Nick of Silver[views:18478][posts:190]_______________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 3:50pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] I know some of you cats don't like Nick, but he is a friend of mine so I wanted to say that I seriously doubt he raped anyone and logging out to accuse him of that is pretty dumb. |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 3:56pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] hey thanks dude. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 4:07pm - the_reverend ""] I like nick too. hoser and I were talking about it at the bar the other day. he's a really sensitive dude and I'm sure that stuff really gets to him, which is most likely the intention of the people involved. Anything that may have gone down has been horribly twisted and bend into whatever form the story teller wants. Also, the time frames were back when he wasn't clean and sober. So anything that was made up, twisted, or whatever about him, I don't care about and neither should anyone one else. he's a good dude and does what he can for the musical scene. but if you want to cut him down, people know the buttons and some people just keep hitting it over and over and over. with that, I would like to say, out of all the rumors that I've read, I seriously hope that the trashcan rumor is true. that is the greatest story and should be an urban legend that motorhead... no! anvil writes a song about. man, that would be sweet. I hope it mentions the dreds |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 4:13pm - dreadkill ""] i've had a disagreement or two on this board with nick in the past, but he's always seemed like a good sincere guy who means well. he doesn't seem like the rapist type and i don't know the story behind that accusation, but i'll assume it isn't true. |
| ________________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 4:16pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] i would like to hear more about this trashcan story. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 4:25pm - the_reverend ""] if you want that story, you are on the wrong board. sorry. |
| ________________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 4:35pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] the_reverend said:if you want that story, you are on the wrong board. sorry. board smored, ill sign up for the memoirs and read all about it from the man himself |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 4:41pm - KeithMutiny ""] nick gives great head! |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 6:00pm - nick ""] truestory, i was driving down MA-2E in boston and i saw nick riding a bike. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 6:05pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Talk to ------- on the Honeypump Board. She's a crusty punk chick who Nick did rape. (Edit: Talk to Jonah about it) Also, you can talk to Ben from Honeypump and he'll tell you about the time his friend wouldn't hook up with Nick, so he jerked off in front of her into a trash can making her feel horribly uncomfortable. Also, you can talk to that poser Jonah Bloodbath, who used to be friends with Nick and who Nick came to tell about the numberous times chicks had accused him of sexual assault, in both the Mass area, AND when he lived out of state. Jonah can tell you how Nick seemed to think the problem was the chicks, not himself. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 6:08pm - BestialOnslaught ""] And if anyone's got any questions about (edit: the girl in question's) authenticity, well, she is good friends with Mr. Bob DROPDEAD. The "Nick is a rapist" thing gets thrown around here a lot by people who don't know the details, but that doesn't mean it isn't true. Why do you think he was totally driven out of the punk scene and decided he'd have to come post here and try to worm his way in with the less-gender-issue-concious metal crowd? |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 6:19pm - BestialOnslaught ""] http://board.honeypump.net/t.php?id=54293&r=51 Great timing! Here's a thread about a boycott of today's TOS show, because of Nick's inability to keep his penis to himself! |
| __________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 6:37pm - helvete ""] yeah, those people only fight the good figght and only protest the truth. wow, I can't wait for the next HELVETE. |
| _______________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 6:52pm - slowlypeelingtheflesh ""] nick is a great dude, seriously you assholes should just leave him alone |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 6:56pm - RichHorror ""] People are just jealous that Nick invited me to his birthday party. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 6:57pm - the jury ""] he should address these accusations |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 6:58pm - dwellingsickness ""] BestialOnslaught said:And if anyone's got any questions about Katiekay's authenticity, well, she is good friends with Mr. Bob DROPDEAD. So, what is the point, Is that supposed to make every word she says, true? P.S. - What does his personal life have to do with anything?. If I let people's personal lives affect the music I listen to , I might as well burn half my CD collection |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:01pm - RichHorror ""] Powerviolence is Love. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:06pm - dreadkill ""] dwellingsickness said:If I let people's personal lives affect the music I listen to , I might as well burn half my CD collection me too |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:08pm - BestialOnslaught ""] I'm just saying there's a "paper trail"... There are people to discuss this issue, and the relative characters of the people involved with and there's no reason to assume just cause noone here knew Nick at the time or knows about the details that it must simply be some message board bullshit. I agree that you can't expect every musician to be a great person... But in Nick's case, I don't think there's anything redeeming on ANY front, artistic or personal. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:11pm - hoser ""] BestialOnslaught said:http://board.honeypump.net/t.php?id=54293&r=51 Great timing! Here's a thread about a boycott of today's TOS show, because of Nick's inability to keep his penis to himself! Bestial....who really gives a fuck? Every post you make is in response to some other post. Get an identity, assclown. Post your own shit and stop trying to be the antagonist in every situation. You've become nothing short a of a simple pain in the ass on this board. Go hang out at Honeypump with your Liberal/Vegetarian asshole counterparts and stay the fuck out of here. Go spread your faggotry elsewhere. CUNT. |
| _________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:11pm - pisscup ""] dwellingsickness said:BestialOnslaught said:And if anyone's got any questions about her authenticity, well, she is good friends with Mr. Bob DROPDEAD. So, what is the point, Is that supposed to make every word she says, true? She is a friend of mine. If you want somebody to vouch for her authenticity, I'm right here. I've never heard of this rape shit from her before, but I will be finding out in a few minutes. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:14pm - hoser ""] Sounds like Katie is just another whore with a story. Come to your own conclusions asswipes. Stop listening to any dumb bitch with an accusation. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:14pm - hoser ""] I wonder how many dudes Katie has plowed? |
| _______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:15pm - hoser ""] She didn't prosecute...soooooo....sounds to me like a story. |
| _________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:15pm - pisscup ""] hoser said:Sounds like Katie is just another whore with a story. Come to your own conclusions asswipes. Stop listening to any dumb bitch with an accusation. I hope sometime in the future you have the sense to apologize for this because you were drinking or whatever your excuse may be. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:18pm - BestialOnslaught ""] hoser said:BestialOnslaught said:http://board.honeypump.net/t.php?id=54293&r=51 Great timing! Here's a thread about a boycott of today's TOS show, because of Nick's inability to keep his penis to himself! Bestial....who really gives a fuck? Every post you make is in response to some other post. Get an identity, assclown. Post your own shit and stop trying to be the antagonist in every situation. You've become nothing short a of a simple pain in the ass on this board. Go hang out at Honeypump with your Liberal/Vegetarian asshole counterparts and stay the fuck out of here. Go spread your faggotry elsewhere. CUNT. Hahaha oh noes! The Shortbus Crew doesn't approve of my presence here! |
| _______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:22pm - hoser ""] I'm a reasonable man, Bestial. However, you have just become nothing short of a pain in the ass lately. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:22pm - hoser ""] pisscup said:hoser said:Sounds like Katie is just another whore with a story. Come to your own conclusions asswipes. Stop listening to any dumb bitch with an accusation. I hope sometime in the future you have the sense to apologize for this because you were drinking or whatever your excuse may be. Did she prosecute, Pisscup? Did she or not? |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:22pm - BestialOnslaught ""] hoser said:Bestial....who really gives a fuck? Every post you make is in response to some other post. Get an identity, assclown. Post your own shit and stop trying to be the antagonist in every situation. You've become nothing short a of a simple pain in the ass on this board. Go hang out at Honeypump with your Liberal/Vegetarian asshole counterparts and stay the fuck out of here. Go spread your faggotry elsewhere. CUNT. Yeah, definitely haven't read anything more reasonable than this all week! |
| _______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:24pm - hoser ""] BestialOnslaught said:hoser said:Bestial....who really gives a fuck? Every post you make is in response to some other post. Get an identity, assclown. Post your own shit and stop trying to be the antagonist in every situation. You've become nothing short a of a simple pain in the ass on this board. Go hang out at Honeypump with your Liberal/Vegetarian asshole counterparts and stay the fuck out of here. Go spread your faggotry elsewhere. CUNT. Yeah, definitely haven't read anything more reasonable than this all week! Antagonist again. Pain in the ass again. You're losing here, buddy. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:25pm - BestialOnslaught ""] I'm sorry I dragged the girl's name into it. Even without that particular incident, it's a long pattern of behavior apparently, and there's no reason to assume that just cause this kid shook your hand and smiled at some local show that he must be Mr. Innocent. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:25pm - hoser ""] I wanna know....DID SHE PROSECUTE OR NOT??? |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:27pm - BestialOnslaught ""] No, but a large majority of rapes are not prosecuted, so that's meaningless. hoser said:Antagonist again. Pain in the ass again. You're losing here, buddy. I'm losing? You're in HCN... You're incapable of making an intelligent argument on any subject. Face it, you already lost! |
| _______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:28pm - hoser ""] BestialOnslaught said:No, but a large majority of rapes are not prosecuted, so that's meaningless. hoser said:Antagonist again. Pain in the ass again. You're losing here, buddy. I'm losing? You're in HCN... You're incapable of making an intelligent argument on any subject. Face it, you already lost! What does the fact that I'm in HCN have to do with anything?? You're reaching, and making a massive ass of yourself. You're credibility drops as we speak. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:28pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Why don't you call me an assclown and a cunt again? That was impressive. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:31pm - hoser ""] BestialOnslaught said:Why don't you call me an assclown and a cunt again? That was impressive. You're an idiot. |
| _________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:31pm - pisscup ""] So, if she didn't call the police, it didn't happen??? Like I said before, I've never heard of this before today. It's not something people bring up in everyday conversation. I doubt that she's going to be happy when she checks her email tonight and finds her name on RTTP's message board. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:35pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Sorry, I really shouldn't have brought up a name. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:35pm - BestialOnslaught ""] I guess I am an assclown! |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:36pm - CNV ""] Hahahaha, this is hilarious It seems to me with the amount of stories and accusations of rape that there must be something behind it Why is there never an explanation from this Nick character? That is a good indication of guilt if you ask me |
| _________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:36pm - pisscup ""] Gee I wonder who this anonymous poster on honneypump is??? "SOUNDS TO ME LIKE A LIBERAL CRYBABY FEST AT THE LIBRARY...YOU PUSSY LIBERAL CUNTS OUTTA BE ASHAMED OF YOUR FAGGOTRY. OHHHH...I SO FEEL IT. READ YOUR OWN BOOKS ABOUT RAPE FAGGOTS. CRY WHERE SOMEONE CARES. FUCKING BUCKETLOAD OF PUSSIES. LIBERALS CRYBABIES ARE A DISEASE IN THIS COUNTRY THAT MUST BE STOPPED. AMERICA IS SICK OF THE CRYBABY COLLEGE TYPES WITH KNOWLEDGE OF NOTHING EXCEPT THEIR OWN AGENDAS. HOPE YOU FAGGOTS DIE." |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:39pm - nick ""] OFFTOPIC:: is 'BESTIAL ONSLAUGHT' a dungeons and dragons or magic the gathering refference or something? i simply must know! |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:40pm - kok ""] well ya, but what DOES being in HCN have to do with anything? |
| _______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:40pm - hoser ""] Regardless of any guilt....I want to know if she prosecuted, and if she didn't....why she didn't. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:41pm - BestialOnslaught ""] nick said:OFFTOPIC:: is 'BESTIAL ONSLAUGHT' a dungeons and dragons or magic the gathering refference or something? i simply must know! Haha no, it is not. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:41pm - kok ""] I got raped at work today. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:42pm - BestialOnslaught ""] kok said:well ya, but what DOES being in HCN have to do with anything? I'm just dicking around cause I don't like your music. It's a joke. |
| _________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:42pm - pisscup ""] hoser said:Regardless of any guilt....I want to know if she prosecuted, and if she didn't....why she didn't. I can tell you why I don't call the police and why most of my good friends don't call the police - BECAUSE WE TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN BUSINESS. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:42pm - hoser ""] Was this whole situation embarrassing and questionable for both parties.....???? This is America.....you commies are convicting Nick without hearing his testimony. This isn't Cuba or China, ya know. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:43pm - BestialOnslaught ""] hoser said:Regardless of any guilt....I want to know if she prosecuted, and if she didn't....why she didn't. I already answered the first part, don't know about the 2nd part, but I can imagine it might have to do with the usual reasons a person wouldn't want to have to relive a horrible, dehumanizing experience. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:44pm - hoser ""] I know that if my sister was raped and didn't report it, I'd call her an idiot and tell her that because there was no paper trail, there's nothing that I can do. Then I'd kill the guy. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:45pm - kok ""] How can you say that you dont like our music? when have you ever heard us? Im positive it was with our old vox seeing as how we havent recorded with Mark yet, and I doubt youve been to any of our shows. |
| _______________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:45pm - what tim was ""] i have no knowledge of all this, but with the amount of shitty things people do and say around here to try and ruin others lives and reputations, mixed with the fact that nick might be one of the most kindhearted and honest people i've met in a long time, leads me to believe that all this is just a scam to try and bring him down. someone has something against him and doesn't want their friends to be friends with nick anymore so they start some story about him raping a girl, something i highly doubt he would ever even consider, just to cause drama. this isn't highschool, shut the fuck up. i back nick completely and will only listen to him reguarding this topic, considering bestialonslaught and probably many others heard this rumor and are trying to spread it and demean nick and his friends. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:45pm - BestialOnslaught ""] hoser said:Was this whole situation embarrassing and questionable for both parties.....???? This is America.....you commies are convicting Nick without hearing his testimony. This isn't Cuba or China, ya know. Convicting? We're talking about it, noone here has the power to convict him or punish him or do anything other than state their piece. He has had ample opportunities to address the issue on this board though, without taking advantage of it. |
| _______________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:46pm - what tim was ""] i have no knowledge of all this, but with the amount of shitty things people do and say around here to try and ruin others lives and reputations, mixed with the fact that nick might be one of the most kindhearted and honest people i've met in a long time, leads me to believe that all this is just a scam to try and bring him down. someone has something against him and doesn't want their friends to be friends with nick anymore so they start some story about him raping a girl, something i highly doubt he would ever even consider, just to cause drama. this isn't highschool, shut the fuck up. i back nick completely and will only listen to him reguarding this topic, considering bestialonslaught and probably many others heard this rumor and are trying to spread it and demean nick and his friends. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:46pm - kok ""] BestialOnslaught said:hoser said:Regardless of any guilt....I want to know if she prosecuted, and if she didn't....why she didn't. I already answered the first part, don't know about the 2nd part, but I can imagine it might have to do with the usual reasons a person wouldn't want to have to relive a horrible, dehumanizing experience. And you ARENT the first dirtbag to joke about the exact same thing or worse? Double standards....tsktsk |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:46pm - BestialOnslaught ""] kok said:How can you say that you dont like our music? when have you ever heard us? Im positive it was with our old vox seeing as how we havent recorded with Mark yet, and I doubt youve been to any of our shows. I just didn't dig the mp3s I heard awhile ago, I'd listen again when there's new shit. It was a joke. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:47pm - kok ""] Its all fun and games until someone loses a fucking eye. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:48pm - kok ""] BestialOnslaught said:kok said:How can you say that you dont like our music? when have you ever heard us? Im positive it was with our old vox seeing as how we havent recorded with Mark yet, and I doubt youve been to any of our shows. I just didn't dig the mp3s I heard awhile ago, I'd listen again when there's new shit. It was a joke. Cool. Im not offended, Im just asking. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:49pm - BestialOnslaught ""] kok said:BestialOnslaught said:hoser said:Regardless of any guilt....I want to know if she prosecuted, and if she didn't....why she didn't. I already answered the first part, don't know about the 2nd part, but I can imagine it might have to do with the usual reasons a person wouldn't want to have to relive a horrible, dehumanizing experience. And you ARENT the first dirtbag to joke about the exact same thing or worse? Double standards....tsktsk Are you thinking of Josh Martin? Haha... Yeah, I have a sense of humor about some pretty un-PC things, I'm not always the most sensitive person in the world. However, if you want me to serriously answer a question like "Why don't women prosecute the men that raped them to the fullest extent of the law?", my answer above is pretty sufficient I think. I've never claimed not to have an asshole side, but I'm taking parts of this discussion seriously, so sue me. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:50pm - hoser ""] I also back Nick if anyone hasn't guessed. He is a great fucking asset to the mucis scene and his avoidance of the accusations is probably his best defense. Leave the guy alone. He is wonderfully creative, which has nothing to do with this, but it is doubtful that he could perform any such acts. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:52pm - BestialOnslaught ""] You're entitled to that, and I don't blame people for giving a friend the benefit of the doubt, but appearances can most definitely be deceiving. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:53pm - CNV ""] hoser said:I also back Nick if anyone hasn't guessed. He is a great fucking asset to the mucis scene and his avoidance of the accusations is probably his best defense. Leave the guy alone. He is wonderfully creative, which has nothing to do with this, but it is doubtful that he could perform any such acts. Avoiding the issue just makes him look guilty If I was wrongfully accused of rape I would be foaming at the mouth... |
| _______________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:54pm - what tim was ""] but what, besides this girl kate's word do you have? and how reliable is that word? i can tell you right now nick cares way too much about people to do something like that |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:55pm - kok ""] What ev. I try not to worry about other peoples biz, but I have met, hung out with Nick, and talked with him quite a bit. I would consider him a strong aquaintance/ friend. It would SHOCK the shit out of me, if this was true. BUT, remember, you truly know NO ONE. Ted Bundy was the most charming motherfucker on the west coast, but he bit bitches tits off, and choked them to death. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:56pm - CNV ""] kok said:What ev. I try not to worry about other peoples biz, but I have met, hung out with Nick, and talked with him quite a bit. I would consider him a strong aquaintance/ friend. It would SHOCK the shit out of me, if this was true. BUT, remember, you truly know NO ONE. Ted Bundy was the most charming motherfucker on the west coast, but he bit bitches tits off, and choked them to death. Nicely put, I do concur good sir! |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:57pm - kok ""] CNV said:>> If I was wrongfully accused of rape I would be foaming at the mouth... >> Same here for sure. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 7:59pm - succubus ""] pisscup said: I doubt that she's going to be happy when she checks her email tonight and finds her name on RTTP's message board. rttp gets a bad rap again... |
| __________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:01pm - succubus ""] CNV said:hoser said:I also back Nick if anyone hasn't guessed. He is a great fucking asset to the mucis scene and his avoidance of the accusations is probably his best defense. Leave the guy alone. He is wonderfully creative, which has nothing to do with this, but it is doubtful that he could perform any such acts. Avoiding the issue just makes him look guilty If I was wrongfully accused of rape I would be foaming at the mouth... except he's not avoiding the issue... http://www.returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=20903 if you don't feel like clicking here's what he typed in the thread he made: am making a public statement in response to rumors associated with myself and my bands The Taste of Silver, How They Light Cigarettes In Prison, and Monster Truck Rally. For the most part you know me as Faust Eddie or Nicholas Cigarettes. In 2003 a woman from Rhode Island made some statements that indicated that in 1999/2000 I had a sexual encounter with her that led to rape. I know my relationship with the person involved and I know exactly what I did and didn't do and I know that in no way did I ever, ever have anything that in any way was non-consensual, forced, coerced, or anything of that nature with said other person. For two years since I began to receive negative reactions based on these accusations I have taken the time to sort through what I remember as fact, fiction, and my feelings. Despite knowing all this time that I did not commit the act of rape, I have worked obsessively to learn from all of the backlash and to make sure that if I am to defend myself that I am truly innocent of this. I know that when I was 18 I was not always considerate emotionally, but I know that in this situation I acted responsibly and consensually. None of the things people have tried to do over two years -- cancelling some shows, writing nasty message board posts, feigned "protests", etc -- has or will change the fact that I still never ever raped anyone in my whole life. No allegation has indicated that this supposed incident was six years ago and that creating some kind of approach, at this point, that is to teach me a lesson about things that happened then isn't going anything to properly address whatever issue would now be in the distant past. I am a very different person today than I was then, and furthermore the guy then didn’t deserve that kind of treatment either. Given the same circumstances today I would not have made the choice of partners or lifestyle I had when I was 18; I was precarious and very open to whoever would have me. But life develops and we learn from those choices. I have grown as most people would have grown in six years time. Anything you wish to make me accountable for I've already been accountable for nine times over and I assure you whatever actions people choose take now isn't going to change the fact that I didn't commit the act of rape then or now. I do not support rape nor any kind of hateful, hurtful, or violent treatment towards women. I have always believed that as men we have a responsibility to treat women in a way that is as good if not better than we are to be treated. There are unjust things that happen in this world, and it is a sad state of affairs. In the past I have been very outspoken about all genders treating each other with fairness and empathy. I believe that both sexes harm each other as well as improve each other in various ways and that it is on both sides to be fair, open, and honest with one another. There is a right and a wrong way to handle things. I believe what has been happening in response to these rumors is a great example of how –not- to handle things. No good has come of this, and many people have been hurt because of irresponsible, unjustified, and illogical responses to the grapevine. My friends, band mates, lovers, peers, and others have been threatened and berated over this. It is not fair to them, it is not fair to me, and it is not fair to you people who are brought into this bedlam. There are real injustices and atrocities going on in this world that would have and will be served to be better attended to than these ultimately false accusations. My email address is fireandjail@yahoo.com. In two years only two people have actually attempted to discuss the matter with me personally and discreetly. If you’d like to do so, this address and that method would be how. Thanks for reading this and I hope you will see what I intend to say and where I have come from. ~~ joe meant no harm in making this thread..but all it did was open up a can of worms |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:02pm - kok ""] welp....there ya go. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:02pm - kok ""] Im such a faggot. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:03pm - kok ""] k, go! |
| _______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:03pm - hoser ""] I do think that Nick's integrity as a human is much more important. Although I hate to disagree with you Succi, as you are a cool chicky. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:08pm - BestialOnslaught ""] what tim was said:but what, besides this girl kate's word do you have? and how reliable is that word? i can tell you right now nick cares way too much about people to do something like that As I said, it seems like there are a handful of incidences and it seems like a pattern of behavior. An isolated incident is hard to judge things by, but it seems like someone like Jonah Bloodbath (mind you, someone who I've had a lot of disagreements with), who USED to be Nick's best friend could give you some insight. If you think I'm trying to demean his friends, you're dead wrong. I don't believe in any blackballing or witch-hunt shit, but there comes a time when you've gotta own up to shitty behavior, even if it's just an issue of the past. His own explanations for the issue, like what was quoted above, might settle it for some of you, and that's fine. As I said, I don't really blame anyone for taking a friend's word and giving them the benefit of the doubt. However, usually when there's smoke there's fire... And a good handful of people who I consider on the level have painted a very different picture. Believe what you will. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:18pm - BestialOnslaught ""] I'm done with this thread for now, it's been interesting... My main reason for getting involved was basically to say that there are definitely multiple sides to every story and that there's no taking this shit for granted either way. You're all welcome to take Nick's words at face value, but it seems like there are a lot of people who did that in the past and now regret it. Maybe they're all full of shit and I have no idea what I'm talking about though. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:18pm - dwellingsickness ""] BestialOnslaught said: He has had ample opportunities to address the issue on this board though. as it is posted above , he did address it on here, which he did not have to do, it is no ones business but the people involved, and you are not one of them. If this was you, I am certain you would not want this out on a public forum, It is a personal and private issue. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:20pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Is it private if it's true? Or just if it's false? |
| _______________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:21pm - what tim was ""] fair enough, i just believe that in general people are fake and do what they think will up their own status in life, not saying you do, but honestly people are shitty, and overall i don't for one second believe any of these accusations. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:24pm - dwellingsickness ""] private in a sense that you not being involved, should not be discussing it on here |
| ______________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:31pm - kok ""] dwellingsickness said:private in a sense that you not being involved, should not be discussing it on here OH SNAP~! |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 8:43pm - BestialOnslaught ""] To an extent you're right. I let the fact that I like to bust this kid's balls get the better of me and I feel like a real dick for bringing up names. On the other hand, considering his show that he was spamming on this board is getting boycotted on another board, it's already sort of a public issue. I'm going to leave it alone from here on though... These arguments are interesting, but I'm really not out to prove anything... Anyone who wants to work with Nick, knock yourselves out, and best of luck. Bandmates, friends, same to you... More power to Nick to, if he's moved himself past all the bullshit of his past. But everyone... Just remember that it takes years to even begin to really know someone. [img] |
| __________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 9:04pm - succubus ""] good point there are 3 sides to every story.. my side their side and the truth |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 10:34pm - mOe in AMherst ""] Alex Onslaught needs a life outside of trying to ruin Nick's reputation |
| __________________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 11:16pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] there's tons of explanations by me there's like 3 on this board here are 2 I sent out: e: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:13:02 -0800 (PST) From: "N Cigarettes" <fireandjail@yahoo.com> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.com. Learn more Subject: Dialogue To: punk@abcnorio.org, fireandjail@yahoo.com Hi, my Name's Nicholas and I recently played a show at ABC No Rio last Saturday. When we arrived, a person from the Boston area, Janek, who has a gripe with me, apparently, told some members of the collective some pretty erroneous and hurtful things about me having done some pretty awful things, sexually, to one of his friends. It was brought to my attention that I would have to write to ABC No Rio and participate in a dialogue if I were to have any interest in playing there again. At first, I was receptive to the idea as it seemed like a means to an end. I understand the collective has a desire to be seen as a place that helps develop postive feelings and safety within the punk community, as well as the arts community as a whole. However, as I rode home to MA that night, I maintained this incredible feeling like I am still being beaten emotionally for something I did not do. I can't summarize in words how awful this experience has been for me, and how needlessly, as well as overwhelmingly, various persons from the Boston punk scene have treated me with undeserved disdain, slander, and negative fallout. I have been very upfront about trying to discuss this issue with parties involved. Yet, the person involved has not been receptive to that and has instead, via the internet, gossip at shows, etc etc spread this notion about me to places it need not go. The problem here is -- if you can momentarily accept for sake of argument that anything I say on this will be to the effect that i simply did not do what I am accused of doing -- that I am continuously made to feel more and more dehumanized by talking about every tiny detail of my private life with every person who decides to call themselves "punk". As a person that does not talk very openly about the sex I have had with people (I make a policy not to include people's names or the "gorey details" when it comes up for any reason, even casually) this has been a really, pardon my french, fucking horrendous experience. I feel stripped naked and pointed at, and since this has been going on for over a year now, I'm really, again pardon me, fucking sick of it. My feelings of discontent and insecurity have grown leaps and bounds. This experience is bringing out poor qualities in me as I feel depressed and shitty; like a kid that has been completely shitbeat for having spilled milk at dinner. The point is, I don't think it's ABC's place to ask me to describe, in detail, my sex life or any kind of private detail in order to "earn the right" to play there again. I am an active member of the music community, my band writes cerebral, intelligent music that is trying to expand on notions of composition and form, as well as true content in art. None of our songs are songs that spread hate, sexism, racism, or any of that ilk (you have our lyrics, you can see that for yourself). That said, this incident should have absolutely no bearing on ABC or my right to play there, in my opinion. I am not eager to discuss this ridiculous issue any further with the persons involved (all my previous attempts to do it in a respectable way such as email exchange, PMs through message boards, phone calls, mediators, etc have been rejected long ago), and I am irate with Janek who wrote my girlfriend a letter saying she shouldn't date me for a laundry list of reasons. This kind of behavior is hateful and harmful; it doesn't solve anything and just makes people feel like complete fucking shit. I pose no threat -- nor in ANY WAY does my band -- to the ABC Collective, nor would I in the future. I recognize the kinds of things it tries to do in the community; Myself and an ex-girlfriend were two of the co-founders of the Cambridge Food Not Bombs chapter here in MA; I have run a series of benefits for FNB, Books To Prison, The Lucy Parsons Center, and other such charitable organizations; My other project "How They Light Cigarettes In Prison" seeks to promote initiative in making and creating political and personal change. My girlfriend and I are monogomously (and quite seriously) involved, so "fear" that I might "harm" some female member of the community (which disgusts me to my very core that this would even be brought as a possiblity to you people) is out of the question. I hope that in consideration of all these things that ABC will consider what this kind of thing has done to me and realize that it serves no positive outcome in putting itself in a situation that does not, in any clear way, seem to involve it. I feel Janek was in the wrong to bring it to your attention, as it did not involve you in nature and still does not involve you in nature. At the very least I would appreciate if the need for me to write you a biopic on my sex life could be ommited and you could simply look at these credentials and believe that my presence in your community will be a great addition; or at the very minimum, at least not a harmful disturbance. It is easy to recognize that there could be no great problem caused by letting a soundly artistic and creative band occassionally play a 15 minute set at your venue for some like-minded individuals, some saturday here or there. Thank you for your time, Nicholas Cigarettes The Taste of Silver and the other one is on the other computer, and also this board. |
| __________________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 11:17pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] I just got home I can post more incontrovertable proof that I have attempted to contact people and deal with it (if anyone was there tonight, you know first hand I did) |
| __________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 11:30pm - pisscup ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said:there's tons of explanations by me there's like 3 on this board here are 2 I sent out: e: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:13:02 -0800 (PST) From: "N Cigarettes" <fireandjail@yahoo.com> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.com. Learn more Subject: Dialogue To: punk@abcnorio.org, fireandjail@yahoo.com Hi, my Name's Nicholas and I recently played a show at ABC No Rio last Saturday. When we arrived, a person from the Boston area, Janek, who has a gripe with me, apparently, told some members of the collective some pretty erroneous and hurtful things about me having done some pretty awful things, sexually, to one of his friends. It was brought to my attention that I would have to write to ABC No Rio and participate in a dialogue if I were to have any interest in playing there again. At first, I was receptive to the idea as it seemed like a means to an end. I understand the collective has a desire to be seen as a place that helps develop postive feelings and safety within the punk community, as well as the arts community as a whole. However, as I rode home to MA that night, I maintained this incredible feeling like I am still being beaten emotionally for something I did not do. I can't summarize in words how awful this experience has been for me, and how needlessly, as well as overwhelmingly, various persons from the Boston punk scene have treated me with undeserved disdain, slander, and negative fallout. I have been very upfront about trying to discuss this issue with parties involved. Yet, the person involved has not been receptive to that and has instead, via the internet, gossip at shows, etc etc spread this notion about me to places it need not go. The problem here is -- if you can momentarily accept for sake of argument that anything I say on this will be to the effect that i simply did not do what I am accused of doing -- that I am continuously made to feel more and more dehumanized by talking about every tiny detail of my private life with every person who decides to call themselves "punk". As a person that does not talk very openly about the sex I have had with people (I make a policy not to include people's names or the "gorey details" when it comes up for any reason, even casually) this has been a really, pardon my french, fucking horrendous experience. I feel stripped naked and pointed at, and since this has been going on for over a year now, I'm really, again pardon me, fucking sick of it. My feelings of discontent and insecurity have grown leaps and bounds. This experience is bringing out poor qualities in me as I feel depressed and shitty; like a kid that has been completely shitbeat for having spilled milk at dinner. The point is, I don't think it's ABC's place to ask me to describe, in detail, my sex life or any kind of private detail in order to "earn the right" to play there again. I am an active member of the music community, my band writes cerebral, intelligent music that is trying to expand on notions of composition and form, as well as true content in art. None of our songs are songs that spread hate, sexism, racism, or any of that ilk (you have our lyrics, you can see that for yourself). That said, this incident should have absolutely no bearing on ABC or my right to play there, in my opinion. I am not eager to discuss this ridiculous issue any further with the persons involved (all my previous attempts to do it in a respectable way such as email exchange, PMs through message boards, phone calls, mediators, etc have been rejected long ago), and I am irate with Janek who wrote my girlfriend a letter saying she shouldn't date me for a laundry list of reasons. This kind of behavior is hateful and harmful; it doesn't solve anything and just makes people feel like complete fucking shit. I pose no threat -- nor in ANY WAY does my band -- to the ABC Collective, nor would I in the future. I recognize the kinds of things it tries to do in the community; Myself and an ex-girlfriend were two of the co-founders of the Cambridge Food Not Bombs chapter here in MA; I have run a series of benefits for FNB, Books To Prison, The Lucy Parsons Center, and other such charitable organizations; My other project "How They Light Cigarettes In Prison" seeks to promote initiative in making and creating political and personal change. My girlfriend and I are monogomously (and quite seriously) involved, so "fear" that I might "harm" some female member of the community (which disgusts me to my very core that this would even be brought as a possiblity to you people) is out of the question. I hope that in consideration of all these things that ABC will consider what this kind of thing has done to me and realize that it serves no positive outcome in putting itself in a situation that does not, in any clear way, seem to involve it. I feel Janek was in the wrong to bring it to your attention, as it did not involve you in nature and still does not involve you in nature. At the very least I would appreciate if the need for me to write you a biopic on my sex life could be ommited and you could simply look at these credentials and believe that my presence in your community will be a great addition; or at the very minimum, at least not a harmful disturbance. It is easy to recognize that there could be no great problem caused by letting a soundly artistic and creative band occassionally play a 15 minute set at your venue for some like-minded individuals, some saturday here or there. Thank you for your time, Nicholas Cigarettes The Taste of Silver and the other one is on the other computer, and also this board. I'm a bit confused about how you can refuse to talk about your "sex life" when someone is accusing you of rape. I am very, very confused. What does rape have to do with sex??? Is that what you think it all boils down to? |
| __________________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 11:45pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] I have been asked to talk about how I handle sex, what i do during sex, who I have had sex with, when I've had sex, what I did when I had sex with "unnamed punx womyn", what I like about sex, where I've had sex you've got a lot to learn about this whole thing if you think all that's happened is someone said I raped them, pisscup |
| __________________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 11:47pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] oh and also yes I've had to describe to ABC, in detail, "what went on" |
| _______________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 11:48pm - the_reverend ""] holy negative effect of what a thread is suppose to be about. note to parents, never get you kid Axe body wash. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 11:48pm - succubus ""] wow..someone emailed your gf..wtf??? |
| __________________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 11:56pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] the other one I just noticed that Succubus found on here, Thanks Carina In the past three years, I've: 1)Called the parties involved 2) called accusers involved 3) emailed parties involved 4) posted on message boards that these people used asking them to have a discussion with me 5) talked to an "viceroy" they enlisted to talk to me (it didn't go anywhere, I told them I'd sit down with them and they never responded) 6) Written public releases like the above I've played ball with the PUNX on this for a while, but to no avail. I have never sexually assaulted a woman nor would I ever. tonight, there was a discussion about this 50ft from where I stood which I was not invited to. Thankfully, some friends managed to negotiate some terms which we could agree to. i was made to read a statement I had negotiated through a third party in front of an audience tonight. It is reprised below for anyone not in attendance: "I have been accused of sexaul assault / rape. My band and myself do not condone sexual assault. This is not the end. This is the first step to working on a very serious issue. It is my responsibility to address these issues with the concerned parties through a mediator if necessary" after 3 years, this is the first step they have ever taken to confront this in a positive way. ... and all it took was us asking them 1000 times tonight to do that. |
| __________________________________________________ [Apr 23,2006 11:59pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] succubus said:wow..someone emailed your gf..wtf??? yup, and without going into details, TWO girls I've dated were harassed about this in the past few years. I had to call my aunt and tell her not to come to the show tonight. These people have hurt others because of their jihad. This is totally without merit, and I think everyone has a right to know this is how these individuals choose to deal with a problem like this. Also, I want to make this very clear, I WAS NEVER TOLD BY THESE PEOPLE THAT I WAS BEING ACCUSED OF RAPE. I found that out after the fact and they followed through on the stories only after I posted on Board.HP about this. |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:00am - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] hoser said:Did she prosecute, Pisscup? Did she or not? what does that matter, in HS a friend of mine had her top ripped right off her by strangers at a beach and had to swim in to stop them. so we all saw that and stopped anything further from happening by a bunch of drunk doods. because she didnt prosecute them does that mean what we all saw didnt really happen. sometimes a girl doesnt wanna get in front of a courtroom and say she was powerless and was raped. ever think of that genius |
| __________________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:11am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] AlexOnslaught - 04/23/06 at 06:46 pm (209.6.176.219) Did you read my post Peter? I obviously was not getting into a serious discussion of the details of this crap, and the alternative show they've presented is even worse than the original event. I just support pushing the poser-rapist in question out of any and every scene. |
| __________________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:13am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] ted_danson - 04/23/06 at 07:31 pm (24.218.100.49) as someone who knows the alleged "rapist" for over two and a half years now...(dated him for 1.5 of those years) i can't say im not biased. however, i agree with the people who question if what happened really did happen. for one. there was that massive thread started about it probably almost a year ago now...even maybe longer than that. whenever the alleged person WOULD write his response or would try to explain what happened, it was often overlooked or looked down on because what he would write happened to be extremely long or thorough... also, the person in question had had many falling outs with various members of the boston scene. this automatically put him in a negative light to many people, because he had acted shittilyin the past. i'm not discrediting anyone, but maybe people should stick to the whole "innocent until proven guilty thing" |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:13am - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] yeah for people who dont wanna actually know what happend |
| __________________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:14am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] omar - 04/23/06 at 08:17 pm (207.180.183.162) the reason this bothers me is that the accused has continuously tried to talk to people about this (stemming from when this was first talked about on honeypump over a year ago) and all that happens on the other side (to the extent that i know) is him being critized. there hasn't been a dialogue about it and so this crap is not only still in the air, but people who don't even know him continue to harbor negative feelings toward him. that said. there are a few things i would like to bring up. the alleged person isn't the only person who is being affected by this at all. his entire band is, and in addition to other bands on the bill. from what i know people, who will remain un-naimed, went to re-gen destroyed a bunch of the taste of silver/agahnim(sp?) spilts and made a point for them not to be carried anymore. bullshit? so not only is it the alleged person who's getting shit for this, it's everyone else in his band, and not to mention other bands who have nothing to do with it. nonsense. really productive. good job. ruin the creative capability that is the only thing this person has left to hang on to. |
| _______________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:15am - the_reverend ""] whoahwhoahwhoahwhoahwhoahwhoah whoah wait a second. nick likes giols? when the heck did that happen? I though everyone in motion sickness liked dudes. oh what a fool I've been. I though jonah would talk to nick cause their relationship ended badly. what an idiot I've been. and W3 if there are no pictures it didn't happen. you want boob stories, talk to carina she's got a double d sized set of stories about perverted old guys grabbing at he young melons to see if they are ripe. |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:19am - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] the_reverend said: W3 if there are no pictures it didn't happen. you want boob stories, talk to carina she's got a double d sized set of stories about perverted old guys grabbing at he young melons to see if they are ripe. yeah i imagine so, my friend was just as blessed/cursed as Carina. so i can only imagine growing up in italy how much more fun Carina had. yeah for retardness with the internet. this is supposed be a way to cure boredom not create it, youre all ruining my sunday night. assholes ha |
| __________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:31am - sxealex ""] carina is from italy? |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:37am - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] maybe i dont know, im just using my vast knowledge of not knowing her to guess. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:38am - RichHorror ""] sxealex said:carina is from italy? [img] |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:40am - succubus ""] yes i'm italian when i lived there i did get grabbed, groped, etc. just walking down the street. sucked and made me walk with a slight hunch for a long time, but anyhow |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:41am - RichHorror ""] I get grabbed everywhere I go. Usually by police. |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:43am - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] succubus said:yes i'm italian when i lived there i did get grabbed, groped, etc. just walking down the street. sucked and made me walk with a slight hunch for a long time, but anyhow not agreeing Nick did anything but by logic in this thread since you didnt call the cops and report it. i guess it didnt really happen. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:44am - sxealex ""] i understand italian and both my parents teach it.. i used to get tons italian metal kids on my metal server and they would post in italian for somereason... hardly any other languages came on... |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:44am - succubus ""] i didn't need cops...if i was with a male relative..whoever did it would get punched |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:46am - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] succubus said:i didn't need cops...if i was with a male relative..whoever did it would get punched id imagine so......but dont you know kung fu anyways |
| ______________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:53am - cav ""] i think that posts about this issue should be banned from rttp...this has nothing to do with music at all...im not even going to bother stating my opinion because all it does is fuel the fire. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:58am - Sacreligion ""] [img] |
| __________________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:59am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] HAHAHAH YES!!!!!! I was like "Why the fuck hasn't anyone BLOGPIC'd this shit??" lol |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 1:00am - Sacreligion ""] i was wondering the same thing and felt compelled to oblige |
| _________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 1:01am - sxealex ""] i just ate my slice of bread into a honda symbol |
| _________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 1:01am - sxealex ""] munch munch mmm reliability |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 1:03am - Sacreligion ""] ha |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 1:14am - diamond_dave ""] well here's one that should throw you all for a loop: i have no beef or even any opinion of BestialOnslaught or pisscup. i don't know either of these guys personally. although i will say they both seem from what i've seen on here to be pretty well-adjusted, level-headed guys. hoser, i've met you in person and i like you, you seem like a solid guy, but i think you've been pretty immature in this thread. i never knew nick before a year or so ago, and i still don't know him well enough to judge. so i don't know what he was like back then, but he definitely seems like a sincere person to me. but of course you never know. of all the people involved here, i have known none longer than the person who accused nick. i know nothing of the events that are being discussed here, but i can tell you that this girl and i had some mutual friends, so we used to hang out and what not. i happen to know that she is a compulsive liar, and also has a reputation of promiscuity. i know of many people who have decided stop being her friend because of her behavior, myself included (i could give a fuck if someone sleeps around, but the constant storytelling was too much). i never heard any stories from her of this type, and again, people can change. but when i knew her (about 3-4 years ago) she was definitely not a credible person at all. edit: i'd like to add, that the fact that she doesn't seem willing to resolve anything, even to say "fuck you nick" seems to support this. i know you can't exactly "resolve" a rape if it is true, but you know what i mean. |
| _____________________________ [Apr 24,2006 1:19am - cav ""] im not surprized |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 1:23am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] diamond_dave said:of all the people involved here, i have known none longer than the person who accused nick. i know nothing of the events that are being discussed here, but i can tell you that this girl and i had some mutual friends, so we used to hang out and what not. i happen to know that she is a compulsive liar, and also has a reputation of promiscuity. i know of many people who have decided stop being her friend because of her behavior, myself included (i could give a fuck if someone sleeps around, but the constant storytelling was too much). i never heard any stories from her of this type, and again, people can change. but when i knew her (about 3-4 years ago) she was definitely not a credible person at all. she started this rumor exactly that time frame ago, around 2002-2003 |
| __________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 1:26am - brian_dc ""] This has been a long day for everyone involved. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 1:26am - Sacreligion ""] i raped myself about the same time |
| ________________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 1:27am - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] the_reverend said:dundundun |
| __________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 1:27am - brian_dc ""] you might think that jokes about this are funny, but you're pretty much wrong. |
| ________________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 1:31am - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] yeah did you guys even get to play the rest of that show today. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 1:34am - brian_dc ""] yeah. the show went on. These Are: , my band, and TTOS played with an announcement regarding the issue this thread is about preceding it. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 1:35am - brian_dc ""] Infantile Prostitute dropped off and I'm not sure what happened to Disaster Strikes |
| ________________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 1:40am - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] brian_dc said:Infantile Prostitute dropped off and I'm not sure what happened to Disaster Strikes yeah we left when IP dropped off and couldnt stand being there with the retardedness going on. plus you folks hadnt shown up yet so we figured it was a no go. |
| _________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 1:40am - sxealex ""] yea we did... honestly i think alot of people support nick and a selective group of people have black listed him and then there are a few people just being dick heads because its fun. id like to stop talking about it till we can futher discuss it with those people who have promised(on the terms that nick said that stuff he said b4 the set) to FINALLY have, after YEARS of attempts by him and us to have an open discussion with nick and some of his friends. more people involved = more drama. so if you wanna say u support nick go ahead start a poll for that but enough discussion and attention to the matter. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 1:43am - brian_dc ""] whiskey_weed_and_women said:brian_dc said:Infantile Prostitute dropped off and I'm not sure what happened to Disaster Strikes yeah we left when IP dropped off and couldnt stand being there with the retardedness going on. plus you folks hadnt shown up yet so we figured it was a no go. Yeah, Nick was nice enough to let us know that there was shit going down so we wouldn't possibly waste gas to drive up to a show that wouldn't happen. So we waited for the official call that it was still going on. So yeah, we got there pretty late. Sorry we didn't get to see you Sean. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 1:43am - brian_dc ""] and Alex(edit: sxealex), you're totally right. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 1:44am - Sacreligion ""] brian_dc said:you might think that jokes about this are funny, but you're pretty much wrong. but it's the internet! |
| _________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 1:51am - sxealex ""] [img] |
| __________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 2:00am - brian_dc ""] sxealex said:[img] I like this one better than the Asian posing his face off in hyperspace. |
| _________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 2:10am - sxealex ""] mee too that kids makes me angry. this one makes me laugh like as if that guy has a limp dick. |
| _________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 2:11am - sxealex ""] i wish it had a thought bubble that said "Erection!" |
| __________________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 10:59am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] since I would never have a fair day in court on Board.HP, I submit this for your consideration: katiekay - 04/24/06 at 10:12 am (68.9.230.75) so, i admittedly only read half of this thread. but i had to stop real quick and address the bullshit that omar is throwing out there. omar - 04/23/06 at 08:17 pm (207.180.183.162) the reason this bothers me is that the accused has continuously tried to talk to people about this (stemming from when this was first talked about on honeypump over a year ago) and all that happens on the other side (to the extent that i know) is him being critized. there hasn't been a dialogue about it and so this crap is not only still in the air, but people who don't even know him continue to harbor negative feelings toward him. The Accused not only refused to talk about it for over a year, but when he did he straight up denied it and in turn called me a liar and a slut. he also made repeated attempts to get in touch with me to give me shit and threaten me, not communicate about what happened in the past and what we both wanted to happen in the future. so yeah, he got criticized a little bit. when he brought this to the board by creating a thread about how he was the victim, he caught more shit, by more people, because HE chose to talk about the situation on the internet where people that he had wronged in various ways happened to post, so that he could further his harassment of them. some of those people told him off. compare that to this: "Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:15:31 -0800 (PST) From: "N Cigarettes" <fireandjail@yahoo.com> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert Subject: hey there To: kay@riseup.net Hey Katie This is Nicholas. I've heard you've been pretty angry at me and I don't know why. Everyone just says, "Don't talk to Katie, she's pissed at you!" and no one says why when I ask. What the hell did I do? Furthermore why haven't you told me? Last time we hung out we were getting along well, so is everyone just being stupid? I'll be at the meal today and maybe you could talk to me then. Or try calling me and giving me some way to get in touch with you. Or failing that, just email me. But for god's sake, if you're pissed at someone, at least tell them! 617 918 7797 voice mail your friend (to the best of my knowledge), Nicholas PS - I thought you said you liked the poem I wrote you but Colleen said you hated it. I'm sorry you didn't like it but I thought it was pretty good and I wrote it to cheer you up. Backfire..." also the new year's eve in question was NYE 2004, not 2003. That's my mistake, the evening was in 2003 and the NYD was in 2004. this means whatever statements she made were in the beginning of 2004. |
| ___________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 11:21am - these_are_fucked ""] All in all it seems that Nick has been mroe than reasonable, as he was last night when he was trying (through me and others) to get access to a discussion with his accusers. Repeatedly, Nick asked me to pass along word that he wanted to talk with the group that was congregating in the PZL. And repeatedly, the group in the PZL told me that they couldn't, or wouldn't talk to him directly. Instead, they were intent on "outing him" for the issues that have been discussed here. When I asked them to create a discussion that was not focused on Nick, I was accused of suppressing their free speech. When, seconds later, they were discussing how they didn't want Nick to be there, his own right to speech was ignored. True rights for all people, of all genders, races, etc, can't be achieved until the abusers of those rights can realize the harm that they inflict upon other people. The people who got up and spoke last night looked mean and vindictive to all of us in attendance because they were. For whatever Nick did to these people in the past, he has been (and was last night) completely willing to talk to those people. Their response? "He can't say he didn't do it." Which is a classy way of saying Nick was fucked over even before he stepped foot into the DC last night. The reason these people stand as abusers of equality, and not the guardians of it, is that they are using the rhetoric of feminism and equality to apply to their own personal grudges. They do not want the situation resolved, because that would mean Nick could be left alone. They do not want to go to the authorities, because from what I can tell, theres no case to be made that Nick did anything wrong. They simply want to make Nick's life hell. All I have to say is, since when were we all the judge and jury for each other's pasts. |
| ________________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 11:24am - slowlypeelingtheflesh ""] there should be a douche bag filter on this board. about 80% of people would not be able to post here. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 11:45am - CTborderpatrol ""] its the poem dude. dudes who write poetry always get fucked over. |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 11:59am - Joe/NotCommon ""] slowlypeelingtheflesh said:there should be a douche bag filter on this board. about 80% of people would not be able to post here. Including me. Sorry I made this thread, I was trying to stick up for Nick. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:03pm - dreadkill ""] slowlypeelingtheflesh said:there should be a douche bag filter on this board. about 80% of people would not be able to post here. my IP address would be banned. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:04pm - dreadkill ""] Joe/NotCommon said:slowlypeelingtheflesh said:there should be a douche bag filter on this board. about 80% of people would not be able to post here. Including me. Sorry I made this thread, I was trying to stick up for Nick. you're a good man, joe. |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 24,2006 12:31pm - Josh_hates_you ""] drama is gay. im not wasting the time to read this bullshit. but i will add to it. nick ciggs touched my penis once. borderline rape if you ask me. |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 2:37pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] Subject: Hello please read IMPORTANT From: "cuntree club" <punxisladies@gmail.com> Date: Mon, April 24, 2006 3:41 pm To: "booking@therobotoproject.org" <booking@therobotoproject.org> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello I am writting on behalf of a collective of people from the boston area in regaurds to a band that is scheduled to play your space June 1 or 2 of this summer. The band in question is A Taste Of Silver. The reason I am writting is because the guitar player for this band has been brought up on charges of sexual assault and has just recently started the long process of being held accountable. In order for his band to be allowed to play shows here (and they aren't allowed to play many spaces still) The band must post a statement on their website or merchtable ,that was read aloud by the perpatrator on 4/23/06 that shows that the band supports his efforts to hold himself accountable for his actions. Stating that he is aware that he has been called out as a rapist, and that he and his band does not condone or support that behavior, that he cares what his community thinks of him and that he will do anything he can to learn about why he was called out, and about respecting boundries so that nothing like this will happen again. Also he will support the survivor and adhear to their needs or requests, especially in the matters of not speaking to them or visiting them uninvited. Also befor the band plays the perpetrator should read a short statement along the same lines, in no way should he mention any admission of guilt or innocence, there is to be no debate over whether or not anything happened, the fact of his being accused is all there is to be stated. We would very much appreciate your support on this issue and holding this man accountable for his actions, we are all working together to make the best of this situation and for the most part Nick *******, or Fast Eddie or Faust (all the same person) is trying to work with us as well. Thank you for reading this please get back to us with any questions/answers anything. Thanks again. Jennifer Marie Hardin Sarah Tetreau Sarah Okalita Leah Peacock Mary Rae Ruchti Julianna Englander Colleen Moriarty Jennifer McMahon Kyle Kubis Melissa Kent Wendy Wriot Ross Noyes Timmothy A. Banghart Terry Couzzo Scott Unless Erin A. Mike Reid Jeff Hall Sarah Delorey Rachel Wolfsy Ginn Norris Libby O'Flaurety Andrew Rogers Nicholas Murray Jill Muramo Matt Carrol Katie Kay Jeff Bramhall Ryan Abbot Rob Noyes Dave Sheehan Sue Jeivan Hannah Abeloe Matt Lieber Mark Borone Audrey Stitt Marianne Chimi Isreal Lundt Dominic Mango Joeseph White The Papercut Zine Library collective REgeneration Records store The cuntree club collective Boston MA |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 2:38pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] I put this up cause anyone there on Sunday is probably as surprised as I am that I was "required" to do any of this. I was not informed and am pissed now that they would do this during a process where we are negotiating what the fuck is going on |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 2:47pm - dwellingsickness ""] Those people on that list and everyone else, Is blowing this way out of proportion |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 2:52pm - anonymous ""] I bet all those bitches have fish breath cause it's the cool thing to do. Once the trend is dead, they will be driving mini-vans and taking the kids to soccer pratice. Asshole whores. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 2:52pm - dreadkill ""] fuck all those people. nobody should be treating nick like he's guilty. i'd play a show with TTOS and tell anyone who tried to make him read some kind of statement to go fuck themselves. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 2:54pm - RichHorror ""] Does anyone have phone numbers for these ladies? I'd like to organize a meeting with each one to sanely and maturely open the lines of discussion and debate on this issue. I am so alone. |
| ______________________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 2:55pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Nick, you should just tell all those people to eat your asshole. At least you're trying to rectify the situation, I doubt anyone else accused of raping someone by a group of people without a police investigation would even consider addressing the issue. |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 2:56pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] the mispellings on the names are great, it proves they actually were there when this was written! oh no wait it doesn't |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 2:57pm - Geraldo_Rivera ""] RichHorror said:Does anyone have phone numbers for these ladies? I'd like to organize a meeting with each one to sanely and maturely open the lines of discussion and debate on this issue. I am so alone. fuck brids. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 2:57pm - RichHorror ""] Seeing Jeff Hall associated with this witch hunt is the least shocking thing of all time. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 2:58pm - the_reverend ""] the US judicial system is awesome! Guilty until proven innocent has gotten reigned supreme in the past 15 years. forget that innocent until proven guilty. that's soooo 18th century. |
| ______________________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 3:06pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] I will never get tired of posting this in threads about women [img] |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 3:07pm - dwellingsickness ""] BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:I doubt anyone else accused of raping someone by a group of people without a police investigation would even consider addressing the issue. He should try and get them for slander or something |
| ______________________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 3:10pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] He definately should, it seriously affects his ability to live his life and he is a private citizen. Private citizens win something like 95% of all slander and libel cases they bring against others. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 3:17pm - dreadkill ""] it has gotten to the point of nick not being able to enjoy his hobby of playing shows with his band without having people give him a hard time. everybody involved in this needs to come clean and give nick the opportunity to clear his name. it's not right. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 3:22pm - anonymous ""] couple of things - if this girl really was raped, and she's out there telling anyone who will listen, maybe she should have reported it and helped prevent it happening to anyone else. second, if I were with a guy and he started jerking off in a trashcan, I'd just walk away...nothing uncomfortable about that. actually, I'd probably just laugh....but it takes a lot to make me uncomfortable.... |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 3:27pm - dreadkill ""] jerking off in trash cans is awesome and legal. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 3:34pm - anonymous ""] well, not if it's done in public. pissing in public can get you on the sex offender list as it's indecent exposure. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 3:37pm - dreadkill ""] i meant in private |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 3:38pm - anonymous ""] um, couple of things here - so now everyone is this guy's judge and jury before he's even found guilty? second, someone calls themselves CUNTree club and doesn't see that as being insensitive to women, or something that may make some women feel uncomfortable? |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 3:41pm - anonymous ""] if this guy hasn't been accused in a court, or she hasn't even filed a report with the police, he's got a great case for civil court. he's got specific comments made here and on the honeypump board to back him up. shit, both boards are open to being sued. y'all are fairly stupid for not locking this shit down and nipping it in the bud until some resolution comes. Not to mention, this girl's "friends" are fucking up any case she does have. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 3:43pm - anonymous ""] to nick, if you did do these things - change your ways and apologize to this girl. then thank fucking god that you have all this crap to show your lawyer. any good lawyer will be able to spin the shit out of all these posts. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 3:47pm - anonymous ""] and for those of you boycotting his band, I hope you boycott every other band that has a rapist in it. I don't want to see anyone humming any gary glitter or deicide. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 3:56pm - brian_dc ""] calling themselves "Cuntree Club" is actually perfectly cohesive with the feminist movement. Every since Eve Ensler's Vagina Monologues came out, there has been the theme of reclaiming the word "cunt" from negative usage. Nick, I am surprised that they would want to require you to do this after Sunday. It seems that Sunday was supposed to open the door to communication and a step towards resolution of the issue. Again, perhaps not surprisingly, it seems that the goal is more to run your name through the mud. Maybe on some level they hope that it will raise more awareness, but I'm not willing to support that assumption. I'll be at an event tonight where victims of rape tell their stories in public. I think this is an important issue, I've devoted a good deal of my time to supporting rape victims. However, I stand by Nick, happen to believe Nick, and support him. That's just my rant. |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 4:02pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] anonymous - I have changed my ways, and I have apologize (I posted part of that apology above). I've gone through therapy, cleaned up, and this supposedly took play when I was 18. I will be 25 next month. I've made a lot of progress in my life, and though I have never sexually assaulted a woman nor would I ever, it still makes sense to note how far I've come since then. brian - were I not where I am without a car, I would go to something like that to. As you personally know, the sad truth is I am very much in favor of women's rights and freedoms, and also very much against sexual assault on any level. This is sad because even when I try to help out these causes I believe in, these people still try to undermine me. Sunday I had spoken with the promoter about making the show a benefit for a women's shelter, yet these people tried to shut it down anyway. What is their goal?! |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 4:03pm - anonymous ""] I'm actually a rape survivor. I was gang raped by "friends". With that said, I would never bad mouth one of them in public, or in a public forum. I know they did it, they know they did it. If I saw a female friend getting close to them, perhaps I'd warn her. But, to color everyone, even people they couldn't possibly rape against them? That's not for me to do. Don't judge lest ye be judged or some such garbage. fuck the feminist movement. the word cunt has always been used in a derogatory fashion, it was never a non-derogatory term. there is nothing to reclaim. it's like the ridiculousness of there being good and bad use of the word nigger. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 4:04pm - dreadkill ""] i don't support anyone who wants nick to wear a scarlet letter for something he hasn't been convicted of. fuck these people and fuck brids too. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 4:08pm - anonymous ""] Nick, I'm glad you've gotten yourself cleaned up and gone through therapy. Perhaps this girl needs some therapy to let go and move on. I wear my rape like a badge now - learn from it, help others. It has nothing to do with the guys who raped me, they don't get to be that important. It's inconsequential who they are. Sometimes the best you can do is say "you know, I didn't think I was assaulting you, I'm sorry that's how you felt...I'm sorry I hurt you, I didn't set out to". She doesn't ever have to forgive you, but, she shouldn't be trying forever to hurt you either. Two wrongs don't make a right. Shit, I'd be ecstatic if any of the guys in my instance recognized they did wrong, never mind apologize for it. Not that I need it now, but, it wouldn't hurt. |
| ________________________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 4:13pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] i just wanna say cake rules |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 4:22pm - RichHorror ""] I was raped by brids as a young girl. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 4:23pm - dreadkill ""] RichHorror said:I was raped by brids as a young girl. by brids, do you mean me? |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 4:24pm - RichHorror ""] That ah... is exactly what I typed. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 4:28pm - anonymous ""] and talk about hypocrisy, there is someone on here that always busts Nick for being a rapist but he himself writes songs about rape being funny. if anything is going to be boycotted, don't you think a group perpetuating the misogyny that sometimes supports these guys thinking it's their right to assault women a good place to start? not all rapists are nature, some surely are nurture - goaded on by people with similar ideology. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 4:29pm - RichHorror ""] I never bust on Nick for being a rapist. |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 4:32pm - Geraldo_Rivera ""] Richard Horror was raped by brids when he was a young girl. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 4:34pm - RichHorror ""] Truth. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 4:35pm - RichHorror ""] You know, its not always Richard Horror that gets raped. Sometimes, it's the nuns. |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 4:38pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] anonymous said:Nick, I'm glad you've gotten yourself cleaned up and gone through therapy. Perhaps this girl needs some therapy to let go and move on. I wear my rape like a badge now - learn from it, help others. It has nothing to do with the guys who raped me, they don't get to be that important. It's inconsequential who they are. Sometimes the best you can do is say "you know, I didn't think I was assaulting you, I'm sorry that's how you felt...I'm sorry I hurt you, I didn't set out to". She doesn't ever have to forgive you, but, she shouldn't be trying forever to hurt you either. Two wrongs don't make a right. Shit, I'd be ecstatic if any of the guys in my instance recognized they did wrong, never mind apologize for it. Not that I need it now, but, it wouldn't hurt. I will write something like that ASAP, thank you for the advice. That is very close to how I feel and what I think is worth reiterating. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 4:47pm - anonymous ""] I just wish I knew this girl - if she really was violated, and this is how she is reacting years later, it's time for her to find some peace. she needs counseling that she obviously never got. If she wasn't really violated, I'd tell her to stop being such a cunt. I had friends in college who were "date raped" every weekend when they got drunk. Remorseful for sleeping around was more like it. I was always saying "why don't you report it?" or "why do you continue to get drunk to blackout then?" As a rape survivor, it made me crazy. It wasn't my fault that I was raped, but I didn't help matters by getting as drunk as I did, and frankly, they never tried that shit the thousand times I hung out with them sober. You can't just expect people to do the right thing. somewhere you need to take responsibility for yourself. fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me, right? |
| __________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 4:50pm - brian_dc ""] I agree but think it has to go both ways. Women need to get educated on the risks, and guys need to get educated about rape. Not the way they do now. Everytime people talk about rape to guys it's like...watch out, don't do this because you might get caught. It never addresses that it's not ok to do the action. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 4:52pm - RichHorror ""] I go both ways. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 4:56pm - dreadkill ""] i knew that was coming. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 4:58pm - RichHorror ""] Mmmmmmmmmmmm. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 27,2006 5:00pm - Murph ""] If you read that list, there's a person with the last name Banghart. I can almost bet he's the one responsible for this incredulous shit. Kill him. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 5:06pm - anonymous ""] I agree with the education thing. Wholeheartedly. This guy seems remorseful that he hurt someone, intentional or not. He seems open to all sorts of suggestion about educating himself or getting counseling. In my view, that's actually more meaningful an outcome than getting a guy thrown in jail where he'll learn nothing, get no counselling and just grow more resentful and violent. |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 5:14pm - Geraldo_Rivera ""] Richard just admitted that he goes both ways. on the internet. internet = truth |
| ______________________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 5:15pm - The Voice of Reason ""] 1. If he did indeed do it then either press charges or castrate him. Talking shit will not settle this. 2. Nick you should sue if the incident never happened. 3. Kok, I am sorry to break it to you bud, but she does not have the power to PROSECUTE. Only the DA's office can do that. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 27,2006 5:17pm - KeithMutiny ""] Im looking at this from a completely outside view, i know who all the people involved are, but personally have nothing to do with it, and to be honest... It seems to me that nick is innocent. soley based on the "trial" that seems to be unfolding. And as for people starting shit and even deciding nick needed a trial, FUCK YOU, seriously, go fucking find something else to amuze yourself. Its none of your buisness, no matter which side your friends with. Get your fuckin face out of peoples lives, if she was so fuckin hurt by this alleged rape, then she can fucking say something, and do something, about it. Im so fucking sick of fucking hearing this shit, shut the fuck up. |