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[QUOTE="Pat%20Meebles%20nli:425374"]ShadowSD said:[QUOTE]PatMeebles said:[QUOTE]HailTheLeaf said:[QUOTE]PatMeebles said:[QUOTE]well, nixon's wiretaps were actually domestic...[/QUOTE] As are Bush's..in fact he's voilating a law that was put in place after Nixon to insure that it couldn't happen again. [/QUOTE] The ignorance of that statement is laughable.[/QUOTE] No, it's not. Whenever the Attorney General and others in the Bush administration are asked about whether any of these calls have both ends in the US, they never give a direct answer to rule out that possibility. Every analyst (and common sense) says they would rule it out unless it was true. Furthermore, FBI agents with expertise on the subject have gone on the news and stated that historically speaking, it is very likely there will be vast abuse of this obviously unchecked policy, because that's what always happens under these circumstances. The concern about the issue is so great it has resulted in many Republicans challenging the confirmation of Mike Haydn as new CIA chief, since he ran the NSA wiretapping program. Apparantely, those Republicans don't find the ignorance of her statement as laughable as you do. [/QUOTE] No, the opposition on the Republican side to Hayden is led by Rep. Hoekstra, who doesn't want a military man running the CIA. The reasoning for this is that Hoekstra believes that instead of being an advocate for the intelligence community, Hayden would turn the CIA into the defense department's bitch. I disagree with that assessment, but it's a fairly reasonable conclusion. And of course domestic calls will end up in the computers in a data mining operation. The deal is that they're supposed to be deleted unless they're followed up on constitutionally. Have any of you read FISA? Hell, you don't even need a warrant AT ALL for any type of intelligence gathering if the target is a non-US person. A US Person is defined as either a citizen or a legal alien who's living here permanently. So any tourist from another country can be spied on without any warrants according to FISA. And if you read any federal court case on the matter of eaves-dropping, the courts will say over and over again that the government CAN spy without a warrant to gather foreign intelligence. Everyone says the system is unchecked, but nobody complained about Clinton's unchecked domestic physical search (as opposed to eaves dropping). Nobody complained about Carter's eavesdropping, or FDR's spying. [/QUOTE]
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