2005 NEMHF news thread[views:129740][posts:245]______________________________________ [Nov 14,2004 4:04pm - the_reverend ""] it'll be three days. April 22(fri), 23(sat), 24(sun) the line up for sunday is almost all set. the hypocrisy and the king diamond tours! |
| ________________________________ [Nov 14,2004 4:15pm - retzam ""] I'll probably just go whatever night Cryptopsy headline, and if they don't headline a night, then I will burn the Palladium down. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 14,2004 4:21pm - the_reverend ""] no you wont the palladium is made of asbestos! try to burn that mofo |
| ________________________________ [Nov 14,2004 5:04pm - JayTUS ""] Yeah when I heard about the Hypocrisy tour I figured it would be at Metalfest. Is it an all day thing again? |
| __________________________________ [Nov 14,2004 5:08pm - succubus ""] we got the scoop first hand last night |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 14,2004 5:21pm - Jellyfish ""] the_reverend said:it'll be three days. April 22(fri), 23(sat), 24(sun) the line up for sunday is almost all set. the hypocrisy and the king diamond tours! you mean the tour with nile and what not? If yes, then nice. |
| _______________________________ [Nov 14,2004 5:25pm - eddie ""] fuck i don't want to pay fest price just to see king diamond. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 14,2004 5:26pm - ninkaszi ""] arghhhhhh now i have to go to this stuffed shit pool just to see king diamond? fuckin great. hopefully there will be something decent but my hopes are not high. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 14,2004 5:30pm - AUTOPSY_666 ""] Fuck that, I will drive to CT or NY. I boycott this shitfest every year. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 14,2004 5:34pm - the_reverend ""] AUTOPSY_666 said:I boycott this shitfest every year. and they are crying about this. seriously</sarcasm> |
| __________________________________ [Nov 14,2004 6:44pm - powerkok ""] oooh.....burn. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 14,2004 6:49pm - JayTUS ""] I love Metalfest. If I end up moving to Florida I am still coming up for it. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 14,2004 6:54pm - Wraithious ""] Sounds like it should be better than last year's fest, I'll most likly bew there. |
| _________________________________ [Nov 14,2004 7:38pm - Batboy ""] I too will have to go to this fagfest just to see King Diamond. I hope they do that thing where you can buy a headliner ticket only. |
| _______________________________ [Nov 14,2004 7:41pm - moran ""] King Diamond is worth sitting through it. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 14,2004 8:40pm - retzam ""] Batboy said:I too will have to go to this fagfest just to see King Diamond. I hope they do that thing where you can buy a headliner ticket only. Me too, I did that for Opeth in 2003. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 14,2004 8:41pm - retzam ""] Wait... it's November, isn't it a little early to be planning this.... and also, the fest always falls in May, and Cryptopsy said they're touring in February and March. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 14,2004 8:43pm - Kalopsia ""] what ever happened to the New Jersey Metal and Hardcore Fest???? |
| ________________________________ [Nov 14,2004 8:45pm - retzam ""] Too many good bands played, so no one went. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 8:13am - lynneaus ""] NJ wont happen again. this years fest is looking to be a lot more metal... and when u people hear some of the bands playing.,... im guessing a bunch of you will be there for a lot more than just King Diamond |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 8:20am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] oh what the fuck... I've been emailing those dudes for MONTHS to no reply, asking if it's too early to submit a demo or something. And then they go and start booking it solid! Yeesh! damn it. Anyone know contact info for this event? |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 8:22am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] meaning contact they reply to. I already have gay contact that they ignore, apparently. |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 8:28am - Joe/NotCommon ""] send your demo to Scott Lee at red rocket records |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 9:09am - dirteecrayon ""] lets hope for no blackouts this time --- bwahahahahaha |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 9:12am - Joe/NotCommon ""] I hope Lynneaus is telling the truth. King Diamond though, I will be going no matter what. |
| _______________________________ [Nov 15,2004 10:04am - nate ""] Joe/NotCommon said:send your demo to Scott Lee at red rocket records that never works, I've sent him recordings for 3 or 4 years now and he never even so much as says fuck off... |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 10:05am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Yeah but thats the only thing you can do, I think he will only put on bands he knows and likes. I'd say trying to get on it is pointless. |
| _______________________________ [Nov 15,2004 10:14am - nate ""] yeah but it doesn't hurt to try I guess, regardless of how shitty it is the exposure is decent... like they say any press is good press, even if they say you suck the fact is, they mentioned you and you get the exposure. I've already got a new pack ready for the mofo so we'll see what happens this year! |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 10:20am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Yeah, I am trying to get Raising Kubrick on it this year. |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 10:29am - the_reverend ""] here's the deal, scott lee is super super busy all the time. so mailing him cds and calling doesn't always work. here's the "best way" to get a band on NEMHF... buddy up with a band that does and can get shows at the fat cat through them. that's sort of what scott does to choose the local acts. it's from the bands that play the "minor leagues" at the fat cat. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 10:31am - dreadkill ""] i went to nj metalfest and it was good, way better than last year's new england metalcore and hardcore fest. they should do away with metalfest. it is getting gayer every year and the good bands who'd normally get headlining slots if their tour stopped here at a different time are getting 20 or 30 min sets half the time. king diamond better be the top headliner and play for more than an hour. |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 10:32am - Joe/NotCommon ""] the_reverend said:here's the deal, scott lee is super super busy all the time. so mailing him cds and calling doesn't always work. here's the "best way" to get a band on NEMHF... buddy up with a band that does and can get shows at the fat cat through them. that's sort of what scott does to choose the local acts. it's from the bands that play the "minor leagues" at the fat cat. Some bands don't want to buddy up with snooty metalcore bands though, they would rather just play with other snooty metal bands. |
| _________________________________________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 10:32am - inailed your girlfriend not logged on ""] Joe/NotCommon said:Yeah, I am trying to get Raising Kubrick on it this year. talk to the people over at red rocket records, i think that is who they are. |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 10:33am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Stephanie is on it, I actually don't do any of the work for my label. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 10:40am - Josh_Martin ""] I hate when a tour I might go see ends up as part of a festival. The ticket price gets doubled and all you get for it is 25 shitty opening bands. I liked the first year when they actually got bands that weren't just coming through on tour and I finally got to see Manowar. Taking 2 or 3 package tours and calling it a festival just seems half-assed to me. A good festival should have something major that you can't see anywhere else. I went to Milwaukee in 1998. They flew in Sodom, Destruction, Mayhem. Impaled Nazarene, and Emperor (pre-homosexuality). It was also Death's first show back together, Suffocation's last show, Brutal Truth's last U.S show, AND the one band that actually was on a full tour, Mercyful Fate, didn't play New England. Now that's how you do a fucking festival. Obviously Massconcerts couldn't pull something off on that scale but they should do SOMETHING to make it special. |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 10:41am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Unearth and the Red Chord's army of clones opening for King Diamond isn't special to you? |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 10:57am - lynneaus ""] lets just say ive been bitching about the past few years... and the bands ive heard so far.... i havent been bitching about |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 10:57am - Joe/NotCommon ""] lynneaus said:lets just say ive been bitching about the past few years... and the bands ive heard so far.... i havent been bitching about Tell us who they are looking at? |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 11:41am - dreadkill ""] am i playing¿ |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 12:08pm - Josh_Martin ""] Joe/NotCommon said:Unearth and the Red Chord's army of clones opening for King Diamond isn't special to you? Only if there are Shadows Fall clones too. Then it would be special. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 12:09pm - Josh_Martin ""] lynneaus said:lets just say ive been bitching about the past few years... and the bands ive heard so far.... i havent been bitching about Spill it or shut up about it. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 12:23pm - lynneaus ""] Josh_Martin said:lynneaus said:lets just say ive been bitching about the past few years... and the bands ive heard so far.... i havent been bitching about Spill it or shut up about it. yes because its much better to just randomly bitch about it when you know no one who is playing.... |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 12:25pm - kellthevalkyrie ""] If good bands > sucky bands, I will be there. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 12:29pm - Josh_Martin ""] lynneaus said:Josh_Martin said:lynneaus said:lets just say ive been bitching about the past few years... and the bands ive heard so far.... i havent been bitching about Spill it or shut up about it. yes because its much better to just randomly bitch about it when you know no one who is playing.... Based on the history of the past 4 years, everyone's bitching is completely warranted. If you want it to stop, give a reason. I just hate it when someone says they know something and then won't say what they know. What is the point of that? |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 1:31pm - dreadkill ""] last year's new england metal and hardcore fest was by far the worst show i have ever been to. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 1:37pm - lynneaus ""] i had fun last year.... anyone that didnt have fun during the blackout just put no effort into it... i hung out with so many people.... it was the 2004 version of heavy metal parkinglot... except there was less coke and more musicians from the bands playing hanging out |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 2:03pm - the_reverend ""] last year was the weakest link, musically as far as NEMHF go. hell, the people putting on the show even knew that. this year looks really really good so far... |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 3:10pm - kellthevalkyrie ""] I hope it's really good. I'd like to go again. Everytime I've gone to this fest I've had a blast...but I haven't been in a few years. I only go if there are enough bands that I like. You know, cause I'm poor. Must spend ticket money wisely. |
| _______________________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 3:35pm - coldnorthernvengeance ""] What's the line up? |
| ______________________________ [Nov 15,2004 4:00pm - blue ""] i miss the nj mhf from last november. one of the best times ive ever had. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 4:05pm - KeithMutiny ""] APRIL 22ND is my birthday... so all you remember to bring me a gift... |
| _____________________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 5:10pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] this year's metalfest was definitely the worst; no worthy headliners, shitty overpriced merch and a lot of dumbasses. at least i got some "bro" deals from some bands, got to see my girlfriend beat the shit out of 2 kids singlehandedly and saw a few good bands. i didn't hate the fest overall, but it wasn't my favorite. i guess i'm less picky when it comes to this stuff |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 5:53pm - intricateprocess ""] 3 days........ahh fuck............there better not be a shitty power outage again finally king diamond,finally can we get nasum this year? pretty fucking please? |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 5:54pm - kellthevalkyrie ""] blue said:i miss the nj mhf from last november. one of the best times ive ever had. AND HOW!! minus the hotel fiasco. :spineyes: |
| __________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 5:59pm - succubus ""] oh yeah, i remember that, but some people still managed to smuggle in lol |
| __________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 6:08pm - Kalopsia ""] intricateprocess said:3 days........ahh fuck............there better not be a shitty power outage again finally king diamond,finally can we get nasum this year? pretty fucking please? can we get good bands this year? you gotta start off small man |
| _______________________________ [Nov 15,2004 10:03pm - mOe ""] i was low on dough for the nj mhf which was why i was hopeing there'd be one this year...*sighs* I'm from jersey, so i would have had free rooming and everything *shakes head* |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 10:12pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Joe/NotCommon said:the_reverend said:here's the deal, scott lee is super super busy all the time. so mailing him cds and calling doesn't always work. here's the "best way" to get a band on NEMHF... buddy up with a band that does and can get shows at the fat cat through them. that's sort of what scott does to choose the local acts. it's from the bands that play the "minor leagues" at the fat cat. Some bands don't want to buddy up with snooty metalcore bands though, they would rather just play with other snooty metal bands. Yeah... I know the guy does a lot of work, but if he is genuinely interested in representing the real "local scene" of Metal and Hardcore, he should do more to find out what is out there than simply picking whatever DIECASTFALLSENGAGE bands are hot in the heterophobic Springfield scene at the moment. WATCHMAKER is perhaps the best drawing genuine Metal band from Mass., and I'd bet money they haven't been considered - unless Willowtip has been on Scott about it. There are plenty of local Metal bands around here that have been playing for awhile and "deserve" to be on it, but it's obviously not part of their M.O. in booking this fest, so fuck it. Let's get a real Metal fest going on in Boston... |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 15,2004 10:15pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Josh_Martin said:I hate when a tour I might go see ends up as part of a festival. The ticket price gets doubled and all you get for it is 25 shitty opening bands. I liked the first year when they actually got bands that weren't just coming through on tour and I finally got to see Manowar. Taking 2 or 3 package tours and calling it a festival just seems half-assed to me. A good festival should have something major that you can't see anywhere else. I went to Milwaukee in 1998. They flew in Sodom, Destruction, Mayhem. Impaled Nazarene, and Emperor (pre-homosexuality). It was also Death's first show back together, Suffocation's last show, Brutal Truth's last U.S show, AND the one band that actually was on a full tour, Mercyful Fate, didn't play New England. Now that's how you do a fucking festival. Obviously Massconcerts couldn't pull something off on that scale but they should do SOMETHING to make it special. Yeah, this is the thing I've hated about the fest, though frankly I stopped caring awhile back, cause even the touring bands on the fest weren't even worth seeing anyway. Koshick's business practices were sketchy and I never made it to one of his fests, but it's obviously worthwhile to fly 1/2 way across the country for a lot of one-off appearances from killer bands that never play in the country... So, as of now, NEMHCF has come nowhere close to booking the kind of lineups Koshick did in his hey-day in Milwaukee and New Jersey. Suckering a lot of kids into going doesn't a good fest make. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 16,2004 12:56am - dreadkill ""] blue said:i miss the nj mhf from last november. one of the best times ive ever had. i agree with you man. i had a blast at that fest last year. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 16,2004 7:29am - Kalopsia ""] dreadkill said:blue said:i miss the nj mhf from last november. one of the best times ive ever had. i agree with you man. i had a blast at that fest last year. as did i. why aren't they having one this year? |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 16,2004 9:02am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Wasnt the regular NJ fest the same weekend as the new england fest last year? I figured mass concerts did their own NJ fest to keep people from going to the normal NJ fest so they would come to the NE one. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 16,2004 9:08am - lynneaus ""] massconcerts did a NJ fest to try to branch out, as the past few years of NEMHF has sold out completely.... but the venue and their staff that was worked with last year at NJ caused more headaches than it was worth |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 16,2004 9:17am - the_reverend ""] I will not go to another MMF (yeah, watch me break that this year). I saw 72 bands one day and 54 the other.... it was 4 stages of constantly horrible sound and bands. when you think that each band there paid $1000 just to play that show... to 30 people... it sickens me. |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 16,2004 9:20am - kellthevalkyrie ""] the_reverend said:I will not go to another MMF (yeah, watch me break that this year). I saw 72 bands one day and 54 the other.... it was 4 stages of constantly horrible sound and bands. when you think that each band there paid $1000 just to play that show... to 30 people... it sickens me. I agree. The Koshik fests just aren't as good as they used to be. I haven't been to Milwaukee since 02'.....I think that's the last time I went to the NJ Koskik fest as well.... |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 16,2004 9:22am - kellthevalkyrie ""] succubus said:oh yeah, i remember that, but some people still managed to smuggle in lol Yeah, I think we had about 10 people in our room! HA! We learned how to smuggle through the side door. It sucks, because we went into such a panic when we checked in and they only gave us two of those wrist bands or whatever. But it all worked out. The hall we stayed in....destroyed. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 16,2004 9:26am - blue nli ""] that was soooo awesome. it was uber cool sneaking in an being all badass. word! |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 16,2004 10:38am - dreadkill ""] my friends and i tried to go to a party in that hotel with peter tagtgren and alexi laiho and a couple of other dudes and tagtgren was asking security why they wouldn't let us in and they told him it was because no one had wristbands, but i like to think they wouldn't let him in because he's ugly. that makes the story better. also, don't take that as a knock on tagtgren, he is one of my favorites, but he is really ugly. |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 16,2004 10:38am - Joe/NotCommon ""] my fest is going to be better |
| _______________________________ [Nov 18,2004 6:29am - BAD3F ""] the fest is good & all, always decent lineups... but what the hell happened to the fest of a few years back. i haven't gone in 2yrs. ends up one sweaty mess all the time, and you always miss the bands you want to see. i think it's gotten too "big" not in a mainstream sense so much as a people attending sense. need to divide it up, or maybe have the lesser known bands play at a completely dif time/venue. who knows, but it doesn't work anymore.. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 8:37am - JayTUS ""] I think this pretty much goes without saying, but Massconcerts can't really afford to fly in a bunch of bands for one off shows because the capacity at the Palladium is only 2200, and at the end of the day, they don't do this fest to break even. That is why so many NE bands play and why tour packages always end up being a part of the lineup. It just makes sense. A lot of people said Killswitch Engage didn't make sense as a headliner last year, but out of the bands playing, who did? Arch Enemy? Please. KSE is well on their way to headlining bigger venues status, and were at the time as well. We're just not used to them being viewed the way they are nationally because we remember seeing them play VFW's in front of 15 people like any other band. Same thing goes with Shadows Fall and Unearth. You may not like the sound, but it is popular, and at the end of the day, popularity drives your "headlining status." Keeping people in the room means more $$$ on beer sales and all that jazz, so whoever is going to keep people in the room is going to go on later (for the most part). I thought the NJMHF was awesome except for the fact that no one went. If the Palladium was like that, they could do so much more because they could pack 4000-5000 people into the place. But the more bands they fly in and all that stuff, the higher the ticket price is going to go, and the more people will bitch about paying all this money for one or two bands... |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 8:53am - the_reverend ""] I see you're point (though I don't think kse was a good headliner). I vote we take over the construction lot beside the palladium and build this 5000 person thingie you are talking about. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 2:30pm - retzam ""] the_reverend said:I see you're point (though I don't think kse was a good headliner). I vote we take over the construction lot beside the palladium and build this 5000 person thingie you are talking about. I'm in. |
| ______________________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 4:50pm - sealed_with_a_Bullet ""] I don't know why they cant use worcester memorial auditorium down the street for a main stage and palladium for a second or even the centrum. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 5:11pm - retzam ""] The centrum is a little big for a second stage at a metalfest in this day and age, don't you think? |
| ______________________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 5:13pm - sealed_with_a_Bullet ""] No the centrum for the main stage. The centrum even has their function hall for a second stage. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 5:15pm - retzam ""] oooohhh okay, my mistake |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 5:17pm - Justin ACR ""] BANDS THAT ARE RUMORED SO FAR: King Diamond, Cryptopsy, Hypocrisy, Behemoth, Nightwish, Nile, The Black Dahlia Murder Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing King Diamond, Cryptopsy w/ Lord Worm, Hypocrisy, and fuckin Behemoth. The other bands I listed aren't too bad either! |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 5:45pm - BestialOnslaught ""] JayTUS said:I think this pretty much goes without saying, but Massconcerts can't really afford to fly in a bunch of bands for one off shows because the capacity at the Palladium is only 2200, and at the end of the day, they don't do this fest to break even. That is why so many NE bands play and why tour packages always end up being a part of the lineup. It just makes sense. Maybe it makes financial sense, but like I said, it doesn't make for a good fest. Hell, it's not even a genuine festival, it's just 2 shows in a row with way too many local openers tacked on. It obviously CAN make financial sense if they did it in Milwaukee (I don't think the places they did those fests held much more than 2-3000 people), if a dozen fests in Europe do this yearly, etc. Hell, by simply refusing to book one tour of 3-4 Metal Blade/Century Media/Trustkill/Relapse/Roadrunner bands on the fest, they would free up money to fly in 2-3 bands for one-off performances. It's not exactly like it's cheap to book the Opeth/Dimmu/Gorguts package (I think that was one of the tour shows that made up the 1st night at the fest in 2001 or so) - That $3000 or so guarantee for that package could probably pay for flying in/rooming 2-3 domestic bands and one overseas band. They could also adopt pay-to-play, which, while it sucks, doesn't have to be as drastic as a Koshick fest. Even if they just had the bottom 10-15 bands on the bill pay $200 bucks/sell tickets, that could help pay for a few more one-off appearances. |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 5:49pm - dreadkill ""] i want to see king diamond and dark tranquillity the most out of the rumored bands i heard about. king diamond would be the best headliner ever. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 6:05pm - powerkok ""] I used to work at NEMF. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 8:06pm - Lynneaus ""] powerkok said:I used to work at NEMF. *raises her eyebrow* doin what? you were prob one of the random metal fest ppl that used to yell at me *cries* ive worked there longer than most of the staff and i still get the new ppl givin me crap |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 8:32pm - the_reverend ""] alex: Milwaukee works BECAUSE jack koshick charges all the bands except the headliners $1000 to play. |
| ______________________________ [Nov 18,2004 8:34pm - Blue ""] however, it doesnt work due to the extreme lack of quality control of the bands that get on the fest. example: 25 really bad power metal bands, that often make up 50% of the music on a koshick fest. |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 8:55pm - BestialOnslaught ""] the_reverend said:alex: Milwaukee works BECAUSE jack koshick charges all the bands except the headliners $1000 to play. Well, works as a fest full of one-offs... The examples I was using above were ways they could have a fest that was at least a blend of what they do now, and what Koshick did in the past. They don't need to have 10 exclusive North American appearances, but 2 or 3 would be a big improvement... And the lower end of the bill could be padded with some more out of state bands to make the early part of the day something to appeal to more than just fans of New England Metalcore... |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 18,2004 10:25pm - intricateprocess ""] koshick fests suck so much i went down last year, pretty much just because my friend was playing guitar for MOD. 80 percent of the bands i had never even heard of. Black Dahlia Murder played in like the early afternoon, and they were like the only decent band playing. only bands i watched were MOD, Vital Remains,and a little bit of Obituary |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 12:11am - Lynneaus ""] intricateprocess said: Black Dahlia Murder played in like the early afternoon, and they were like the only decent band playing. only bands i watched ,and a little bit of Obituary u just lost all credibility |
| __________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 7:35am - powerkok ""] Lynneaus said:powerkok said:I used to work at NEMF. *raises her eyebrow* doin what? you were prob one of the random metal fest ppl that used to yell at me *cries* ive worked there longer than most of the staff and i still get the new ppl givin me crap NEMF = New England Motor Freight |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 7:41am - HANDINJURY ""] the_reverend said:alex: Milwaukee works BECAUSE jack koshick charges all the bands except the headliners $1000 to play. If you play a couple in a row then it go's down to $800.(wow-wee) |
| ________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 9:12am - JayTUS ""] Everyone that is complaining about the tours, maybe they shouldn't book the King Diamond tour? Maybe they shouldn't book the Cryptopsy tour? Again, this goes without saying, they do it because it is convienent and it makes sense. It's easier to route a tour around a fest then it is to fly bands over and pay for all that crap. A lot of fests do it, even the European ones. But let's face it, let's pretend they were flying everyone over for Carcass reunion or an At The Gates renion and then flew in one or two other bands, but it meant charging an extra 20 bucks for a 3 days pass, you'd be bitching that it was too much money to see only a couple bands, so it's a lose-lose situation. There's never going to be a "metal AND hardcore festival" where every single band on the bill is loved by all, so you just have to take the good with the bad and get over it... |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 9:39am - Joe/NotCommon ""] they shouldnt book the king diamond tour on that lazy fest, it should just be it's own show so none of us have to see lamb of god copies |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 10:12am - Josh_Martin ""] JayTUS said:Everyone that is complaining about the tours, maybe they shouldn't book the King Diamond tour? Maybe they shouldn't book the Cryptopsy tour? Right. King Diamond should be its own show. JayTUS said:Again, this goes without saying, they do it because it is convienent and it makes sense. It's easier to route a tour around a fest then it is to fly bands over and pay for all that crap. A lot of fests do it, even the European ones. Right, that's why I said it seems really half-assed. Do it the easy way and its not as good. I don't know which Europe fests your talking about but I know lots of bands from the US who get flown over there just to play a festival or two. JayTUS said:But let's face it, let's pretend they were flying everyone over for Carcass reunion or an At The Gates renion and then flew in one or two other bands, but it meant charging an extra 20 bucks for a 3 days pass, you'd be bitching that it was too much money to see only a couple bands, so it's a lose-lose situation. There's never going to be a "metal AND hardcore festival" where every single band on the bill is loved by all, so you just have to take the good with the bad and get over it... Not necessarily. Like Alex said, the money it costs to bring in a big package tour could pay for 3 or 4 bands to fly in. But no one at Massconcerts has a clue about underground metal unless its spoonfed to them by booking agencies and labels. The reality is, big fests in the US are done for the money. There are plenty of kids who like gay metalcore bands to keep Massconcerts doing this for years. Metalcore is becoming the hairmetal of the 00's. Just like nu-metal/rap-metal in the 90's. Its what poseurs listen to, and there are always going to be a fuckload of poseurs with money to burn. I'm just saying that, having been to metal festivals that were really killer, where the promoters first priority was music, not money (and no, I'm not talking about Koshick) its a bummer that the one that is held where I live has to suck so bad. All it does is turn a regular show into an overpriced annoyingfest. |
| _________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 10:28am - JayTUS ""] Well they sell a DVD for the NEMHF, want to do books and all sorts of other, are you really surprised by any of this? Give them some credit for trying to put together a group of bands that a lot of different people would want to see. If it were so easy, more people like yourself would be putting them on. I'm sure you'd love to have the King Diamond show all to yourselves, but it's a good show that really adds to this fest (obviously). It just makes TOO MUCH sense to put them on the fest. And yes, the fests are about making money. You can sit there and preach your integrity about the music all you want, but obviously, if you don't go, someone else is going to buy your ticket. It's not about what you want or what I want, it's about what everyone wants. It's a metal AND hardcore festival, meaning there's going to be both. Yes, more European festivals fly bands over, but look at how big they are. If NEMHF was packing in 10,000-50,000 people they'd be flying bands in from all over the world too, but you'd also have bands like Metallica and Slipknot headlining with four or five stages scattered everywhere. Do you want that or do you like it on this smaller scale? At the end of the day, this is a business, and people need to make their money, and that's all there is to it. TOURS are done for money. Albums are put out for money. This entire industry is driven by $$$$$. Sad but true, because no one can live without it. The point of having a business is not to break even after all the bills are paid, it's to make money. If tours aren't making money, bands go home and even break up, because they can't afford to do it. It sucks, but that's the way it is. I personally like a lot of different kinds of music. I am not really into much of the super death metal and stuff that a lot of you like, but I can dig some none-the-less. I understand that you're frustrated that all these cool underground metal bands don't get on the show, but this fest isn't really about that, and you should all know that by now. By the looks of things so far, they are making this pretty metal and there should be a bunch of bands everyone digs on it. So what if you have to deal with bands you don't like, everyone else is going to have to as well. Comes with the territory... |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 10:56am - Josh_Martin ""] JayTUS said:And yes, the fests are about making money. You can sit there and preach your integrity about the music all you want, but obviously, if you don't go, someone else is going to buy your ticket. It's not about what you want or what I want, it's about what everyone wants. It's a metal AND hardcore festival, meaning there's going to be both. Yes, more European festivals fly bands over, but look at how big they are. If NEMHF was packing in 10,000-50,000 people they'd be flying bands in from all over the world too, but you'd also have bands like Metallica and Slipknot headlining with four or five stages scattered everywhere. Do you want that or do you like it on this smaller scale? At the end of the day, this is a business, and people need to make their money, and that's all there is to it. TOURS are done for money. Albums are put out for money. This entire industry is driven by $$$$$. Sad but true, because no one can live without it. The point of having a business is not to break even after all the bills are paid, it's to make money. If tours aren't making money, bands go home and even break up, because they can't afford to do it. It sucks, but that's the way it is. Baaaaah sheep. Now I see why you are such a pro-sports fan. Tons of bands tour all the time and make no money at it. What the fuck are you talking about? There's more to the underground than Relapse and Metal Blade you know. Fuck business. 95% of the time Business = shitty, gay music. The entire industry is not driven by money. I know tons of labels run by people who only care about putting out stuff they like. But good for you, you like the wimpy, limp-wristed bands that play here every year. There are tons of kids like you. Enjoy yourself. You're lucky your taste in music makes it easy for you to see shows you like. Those of us not so fortunate will keep on bitching about having to pay $50 to see King Diamond (or whatever tour is getting ruined that year). Also, you should really look into what they do in Europe. You are waaaay off base there. Go look at the lineup for the last few Wacken fests. |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 3:54pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Josh_Martin said:But no one at Massconcerts has a clue about underground metal unless its spoonfed to them by booking agencies and labels. The reality is, big fests in the US are done for the money. There are plenty of kids who like gay metalcore bands to keep Massconcerts doing this for years. That sums it all up pretty well. I keep coming back to the same point - just cause you sell out the Palladium, does not mean you have put on a worthwhile or respectable fest. Hell, this site is entirely about underground Metal, Hardcore and other stuff in the local area, but not a single band that posts on this board is on the fest. If they don't even take the time to research the genuine local underground Metal scene (by inviting well-respected local bands like WATCHMAKER, KEVORKIAN'S ANGELS, NOOSEBOMB, etc. to play), I certainly wouldn't expect them to have any appreciation of the international underground. |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 4:33pm - intricateprocess ""] Lynneaus said:intricateprocess said: Black Dahlia Murder played in like the early afternoon, and they were like the only decent band playing. only bands i watched ,and a little bit of Obituary u just lost all credibility sorry i meant to write BDM were the only decent opening band the headliners were good. so like probably 30+ bands played, and like 4 were decent |
| ________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 4:36pm - JayTUS ""] Tons of bands tour all the time and make no money at it. What the fuck are you talking about? There's more to the underground than Relapse and Metal Blade you know. Fuck business. 95% of the time Business = shitty, gay music. The entire industry is not driven by money. I know tons of labels run by people who only care about putting out stuff they like. I am glad you brought this up. I am sure there are tons of small labels that do this, but how long do they last? And if they last, how comfortable do they live? Are they able to have a home and a car and not have to work a 9 to 5 or a part time job to pay the bills? If they do this and that's cool with them, then awesome, I'm never going to question that and it's cool that there are people like that, but in the grand scheme of things their audience is smaller and there's only so much they can do, for obvious reasons. Now what I find absolutely hilarious is the fact that you were stupid enough to write "Tons of bands tour all the time and make no money at it. What the fuck are you talking about?" and then have the idiocy to start saying I don't know anything. Now genius, if a band is touring and not making money constantly, how long is that going to last? What happens next? Do their debts magically disappear? Does the Heavy Metal Fairy come around and leave pay their bills and leave the recipts under their pillows? Use your fucking brain dumbass. The #1 reason why bands don't last is because they can't afford to. End of story. Now if money wasn't such a big deal that wouldn't be a problem, now would it? Did I ever sit here and say I liked every band that played? No, absolutely not, and no one ever will. The point I am making is that everyone has a different opinion. What do the names Watchmaker and Kevorkian's Angels mean to anyone that doesn't post on this message board? Odds are, not much. That's not to take anything away from those bands, but let's be honest, in the grand scheme of things they are no better than any of the look hardcore or metalcore bands that get booked. I'm all for bands like that getting on the show, but it all comes down to who Scott likes and wants on the show. Joe refuses to book metalcore bands because he hates metalcore. No one questions his motivations (and I am not either). And as for the European Fest thing, let's break this down to the bare basics. You are comparing Wacken Open Air to New England Hardcore and Metal. What is the BIGGEST and most OBVIOUS difference between the two? Could it be LOTS of people? They can AFFORD to fly in just about anyone they want to. Obviously all the major ones can. But the smaller ones take touring American bands just like any other fest does. I've done plenty of interviews with bands that hit fests on their tour. So I am definitely not off base. When America has its own version of Wacken Open Air, just let me know so we can actually compare the two... |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 4:40pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] If you think Kevorkian's Angels or any of those bands are only supported by the 4 or 5 people who dig them on this site then you are a moron. There are quite a few people who support underground music that dont post on message boards. I don't really understand why you work for a site called the Underground Scene since you have not once mentioned any underground bands you actually do like. |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 5:04pm - BestialOnslaught ""] I walked around the corner to Walgreen's and asked the first 20 people that came in if they knew who WATCHMAKER were. 0 for 20 :( |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 5:05pm - Josh_Martin ""] JayTUS said:I am glad you brought this up. I am sure there are tons of small labels that do this, but how long do they last? And if they last, how comfortable do they live? Are they able to have a home and a car and not have to work a 9 to 5 or a part time job to pay the bills? If they do this and that's cool with them, then awesome, I'm never going to question that and it's cool that there are people like that, but in the grand scheme of things their audience is smaller and there's only so much they can do, for obvious reasons. Well, I've managed to go on a tour every year since 1996 and I haven't made any money worth talking about. Apparantly you've never heard of a DAY JOB. JayTUS said:Now what I find absolutely hilarious is the fact that you were stupid enough to write "Tons of bands tour all the time and make no money at it. What the fuck are you talking about?" and then have the idiocy to start saying I don't know anything. Now genius, if a band is touring and not making money constantly, how long is that going to last? What happens next? Do their debts magically disappear? Does the Heavy Metal Fairy come around and leave pay their bills and leave the recipts under their pillows? Use your fucking brain dumbass. The #1 reason why bands don't last is because they can't afford to. End of story. Now if money wasn't such a big deal that wouldn't be a problem, now would it? Again, that's what day jobs are for, you complete moron. Fuck any band that forms with the intention of making a living off the music. If it happens anyways, good for them, but if that is the intent, they are playing gay fucking music. JayTUS said:Did I ever sit here and say I liked every band that played? No, absolutely not, and no one ever will. The point I am making is that everyone has a different opinion. What do the names Watchmaker and Kevorkian's Angels mean to anyone that doesn't post on this message board? Odds are, not much. That's not to take anything away from those bands, but let's be honest, in the grand scheme of things they are no better than any of the look hardcore or metalcore bands that get booked. I'm all for bands like that getting on the show, but it all comes down to who Scott likes and wants on the show. Joe refuses to book metalcore bands because he hates metalcore. No one questions his motivations (and I am not either). And as for the European Fest thing, let's break this down to the bare basics. You are comparing Wacken Open Air to New England Hardcore and Metal. What is the BIGGEST and most OBVIOUS difference between the two? Could it be LOTS of people? They can AFFORD to fly in just about anyone they want to. Obviously all the major ones can. But the smaller ones take touring American bands just like any other fest does. I've done plenty of interviews with bands that hit fests on their tour. So I am definitely not off base. When America has its own version of Wacken Open Air, just let me know so we can actually compare the two... I brought up Wacken because you said giant european festivals need a Slipknot or Metallica to pull in the huge crowds and I was just proving you wrong. You didn't score too well on reading comprehension did you. Like what you want to like. It just sucks for real metalheads when the state of the scene is represented by the metalcore garbage that plays the metalfest every year. Its just like in the 80's when the supposed Headbangers Ball played 95% Britany Fox and Warrant. |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 5:09pm - armageddonday ""] I didn't read the threat cause the NEMHF is gay, they should just call it the New England Metalcore Fest. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 5:10pm - Josh_Martin ""] Jay was right about one thing though. It does all come down to who Scott likes. Apparantly Scott likes a lot of really gay bands. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 5:11pm - Josh_Martin ""] armageddonday said:I didn't read the threat cause the NEMHF is gay, they should just call it the New England Metalcore Fest. I was going to say the exact same thing but then I remembered King Diamond |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 5:15pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Mike and I listened to the new KD double live album last night... King is a god among men! |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 5:15pm - armageddonday ""] If that's the tour with Satyricon or whoever (can't remember) I'd rather take the bus down to NYC not knowing where to sleep, wonder all night by myself in NYC to go see them than go mangle with all those fags at the NEHMF... |
| ________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 9:12pm - JayTUS ""] Josh: Instead of wasting my time going through everything you wrote, I am going to point out one simple thing you said in your other post that makes everything you said irrelevant. Tons of bands tour all the time All the time as in once a year for a week? Two weeks? Define all the time. Obviously if I work a day job and save up I can to fucking Disneyland if I want to, but I can't go to Disneyland for two months straight and then go back two weeks later for another month or two. Your situation is not the same. Do you think any of these bands that "forms with the intention of making a living off the music" just woke up one day and were able to support themselves without day jobs? Thank you captain obvious. Your point was that the entire industy was not driven by money. I don't want to take away from what you are doing, I don't know what bands you are/were in and I would never disrespect someone who is doing what makes them happy, but people like you are not the industry. I can form a band tomorrow and go on tour if I want to, that doesn't mean a thing. The industry IS driven by money. If it wasn't, you wouldn't need a day job to go on tour. It's as simple as that. Without money, you can do nothing. I don't care how you got it. Being an industry, that implies it is a business, and at the end of the day, business means money. Someone needs to make it to survive. If you're cool with putting out your own music and taking a loss or maybe break even, that's cool. Good for you, and I am sincere about that. But you're in the minority when it comes to the music industry, and that's all there is to it. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 19,2004 9:21pm - JayTUS ""] Joe/NotCommon said:If you think Kevorkian's Angels or any of those bands are only supported by the 4 or 5 people who dig them on this site then you are a moron. There are quite a few people who support underground music that dont post on message boards. I don't really understand why you work for a site called the Underground Scene since you have not once mentioned any underground bands you actually do like. 1. Where did I say they were supported by four or five people? Show me where I said it. Thank you dipshit, I didn't, and that wasn't the point. It's called generalizing, and I know that's a moderately big word, but I have confidence you can figure out what it means without a dictionary. 2. I did not name my site, but you know what? It's a fucking name, and whether you are smart enough to realize it or not, most of the bands we've covered weren't (and in almost every case still aren't) mainstream at the time we covered them. What am I supposed to do, turn my back on the bands I like because a couple other people like them now too? Fuck that shit. I don't believe there is an underground scene anymore. I don't consider your bands or your shows underground. You do plenty of advertising and lots of people go. Your bands (I am assuming) have websites and there are ways of spreading your music all over the internet. That's not underground. You know what else though? Selling 100,000 CD's doesn't make you mainstream. Being on Headbanger's Ball, big fucking whoop, any band on your label could probably get a video on there if they felt like it. Who cares. I can still walk up to anyone on the street and 19 out of 20 are going to say "Shadow who? Killswitch what? Atreyu, isn't that the kid from that movie?" I see plenty of your supposive "underground" bands all over webzines and regular magazines. If I could change the name of my site I would, because even I think it's stupid, but it's not up to me and I could honestly give a fuck. So try again. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 20,2004 2:25pm - __THeMoor__ ""] I don't know about you guys, but i'm pretty unpicky when it comes to music, so i always have a good time at metalfest. i go for the whole time, enjoy all the hardcore bands AND the metal bands. GASP! some of you guys need to be a little more open minded. closed minded metal head...its like an oxymoron. pretending you're too good for most of these bands is just a bullshit way to elevate yourself. get over it and listen to some fucking music! christ... |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 20,2004 3:20pm - BornSoVile ""] wow, this thing is 6 months away and everyone's already bashing each other for a spot, I fucking love it, good job guys! |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 20,2004 6:19pm - Wraithious ""] King Diamond rules, I'm listning to the live abigale tour CD right now, NO PRESENTS FOR CHRISTMAS!!! I can't wait for this, yes, last year sucked, the year before was fairly poor, but before that most years had quite a few good bands. I hope the trend for the fest starts getting back into the more metal bands, and seperates the bands by hardcore one stage, and metal on the other, instead of just doing it alphabetically or however the fuck they have been doing it latly. I'm getting a Hotel for this again this year, maby a bunch of us can hang out and party, I'll bring the weed. |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 20,2004 6:38pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] JayTUS said: What do the names Watchmaker and Kevorkian's Angels mean to anyone that doesn't post on this message board? Odds are, not much. There you go, this is where you said only people on this message board know those bands. Try to insult me all you want, it won't change anything. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 20,2004 6:49pm - Wraithious ""] I knew about Watchmaker and kevorkian's angels YEARS before I ever started posting on this board. Many other people must too, as the shows I've gone to where they played had lots of people there that seemed to like them alot judging by their reactions to them. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 20,2004 6:51pm - Wraithious ""] In fact, I still have a fat nugs comic book from at least two years ago, that thing is fucking funny as hell. Buy one 14 pound cheeseburger, get one 14 pound cheeseburger free, that's right, 28 pounds of cheeseburgers for the price of 14 pounds... |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 20,2004 6:55pm - BestialOnslaught ""] JayTUS said:Blah blah blah... You're still avoiding the issue: lots of Metalheads think this fest is shit. Who cares about your arguments about money running the industry? Who needs your commentary about artistic integrity? It's totally tangential to the main point, and doesn't say anything about making the fest better... Your argument on that seems to be that we should suck it up and enjoy all the shitty metalcore because... well you didn't say why, just because. Well, it's not gonna happen, so why are you even bothering to reply to this thread anymore? |
| _______________________________ [Nov 20,2004 6:56pm - eddie ""] Wraithious said:In fact, I still have a fat nugs comic book from at least two years ago, that thing is fucking funny as hell. Buy one 14 pound cheeseburger, get one 14 pound cheeseburger free, that's right, 28 pounds of cheeseburgers for the price of 14 pounds... What? |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 20,2004 6:57pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] the fatnugs fanzine was a one issue zine that Beakey from Disengaged wrote way back in like 1999 or something |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 20,2004 7:07pm - BestialOnslaught ""] I thought there was a 2nd or 3rd issue... I dunno, I saw one when I was working at Wonderdrug, it was entertaining, though a bit more serious music content might have been cool. Why'd they stop? |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 20,2004 7:09pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] Beakey never made anymore then one because nobody else was willing to help him and it was too expensive for him to do alone, if I remember right that was the reason. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 20,2004 7:21pm - Wraithious ""] That would be awsome if they brought it back, I would even pay for it. ...Simon Says Q- my boyfriend gets limp putting on the condom, what can I do? A- While he's doing that, slip his dick in your mouth and suck that motherfucker dry. If that doesn't work try calling one of your girlfriends over and dyke it out in front of him. If that fails get him a perscription for viagra and dump him for a more potent fat nugger HHHHA AHahahaha |
| ________________________________ [Nov 20,2004 8:11pm - JayTUS ""] BestialOnslaught said:JayTUS said:Blah blah blah... You're still avoiding the issue: lots of Metalheads think this fest is shit. Who cares about your arguments about money running the industry? Who needs your commentary about artistic integrity? It's totally tangential to the main point, and doesn't say anything about making the fest better... Your argument on that seems to be that we should suck it up and enjoy all the shitty metalcore because... well you didn't say why, just because. Well, it's not gonna happen, so why are you even bothering to reply to this thread anymore? My point was simple. The money thing IS an issue. They need to make money, and they do and will. Whether the people bitching here go or not is irrelevant, they're going to sell the place out regardless, tons of people are going to have a great time, and you're going to sit there and be bitter and call it shit. Whoopty-fucking-doo, can't win 'em all. If you don't like the fest, don't go. Drive somewhere else and see the next closest stop on the tours. The end reality is, Massconcerts asked the people that King Diamond hired to book his tour to play the show and the people he hired said yes. I am sure King Diamond has enough authority to say no. So he's as much to blame as anyone. The problem is that lots of metalheads only care about themselves. All you can think of is "me me me." Well, someone else made the decision, now you have no choice but to live with it. You can make the drive somewhere else or you can fork over the money and go to this show. At the end of the day, no one really gives a fuck. It's a lose, lose situation. If they don't book enough metal, people bitch, when they book tours people would want to see, people bitch. Just be happy there are so many people like Scott Lee and Joe that are doing shit like this here on any and every level. Joe and I don't usually see eye to eye, but I respect the hell out of what he does just the same as I do Scott Lee. Without people like them, this New England scene is nothing. Wouldn't you love to be a metalhead living in Iowa? Or Colorado? Or how about Alaska? Alabama maybe? I'm just focusing on the USA alone, if I wanted to I could name places all over the world. Face it, living in New England means you're spoiled fucking rotten when it comes to music. I've seen just about every band I could ever want to see, most of them 5 times over. It's a fucking show. Either go or don't go. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 20,2004 8:15pm - JayTUS ""] Joe/NotCommon said:JayTUS said: What do the names Watchmaker and Kevorkian's Angels mean to anyone that doesn't post on this message board? Odds are, not much. There you go, this is where you said only people on this message board know those bands. Try to insult me all you want, it won't change anything. Is that what I said? Your comprehension skills blow my mind. Does "odds are, not much" mean "ONLY THE PEOPLE ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD?" I'm pretty confident that just about anyone could figure that out, and the only reason I have to put "just about" is because we run into people like you. And last time I checked, quite a few people post on this message board on a consistant basis, or at the least read it... The point remains, and I am not knocking them. I've checked out some Watchmaker stuff. It's pretty good, and I'd probably like it much more if that was the type of music I was into. I'd love to see them get this show. I could honestly care less who plays. There are going to be plenty of bands I like and plenty that I don't. I choose to focus on the ones I like... |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 20,2004 8:20pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] You can keep trying to pretend you meant something else, but you aren't fooling anyone. The names Watchmaker and Kevorkian's Angels means something to alot of people all across the entire country, not just to the handfull of people who post on this message board, which is what you implied. Now you can deny it again and pretend you said something else, but then you will look like an even bigger retard. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 20,2004 8:52pm - JayTUS ""] What do people all across the country have to do with the New England Metal and Hardcore Festival? I hate to break it to you, they are not their target audience. Will people from other parts of the country (and world) come? Duh. But that has more to do with the establishment, not the bands playing... PS - Don't tell me what I implied. You aren't smart enough to do that. |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 20,2004 9:12pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] Okay you didny imply, it's fairly obvious because you just flat out said it. And for you to try to say someone isn't smart enough is ridiculous because you are pretty stupid and you don't see it I am sure, nobody thinks they are dumb, but it's apparant to everyone else. |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 3:46am - BestialOnslaught ""] So I guess we're just supposed to think the lineup is awesome no matter who they put on it, and not discuss the fest unless we have something constructive to say. Obviously anything anyone suggests is going to ruin the fest financially, and we should just be appreciative of all day Metalcore shows, cause they are a true blessing from above. Where's the damn rolling eyes emoticon on this board? |
| ________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 8:23am - JayTUS ""] Joe/NotCommon said:Okay you didny imply, it's fairly obvious because you just flat out said it. And for you to try to say someone isn't smart enough is ridiculous because you are pretty stupid and you don't see it I am sure, nobody thinks they are dumb, but it's apparant to everyone else. I'll trust your judgement on this one, I am sure you are speaking from experience. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 8:30am - retzam ""] This is seriously the most pointless boardfight ever. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 8:38am - JayTUS ""] BestialOnslaught said: So I guess we're just supposed to think the lineup is awesome no matter who they put on it, Well looking at the lineup so far, I don't think you really have much room to bitch. They're pretty much all bands I know people here love. So what if they have bands you don't like, they're going to have bands EVERYONE doesn't like. The fest isn't put together to make one person happy, it's put together to make a lot of different groups happy, and I think they do the best they can. BestialOnslaught said: and not discuss the fest unless we have something constructive to say. Obviously anything anyone suggests is going to ruin the fest financially, Way to be a drama queen, because this is just an idiotic thing to say. Go ahead and bitch all you want, it just looks fucking retarded. You don't like the show, cool, don't go. Simple as that. BestialOnslaught said: and we should just be appreciative of all day Metalcore shows, cause they are a true blessing from above. #1. It has NEVER been an all day metalcore show. Way to grossly exaggerate buddy. #2. Even if I gave you the fact that last years show wasn't that good, I'm still going to say I had a great time regardless. Sometimes shows are about the atmosphere as much as the music. I went and saw a lot of people I was friends with and had a great time, and that's what it should be all about. I guarantee you they add more bands that you like and even more that you don't like. If that is worth spending the money then go, if it's not, wait for the bands to come back... #3. Yes, you should be thankful that shit like this happens in your back yard. In Australia, they're lucky if bands like King Diamond come there once in their lifetime. Metal fan in every country in Asia but Japan will more than likely NEVER see ANY of their favorite band. Same deal with metal fans in the Middle East or Africa and a lot of South American countries as well. People from all those countries would KILL to have a fest like NEMHF every year. It all comes down to the spoiled nature of the New England scene. Every band comes here, so we expect too much. I've got an idea. Since you guys can obviously do a better job putting on a fest then the people with NEMHF, why don't you do one? You can fly in every band you want to and book all the TROO metal bands and absolutely no metalcore. Metalcore bad, troo metal, GOOD! You can have bands drive in from all over the place and pay them extra for going out of their way to do it so you don't have to book any tours. Just let me know how it works out. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 6:20pm - Wraithious ""] JayTUS said: I've got an idea. Since you guys can obviously do a better job putting on a fest then the people with NEMHF, why don't you do one? You can fly in every band you want to and book all the TROO metal bands and absolutely no metalcore. Metalcore bad, troo metal, GOOD! You can have bands drive in from all over the place and pay them extra for going out of their way to do it so you don't have to book any tours. Just let me know how it works out. hhah ahah aha ha haha, if he only knew... |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 6:35pm - BornSoVile ""] this popcorn is mint, thanks for the entertainment. |
| ______________________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 7:03pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] I thought South America got a fair amount of metal bands to tour there. The next time Gorgoroth or some other band that can't get into the US do a South American tour would anyone else want to drive down the Pan American highway to see them? |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 8:30pm - BestialOnslaught ""] There are only 2 things remotely worth addressing. JayTUS said:Well looking at the lineup so far, I don't think you really have much room to bitch. They're pretty much all bands I know people here love. So what if they have bands you don't like, they're going to have bands EVERYONE doesn't like. The fest isn't put together to make one person happy, it's put together to make a lot of different groups happy, and I think they do the best they can. When did I say they had to have only bands I like? It's a matter of balance. In recent years, I haven't gone because they have had ZERO bands I wanted to see, or maybe 3-4... From my point of view it's a huge shame that we DO have this "blessing" of a fest in our backyard and it goes to waste with such shitty lineups. I am not asking to like every band on the fest, I am asking for maybe 10 bands (out of the 80-100 on the fest) that I wanna see... Is that really too much to ask if they want $50-60 for a 3 day pass? As for me not having room to bitch this year, we'll see. As it stands, all I HAVE to see is KING DIAMOND... Mild interest in seeing HYPOCRISY and BEHEMOTH again. I'm withholding judgement till the full lineup is out but you shouldn't assume that everyone is thrilled to see the same shitty bands you are psyched for. I've got an idea. Since you guys can obviously do a better job putting on a fest then the people with NEMHF, why don't you do one? You can fly in every band you want to and book all the TROO metal bands and absolutely no metalcore. Metalcore bad, troo metal, GOOD! You can have bands drive in from all over the place and pay them extra for going out of their way to do it so you don't have to book any tours. Just let me know how it works out. Some of us are trying to move in this direction but it's not so easy when you don't work for Massconcerts and have a venue like the Palladium at your disposal. In the meantime, I can only hope the NEMHCF team does MUCH better than they have for the past few years - this being a local Metal and Hardcore forum, I feel it's a pretty damn appropriate place to express this. If you don't care about reading such opinions, maybe you shouldn't keep reading this thread. If you can't deal with different opinions from your own, maybe you should start your own board and ban everyone who doesn't agree with you. |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 8:30pm - BestialOnslaught ""] BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:I thought South America got a fair amount of metal bands to tour there. In some places yes. He's just talking out his ass. |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 8:36pm - attendmyrequiem ""] wow i didn't realize how fucking hillarious this thread is. |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 8:41pm - attendmyrequiem ""] oh and by the way this is coming from a kid who does enjoy some metalcore. last year's fest was the new england metalcore fest. FACT. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 8:42pm - swamplorddvm ""] No shit |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 8:43pm - __THeMoor__ ""] BestialOnslaught said:BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:I thought South America got a fair amount of metal bands to tour there. In some places yes. He's just talking out his ass. his point is still valid though, they dont get nearly as many bands as we do. god bless the new england scene |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 9:02pm - BestialOnslaught ""] I agree that we are lucky in some respects, regarding shows... Those of us who've been going to shows for longer than 2 or 3 years in particular ;) That doesn't mean it couldn't be better though. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 9:33pm - JayTUS ""] Some of us are trying to move in this direction but it's not so easy when you don't work for Massconcerts and have a venue like the Palladium at your disposal. In the meantime, I can only hope the NEMHCF team does MUCH better than they have for the past few years - Well about trying to do your own thing, good luck with that, and I mean it. this being a local Metal and Hardcore forum, I feel it's a pretty damn appropriate place to express this. If you don't care about reading such opinions, maybe you shouldn't keep reading this thread. If you can't deal with different opinions from your own, maybe you should start your own board and ban everyone who doesn't agree with you. That's fine, but you're bitching based on speculation. They haven't announced anything yet and you're already crying about it. BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:<<I thought South America got a fair amount of metal bands to tour there.>> In some places yes. He's just talking out his ass. Yeah, if you put together every metal show in ALL of South and Latin America, you MIGHT have the same amount of shows as Rhode Island. I'm certainly not talking out of my ass. They can only dream of having half of what we have up here... |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 10:21pm - RustedAngel ""] bunch of whiney bitches in here. just shut the fuck up, gaylords. don't like the lineup, sit at home and boycott shows like you always do... jay, give up arguing with this kid, his opinion is 'always' the right opinion. [img] |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 10:24pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Sorry, but that last bit is just entirely ignorant. They have very active underground scenes in many countries in South America. I trade with labels/distros in S. America, and get mailorder from there. Their titles are usually from S. American bands, but not always - labels down there put out releases by bands from anywhere from Japan to Portugal - as well as the plentiful native S. American bands. They send me show fliers, which are often really pro-looking, occasionally for bands I've heard of, more frequently for others I have not, as there are many active bands in some cities down there. They lack exposure in the press in the US and Europe for the large part, and don't have the funds to tour here in most cases. You accuse me of exaggerating the amount of metalcore on the bill of the fest in hand, yet you have the nerve to totally marginalize an entire continent's contribution to music by comparing it to our smallest state. I'm not gonna go so far as to say it's racist, but to assume that some how the culture of South America is so foreign and out of touch with the rest of the world that there couldn't possibly be an energetic, fresh, and active metal scene there is extremely US/Eurocentric. Yeah, the economy's don't allow for as much activity in some areas, but many of these countries are very much a part of the modern, "civilized" world. Just a small list of Metal bands from South America who have put stuff out on US and/or Euro labels, off the top of my head... I'm sure others could contribute a number of bands: SEPULTURA SARCOFAGO RATOS DE PORAO MYSTIFIER MASACRE HADEZ ROT MORTEM KRISIUN REBAELLION APOCALPTIC RAIDS/APOKALYPTIC RAIDS INQUISITION FARSCAPE AMMIT GOAT SEMEN Blah, that's just the slightest sample... Point is, you couldn't be further from the truth about metal in South America. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 10:27pm - BornSoVile ""] whoa, alex owns you now! It would be mint if more SA bands came here, Mortem is at the top of my list. |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 10:28pm - BestialOnslaught ""] RustedAngel said:bunch of whiney bitches in here. just shut the fuck up, gaylords. don't like the lineup, sit at home and boycott shows like you always do... jay, give up arguing with this kid, his opinion is 'always' the right opinion. [img] Are you even paying attention here? There would be no argument, if JayTUS would just accept the fact that possibly some people don't like the fest as much as he does. It's obviously gone on many tangents since then, unfortunately, but the fact still remains that he's just all hurt that we're not kissing Scott Lee's ass. |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 10:29pm - BestialOnslaught ""] BornSoVile said:whoa, alex owns you now! It would be mint if more SA bands came here, Mortem is at the top of my list. I didn't even mention those hard working bastards in ASCENDANCY played more shows in S. America in 3 weeks than there are in Rhode Island in a 2-3 month period! |
| _________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 10:37pm - JayTUS ""] Ok, I will admit to obviously not being clear about my point. By metal, I mean everything, not just "metal," I mean all forms of metal and their subgenres and whatever. Obviously there are going to be shows there on the local level and I am sure their labels are just great, but are you really going to compare them to the labels here in America or even in Europe? I'm sorry, it's not the same. I'm talking about a kid sitting at home in Chile or Venezuela dreaming about seeing Crytopsy or King Diamond or Soilwork, or shit, Hatebreed or Slayer even. If they get to see one of these bands once in their lifetime, they're pretty lucky. THESE bands don't go there that often, just like their bands don't come here as much. I do agree that you have a point and understand where you are coming from, but I don't see how you can't see mine... And don't even think about calling me racist. My original point also involved Australia and Asia, you chose to focus on South/Latin America. Both of those countries have all their own labels and shit too, and Australia gets way more then South/Latin America and Asia (minus Japan) combined, but again, it's not the same... |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 10:38pm - RustedAngel ""] BestialOnslaught said:RustedAngel said:bunch of whiney bitches in here. just shut the fuck up, gaylords. don't like the lineup, sit at home and boycott shows like you always do... jay, give up arguing with this kid, his opinion is 'always' the right opinion. [img] Are you even paying attention here? There would be no argument, if JayTUS would just accept the fact that possibly some people don't like the fest as much as he does. It's obviously gone on many tangents since then, unfortunately, but the fact still remains that he's just all hurt that we're not kissing Scott Lee's ass. I've read enough. So what, you don't like the lineup, you and the rest who don't like it are about 1% vs. 99% who do like it. Scott lee will book whoever he wants to book, just like Joe (or anyone else booking shows) will book whoever he wants to book. It's the same god damn situation, except scott does that for a job and has a staff he needs to pay. Joe actually booked the end / dead to fall which are metalcore bands that go against his label's policy or whatever, but 99% of the time he sticks to his guns on that. Chances are most of the time Scott's not gonna book some foreign underground band no one's ever heard of just to make you and few others happy. |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 10:47pm - BestialOnslaught ""] I don't have a problem with what Scott Lee does for whatever shows he wants to book. I don't disrespect him or anything, I just don't like his taste in bands. And you're right in that it doesn't matter to them financially whether a few of us go or not, I'm not arguing that. This argument is way beyond that, and you just wanted to stick your two br00tal cents in just to take a shot at me, admit it. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 10:50pm - RustedAngel ""] BestialOnslaught said:I don't have a problem with what Scott Lee does for whatever shows he wants to book. I don't disrespect him or anything, I just don't like his taste in bands. And you're right in that it doesn't matter to them financially whether a few of us go or not, I'm not arguing that. This argument is way beyond that, and you just wanted to stick your two br00tal cents in just to take a shot at me, admit it. scott doesn't care if don't like his taste in bands, and neither do we. stay br00tal. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 10:51pm - BornSoVile ""] For the record we closed out a 7 day fest in Quito, Ecuador that had 3,000 people there the day we played. that's right a SEVEN DAY FEST. I talked with many people about the scene in countries there, Peru, Ecuador, Chile, Argentina, Bolivia, Colombia, Venezuela, Brasil... South America is interesting. I think this is a dumb thread but yet I feel compelled to post. so anyways, yah. South America isn't as bad as you may think it is. trust me guy. |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 11:17pm - BestialOnslaught ""] JayTUS said:I'm talking about a kid sitting at home in Chile or Venezuela dreaming about seeing Crytopsy or King Diamond or Soilwork, or shit, Hatebreed or Slayer even. If they get to see one of these bands once in their lifetime, they're pretty lucky. THESE bands don't go there that often, just like their bands don't come here as much. I am jealous of people in those places for getting to see SARCOFAGO, BESTIAL WARLUST, SABBAT, VULCANO, etc. Yeah, the numbers maybe aren't the same. But maybe to people in South America, KING DIAMOND and SLAYER are legends, but seeing their country's bands may be just as great an experience. I don't claim to know what bands are popular down there among Metalheads in general, I am sure they hold many of their local heros in the same esteem that you hold North American or European bands. I do agree that you have a point and understand where you are coming from, but I don't see how you can't see mine... I do see the point about appreciating it, but like I said before, that doesn't mean we can't reach for more. I would love to get more killer shows going on around here AND go out on tour with bands on my label anywhere that welcomes us basically. And don't even think about calling me racist. Noone's above such a criticism, no matter what efforts you take to be PC. Your specific comparison to Rhode Island was totally uninformed and ignorant, regarding South American culture - you gotta admit that reflects a Primitive Jungle Continent perception. I'm not totally above that myself, but obviously when it comes to Metal, I've discovered the error in such thinking. |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 11:19pm - BestialOnslaught ""] RustedAngel said:scott doesn't care if don't like his taste in bands, and neither do we. stay br00tal. Then stop reading. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 11:39pm - RustedAngel ""] BestialOnslaught said: I am jealous of people in those places for getting to see SARCOFAGO, BESTIAL WARLUST, SABBAT, VULCANO, etc. move there then. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 21,2004 11:40pm - RustedAngel ""] BestialOnslaught said:RustedAngel said:scott doesn't care if don't like his taste in bands, and neither do we. stay br00tal. Then stop reading. no. |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 22,2004 12:15am - attendmyrequiem ""] i don't know what we're even arguing about anymore. so lets go back to the usual arguements: what do you think about meshuggah? Is metalcore cool or gay? Are Daughters grindcore? |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 22,2004 8:58am - __THeMoor__ ""] mushuggah's daughters are gay |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 22,2004 9:20am - Josh_Martin ""] If there was a NEMHF in the 80s the lineup would've been Warrant, Winger, Trixter, Sleaze Beez, White Lion, etc etc and a couple token thrash bands. They would've been gay thrash bands like Testament though. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 22,2004 9:24am - JayTUS ""] Noone's above such a criticism, no matter what efforts you take to be PC. Your specific comparison to Rhode Island was totally uninformed and ignorant, regarding South American culture - you gotta admit that reflects a Primitive Jungle Continent perception. I'm not totally above that myself, but obviously when it comes to Metal, I've discovered the error in such thinking That wasn't what I was angling at at all. One of my best friends is from Brazil. He doesn't listen to metal, but he knows all about Sepultura. Believe me, we've had this discussion before, I had an opportunity to go down to Brazil with him for a month but couldn't afford it. That "jungle mentality" was the absolute last thing on my mind. Trust me dude, the fact that someone can say "I'm white and you're not so that means I'm better" blows my mind, it makes me feel ashamed and I don't understand the rationale behind it. I am the farthist thing from a racist you will ever find. Whatever you are trying to imply was the absolute last thing on my mind. I am sure their bands are great and everything, I don't doubt that for one minute, and I would assume their local bands ARE looked upon as heroes and whatnot, but that is more out of necessity then anything else. For the most part, those bands are all they have. That is why Sepultura is still around. Were they a great band at one point in time? Duh! Of course they were, but the only reason they're able to keep going is because they are the Metallica of South America. They are the Ozzy, the Korn, the Led Zeppelin. If they weren't, there's no way they're still going now. They can't be making enough money on everything else. I understand your point about wanting to see their bands and stuff. That's fine and makes sense. But you're going to see a million other bands in your time that you also love from all sorts of different parts of the world, many of them multiple times. They'll get to see a few here and there, but no where near the amount you'll see in 2005 alone. THAT is the difference, and I don't think I am telling you anything you don't already know. And the Rhode Island thing was obviously an exaggeration. I'm sure you figured that out. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 22,2004 10:55am - RustedAngel ""] [img] hahah |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 22,2004 12:50pm - attendmyrequiem ""] RustedAngel said:[img] hahah lolz |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 26,2004 9:34am - insipidzombie ""] so i'll interrupt the bickering bands confirmed so far that i know of: 4/23: Nightwish, Sonata Artica, Cryptopsy 4/24: King Diamond, Nile, Black Dahlia Murder, Behemoth anyone else? |
| _________________________________ [Nov 26,2004 10:10am - retzam ""] Nightwish, Cryptopsy, Nile, \m/ |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 26,2004 10:43am - __THeMoor__ ""] what about hypocrisy? i thought they were rumoured? |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 26,2004 10:53am - insipidzombie ""] yea soilwork, dark tranquillity and hypocrisy are rumored, but nothin confirmed as far as i know. but since they will be touring the east coast at that time, those bands are a safe bet for one of the 3 days |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 26,2004 11:26am - the_reverend ""] I hope soilwork's new cd is good and not like the last pile. |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 26,2004 11:28am - dirteecrayon ""] cryptopsy... :crosses fingers for 7 piece: =) |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 26,2004 11:39am - __THeMoor__ ""] when is the new soilwork due? |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 26,2004 12:31pm - Nifelheim ""] I hear that sonata arctica and nightwish happen to have a north american tour and soilwork and dark tranquillity have a seprate north american tour both for a strange reason are rumoured to be at the same time as metal fest ,,,,,,,,,,, could htis mean we have those four bands coming to metAl fest??? if so I will cream for sonata and nightwish alone |
| ________________________________ [Nov 26,2004 12:56pm - eddie ""] the_reverend said:I hope soilwork's new cd is good and not like the last pile. i second that. They need to come out with another cd like steelbath. Until that time they're on my dislike list. |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 26,2004 7:46pm - BestialOnslaught ""] RustedAngel said:[img] hahah Try that one on your singer sometime! |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 27,2004 2:02am - insipidzombie ""] if the nightwish and dark tranquillity tours come here on the same day, i'll be there, no question about it. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 27,2004 2:29am - RustedAngel ""] the chainheart machine rules. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 27,2004 2:35am - RustedAngel ""] BestialOnslaught said: Try that one on your singer sometime! tell him yourself, XtuffguyX. :tightiewhities::ralphie: |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 27,2004 6:09pm - Wraithious ""] So, as usual, I'm confused about something. There's tell of this fest being 3 days, someone on some board, (this one I think?, this thread??)posted a link to a website that had the confirmed band list for this years fest, but it only listed 2 days. how many days is this fest again??? |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 27,2004 6:19pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] it's three days |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 27,2004 8:27pm - BornSoVile ""] um, if Nightwish and fucking Sonata Artica headline over Cryptopsy I'll be pissed, that's about it. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 27,2004 8:34pm - retzam ""] There's no way Cryptopsy won't headline whatever night they're playing. No way. |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 27,2004 10:17pm - BestialOnslaught ""] CRYPTOPSY isn't THAT big... KING DIAMOND or HYPOCRISY could automatically headline over them... and NIGHTWISH is on Roadrunner now, so that's a possibility. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 27,2004 10:42pm - BornSoVile ""] I wouldn't have a problem with KD or Hypocrisy headlining. at least i'll get to leave earlier if they don't headline. |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 27,2004 11:03pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Are you saying you'd leave during KING DIAMOND??? Bastard!!! |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 28,2004 2:29am - insipidzombie ""] Cryptopsy is great, but nightwish is definitely headlining over them. i mean nightwish is on roadrunner and has been selling out venues throughout the country this year. but Cryptopsy would headline over sonata artica though. power metal doesnt sell as well here as death metal |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 28,2004 2:06pm - Wraithious ""] King Diamond will definatly headline one night, it would be a toss up between hypocracy and cryptopsy in their eyes probably for another night, but nightwish from road runner will definatly headline one night I bet. I hope they get alot of death metal and grind bands this time, and a few really good black metal bands like Immortal or Night conquers day or something. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 28,2004 7:42pm - anonymous ""] so does anyone know what day the Hypocrisy/ Dark Tranquillity/ Soilwork tour is playing? |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 28,2004 7:47pm - BornSoVile ""] BestialOnslaught said:Are you saying you'd leave during KING DIAMOND??? Bastard!!! no cause he plays the next night : p |
| ________________________________ [Nov 28,2004 7:49pm - retzam ""] Wraithious said:King Diamond will definatly headline one night, it would be a toss up between hypocracy and cryptopsy in their eyes probably for another night, but nightwish from road runner will definatly headline one night I bet. I hope they get alot of death metal and grind bands this time, and a few really good black metal bands like Immortal or Night conquers day or something. Immortal broke up over a year ago. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 28,2004 11:44pm - Wraithious ""] retzam said: Immortal broke up over a year ago. 8^( that sucks, they were a great band. |
| _________________________________ [Nov 29,2004 12:02am - Abbath ""] nile, behemoth, king diamond, holy fuck that rules |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 29,2004 12:14am - BestialOnslaught ""] Come on, don't tell me there's people here that are into NILE and HAVEN'T seen them like 5 times already! |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 29,2004 12:18am - DaveFromTheGrave ""] I think the best part of this show will be when my little sister beats the shit out of my ex gf |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 29,2004 12:19am - BestialOnslaught ""] Let's see pics of both of them please. |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 29,2004 12:22am - DaveFromTheGrave ""] oh, fuck it |
| ___________________________________________ [Nov 29,2004 12:27am - DaveFromTheGrave ""] Wraithious said:retzam said: Immortal broke up over a year ago. 8^( that sucks, they were a great band. I concur. I just got sons of northern darkness yesterday and I'm very disapointed that I'll never see them live. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 29,2004 1:09am - __THeMoor__ ""] BestialOnslaught said:Come on, don't tell me there's people here that are into NILE and HAVEN'T seen them like 5 times already! MEE!!!!! |
| __________________________________________ [Nov 29,2004 1:16am - BestialOnslaught ""] DaveFromTheGrave said:oh, fuck it Dammit... I saw pics here a few min ago! |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 1,2004 12:19am - insipidzombie ""] any other bands performing been leaked out yet? or any probables? |
| __________________________________ [Dec 7,2004 7:01am - subjugate ""] Sat 04/23/05 Cryptopsy Sat 04/23/05 Nightwish Sat 04/23/05 Sonata Arctica Sun 04/24/05 Behemoth Sun 04/24/05 King Diamond Sun 04/24/05 Mnemic Sun 04/24/05 Nile Sun 04/24/05 The Black Dahlia Murder |
| ______________________________ [Dec 7,2004 8:51am - moran ""] Nile and King D. I'm there. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 7,2004 1:21pm - insipidzombie ""] mnemic on sunday would also mean soilwor, dark tranquillity and hypocrisy |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 7,2004 1:22pm - SacreligionNLI ""] january needs to roll around so the sac can sign up for this good lineup so far though i neeeeeeeeeeed to see nile live |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 7,2004 3:22pm - anonymous ""] I actually want to see King Diamond. I don't know why. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 7,2004 3:23pm - paganmegan ""] Because he fucking rules thats why, come on, he's the king |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 7,2004 3:25pm - anonymous ""] the king of castrated sounding vocals. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 7,2004 3:28pm - paganmegan ""] watch out or you may get castrated bwa ha ha |
| __________________________________ [Dec 14,2004 9:29am - litacore ""] STRAPPING YOUNG LAD ARE NOW CONFIRMED ok, this is starting to be a worthy penance for last year's lineup |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 14,2004 10:22am - Joe/NotCommon ""] moran said:Nile and King D. I'm there. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 14,2004 11:06am - insipidzombie ""] what day is SYL playinh? |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 14,2004 11:13am - litacore ""] dunno yet |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 14,2004 11:13am - paganmegan ""] last year bombed completely, pure cucka with very little exception |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 14,2004 11:26am - insipidzombie ""] yea i can answer my own question.... i checked pollstar.com, and Strapping Young Lad is playing Saturday. I know it;s VERY early, but it's interesting that there aren't any bands confirmed yet for friday. is the fest still gonna be 3 days? |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 14,2004 11:30am - paganmegan ""] all of these bands are so very diverse, it will be good to go to at least saturday and sunday Saturday from crptopsy to nightwish to strapping young lad... awesome |
| __________________________________ [Dec 14,2004 11:35am - damnose ""] I want to see sonata arctica, just to hear "I cannot understand you! to me you live in a world of chaos!" |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 14,2004 12:21pm - litacore ""] I hope this coming fest lineup is the start of a new trend now all that's missing is Ascendancy, Raising Kubrick, Abhorred, Dissector, Anoxia, and your band too. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 15,2004 9:03pm - __THeMoor__ ""] Saturday: Strapping young lad the agony scene (touring with syl) misery signals (touring with syl) reflux (touring with syl) Cryptopsy cattle decapitation (touring with cryptopsy at the time) the autumn offering (touring with cryptopsy at the time) Nightwish Sonata Arctica sunday Behemoth King Diamond Mnemic Hypocrisy dark tranquility soilwork Nile The Black Dahlia Murder wow. i'm psyched. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 15,2004 9:10pm - swamplorddvm ""] WOW! This kicks the ass of the last two metafests. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 15,2005 1:20pm - dyingmuse ""] eddie said:fuck i don't want to pay fest price just to see king diamond. me too! |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 15,2005 3:58pm - KeithMutiny ""] __THeMoor__ said:Saturday: Strapping young lad the agony scene (touring with syl) misery signals (touring with syl) reflux (touring with syl) Cryptopsy cattle decapitation (touring with cryptopsy at the time) the autumn offering (touring with cryptopsy at the time) Nightwish Sonata Arctica sunday Behemoth King Diamond Mnemic Hypocrisy dark tranquility soilwork Nile The Black Dahlia Murder wow. i'm psyched. i dont give a fuck what anyone here says... i think i got a 6 foot erection... |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 15,2005 4:06pm - armageddonday ""] Shit, so the Behemoth/King Diamond tour is going to be for metal fest! Fuck that shit, I really don't want to have to deal with 3000 retards, I'll go somewhere else to see that show. Fuck. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 17,2005 10:30am - Mike Proteus ""] Another Mass fest i'll be skipping. They haven't recaptured the same glory as the one in 2000. About an hour and a half Meshuggah headling set was where it was at. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 17,2005 10:33am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Am I the only person who absolutely hates Meshuggah? Anne, I am going to the day of the fest King Diamond plays: Me being a huge prick + alot of people I hate for no reason + king diamond= a great fucking time |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 17,2005 10:35am - Mike Proteus ""] Joe/NotCommon said:Am I the only person who absolutely hates Meshuggah? Anne, I am going to the day of the fest King Diamond plays: Me being a huge prick + alot of people I hate for no reason + king diamond= a great fucking time If you like King Diamond, it's no surprise that you wouldn't like Meshuggah. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 17,2005 10:37am - Joe/NotCommon ""] So you don't like King Diamond? |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 17,2005 10:38am - anonymous ""] i like SYKOFANT http://www.myspace.com/sykofantgranitestatehardcore |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 17,2005 10:42am - Mike Proteus ""] Joe/NotCommon said:So you don't like King Diamond? Nah, when I was younger I liked (the music) on Mercyful Fate's Don't Break The Oath (a danderous meeting rules). I just can't stand his Elmo-esque vocal style. I wasn't a fan of KD, but I will say that Andy Laroque is a guitar king. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 17,2005 10:43am - Mike Proteus ""] "a dangerous meeting", rather |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 19,2005 12:21pm - litacore ""] The seventh annual New England Metal and Hardcore Festival is scheduled to be held Friday-Sunday, April 22-24, 2005 at The Palladium in Worcester. Prior to this year's New England Metal and Hardcore Festival, the organizers will be distributing 15,000 free, promotional compilation CDs across the New England states to assist in advertising the festival to a wider audience. Music from the metal, hard rock and hardcore genres will be featured on the CDs from major labels, indie labels and unsigned bands across the world. "We're always looking for new ways to get the word out about our event," says festival co-founder Scott Lee of MassConcerts. "Getting these CDs out is a quick way to promote the festival and because they are free, gives great exposure to all of the featured bands." Immediate submissions for the CD from record labels and bands can be directed to: AFROTANIC MARKETING P.O. Box 235185 Encinitas, CA 92023 More information can be obtained from info@afrotanic.com. |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 20,2005 6:23pm - whatweaponsbringwarjp ""] Be prepared for a pretty damn big anouncement soon about the fest. I'm looking at the lineup right now and its gonna be pretty good. Alot more metal than last year. Also a band that hasnt been around in ten years or so will be doing their reunion at this. I cant say who yet. But the lineup will be anounced very soon |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 20,2005 6:46pm - __THeMoor__ ""] it's time for the guessing game.... |
| _________________________________ [Jan 20,2005 8:06pm - DaveSTF ""] I know the big band! ner ner ner ner neeeeeee ner |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 20,2005 8:36pm - whatweaponsbringwarjp ""] LOL i'm sure you do dave |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 20,2005 9:38pm - insipidzombie ""] how soon is "very soon"? like this month? |
| __________________________________ [Jan 20,2005 10:43pm - tbone_r ""] any more hardcore jp? |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 20,2005 11:07pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] Is this big band the newer gayer Dissection |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 20,2005 11:17pm - BornSoVile ""] hah, i was about to say Dissection! |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 20,2005 11:46pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] If it is Dissection everyone should try their hardest to alert members of the local Algerian community and start a rumble between the Arabs and Nodtveidt. It would be like the Metal Stranger. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 21,2005 2:40am - DaveSTF ""] Yeah the big band is Since The Flood!!!! SIKE. nah Scott told me. |
| _______________________________ [Jan 21,2005 1:57pm - oscar ""] Its the WINGER and Kix reunions we have all been waiting for. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 21,2005 2:08pm - Josh_Martin ""] Joe/NotCommon said:Am I the only person who absolutely hates Meshuggah? No, you are definately not. Totally gay band. Why people think that shit is heavy is a mystery. |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 21,2005 2:26pm - coldnorthernvengeance ""] I bet it's Sodom... |
| _______________________________________________ [Jan 21,2005 5:43pm - whatweaponsbringwarjp ""] I'm just waitng for scott to give me the ok to post the list. But a lot more metal. Some hardcore but alot of bands that havent played around here in quite a while and some from europe that will be their first time in the states. 95% of the line up is done and we're just waiting for the last 5%. Once that is done, I'll post a list |
| __________________________________ [Jan 21,2005 7:34pm - rick34o ""] hey armageddonday i like the way you filed your nail,s on sunday after you made me and jeff coffie |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 21,2005 8:00pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] whatweaponsbringwarjp said:Some hardcore but alot of bands that havent played around here in quite a while and some from europe that will be their first time in the states. Oh god I hope one of those Euro hc bands isn't fucking Caliban. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 22,2005 1:30am - BornSoVile ""] carcass |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 22,2005 3:17am - anonymous ""] sod |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 22,2005 3:20am - DaveFromTheGrave ""] I seriously hope my exgirlfriend shows up there with her now boyfriend so I can beat the shit of them both :spineyes::skull::duffbeer::bartmoon::tightiewhities::tmnt1::tmnt2::tmnt3::tmnt4::yoda: |
| _________________________________ [Jan 22,2005 3:33pm - tbone_r ""] a) i hope caliban's there, as long as they dont play too much new stuff b) dave: i want to watch |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 22,2005 4:24pm - the_reverend ""] [img] |
| _________________________________ [Jan 23,2005 10:48am - JayTUS ""] ASSHOLE, WTF? |