"GOD" Why or why not?[views:13456][posts:93]________________________________ [Feb 5,2004 12:17pm - retzam ""] the_reverend said:Kalopsia said:Also, if god does know what the future holds, why did he even bother creating mankind? he could see what a failed experiment we would become. he already knew of WW2, 9/11, ect. well before he even created us. if he "loves" us so much, why would he have created us to put us through that kind of suffering and chaos? I believe Mark Twain's got this covered. I forget the name, but the one where the guy animated clay and then killed the people. God (in concept) gave us free will, knowing that it'll turn out badly. In reality (as I see it), God, god, gods, crop circles, magical runes, etc... are all just our human brains trying to make sense out of things. And hell, what's the most senseless thing? Death? yep, and so it goes that all the religion base on explaining this... and maybe giving meaning to death (afterlife). What's the second mystery? where we came from? these are all things to put people's minds at easy so they can focus on the daily stuff. I see no problem in people beliving in christ or buddha or the anhk around their neck or whatever if it helps them get through life to do the things they have to do. just don't step on anyone else's toes. oh and christ was just like michael jackson... he was black and then became white. though now jesus is used in the name of people hating blacks... which is a whole other ball of wax. love thy brother. *Claps hands* Bravo Bravo, I know exactly what he means. He is trying to tell the rest of us that he is Jesus. Anyway, I don't know what the hell I am talking about there, sorry. This post is intelligent. |
| __________________________________ [Feb 5,2004 12:23pm - Kalopsia ""] succubus said:[img] god just told me he wants to do it with me in there... LEAVE OUR MORTAL WOMEN ALONE YOU BASTARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 5,2004 1:55pm - swamplorddvm ""] Yes im aware of the "pagan" gods. they are just as silly as the monotheistic "god". but in those days people knew very little about the universe that they lived in. Now we are learning so much more. I just think its silly that one can believe in a force that came out of nothingness and was an intelligent being since the begining. Some of my best friends believe in "god", and all were raised in religious families. I think that kids that are raised in a open family will be more open to the rest of the world. And actually I know Dick Hurtz. He's often BLUE. Sometimes when he's happy he can be rather kind and TENDER. But when he's having a HARD day he can be a real PRICK. Sometimes I just want to CHOKE him and SLAP him around. But I wouldn't dare TOUCH him. He tends to SPIT when he's mad. He just needs to learn to get a GRIP on things. But you gotta give him a big HAND for living with such a name. Different STROKES for different folks. |
| _______________________________ [Feb 5,2004 9:20pm - retzam ""] swamplorddvm said:Yes im aware of the "pagan" gods. they are just as silly as the monotheistic "god". but in those days people knew very little about the universe that they lived in. Now we are learning so much more. I just think its silly that one can believe in a force that came out of nothingness and was an intelligent being since the begining. Some of my best friends believe in "god", and all were raised in religious families. I think that kids that are raised in a open family will be more open to the rest of the world. And actually I know Dick Hurtz. He's often BLUE. Sometimes when he's happy he can be rather kind and TENDER. But when he's having a HARD day he can be a real PRICK. Sometimes I just want to CHOKE him and SLAP him around. But I wouldn't dare TOUCH him. He tends to SPIT when he's mad. He just needs to learn to get a GRIP on things. But you gotta give him a big HAND for living with such a name. Different STROKES for different folks. Best series of puns ever. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 5,2004 9:24pm - MyDeadDoll ""] i am my own god. so there. |
| _______________________________ [Feb 5,2004 9:29pm - retzam ""] MyDeadDoll said:i am my own god. so there. Maybe we should all start a Manson-esque cult where we all live in the same little villiage and worship you. I am up for it. Hey, we can even make snuff porns. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 5,2004 9:53pm - MyDeadDoll ""] i like that idea. everyone worship me and make snuff porn. woo! |
| ________________________________________ [Feb 5,2004 10:33pm - makelovesohard ""] Abbath said:religon is for the weak minded this is true. that is why God is not a religion. He's God. He created you and He loves you and he fucking sent His son to die for you. if you can't believe in God, what can you believe in? to each there own but i, for one, am for God. He's the reason i can get up everyday. He's the one who puts up with me when no one else will. He's loves me no matter what and that i way more than i can say for anyone else. seriously, not to sound like the right wing fanatic but, He amazes me. and i am far from being weak minded. so like i said, we're all entitled to believe or to not believe. but honestly, i can't think of anything i'd rather believe in than Him. ::note:: i'm NOT attacking anyone's personal opinion. my apologies if i come off that way. i'm just stating my own. |
| ________________________________ [Feb 5,2004 11:20pm - Abbath ""] hmmm i respect your opinion, and i do believe in some sort of higher being, but what type of "God" i do not know. All i know is that all of these religions that shove their own views on people is wrong. You're not going to hell if you think out side the box, or be a catapillar in your next life because you don't follow the correct ways of hinduism. Congrats for you MLSH for finding something to believe in, some of us will never be that lucky |
| _______________________________ [Feb 6,2004 8:26am - retzam ""] Abbath said:hmmm i respect your opinion, and i do believe in some sort of higher being, but what type of "God" i do not know. All i know is that all of these religions that shove their own views on people is wrong. You're not going to hell if you think out side the box, or be a catapillar in your next life because you don't follow the correct ways of hinduism. Congrats for you MLSH for finding something to believe in, some of us will never be that lucky I second all this. |
| _____________________________________________ [Feb 6,2004 8:42am - Friedrich Nietzsche ""] God is dead |
| _____________________________ [Feb 6,2004 8:42am - God ""] Nietzsche is dead |
| _________________________________ [Feb 6,2004 9:57am - succubus ""] heh to the last 2 posts...but on a serious note technically i'm roman catholic... i was not brought up religious though, i go to church once a year...more if multiple people die (funerals), but usually i will go for a celebration like a baptism, communion, confirmation, marriage, etc. last time i went to church was a little less than a year ago for my best friend's wedding (ps: the reverend didn't burn or melt in the church btw ;) ) anyhow, you get the point... my dad never respected the church, he went to school and was taught by priests in italy and he used to see them eat meat on friday's (a SIN, or so they say)...got treated unjustly etc. oh and he didn't have any rape stories from school, thank goodness. my mom went to school and was taught by nuns and most were bitchy and she used to get hit by them quite a bit. i had 2 friends in italy who were nuns....and awesome people... but the rest of my nun experiences...not pleasurable...i would get punished because i wanted to sing and dance when they wanted me to get on my knees and pray (no i wasn't in church) anyhow...i don't believe in the strictness of the church and their beliefs and i was not brought up to believe in them as such... but i grew up believing in god and jesus etc. i also went to catholic school... then as i grew older i lost a lot of people close to me..old and young and when i lost my dad...i completely lost it. and lost a lot of faith...after he died i went looking for the answer and explored many religious faiths and went to many different religious ceremonies...trying to find my answers...hey i was still young... i remember going to the first church of science in montreal and the priest was a woman and you meditated for the first half and then during the second half she would call out to people and tell them...(A la john edward) that someone died and they were in the room and blah blah...she never said anything to me...i was disheartened... after he died...my mom became more religious and attended church more regularly...and prayed for my dad...the more prayers he gets and the better person he was the quicker he would get out of purgatory and get to heaven...anyhow..i prayed..althoguh not 100% convinced...i thought "what if"...and so i did whatever i could do to help my dad...the weird thing is that i would have dreams about him...quite a bit...and when he was alive we would often talk about our dreams etc. we would both do lucid dreaming and stuff...he told me when you died...it was like a dream...if you were a bad person...then you had bad dreams...if you were a good person..good dreams...well...in my dreams of him he would tell me about things that were about to happen...and give me advice...say what you will...but it's true..i do think that some of my dreams were wishful thinking...but some...i cannot explain and won't go into further detail. my dreams of him now are rare...and i still don't know what to believe in...i think there is something...there HAS to be..imho...but what it is..i don't know... i know what aaron's beliefs are and a lot of people on here...i don't like talking about this..because it depresses me...i used to get scared thinknig about death and dying...what if there is nothing? (which is what my boyfriend thinks) that would drive me crazy..the fact of not existing and not being around to think about this..fuck..i'm getting a headache just writing and thinknig about it....anyhow... i don't think about it as much and i try to stay away from this topic with atheistics..esp since my dad died young...and i never got to say goodbye...and he had a really hard life growing up.... so you mean to tell me that's it? well he got fucking ripped off if that's the case. oh man sorry for the novel i'm done |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 6,2004 10:05am - the_reverend ""] to think there is nothing is foolish. to think there is something better is too. I'm guessing once you have a kid (not that I do) and look into their eyes, you will know what there is and what there is is them. but that's what I think. I guess "I believe that children are our future" |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 6,2004 6:42pm - swamplorddvm ""] The reason I get up in the morning is Music and friends. Thats all I need for now. I don't need to believe in anything to live, just enjoy what little there is to enjoy. Some times I wish I believed in a higher force, It would probably make life alot easier. I think some times people need hope in their lives and that is why some choose to "believe"...but i don't belive so i wouln't know. |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 6,2004 6:48pm - DeOdiumMortis ""] Shut up, pussy. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 6,2004 6:50pm - succubus ""] who is a pussy? |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 6,2004 6:54pm - swamplorddvm ""] cool your jets dude |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 6,2004 7:07pm - MyDeadDoll ""] oh now we're talking about pussy.... god and pussy... hahahaha |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 6,2004 7:50pm - DeOdiumMortis ""] succubus said:who is a pussy? Aaron. [note everything I said to him at O'Brien's last night involve me calling him a pussy] |
| _________________________________ [Feb 6,2004 7:52pm - succubus ""] yeah i felt so dirty during that convo and i could only hear 1/2.... |
| ________________________________________________ [Feb 7,2004 5:33am - BobNOMAAMRooneyNUMBER2 ""] Kalopsia said: it is said that God is Omniscient and Omnipotent, all knowing and all powerful. now that's ALL knowing and ALL powerful. meaning there is nothing he doesn't know, and there is nothing he cannot do. so think about this. if god knows what the future is, then he cannot change the future. the future is out of god's control. if he could change the future, then he simply has an idea of the what the future could be, which any mere mortal could do. so basically, not even god can be both omniscient and omnipotent. Also, if god does know what the future holds, why did he even bother creating mankind? he could see what a failed experiment we would become. he already knew of WW2, 9/11, ect. well before he even created us. if he "loves" us so much, why would he have created us to put us through that kind of suffering and chaos? How can that prove that God cannot change the future? Every event throughout history has served a purpose in God's plan and an omniscient being would know every possible outcome to every event throughout time as soon as it came to being. Why do bad things happen? Because without those bad things mankind would not have free will and man would not be a complete being. It would be akin to my parents locking me in a room and attending K-Grad School for me. I would never experience pain but I would be deprived of any semblance of a life, I would be and have nothing. Even Camus' Mersault supports the importance of life experience, with his declaration that even a man who has lived only one day on this earth would have enough memories to last a 100 years, and Mersualt's soliloquy in the final chapter where he denies that he wished to alter any major aspects of his life. As for punishment of free will, I do not think of Hell as a punishment, it is not as if God is breaking his promise with man. A soul in Hell is still in God's kingdom, still exists, and can still think which is better than nothing. To me Hell is like a remedial class, you go there to learn things you should have known while you were alive. (I'm not a hardcore Christian or anything, I just mean things like basic decency and knowing not to murder people) When you know these things you can move on up. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 7,2004 6:14pm - MyDeadDoll ""] pssst.... we're not talking about god anymore. the subject has changed to pussy. |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 7,2004 6:47pm - DeOdiumMortis ""] Pussy exists, god doesn't. Can we let this thread die now? |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 7,2004 6:48pm - MyDeadDoll ""] ok, sounds good to me |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 7,2004 7:45pm - swamplorddvm ""] Let's talk about pussy. A least we actualy KNOW it's real, and it does a lot more for me. mmmmm... Warm, wet pussy. |
| _______________________________ [Feb 7,2004 8:53pm - retzam ""] Actually, I would rather like to hear Dom discuss why god can't/doesn't exist, since all he has contributed so far are numerous posts either simply stating he doesn't exist or saying that we are ignorant. |
| _______________________________________ [Feb 7,2004 10:49pm - DeOdiumMortis ""] I never said anyone was ignorant, I said the bibble didn't have dinosaurs in it which made me sad and made me question the validity of Christianity when I was all of three. And I said that I don't like discussing religion/god because I've already come to my own conclusions regarding it all and so have most other people, especially in a community like RttP, and I've never seen a discussion such as this do anything to change someone's mind or open someone's views toward the subject at hand. Just look at this thread already, how many people have been actually listen, and how many are in a high-and-mighty huff because someone else didn't give in to their opinion. Ideas of religion and god fuck everything up, I'm happier and better off without either, thank you very much. [img] Word up. |
| ________________________________ [Feb 7,2004 11:14pm - retzam ""] DeOdiumMortis said:I never said anyone was ignorant, I said the bibble didn't have dinosaurs in it which made me sad and made me question the validity of Christianity when I was all of three. And I said that I don't like discussing religion/god because I've already come to my own conclusions regarding it all and so have most other people, especially in a community like RttP, and I've never seen a discussion such as this do anything to change someone's mind or open someone's views toward the subject at hand. Just look at this thread already, how many people have been actually listen, and how many are in a high-and-mighty huff because someone else didn't give in to their opinion. Ideas of religion and god fuck everything up, I'm happier and better off without either, thank you very much. [img] Word up. Sorry, if I appeared to be in a high and mighty huff. I asked a question and you answered, which was all I care about. Anyway, I have been listening to everyone in this thread, and most of the others have too. Very few actually completely believe in God (one person right?) so of course there is no real argument, and no one has tried to change anyone's opinion. That wasn't the point of this thread in the first place. Sorry about my mention of you saying we were ignorant; for the 874648938th time in my life, I have mistaken one of Spaldino's posts for yours. |
| _______________________________________ [Feb 7,2004 11:49pm - DeOdiumMortis ""] Spaldino's the fat brunette, I'm the fat blonde, get it right!! The high and mighty huff... I've been getting this thread and the latest white supremacy thread mixed up as their the two threads I'm basically avoiding, so I'll admit I was a bit off in throwing that one in here. But c'mon man, you put me on the defensive by saying I called everyone ignorant, thought I too see now that that was thinking I was Spalding again. Your sins are forgiven, praise god. |
| ________________________________ [Feb 8,2004 11:20am - retzam ""] DeOdiumMortis said: Your sins are forgiven, praise god. Ok, *bows to Mikael Åkerfeldt" |
| __________________________________ [Feb 8,2004 11:30am - succubus ""] umm retzam see what i first posted..you mean bow to the_reverend :spineyes: |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 8,2004 12:02pm - swamplorddvm ""] Ok ok, sorry but makelovesohard said:if you can't believe in God, what can you believe in?. I was quite happy with this thread but I couldn't let that one go. I'm sorry. Pussy let's talk about pussy.:shocker: |
| ________________________________ [Feb 8,2004 12:43pm - retzam ""] succubus said:umm retzam see what i first posted..you mean bow to the_reverend :spineyes: Hmmm... this is a tough one. To prevent a Crusade between the Revians and the Åkerfeldtians, let us all worship the idealistic diety: a fusion of Aaron and Mikael. He will becalled Mikon (pronounced meek-on). ALL BOW TO MIKON!!!! |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 8,2004 12:50pm - the_reverend ""] I was on the meek-on delta in 'nam. the meekon's are a noisey rock band. "man, god is fucking up!" - dave chapelle |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 8,2004 1:52pm - DeOdiumMortis ""] swamplorddvm said:Ok ok, sorry but makelovesohard said:if you can't believe in God, what can you believe in?. I was quite happy with this thread but I couldn't let that one go. I'm sorry. Pussy let's talk about pussy.:shocker: Science, self and life to name a few. We can all find our own things to believe in for our own personal reasons and no one can say "I'm right, you're wrong" because there's no dysfunctional organization behind it. I don't believe in any sort of god but I do believe in some spiritual things that help me get through life. DeOdiumMortis said:To each his own. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 8,2004 6:03pm - succubus ""] retzam said:ALL BOW TO MIKON!!!! heh..i'm surprised aaron didn't reply something about "Nikon" lol |
| _______________________________ [Feb 8,2004 6:28pm - retzam ""] succubus said:retzam said:ALL BOW TO MIKON!!!! heh..i'm surprised aaron didn't reply something about "Nikon" lol What is nikon? |
| _________________________________ [Feb 8,2004 6:52pm - succubus ""] ok it's just the brand of camera that we use...since he just got another one...it's been a lot of the topic of discussion =) |
| _______________________________ [Feb 8,2004 9:39pm - retzam ""] succubus said:ok it's just the brand of camera that we use...since he just got another one...it's been a lot of the topic of discussion =) Oh ok. |
| __________________________________ [Jul 4,2004 8:11pm - Bloodlust ""] I'd like to think that there is a reason why i am here... |
| __________________________________ [Jul 4,2004 8:22pm - Bloodlust ""] I'd like to think that there is a reason why i am here... |
| ___________________________________________________ [Jul 4,2004 9:24pm - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""] cram it churchy |
| ______________________________________ [Jul 4,2004 10:26pm - swamplorddvm ""] she crams nothing yo! |