me black balling you and thinking I have all controll over the whole scene then you are even dummer than I first thought. It was a reference to your attitude. Dude lay off of the roids. If you don't like how we do things than thats fine. You have a right to your beliefs. But don't smear my name cause you didn't get your way. To Be honest I think your band sucks big harry nuts and I was trying to be nice ny trying you out first before adding you to a better bill. You never know how a band is on stage until you see them and since the only show you had booked was in December of this year I felt i need to see you play one time before commiting your band to a bigger show. The bottom line is your an ass. I was trying to be nice by brushing your remarks off and telling you to have good luck with what ever path you take and you pulled this childish Bullshit. Fuck you and I can't wait to see you play this winter. I will make sure to blow you a kiss from the front row (the only row). Mike don't hate me cause I am doing what I love to do. Feel free to ask any other band how there relationship has been with NEC and working with me. If you don't want to work then stop your bitching.
Owww my eyes.
Okay so I get on the train, I sit in a 3 seater by the window…there are a bunch of other seats open or whatever and this family of 4 comes and 2 of them sit with me and 2 sit next to them in the 2 seater…
Which boggles my mind because they could have easily taken 2 2 seaters and left an open space on the 3 seater with me but no, they had to be jerks….so anyway, this guy gets in and spills his coke all over my pants and shirt….
So I go "what the fuck" not even in a threatening way or anything, just by surprise because my head was facing the other way….
So the guy goes "apologize" and I go "excuse me?" and he goes "apologize for cursing in front of my two kids or I'll get the train conductor to kick you off the train"
And I go "well buddy, maybe if you were paying attention to where you were putting your FUCKING coke, I would have said FUCK in front of your FUCKING children"
At this point the guy is basically in my face and his girl screams "daddy make the stupid boy leave" and I go "yeah, make me leave daddy" and he was like "come on kids, lets get out of here" and as they were walking away the guy tells me to learn some manners.
I see his daughter is holding a harry potter book in her hand I go "tell your daughter that dumbledore dies on page 606" and immediately this like 13 year old girl bursts into tears and soon after her older looking brother did too the dad was speechless and walked away.
[Jul 27,2007 9:10am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
BTW, this is my favorite thread.
[Jul 27,2007 9:20am - largefreakatzero ""]
Joe of Nec said: "Dude lay off of the roids"
Strange. Usually I'm the only one in the band that gets accused of being on steroids.
This thread is pretty funny, but I wish it would go away now.
[Jul 27,2007 9:26am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
largefreakatzero said:This thread is pretty funny, but I wish it would go away now.
7/25 NEVAR 4GET
[Jul 27,2007 11:12am - DEATH2ALL ""]
DestroyYouAlot said:largefreakatzero said:This thread is pretty funny, but I wish it would go away now.
7/25 NEVAR 4GET
Haha... This thread is priceless entertainment.
[Jul 27,2007 12:47pm - goatcatalyst ""]
DestroyYouAlot said:
Okay so I get on the train, I sit in a 3 seater by the window…there are a bunch of other seats open or whatever and this family of 4 comes and 2 of them sit with me and 2 sit next to them in the 2 seater…
Which boggles my mind because they could have easily taken 2 2 seaters and left an open space on the 3 seater with me but no, they had to be jerks….so anyway, this guy gets in and spills his coke all over my pants and shirt….
So I go "what the fuck" not even in a threatening way or anything, just by surprise because my head was facing the other way….
So the guy goes "apologize" and I go "excuse me?" and he goes "apologize for cursing in front of my two kids or I'll get the train conductor to kick you off the train"
And I go "well buddy, maybe if you were paying attention to where you were putting your FUCKING coke, I would have said FUCK in front of your FUCKING children"
At this point the guy is basically in my face and his girl screams "daddy make the stupid boy leave" and I go "yeah, make me leave daddy" and he was like "come on kids, lets get out of here" and as they were walking away the guy tells me to learn some manners.
I see his daughter is holding a harry potter book in her hand I go "tell your daughter that dumbledore dies on page 606" and immediately this like 13 year old girl bursts into tears and soon after her older looking brother did too the dad was speechless and walked away.
oh, i hope this is true!
[Jul 27,2007 12:50pm - sxealex ""]
hahahahaha
[Jul 27,2007 1:29pm - the_reverend ""]
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wall+of+text
[Jul 27,2007 1:45pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
DestroyYouAlot said:SteveOTB said:Joe of Nec said:mike at zero said:In regards to a suffocation show, Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:
I will be heading uo tp the office soon and will check if there is still any openings for that bill. You might have to play a different show first to see how your band works out for us. All shows are ticketed events and bands are required to pre sell tickets. National acts require 50-75 tickets to play. Are you able to do this?
Life at Zero:We've palyed mark's with Suffocation, kryptopsy, goatwhore, we belong on this bill. ask Bernie.
Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:You guys are added to the November 17th Suffocation show. You can do one of 2 things. Either 50 tickets to play or 75 and New England Concerts will give you 25 free for you to sell and make $500. Let me know what you are able to do. Also is there any way you could hop on the July 28th Till we Die & One In Vain show this Saturday and have 20-30 people show up with out selling tickets? Please send me a contact number.
Thanks-- Joe
Life at zero:Well my band said no to either show, and i have to agree. The whole, us selling 50 tickets for pay to play is rediculous. What is the point of a promoter that doesn't lift a finger but gets paid regardless. How bout you pay the local bands regardless, you sell the tickets, and stop bleeding the local bands dry to fill your pockets. I found out or last show was supposed to be with Fuck the facts and you guys offered them more money to steel money from local bands. looks like we are starting a boycott of the rock club, and we will bring others with us./ Remeber the bombshelter, we helped shut them down we can do the same to you. Besides, shows aren't fun with TNT nazi security there
Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:Wow - if you guys had a clue on how it works you would be red faced with stupidity. Good luck playing in front of 20 people for ever. Thanks for your kind words and good luck getting booked at any major venue
Life at zero:Sweet joe, i posted this on Rttp, Goodluck now fuckface. We have more respect in the local seen then you assraping retards. And we don't need your approval to play anywhere in new england. 20 people huh, when did you guys turn into the biggest promoters in the universe fuckstick? You actually believe that you control the local seen? I'll post this for all the local bands you use to read, and see where you have support. I'm sure you can always use Black out Frenzy and C.S.D.O to play all your shows. So are you actually the guy who sucks the "national" act's dicks to get them to play that shit hole? I hope you all rot on a blazing altar of syphilis!
You know- I wasn't gonna sink down to this whiney bitches level, but going against my best judgement I would like to say a few things to Mike Zero. People who have half a brain can see you are an ignorant ass. Before you dis on some one you have no clue about try asking a few questions instead of lashing out like a high school kid who just had his girl taken from him. So hear is an explaination about who I am and how you interpreted what I wrote all fucking wrong.First off for you to say that I am filling my pockets with money from shows is a total lie. I always put %100 into every band that I work with cause I have been on the other end of the band promoter relationship for over 13 years now. I grew up in with nothing my father past away when I was 5 and my mom struggled every day just to get us by. I started playing trumpet when I was 5 and all through my school career learned how to play all types of instruments. My whole life has been dedicated to music. When I got old enough to work I started a band with some friends. By my freshman year I was going to school, working a part time job ( just to have some decent clothes) , and playing 2 or more shows a week. I always stayed in the back ground when it came to the business side of things. We played hundreds of small shows anywhere we could but never made it real far and eventualy broke up. Me and my friends started the band up a few more times and always it was the same deal. Finaly we gave up. I never finished high school but then went to get my GED it wasn't that I was dumb but just didn't want to be at school when I could be out and feel free. I went back to school to be a medic and past. At this time I wasn't in a band or doing anything with music. I thought about it every day and night. I ended up getting bored with my job and quit to try something different. I just wanted to do something that I liked and didn't mind going to every day but couldn't find it. I have always worked for every thing I have and never have gotten any hand outs. I wanted to do better at life So I put myself through college and got a few degrees in business/sales and marketing and then public relations. Over a year ago or so I started up my band again but this time took all control over where we played and all other business related issues. We started out by playing a few local clubs with our first being the compound in Fitchburg mass. (That wonderful pic you see above) It was the same shit as before -- you show up and no one has a clue when you are supposed to go on bands are switching spots and every one is arguing. We play in front of the other bands and if we are lucky we have a good night with a hundred or so people. It sucked ass we wanted more structure and a better promoted show. I started setting up my own shows at clubs that would pay $300 a night to be split amongst all the bands. It still felt like we weren't realy getting our music out to anybody. My business started to grow and before I knew it I was booking shows that my band wasn't even playing at. I am not some sort of big shot and never was. I was trying to book a show In souhthern mass at the rocks rock club and I asked this band if they would play. They responded with a no cause they were playing with powerman that week. Then they must have told Bernie about my band and what I was doing cause he asked us to play a show at Marks for Till We Die's dvd recording party. We were asked to pre sell 75 tickets. It was tough but we did it. When we played that night I swear to god on my fathers grave there was 500 plus squished in the club with only ass to belly room. It was a rush playing a show of that size and hearing the crowd chant your name. I felt like we made it to the next level. Every show was profesional with a great staff, sound guy, and sound equipment.Yes bernie had us sell tickets to many events after that eventually once he knew we had built up a large fan base he started adding us to bills with no ticket sales. A few times we did have to dip in our pockets to cover a few tickets every now and then, but thats cause we were playing 4 shows a week. I never realy questioned the money thing because he was investing so much time and money into our band. When we needed shirts to sell he bought us 100 of them. He constantly spen $2,000 or more on radio adds to help get us noticed. He has always been a respectfull and helpfull person to our group. He even helped us get distribution at major stores. But we never acted like pompus ass holes. I missed booking shows And one day the opportunity came up to book at marks. The show went real well and all the bands were happy. So I continued to book shows under 13 Beats Entertainment. Eventually I was asked to become partners with New England Concerts. Mike-- You can ask any band who has worked with me how many bands I have kcked off a show for not selling what they said they could. The answer will be none. I treat every band with respect and explain how we work, why we do it this way and what we can offer in the future after we see how the band works as a whole. Don't discredit me cause you were PMS ing one afternoon. To get back to your remark about filling my pockets -- I make about $200 per show that I set up from the beginig. Some of theese shows take a month to book cause I actually put time and care into the events that I book so the bands cn get the most exposure they can from my events. I realized quickly how much a show of that calibur costs to run. Honestly in my eyes if you can't pull in 30 people to my show I don't really want to book you anyways. About your past problems with NEC I can almost bet it was do to your attitude and lack of intelligence. If a The only time we will pay a larger band more to play is if it truly benefits the whole show-- meaning they will draw a large crowd ( which takes the strain off of the local bands and there ticket sales. Almost every day I book national acts with local who only need to pre sell 25 tickets to play. The bands are aware that time slots are based on ticet sales. The band who works the hardest gets the best spots it is fair. All that aside -- I still book 2 shows a month at Marks with no ticket sales. Theese shows high lite local acts only and the ocasional band passing through. The bottom line is you asked me to play the show and when I expained what was required you lashed out like a fag that hasn't got his dick fix for the day. By me saying good luck playing in front of 20 peole for ever was rude of me , but uncomparable to your malicious remarks against me and my passion. And if you took me saying good luck at getting shows at any larger clubs as me black balling you and thinking I have all controll over the whole scene then you are even dummer than I first thought. It was a reference to your attitude. Dude lay off of the roids. If you don't like how we do things than thats fine. You have a right to your beliefs. But don't smear my name cause you didn't get your way. To Be honest I think your band sucks big harry nuts and I was trying to be nice ny trying you out first before adding you to a better bill. You never know how a band is on stage until you see them and since the only show you had booked was in December of this year I felt i need to see you play one time before commiting your band to a bigger show. The bottom line is your an ass. I was trying to be nice by brushing your remarks off and telling you to have good luck with what ever path you take and you pulled this childish Bullshit. Fuck you and I can't wait to see you play this winter. I will make sure to blow you a kiss from the front row (the only row). Mike don't hate me cause I am doing what I love to do. Feel free to ask any other band how there relationship has been with NEC and working with me. If you don't want to work then stop your bitching.
Owww my eyes.
Okay so I get on the train, I sit in a 3 seater by the window…there are a bunch of other seats open or whatever and this family of 4 comes and 2 of them sit with me and 2 sit next to them in the 2 seater…
Which boggles my mind because they could have easily taken 2 2 seaters and left an open space on the 3 seater with me but no, they had to be jerks….so anyway, this guy gets in and spills his coke all over my pants and shirt….
So I go "what the fuck" not even in a threatening way or anything, just by surprise because my head was facing the other way….
So the guy goes "apologize" and I go "excuse me?" and he goes "apologize for cursing in front of my two kids or I'll get the train conductor to kick you off the train"
And I go "well buddy, maybe if you were paying attention to where you were putting your FUCKING coke, I would have said FUCK in front of your FUCKING children"
At this point the guy is basically in my face and his girl screams "daddy make the stupid boy leave" and I go "yeah, make me leave daddy" and he was like "come on kids, lets get out of here" and as they were walking away the guy tells me to learn some manners.
I see his daughter is holding a harry potter book in her hand I go "tell your daughter that dumbledore dies on page 606" and immediately this like 13 year old girl bursts into tears and soon after her older looking brother did too the dad was speechless and walked away.
I just spent the last twenty minutes rubbing a twelve year old girl's bare chest.
"How?" you ask. Well apparently there are a select few contexts within which such an action is acceptable. For instance, if your niece has a hacking cough and your sister asks you to "put some of this on her" while she calls the doctor.
"Putting some of this on hear" meant using my bare hands to rub this vapor ointment shit all over her BARE NAKED CHEST. My heartbeat is still all erratic from it. I had a boner the size of manhattan the entire time. She's sleeping now and I guess she feels better because she stopped coughing.
Details: She's about 5 feet tall, has long brown hair, a cute face, a thin waist and long skinny legs. She's in jammies I think because although I'm pretty shaken up right now I know I unbuttoned something before I went at it.
God I feel so great. I just rubbed my hands lal over her FUCKING TITS, you guys. Well the puffy parts of her chest anyway. Her nipples got hard. I just about wept tears of joy.
I didn't do anything else because I'm a coward and rubbing was enough. Plus it was legal and I didn't technically do anything wrong, so I'm in the clear.
I'd write more but I seriously have to go fap while the memory is fresh in my head.
[Jul 27,2007 2:05pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
DestroyYouAlot said:DestroyYouAlot said:SteveOTB said:Joe of Nec said:mike at zero said:In regards to a suffocation show, Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:
I will be heading uo tp the office soon and will check if there is still any openings for that bill. You might have to play a different show first to see how your band works out for us. All shows are ticketed events and bands are required to pre sell tickets. National acts require 50-75 tickets to play. Are you able to do this?
Life at Zero:We've palyed mark's with Suffocation, kryptopsy, goatwhore, we belong on this bill. ask Bernie.
Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:You guys are added to the November 17th Suffocation show. You can do one of 2 things. Either 50 tickets to play or 75 and New England Concerts will give you 25 free for you to sell and make $500. Let me know what you are able to do. Also is there any way you could hop on the July 28th Till we Die & One In Vain show this Saturday and have 20-30 people show up with out selling tickets? Please send me a contact number.
Thanks-- Joe
Life at zero:Well my band said no to either show, and i have to agree. The whole, us selling 50 tickets for pay to play is rediculous. What is the point of a promoter that doesn't lift a finger but gets paid regardless. How bout you pay the local bands regardless, you sell the tickets, and stop bleeding the local bands dry to fill your pockets. I found out or last show was supposed to be with Fuck the facts and you guys offered them more money to steel money from local bands. looks like we are starting a boycott of the rock club, and we will bring others with us./ Remeber the bombshelter, we helped shut them down we can do the same to you. Besides, shows aren't fun with TNT nazi security there
Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:Wow - if you guys had a clue on how it works you would be red faced with stupidity. Good luck playing in front of 20 people for ever. Thanks for your kind words and good luck getting booked at any major venue
Life at zero:Sweet joe, i posted this on Rttp, Goodluck now fuckface. We have more respect in the local seen then you assraping retards. And we don't need your approval to play anywhere in new england. 20 people huh, when did you guys turn into the biggest promoters in the universe fuckstick? You actually believe that you control the local seen? I'll post this for all the local bands you use to read, and see where you have support. I'm sure you can always use Black out Frenzy and C.S.D.O to play all your shows. So are you actually the guy who sucks the "national" act's dicks to get them to play that shit hole? I hope you all rot on a blazing altar of syphilis!
You know- I wasn't gonna sink down to this whiney bitches level, but going against my best judgement I would like to say a few things to Mike Zero. People who have half a brain can see you are an ignorant ass. Before you dis on some one you have no clue about try asking a few questions instead of lashing out like a high school kid who just had his girl taken from him. So hear is an explaination about who I am and how you interpreted what I wrote all fucking wrong.First off for you to say that I am filling my pockets with money from shows is a total lie. I always put %100 into every band that I work with cause I have been on the other end of the band promoter relationship for over 13 years now. I grew up in with nothing my father past away when I was 5 and my mom struggled every day just to get us by. I started playing trumpet when I was 5 and all through my school career learned how to play all types of instruments. My whole life has been dedicated to music. When I got old enough to work I started a band with some friends. By my freshman year I was going to school, working a part time job ( just to have some decent clothes) , and playing 2 or more shows a week. I always stayed in the back ground when it came to the business side of things. We played hundreds of small shows anywhere we could but never made it real far and eventualy broke up. Me and my friends started the band up a few more times and always it was the same deal. Finaly we gave up. I never finished high school but then went to get my GED it wasn't that I was dumb but just didn't want to be at school when I could be out and feel free. I went back to school to be a medic and past. At this time I wasn't in a band or doing anything with music. I thought about it every day and night. I ended up getting bored with my job and quit to try something different. I just wanted to do something that I liked and didn't mind going to every day but couldn't find it. I have always worked for every thing I have and never have gotten any hand outs. I wanted to do better at life So I put myself through college and got a few degrees in business/sales and marketing and then public relations. Over a year ago or so I started up my band again but this time took all control over where we played and all other business related issues. We started out by playing a few local clubs with our first being the compound in Fitchburg mass. (That wonderful pic you see above) It was the same shit as before -- you show up and no one has a clue when you are supposed to go on bands are switching spots and every one is arguing. We play in front of the other bands and if we are lucky we have a good night with a hundred or so people. It sucked ass we wanted more structure and a better promoted show. I started setting up my own shows at clubs that would pay $300 a night to be split amongst all the bands. It still felt like we weren't realy getting our music out to anybody. My business started to grow and before I knew it I was booking shows that my band wasn't even playing at. I am not some sort of big shot and never was. I was trying to book a show In souhthern mass at the rocks rock club and I asked this band if they would play. They responded with a no cause they were playing with powerman that week. Then they must have told Bernie about my band and what I was doing cause he asked us to play a show at Marks for Till We Die's dvd recording party. We were asked to pre sell 75 tickets. It was tough but we did it. When we played that night I swear to god on my fathers grave there was 500 plus squished in the club with only ass to belly room. It was a rush playing a show of that size and hearing the crowd chant your name. I felt like we made it to the next level. Every show was profesional with a great staff, sound guy, and sound equipment.Yes bernie had us sell tickets to many events after that eventually once he knew we had built up a large fan base he started adding us to bills with no ticket sales. A few times we did have to dip in our pockets to cover a few tickets every now and then, but thats cause we were playing 4 shows a week. I never realy questioned the money thing because he was investing so much time and money into our band. When we needed shirts to sell he bought us 100 of them. He constantly spen $2,000 or more on radio adds to help get us noticed. He has always been a respectfull and helpfull person to our group. He even helped us get distribution at major stores. But we never acted like pompus ass holes. I missed booking shows And one day the opportunity came up to book at marks. The show went real well and all the bands were happy. So I continued to book shows under 13 Beats Entertainment. Eventually I was asked to become partners with New England Concerts. Mike-- You can ask any band who has worked with me how many bands I have kcked off a show for not selling what they said they could. The answer will be none. I treat every band with respect and explain how we work, why we do it this way and what we can offer in the future after we see how the band works as a whole. Don't discredit me cause you were PMS ing one afternoon. To get back to your remark about filling my pockets -- I make about $200 per show that I set up from the beginig. Some of theese shows take a month to book cause I actually put time and care into the events that I book so the bands cn get the most exposure they can from my events. I realized quickly how much a show of that calibur costs to run. Honestly in my eyes if you can't pull in 30 people to my show I don't really want to book you anyways. About your past problems with NEC I can almost bet it was do to your attitude and lack of intelligence. If a The only time we will pay a larger band more to play is if it truly benefits the whole show-- meaning they will draw a large crowd ( which takes the strain off of the local bands and there ticket sales. Almost every day I book national acts with local who only need to pre sell 25 tickets to play. The bands are aware that time slots are based on ticet sales. The band who works the hardest gets the best spots it is fair. All that aside -- I still book 2 shows a month at Marks with no ticket sales. Theese shows high lite local acts only and the ocasional band passing through. The bottom line is you asked me to play the show and when I expained what was required you lashed out like a fag that hasn't got his dick fix for the day. By me saying good luck playing in front of 20 peole for ever was rude of me , but uncomparable to your malicious remarks against me and my passion. And if you took me saying good luck at getting shows at any larger clubs as me black balling you and thinking I have all controll over the whole scene then you are even dummer than I first thought. It was a reference to your attitude. Dude lay off of the roids. If you don't like how we do things than thats fine. You have a right to your beliefs. But don't smear my name cause you didn't get your way. To Be honest I think your band sucks big harry nuts and I was trying to be nice ny trying you out first before adding you to a better bill. You never know how a band is on stage until you see them and since the only show you had booked was in December of this year I felt i need to see you play one time before commiting your band to a bigger show. The bottom line is your an ass. I was trying to be nice by brushing your remarks off and telling you to have good luck with what ever path you take and you pulled this childish Bullshit. Fuck you and I can't wait to see you play this winter. I will make sure to blow you a kiss from the front row (the only row). Mike don't hate me cause I am doing what I love to do. Feel free to ask any other band how there relationship has been with NEC and working with me. If you don't want to work then stop your bitching.
Owww my eyes.
Okay so I get on the train, I sit in a 3 seater by the window…there are a bunch of other seats open or whatever and this family of 4 comes and 2 of them sit with me and 2 sit next to them in the 2 seater…
Which boggles my mind because they could have easily taken 2 2 seaters and left an open space on the 3 seater with me but no, they had to be jerks….so anyway, this guy gets in and spills his coke all over my pants and shirt….
So I go "what the fuck" not even in a threatening way or anything, just by surprise because my head was facing the other way….
So the guy goes "apologize" and I go "excuse me?" and he goes "apologize for cursing in front of my two kids or I'll get the train conductor to kick you off the train"
And I go "well buddy, maybe if you were paying attention to where you were putting your FUCKING coke, I would have said FUCK in front of your FUCKING children"
At this point the guy is basically in my face and his girl screams "daddy make the stupid boy leave" and I go "yeah, make me leave daddy" and he was like "come on kids, lets get out of here" and as they were walking away the guy tells me to learn some manners.
I see his daughter is holding a harry potter book in her hand I go "tell your daughter that dumbledore dies on page 606" and immediately this like 13 year old girl bursts into tears and soon after her older looking brother did too the dad was speechless and walked away.
I just spent the last twenty minutes rubbing a twelve year old girl's bare chest.
"How?" you ask. Well apparently there are a select few contexts within which such an action is acceptable. For instance, if your niece has a hacking cough and your sister asks you to "put some of this on her" while she calls the doctor.
"Putting some of this on hear" meant using my bare hands to rub this vapor ointment shit all over her BARE NAKED CHEST. My heartbeat is still all erratic from it. I had a boner the size of manhattan the entire time. She's sleeping now and I guess she feels better because she stopped coughing.
Details: She's about 5 feet tall, has long brown hair, a cute face, a thin waist and long skinny legs. She's in jammies I think because although I'm pretty shaken up right now I know I unbuttoned something before I went at it.
God I feel so great. I just rubbed my hands lal over her FUCKING TITS, you guys. Well the puffy parts of her chest anyway. Her nipples got hard. I just about wept tears of joy.
I didn't do anything else because I'm a coward and rubbing was enough. Plus it was legal and I didn't technically do anything wrong, so I'm in the clear.
I'd write more but I seriously have to go fap while the memory is fresh in my head.
Im looking for a bento box, it cant be pinku (thats japanese for pink) or any girl color. It has to be of 2 or more kotoba (thats japanese for 2 compartments) and has be be chibi (small) sized. And has to be really kawaii (cute). Also It has to be about 10-20 bux. And you have to post pics of it first (i want to make shure it's kawaii [cute]). And it would be nice if it came with matching chopstick holder (WITH chopsticks). OH! and it CANNOT have any cartoon pictures, or be made out of plastic. It has to be made of ceramic, or something like that. Also it would be nice if it was made in japan. and not in china or corea (korea) or whatever. I have found a bento box similar to the one im describing in e-bay, but it was 1 kotoba, and i dont want my gohan (rice) to touch my other things (it can get wet and i would not like that, plus 2 compartments looks more kawaii)
[Jul 27,2007 2:25pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
i'm gonna start and band called Wall of Text. All songs will be writen in incoherent essay form.
[Jul 27,2007 2:27pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
DestroyYouAlot said:DestroyYouAlot said:DestroyYouAlot said:SteveOTB said:Joe of Nec said:mike at zero said:In regards to a suffocation show, Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:
I will be heading uo tp the office soon and will check if there is still any openings for that bill. You might have to play a different show first to see how your band works out for us. All shows are ticketed events and bands are required to pre sell tickets. National acts require 50-75 tickets to play. Are you able to do this?
Life at Zero:We've palyed mark's with Suffocation, kryptopsy, goatwhore, we belong on this bill. ask Bernie.
Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:You guys are added to the November 17th Suffocation show. You can do one of 2 things. Either 50 tickets to play or 75 and New England Concerts will give you 25 free for you to sell and make $500. Let me know what you are able to do. Also is there any way you could hop on the July 28th Till we Die & One In Vain show this Saturday and have 20-30 people show up with out selling tickets? Please send me a contact number.
Thanks-- Joe
Life at zero:Well my band said no to either show, and i have to agree. The whole, us selling 50 tickets for pay to play is rediculous. What is the point of a promoter that doesn't lift a finger but gets paid regardless. How bout you pay the local bands regardless, you sell the tickets, and stop bleeding the local bands dry to fill your pockets. I found out or last show was supposed to be with Fuck the facts and you guys offered them more money to steel money from local bands. looks like we are starting a boycott of the rock club, and we will bring others with us./ Remeber the bombshelter, we helped shut them down we can do the same to you. Besides, shows aren't fun with TNT nazi security there
Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:Wow - if you guys had a clue on how it works you would be red faced with stupidity. Good luck playing in front of 20 people for ever. Thanks for your kind words and good luck getting booked at any major venue
Life at zero:Sweet joe, i posted this on Rttp, Goodluck now fuckface. We have more respect in the local seen then you assraping retards. And we don't need your approval to play anywhere in new england. 20 people huh, when did you guys turn into the biggest promoters in the universe fuckstick? You actually believe that you control the local seen? I'll post this for all the local bands you use to read, and see where you have support. I'm sure you can always use Black out Frenzy and C.S.D.O to play all your shows. So are you actually the guy who sucks the "national" act's dicks to get them to play that shit hole? I hope you all rot on a blazing altar of syphilis!
You know- I wasn't gonna sink down to this whiney bitches level, but going against my best judgement I would like to say a few things to Mike Zero. People who have half a brain can see you are an ignorant ass. Before you dis on some one you have no clue about try asking a few questions instead of lashing out like a high school kid who just had his girl taken from him. So hear is an explaination about who I am and how you interpreted what I wrote all fucking wrong.First off for you to say that I am filling my pockets with money from shows is a total lie. I always put %100 into every band that I work with cause I have been on the other end of the band promoter relationship for over 13 years now. I grew up in with nothing my father past away when I was 5 and my mom struggled every day just to get us by. I started playing trumpet when I was 5 and all through my school career learned how to play all types of instruments. My whole life has been dedicated to music. When I got old enough to work I started a band with some friends. By my freshman year I was going to school, working a part time job ( just to have some decent clothes) , and playing 2 or more shows a week. I always stayed in the back ground when it came to the business side of things. We played hundreds of small shows anywhere we could but never made it real far and eventualy broke up. Me and my friends started the band up a few more times and always it was the same deal. Finaly we gave up. I never finished high school but then went to get my GED it wasn't that I was dumb but just didn't want to be at school when I could be out and feel free. I went back to school to be a medic and past. At this time I wasn't in a band or doing anything with music. I thought about it every day and night. I ended up getting bored with my job and quit to try something different. I just wanted to do something that I liked and didn't mind going to every day but couldn't find it. I have always worked for every thing I have and never have gotten any hand outs. I wanted to do better at life So I put myself through college and got a few degrees in business/sales and marketing and then public relations. Over a year ago or so I started up my band again but this time took all control over where we played and all other business related issues. We started out by playing a few local clubs with our first being the compound in Fitchburg mass. (That wonderful pic you see above) It was the same shit as before -- you show up and no one has a clue when you are supposed to go on bands are switching spots and every one is arguing. We play in front of the other bands and if we are lucky we have a good night with a hundred or so people. It sucked ass we wanted more structure and a better promoted show. I started setting up my own shows at clubs that would pay $300 a night to be split amongst all the bands. It still felt like we weren't realy getting our music out to anybody. My business started to grow and before I knew it I was booking shows that my band wasn't even playing at. I am not some sort of big shot and never was. I was trying to book a show In souhthern mass at the rocks rock club and I asked this band if they would play. They responded with a no cause they were playing with powerman that week. Then they must have told Bernie about my band and what I was doing cause he asked us to play a show at Marks for Till We Die's dvd recording party. We were asked to pre sell 75 tickets. It was tough but we did it. When we played that night I swear to god on my fathers grave there was 500 plus squished in the club with only ass to belly room. It was a rush playing a show of that size and hearing the crowd chant your name. I felt like we made it to the next level. Every show was profesional with a great staff, sound guy, and sound equipment.Yes bernie had us sell tickets to many events after that eventually once he knew we had built up a large fan base he started adding us to bills with no ticket sales. A few times we did have to dip in our pockets to cover a few tickets every now and then, but thats cause we were playing 4 shows a week. I never realy questioned the money thing because he was investing so much time and money into our band. When we needed shirts to sell he bought us 100 of them. He constantly spen $2,000 or more on radio adds to help get us noticed. He has always been a respectfull and helpfull person to our group. He even helped us get distribution at major stores. But we never acted like pompus ass holes. I missed booking shows And one day the opportunity came up to book at marks. The show went real well and all the bands were happy. So I continued to book shows under 13 Beats Entertainment. Eventually I was asked to become partners with New England Concerts. Mike-- You can ask any band who has worked with me how many bands I have kcked off a show for not selling what they said they could. The answer will be none. I treat every band with respect and explain how we work, why we do it this way and what we can offer in the future after we see how the band works as a whole. Don't discredit me cause you were PMS ing one afternoon. To get back to your remark about filling my pockets -- I make about $200 per show that I set up from the beginig. Some of theese shows take a month to book cause I actually put time and care into the events that I book so the bands cn get the most exposure they can from my events. I realized quickly how much a show of that calibur costs to run. Honestly in my eyes if you can't pull in 30 people to my show I don't really want to book you anyways. About your past problems with NEC I can almost bet it was do to your attitude and lack of intelligence. If a The only time we will pay a larger band more to play is if it truly benefits the whole show-- meaning they will draw a large crowd ( which takes the strain off of the local bands and there ticket sales. Almost every day I book national acts with local who only need to pre sell 25 tickets to play. The bands are aware that time slots are based on ticet sales. The band who works the hardest gets the best spots it is fair. All that aside -- I still book 2 shows a month at Marks with no ticket sales. Theese shows high lite local acts only and the ocasional band passing through. The bottom line is you asked me to play the show and when I expained what was required you lashed out like a fag that hasn't got his dick fix for the day. By me saying good luck playing in front of 20 peole for ever was rude of me , but uncomparable to your malicious remarks against me and my passion. And if you took me saying good luck at getting shows at any larger clubs as me black balling you and thinking I have all controll over the whole scene then you are even dummer than I first thought. It was a reference to your attitude. Dude lay off of the roids. If you don't like how we do things than thats fine. You have a right to your beliefs. But don't smear my name cause you didn't get your way. To Be honest I think your band sucks big harry nuts and I was trying to be nice ny trying you out first before adding you to a better bill. You never know how a band is on stage until you see them and since the only show you had booked was in December of this year I felt i need to see you play one time before commiting your band to a bigger show. The bottom line is your an ass. I was trying to be nice by brushing your remarks off and telling you to have good luck with what ever path you take and you pulled this childish Bullshit. Fuck you and I can't wait to see you play this winter. I will make sure to blow you a kiss from the front row (the only row). Mike don't hate me cause I am doing what I love to do. Feel free to ask any other band how there relationship has been with NEC and working with me. If you don't want to work then stop your bitching.
Owww my eyes.
Okay so I get on the train, I sit in a 3 seater by the window…there are a bunch of other seats open or whatever and this family of 4 comes and 2 of them sit with me and 2 sit next to them in the 2 seater…
Which boggles my mind because they could have easily taken 2 2 seaters and left an open space on the 3 seater with me but no, they had to be jerks….so anyway, this guy gets in and spills his coke all over my pants and shirt….
So I go "what the fuck" not even in a threatening way or anything, just by surprise because my head was facing the other way….
So the guy goes "apologize" and I go "excuse me?" and he goes "apologize for cursing in front of my two kids or I'll get the train conductor to kick you off the train"
And I go "well buddy, maybe if you were paying attention to where you were putting your FUCKING coke, I would have said FUCK in front of your FUCKING children"
At this point the guy is basically in my face and his girl screams "daddy make the stupid boy leave" and I go "yeah, make me leave daddy" and he was like "come on kids, lets get out of here" and as they were walking away the guy tells me to learn some manners.
I see his daughter is holding a harry potter book in her hand I go "tell your daughter that dumbledore dies on page 606" and immediately this like 13 year old girl bursts into tears and soon after her older looking brother did too the dad was speechless and walked away.
I just spent the last twenty minutes rubbing a twelve year old girl's bare chest.
"How?" you ask. Well apparently there are a select few contexts within which such an action is acceptable. For instance, if your niece has a hacking cough and your sister asks you to "put some of this on her" while she calls the doctor.
"Putting some of this on hear" meant using my bare hands to rub this vapor ointment shit all over her BARE NAKED CHEST. My heartbeat is still all erratic from it. I had a boner the size of manhattan the entire time. She's sleeping now and I guess she feels better because she stopped coughing.
Details: She's about 5 feet tall, has long brown hair, a cute face, a thin waist and long skinny legs. She's in jammies I think because although I'm pretty shaken up right now I know I unbuttoned something before I went at it.
God I feel so great. I just rubbed my hands lal over her FUCKING TITS, you guys. Well the puffy parts of her chest anyway. Her nipples got hard. I just about wept tears of joy.
I didn't do anything else because I'm a coward and rubbing was enough. Plus it was legal and I didn't technically do anything wrong, so I'm in the clear.
I'd write more but I seriously have to go fap while the memory is fresh in my head.
Im looking for a bento box, it cant be pinku (thats japanese for pink) or any girl color. It has to be of 2 or more kotoba (thats japanese for 2 compartments) and has be be chibi (small) sized. And has to be really kawaii (cute). Also It has to be about 10-20 bux. And you have to post pics of it first (i want to make shure it's kawaii [cute]). And it would be nice if it came with matching chopstick holder (WITH chopsticks). OH! and it CANNOT have any cartoon pictures, or be made out of plastic. It has to be made of ceramic, or something like that. Also it would be nice if it was made in japan. and not in china or corea (korea) or whatever. I have found a bento box similar to the one im describing in e-bay, but it was 1 kotoba, and i dont want my gohan (rice) to touch my other things (it can get wet and i would not like that, plus 2 compartments looks more kawaii)
Anyways, FuckIsMySignature, please listen to me. That it's really related to this thread.
I went to Yoshinoya a while ago; you know, Yoshinoya?
Well anyways there was an insane number of people there, and I couldn't get in.
Then, I looked at the banner hanging from the ceiling, and it had "150 yen off" written on it.
Oh, the stupidity. Those idiots.
You, don't come to Yoshinoya just because it's 150 yen off, fool.
It's only 150 yen, 1-5-0 YEN for crying out loud.
There're even entire families here. Family of 4, all out for some Yoshinoya, huh? How fucking nice.
"Alright, daddy's gonna order the extra-large." God I can't bear to watch.
You people, I'll give you 150 yen if you get out of those seats.
Yosinoya should be a bloody place.
That tense atmosphere, where two guys on opposite sides of the U-shaped table can start a fight at any time,
the stab-or-be-stabbed mentality, that's what's great about this place.
Women and children should screw off and stay home.
Anyways, I was about to start eating, and then the bastard beside me goes "extra-large, with extra sauce."
Who in the world orders extra sauce nowadays, you moron?
I want to ask him, "do you REALLY want to eat it with extra sauce?"
I want to interrogate him. I want to interrogate him for roughly an hour.
Are you sure you don't just want to try saying "extra sauce"?
Coming from a Yoshinoya veteran such as myself, the latest trend among us vets is this, extra green onion.
That's right, extra green onion. This is the vet's way of eating.
Extra green onion means more green onion than sauce. But on the other hand the price is a tad higher. This is the key.
And then, it's delicious. This is unbeatable.
However, if you order this then there is danger that you'll be marked by the employees from next time on; it's a double-edged sword.
I can't recommend it to amateurs.
What this all really means, though, is that you, FuckIsMySignature, should just stick with today's special.
[Jul 27,2007 2:29pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
well there's song #1
[Jul 27,2007 3:20pm - Yeti ""]
i can't figure out where this thread went. i need a grown up!
[Jul 27,2007 3:51pm - sxealex ""]
archaeon said:
http://www.myspace.com/ntnd
Great choice!
whhhhhaaaaaaat the fuck???? this is gonna be funny.
[Jul 29,2007 2:45pm - mike at zero ""]
Joe of Nec said:mike at zero said:In regards to a suffocation show, Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:
I will be heading uo tp the office soon and will check if there is still any openings for that bill. You might have to play a different show first to see how your band works out for us. All shows are ticketed events and bands are required to pre sell tickets. National acts require 50-75 tickets to play. Are you able to do this?
Life at Zero:We've palyed mark's with Suffocation, kryptopsy, goatwhore, we belong on this bill. ask Bernie.
Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:You guys are added to the November 17th Suffocation show. You can do one of 2 things. Either 50 tickets to play or 75 and New England Concerts will give you 25 free for you to sell and make $500. Let me know what you are able to do. Also is there any way you could hop on the July 28th Till we Die & One In Vain show this Saturday and have 20-30 people show up with out selling tickets? Please send me a contact number.
Thanks-- Joe
Life at zero:Well my band said no to either show, and i have to agree. The whole, us selling 50 tickets for pay to play is rediculous. What is the point of a promoter that doesn't lift a finger but gets paid regardless. How bout you pay the local bands regardless, you sell the tickets, and stop bleeding the local bands dry to fill your pockets. I found out or last show was supposed to be with Fuck the facts and you guys offered them more money to steel money from local bands. looks like we are starting a boycott of the rock club, and we will bring others with us./ Remeber the bombshelter, we helped shut them down we can do the same to you. Besides, shows aren't fun with TNT nazi security there
Joe of New England Concerts & OIV:Wow - if you guys had a clue on how it works you would be red faced with stupidity. Good luck playing in front of 20 people for ever. Thanks for your kind words and good luck getting booked at any major venue
Life at zero:Sweet joe, i posted this on Rttp, Goodluck now fuckface. We have more respect in the local seen then you assraping retards. And we don't need your approval to play anywhere in new england. 20 people huh, when did you guys turn into the biggest promoters in the universe fuckstick? You actually believe that you control the local seen? I'll post this for all the local bands you use to read, and see where you have support. I'm sure you can always use Black out Frenzy and C.S.D.O to play all your shows. So are you actually the guy who sucks the "national" act's dicks to get them to play that shit hole? I hope you all rot on a blazing altar of syphilis!
You know- I wasn't gonna sink down to this whiney bitches level, but going against my best judgement I would like to say a few things to Mike Zero. People who have half a brain can see you are an ignorant ass. Before you dis on some one you have no clue about try asking a few questions instead of lashing out like a high school kid who just had his girl taken from him. So hear is an explaination about who I am and how you interpreted what I wrote all fucking wrong.First off for you to say that I am filling my pockets with money from shows is a total lie. I always put %100 into every band that I work with cause I have been on the other end of the band promoter relationship for over 13 years now. I grew up in with nothing my father past away when I was 5 and my mom struggled every day just to get us by. I started playing trumpet when I was 5 and all through my school career learned how to play all types of instruments. My whole life has been dedicated to music. When I got old enough to work I started a band with some friends. By my freshman year I was going to school, working a part time job ( just to have some decent clothes) , and playing 2 or more shows a week. I always stayed in the back ground when it came to the business side of things. We played hundreds of small shows anywhere we could but never made it real far and eventualy broke up. Me and my friends started the band up a few more times and always it was the same deal. Finaly we gave up. I never finished high school but then went to get my GED it wasn't that I was dumb but just didn't want to be at school when I could be out and feel free. I went back to school to be a medic and past. At this time I wasn't in a band or doing anything with music. I thought about it every day and night. I ended up getting bored with my job and quit to try something different. I just wanted to do something that I liked and didn't mind going to every day but couldn't find it. I have always worked for every thing I have and never have gotten any hand outs. I wanted to do better at life So I put myself through college and got a few degrees in business/sales and marketing and then public relations. Over a year ago or so I started up my band again but this time took all control over where we played and all other business related issues. We started out by playing a few local clubs with our first being the compound in Fitchburg mass. (That wonderful pic you see above) It was the same shit as before -- you show up and no one has a clue when you are supposed to go on bands are switching spots and every one is arguing. We play in front of the other bands and if we are lucky we have a good night with a hundred or so people. It sucked ass we wanted more structure and a better promoted show. I started setting up my own shows at clubs that would pay $300 a night to be split amongst all the bands. It still felt like we weren't realy getting our music out to anybody. My business started to grow and before I knew it I was booking shows that my band wasn't even playing at. I am not some sort of big shot and never was. I was trying to book a show In souhthern mass at the rocks rock club and I asked this band if they would play. They responded with a no cause they were playing with powerman that week. Then they must have told Bernie about my band and what I was doing cause he asked us to play a show at Marks for Till We Die's dvd recording party. We were asked to pre sell 75 tickets. It was tough but we did it. When we played that night I swear to god on my fathers grave there was 500 plus squished in the club with only ass to belly room. It was a rush playing a show of that size and hearing the crowd chant your name. I felt like we made it to the next level. Every show was profesional with a great staff, sound guy, and sound equipment.Yes bernie had us sell tickets to many events after that eventually once he knew we had built up a large fan base he started adding us to bills with no ticket sales. A few times we did have to dip in our pockets to cover a few tickets every now and then, but thats cause we were playing 4 shows a week. I never realy questioned the money thing because he was investing so much time and money into our band. When we needed shirts to sell he bought us 100 of them. He constantly spen $2,000 or more on radio adds to help get us noticed. He has always been a respectfull and helpfull person to our group. He even helped us get distribution at major stores. But we never acted like pompus ass holes. I missed booking shows And one day the opportunity came up to book at marks. The show went real well and all the bands were happy. So I continued to book shows under 13 Beats Entertainment. Eventually I was asked to become partners with New England Concerts. Mike-- You can ask any band who has worked with me how many bands I have kcked off a show for not selling what they said they could. The answer will be none. I treat every band with respect and explain how we work, why we do it this way and what we can offer in the future after we see how the band works as a whole. Don't discredit me cause you were PMS ing one afternoon. To get back to your remark about filling my pockets -- I make about $200 per show that I set up from the beginig. Some of theese shows take a month to book cause I actually put time and care into the events that I book so the bands cn get the most exposure they can from my events. I realized quickly how much a show of that calibur costs to run. Honestly in my eyes if you can't pull in 30 people to my show I don't really want to book you anyways. About your past problems with NEC I can almost bet it was do to your attitude and lack of intelligence. If a The only time we will pay a larger band more to play is if it truly benefits the whole show-- meaning they will draw a large crowd ( which takes the strain off of the local bands and there ticket sales. Almost every day I book national acts with local who only need to pre sell 25 tickets to play. The bands are aware that time slots are based on ticet sales. The band who works the hardest gets the best spots it is fair. All that aside -- I still book 2 shows a month at Marks with no ticket sales. Theese shows high lite local acts only and the ocasional band passing through. The bottom line is you asked me to play the show and when I expained what was required you lashed out like a fag that hasn't got his dick fix for the day. By me saying good luck playing in front of 20 peole for ever was rude of me , but uncomparable to your malicious remarks against me and my passion. And if you took me saying good luck at getting shows at any larger clubs as me black balling you and thinking I have all controll over the whole scene then you are even dummer than I first thought. It was a reference to your attitude. Dude lay off of the roids. If you don't like how we do things than thats fine. You have a right to your beliefs. But don't smear my name cause you didn't get your way. To Be honest I think your band sucks big harry nuts and I was trying to be nice ny trying you out first before adding you to a better bill. You never know how a band is on stage until you see them and since the only show you had booked was in December of this year I felt i need to see you play one time before commiting your band to a bigger show. The bottom line is your an ass. I was trying to be nice by brushing your remarks off and telling you to have good luck with what ever path you take and you pulled this childish Bullshit. Fuck you and I can't wait to see you play this winter. I will make sure to blow you a kiss from the front row (the only row). Mike don't hate me cause I am doing what I love to do. Feel free to ask any other band how there relationship has been with NEC and working with me. If you don't want to work then stop your bitching.
Your band is the worst peice of shit excuse I've ever heard for Hardcore son. It takes no talent to play that shit you call music. Whining about your past won't help you either. You called me a bitch, I didn't give my life story for a sympathy vote you skinny jeans wearing cum chugger. Does my band suck because you cant comprehend anything more than 3 chord progression? Or is it cause i don't sing about my friends stabbing me in the back, or pride, or any of the other shit thousands of other bands beat you to 18 to 20 years ago? And 500 hundrd people in mark's, dude who the fuck do you think you are kidding. People weren't chanting your name, they were booing your no talent ass of stage!! And sucking dick for food does not constitute playing trumpet. And actually, we had no problems with nec besides the pay to play. You don't deserve 200 dollars in your pocket for writing a bands name in a calander. So later on when you and your bandmates are having your greek orgy, try not to choke while your greedy mouth is being stuffed. Okay pookie bear. kisses.
[Jul 29,2007 2:47pm - mike at zero ""]
Joe of Nec said:The only truth to any thing you said was " TNT are Nazi's" I think so too but there are some huge business related reasons to use them for events that I wouldn't expect someone of your class to understand so please just put this in the past or continue your little boycott it realy does'nt effect me in any way. People can view this how ever they want. It will not effect me one bit. If they stop comming to one club I will book more in Boston or Worcester. I never had any bad intents and never shit on any band I have worked with. I plan on doing this for a long time and if the day comes that I hit the lottory and can afford to throw a big ass show free to all you will be thew first band I invite.
Oh, I openly invite you to one of our shows, let the door guy know when you come in, So i know who's teeth to kick in.
[Jul 29,2007 4:34pm - sxealex ""]
mike at zero said:And sucking dick for food does not constitute playing trumpet. And actually, we had no problems with nec besides the pay to play. You don't deserve 200 dollars in your pocket for writing a bands name in a calander. So later on when you and your bandmates are having your greek orgy, try not to choke while your greedy mouth is being stuffed. Okay pookie bear. kisses.
bahahhaa
[Jul 29,2007 5:00pm - goatcatalyst ""]
this thread has summoned the lollermanche
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[Mar 3,2011 9:49pm - BAN NEC ""]
BUMP
[Mar 3,2011 10:02pm - Woah!_Shut_It_Down! ""]
Just say what venues not to go to or who not to shake hands with.
[Mar 3,2011 10:42pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
HONEST HARD-WORKING PROMOTER said:[img]
YA GOTTA PAY YA DUES TO MAKE IT IN THE BIZ, KID
STICK WITH ME, YOU'LL GO FAR
THE FIGHT CONTINUES
[Mar 4,2011 12:15am - ValkyrieScreams ""]
...An oldie but a goodie.
Re-reading it brings back long-forgotten laughs, but wtf?! How the hell do you guys smoke so much weed and still remember these threads?
[Mar 4,2011 1:26am - nekronaut ""]
mike%20at%20zero said:blazing altar of syphilis
TOP FOR GWAR REFERENCE
[Mar 4,2011 7:34am - Yeti ""]
wow, i forgot about this modern art masterpiece. kudos to New England being chock full of chuckleheads.
[Mar 4,2011 7:56am - DestroyYouAlot ""]
just read it again. SO MUCH WIN.
[Mar 4,2011 8:04am - largefreakatzero ""]
Not this thread again...