Kanye West; "Bush doesn't care about black people" live on TV[views:16045][posts:91]__________________________________________ [Sep 3,2005 12:08am - CarrotsandSticks ""] http://www.hiphopmusic.com/archives/001133.html watch the second video Mike Myers: [dutifully reads canned plea for charity on teleprompter] Kanye: [abandons teleprompter] "I hate the way they portray us in the media. You see a black family and they say we are looting, you see a white family and they say they are looking for food. And, you know, its been five days because most of the people ARE black. And even for me to complain, I would be a hypocrite because I would turn away from the TV because it's too hard to watch. I've even been shopping before even giving a donation, so now I'm calling my business manager right to see what is the biggest amount I can give. And just to imagine, if I was down there and those are my people down there. If there is anybody out there that wants to do anything that we can help about the way America is set up the help the poor, the black people, the less well off as slow as possible. Red cross is doing as much as they can. We already realize a lot of the people that could help are at war right now, fighting another way. And now they've given them permission to go down and shoot us. Mike Myers: [stands frozen in horror, decides to pretend nothing happened and stick with the teleprompter] Kanye: GEORGE BUSH DOES NOT CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE. Mike Myers: [descends into complete panic] Posted by jsmooth995 at September 2, 2005 09:18 PM |
| ________________________________ [Sep 3,2005 12:12am - retzam ""] Hahahaha that's hilarious. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 3,2005 1:16am - todayistheday ""] typical black thinking everyone is against them |
| ____________________________________________ [Sep 3,2005 1:46am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Great, not only do they butcher my favorite Ray Bradbury short story in a terrible film adaptation, but Kanye West has to open his stupid ass mouth. What a day! |
| _______________________________ [Sep 3,2005 3:16pm - mOe_RK ""] "typical black thinking everyone is against them" WHAT THE FUCK!? are you serious? typical white thinking that everything they see and hear on the news and from politicians is whats really happening. Typical white thinking that racism is dead and doesn't occur in our present day.......sad |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 3,2005 3:30pm - grundlegremlin ""] Well put Moe.That is typical white mentallity.George Bush is a fucking cunt,he REALLY fucking cares about those people.Like Bill Hicks said "Go back to bed America,your government is in control." |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 3,2005 4:36pm - the_reverend ""] here it is folks! http://buttlands.net/kanye.avi |
| __________________________________ [Sep 3,2005 4:56pm - dreadkill ""] george bush feels bad that his ridiculously long vacation at the ranch has been interrupted by war protesting, gas prices, and a hurricane. |
| __________________________________ [Sep 3,2005 4:58pm - dreadkill ""] there are as many dumb, misinformed white people as there are black. i just hope for the best for everyone in hurricane affected areas, regardless of race. |
| __________________________________ [Sep 3,2005 4:59pm - dreadkill ""] kanye west is only partly right. george bush not only doesn't care about black people, he doesn't care about the majority of the american people. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 3,2005 5:00pm - todayistheday ""] okay dude everything that remotly happens to a black person they thinks its racist...if michael jackson was convicted it would have been racism....OJ........if someone gets arrested its racist.....give me a break..im sick of these people whinning everytime happens to them....kanye west is the biggest racist of them all |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 3,2005 7:13pm - REPOST_POLICE ""] CarrotsandSticks said: http://www.hiphopmusic.com/archives/001133.html watch the second video Mike Myers: [dutifully reads canned plea for charity on teleprompter] Kanye: [abandons teleprompter] "I hate the way they portray us in the media. You see a black family and they say we are looting, you see a white family and they say they are looking for food. And, you know, its been five days because most of the people ARE black. And even for me to complain, I would be a hypocrite because I would turn away from the TV because it's too hard to watch. I've even been shopping before even giving a donation, so now I'm calling my business manager right to see what is the biggest amount I can give. And just to imagine, if I was down there and those are my people down there. If there is anybody out there that wants to do anything that we can help about the way America is set up the help the poor, the black people, the less well off as slow as possible. Red cross is doing as much as they can. We already realize a lot of the people that could help are at war right now, fighting another way. And now they've given them permission to go down and shoot us. Mike Myers: [stands frozen in horror, decides to pretend nothing happened and stick with the teleprompter] Kanye: GEORGE BUSH DOES NOT CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE. Mike Myers: [descends into complete panic] Posted by jsmooth995 at September 2, 2005 09:18 PM REPOST! |
| __________________________________ [Sep 3,2005 7:55pm - MASlayer ""] when a family is looking for food or clothes fine...but why do people need to loot VCR's, DVD players and TV's? And why do these people shoot at the rescue relief efforts? How willing would you be to go in and get shot at to help others? Stop being so liberal in your viewpoints...Bush is getting them in and making sure efforts can do it SAFELY. When the Red Cross needs to carry shotguns to protect themselves to help others there's a SERIOUS problem in the thinking of people that efforts aren't being made by him or his administration... |
| ______________________________ [Sep 3,2005 8:58pm - Ayen ""] are you really that weekminded that you dont realise youve brainwashed??? look at what your saying! bush is evil! |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 3,2005 8:59pm - dan_bloodblister ""] yes serosly! u r so week minded!!! realise u nede 2 be smratar!!!!!!! |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 3,2005 9:47pm - the_reverend ""] "i am so smart, s..m..r..t.. I mean s..m..a...r...t..." |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 3,2005 9:56pm - niccolai nli ""] w3rd nigga you dumb crackas is so rasisst. ya biiiiirrrd. |
| ____________________________________________________ [Sep 3,2005 10:36pm - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""] the_reverend said:"i am so smart, s..m..r..t.. I mean s..m..a...r...t..." Fun tidbit: That wasn't in the script. Dan Castellaneta actually mispelled it during the recording and improvised. On the dvd commentery they joke about how he turns into homer during the recordings. |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 3,2005 10:51pm - Dissector ""] MASlayer said:when a family is looking for food or clothes fine...but why do people need to loot VCR's, DVD players and TV's? And why do these people shoot at the rescue relief efforts? How willing would you be to go in and get shot at to help others? Stop being so liberal in your viewpoints...Bush is getting them in and making sure efforts can do it SAFELY. When the Red Cross needs to carry shotguns to protect themselves to help others there's a SERIOUS problem in the thinking of people that efforts aren't being made by him or his administration... Very well put. |
| _______________________________ [Sep 4,2005 1:02am - retzam ""] Dissector said:MASlayer said:when a family is looking for food or clothes fine...but why do people need to loot VCR's, DVD players and TV's? And why do these people shoot at the rescue relief efforts? How willing would you be to go in and get shot at to help others? Stop being so liberal in your viewpoints...Bush is getting them in and making sure efforts can do it SAFELY. When the Red Cross needs to carry shotguns to protect themselves to help others there's a SERIOUS problem in the thinking of people that efforts aren't being made by him or his administration... Very well put. I agree. I'm not really a fan of Bush, but I think it's kind of silly to say that he's ignoring this crisis. |
| _______________________________ [Sep 4,2005 2:21am - mOe_RK ""] todayistheday said:okay dude everything that remotly happens to a black person they thinks its racist...if michael jackson was convicted it would have been racism....OJ........if someone gets arrested its racist.....give me a break..im sick of these people whinning everytime happens to them....kanye west is the biggest racist of them all what do micheal Jackson and OJ have to do with people drowning to death in their own homes because people are just doing jack shit about their situation...pick your battle, man. We're talking about NOLA here. My statement still stands. I dont think that everything that happens to me is racism. No one said hat was happening to Micheal Jackson was racist. I sure as hell never said such things. OJ killed them people if you ask me. What you said about THIS situation was uncalled for. Point blank. Anyone who says black people are delusional for being pissed off for what happens in New Orleans is ignorant. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 2:41am - todayistheday ""] black people arent the only people who live in NO...over 10 billion sounds like a hell of alot to me. lets shoot at more red cross workers and others trying to help! |
| _______________________________ [Sep 4,2005 2:42am - mOe_RK ""] P.S. being a black person, i can honestly ask what in the hell do you know about black people |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 2:43am - SacreligionNLI ""] our country is falling apart...i can't wait to see how things are a year from now |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 2:44am - the_reverend ""] moe: 1 everyone else: 0 |
| __________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 7:50am - MASlayer ""] to ayen and dan---you call ME brainwashed?? Aren't you the pc liberals screwing this country up? Backup your arguments if you're going to make comments...or run away crying like most liberals do...next you'll be telling me the Iraq war is about oil still... |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 9:06am - niccolai nli ""] mOe_RK said:P.S. being a black person, i can honestly ask what in the hell do you know about black people :whipper::whipper::whipper: Clean my shoes faster Tamica, or else I'll report you to the IRS |
| _____________________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 10:14am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] If it were a few hundred thousand white people stuck in New Orleans: 1) we wouldn't be having this conversation. 2) Kanye West would not give a fuck about what was happening. Now THERE is a racist for you. I loathe George Bush with a passion hinging on insanity, but I seriously doubt he's guilty of not sending enough aid on time because of the skin color of the survivors...I think that is stretching it, the fact is there are/were survivors of all 'races' down there suffering, and I do think Kanye's comments came off as impulsive, bitter and childish. Skin color is simply a pigment shown to the naked eye by the sun. When the hell will we all get over this? I'm looking forward to the day I can be called a person and not just a 'white person'. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 10:18am - the_reverend ""] I think bush hate poor people and doesn't care about them (since he's never met any of them except for the hookers he bought blowing coke in new orleans). fact of the matter in this country, the "poor" people are the last big immigrant generation, the elderly, and the blacks. |
| _____________________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 10:20am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] I am with you Rev that Bush completely hates poor people. But I don't think that is news, and I don't think this particular situation is his personal cross to bear. |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 11:08am - MASlayer ""] he hates them soooooooooo much he pledged 10.5 billion in federal aid...yeah guys that makes a lot of sense...plus his tax ploicies are better than ANY democrat's...research the facts and get back to me ok? |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 11:10am - CarrotsandSticks ""] I want oatmeal |
| _____________________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 11:16am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] MASlayer said:he hates them soooooooooo much he pledged 10.5 billion in federal aid...yeah guys that makes a lot of sense...plus his tax ploicies are better than ANY democrat's...research the facts and get back to me ok? None of us ever said he didn't. Of course he did, or else his disapproval rating would have soared even further towards the sky. But that doesn't reflect on Bush the person, just Bush the politician. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 12:00pm - BornSoVile ""] MASlayer said:he hates them soooooooooo much he pledged 10.5 billion in federal aid...yeah guys that makes a lot of sense...plus his tax ploicies are better than ANY democrat's...research the facts and get back to me ok? I find it disgusting that congress pulled together an emergency session on a sunday night which was a holiday to vote in order to keep a feeding tube in terry schivo. and now after the greatest catastrophe in american history, it took them 4 days after the disaster hit to pull together. When Bill Clinton left office, we had the largest surplus in American history of 5.6 Trillion dollars. When Bush came in, he provided tax cuts which annihilated the surplus (most of it went to his rich cronie friends) leaving us with the largest defiect in American history. It's a story that never changes, the right fucks everything up, and the left cleans up. That's why the left is known for taxes. The Republican party is about money. With oil drillers and god on their side, you can see where they fit in. Roughly every anguish from Repulicans is developed from money, taxes, work work work work, no new taxes! |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 12:01pm - BornSoVile ""] and for the record, I'd love to have a beer or go fishing with Bush, seems like a friendly guy n shit. but as a leader he's simply horrible. the right coulda picked a better canidate who can at least read. |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 12:08pm - MASlayer ""] FACT: Once a policy is voted on, it takes 8 - 12 yrs before the full effects of that policy is felt. That surplus during the Clinton era was all from Reagan and Bush Sr. signing and writing in bills. Don't like how things are now? Blame Clinton, especially when he cut more of the US defense budget than any other president...wish we had that now...and if the right screws it all up, why is the right leading the way in presidencies for the past 32 years? BECAUSE THE RIGHT IS THE WAY TO GO...THE LEFT ARE ALL ABOUT TAXES AND CUTS FOR IMPORTANT PROGRAMS. THEY ARE WOLVE'S IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING...DO NOT BE FOOLED... |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 12:13pm - BornSoVile ""] Yeah, everybody always tells me that but I've never believed it cause everyone who says it doesn't even read the paper or attempt to research it, let alone know who the 3rd President of the USA was. When was this study concluded? What were some of the bills passed that enabled this? I've had at least a dozen people tell me what you just did but nobody provides sufficent information. I find it hard to believe that anytime you do something in this country, people won't know or feel it for 8-12 years. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 12:26pm - BornSoVile ""] MASlayer said:and if the right screws it all up, why is the right leading the way in presidencies for the past 32 years? [img] |
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| ________________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 12:58pm - MIDGETSTEALER ""] Who is kanye west to say anything? he has more money than half the people there.Also to say bush doesnt care about black people is just ignorant he cares just as much about black people as he cares about middle class white folks.If it doesnt benefit that redneck bastard and his best friends then its not okay in his book.P.S. i bet you bush has a few rich ass black friends too. |
| _______________________________ [Sep 4,2005 2:00pm - mOe_RK ""] DrinkHardThrashHard said:If it were a few hundred thousand white people stuck in New Orleans: 1) we wouldn't be having this conversation. 2) Kanye West would not give a fuck about what was happening. Now THERE is a racist for you. I loathe George Bush with a passion hinging on insanity, but I seriously doubt he's guilty of not sending enough aid on time because of the skin color of the survivors...I think that is stretching it, the fact is there are/were survivors of all 'races' down there suffering, and I do think Kanye's comments came off as impulsive, bitter and childish. Skin color is simply a pigment shown to the naked eye by the sun. When the hell will we all get over this? I'm looking forward to the day I can be called a person and not just a 'white person'. I think that the color of the skin and are of where they are also includes their social standing. Most of these people are black and EXTREMELY lower class. POOR! If these were wealthy upper class whites, i'm sure better precautions would have been taken. NO ONE can deny that Bush favors UPPER CLASS people, and most of those people happen to be white. Christ, think about all the goddamn tax cuts that favor the rich. |
| ________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 2:16pm - MattRCT ""] what is this assumption fest or what. Everyone can guess what would happen if there were a majority were white but nobody knows for sure, so everyone quit crying and just be glad you are not stuck in NOLA. Kanye West comment was unnecessary. Bush doesn't care about anyone anyway |
| ____________________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 2:25pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] mOe_RK said: I think that the color of the skin and are of where they are also includes their social standing. Most of these people are black and EXTREMELY lower class. POOR! If these were wealthy upper class whites, i'm sure better precautions would have been taken. NO ONE can deny that Bush favors UPPER CLASS people, and most of those people happen to be white. Christ, think about all the goddamn tax cuts that favor the rich. So what? Our entire society favors the rich. That's called capitalism. It's not a new thing...it's enterprise. And it favors rich 'black' people (who are actually brown) as well as rich 'white' people (who are a light shade of pink, or tan, NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY SENSE!). Have you seen Bush himself claim either in writing or on videotape, that he favors the UPPER CLASS, or is that just an inference you are drawing because you do not like him for other things he has done (I don't like him myself, but I don't think this is a case where the blame should rest on his shoulders). As for the other comment about us 'crying', we are not crying about anything. We are discussing a heated issue, on a forum full of such topics. As you said, Kanye West's comment being 'unnecessary' was the entire point of my previous posts. |
| ________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 3:44pm - MattRCT ""] boobs |
| __________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 4:53pm - MASlayer ""] research? look at the bills passed and when they took place and then you'll see under who's administration that the benefits are felt... |
| _______________________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 5:13pm - mark fucking richards ""] the only thing i have to say about this argument and every other argument revolving politics whatsoever is that no matter how much someone says, no matter how much research has been done and no matter what color anyone's skin is, no one (or at least a vast majority) in the world will ever REALLY know what the hell's going on. there is too much bullshit going on all the time regarding everything under the sun to really have a good sense of what is truth and what is not. i'm not saying anyone in this thread is wrong to have gathered information and formulated an opinion/argument on the matter, but i don't see the need for everyone to be at each other's throats. like mattRCT said, we should be glad we're not stuck in new orleans. |
| _____________________________ [Sep 4,2005 5:19pm - blue ""] mOe_RK said:P.S. being a black person, i can honestly ask what in the hell do you know about black people PWNED seriously, some people in this discussion are sounding ignorant as all hell. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 5:25pm - DomesticTerror ""] MASlayer said:...and if the right screws it all up, why is the right leading the way in presidencies for the past 32 years? because corporate america has more money to fund their candidates and push their agendas than I do because of Jesus because of guns because of "the Greatest Generation" because of the delusional mentality that being a good american consists of patriotism, not dissent. because many of the poor and middle class have such a negative and bleak outlook for the future/themselves, that they would rather not care. because it's easier to be a follower than a questioner. it seems that after a few terms with republicans in the white house, enough people get fed up and a democrat pulls off a victory. and please, nobody respond with "then why did Bush defeated Gore?" we'll need a new thread. then again, we're all off the subject here. |
| __________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 5:27pm - kadoogan ""] mark fucking richards said:the only thing i have to say about this argument and every other argument revolving politics whatsoever is that no matter how much someone says, no matter how much research has been done and no matter what color anyone's skin is, no one (or at least a vast majority) in the world will ever REALLY know what the hell's going on. there is too much bullshit going on all the time regarding everything under the sun to really have a good sense of what is truth and what is not. i'm not saying anyone in this thread is wrong to have gathered information and formulated an opinion/argument on the matter, but i don't see the need for everyone to be at each other's throats. like mattRCT said, we should be glad we're not stuck in new orleans. that pretty much sums up my whole stance on pretty much everything. |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 5:35pm - anonymous ""] MASlayer said:research? look at the bills passed and when they took place and then you'll see under who's administration that the benefits are felt... But the senate under Clinton was dominated by Republicans who voted down nearly every bill he supported while the senate under Reagan and Bush were controlled by Democrats. So isn't it the current recession really Newt Gingrich's fault? About Clinton's massive military cuts, what happened shortly before Clinton took office? What massive threat from another world power had dissapeared a year earlier? So why spend billions of dollars prepping for a large scale ground war against the defunct USSR when the military could be reorganized to deal with the smaller scale threat of terrorism which became the main security threat to America after the WTC attack a month after Clinton took office? Last I checked Clinton's military did a damn good job in Kosovo and Afghanistan. It was only after the current administration's military budget took effect that we saw troops going into combat in tin can humvees without flak jackets. |
| _____________________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 5:36pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Above is me |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 5:45pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Clinton's military budget cuts > Bush's 9-figure war... |
| _______________________________ [Sep 4,2005 6:04pm - mOe_RK ""] the only reason i jumped in this thread to begin with was because todayistheday referred to black people always feeling like everything that happens to them is racism....i pwned him and he's gone, so thats that. I was intoxicated last night and felt like bitching. In Summation, i'm outtie 5000, as my "delusional" people like to say. |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 6:21pm - BornSoVile ""] mark fucking richards said:the only thing i have to say about this argument and every other argument revolving politics whatsoever is that no matter how much someone says, no matter how much research has been done and no matter what color anyone's skin is, no one (or at least a vast majority) in the world will ever REALLY know what the hell's going on. there is too much bullshit going on all the time regarding everything under the sun to really have a good sense of what is truth and what is not. i'm not saying anyone in this thread is wrong to have gathered information and formulated an opinion/argument on the matter, but i don't see the need for everyone to be at each other's throats. like mattRCT said, we should be glad we're not stuck in new orleans. but mark, this shit is fun! |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 6:39pm - niccolai nli ""] Everyone don't listen to Mark, he's a fucking Wop... and you know what they say about his kind in True Romance... |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 6:43pm - DomesticTerror ""] mOe_RK said: as my "delusional" people like to say. Moe, you weren't referring to my previous post, were you? If so, i wasn't making a remark about black people. It was directed at people who view government scrutiny as anti-american. me, staples, and maslayer kinda went off in a different direction with this thread... just wanna make sure, man. You know I love you |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 6:46pm - niccolai nli ""] But he hates your people. |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 7:00pm - BornSoVile ""] anonymous said: So isn't it the current recession really Newt Gingrich's fault? Best thing I've seen written on here all week. |
| _______________________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 7:05pm - mark fucking richards ""] BornSoVile said:mark fucking richards said:the only thing i have to say about this argument and every other argument revolving politics whatsoever is that no matter how much someone says, no matter how much research has been done and no matter what color anyone's skin is, no one (or at least a vast majority) in the world will ever REALLY know what the hell's going on. there is too much bullshit going on all the time regarding everything under the sun to really have a good sense of what is truth and what is not. i'm not saying anyone in this thread is wrong to have gathered information and formulated an opinion/argument on the matter, but i don't see the need for everyone to be at each other's throats. like mattRCT said, we should be glad we're not stuck in new orleans. but mark, this shit is fun! haha, true. don't get me wrong, i enjoy a good debate every now and then but with the amount of talk about this on here and everywhere else i go, it gets a bit ridiculous to me. carry on. and yes, niccolai, i may be a wop but i make a damn nice pizza pie. and you're a kiwi. enough said. |
| _________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 7:26pm - Cecchini ""] Like I said earlier in another thread.... Its called the culture of poverty. No one any race is born to be rapists thieves or killers, it's a pretty well known fact that poverty breeds crime. Regardless of race, whether you are white, black, yellow or red. Now are there are more african americans in poverty stricken areas than other races? Yes. But why is that? Because while us whites have been here ever since the pilgrims and the african americans have just been here since we brought them here as slaves, for hundreds of years we held an entire race back from acheiving what whites have just based on the color of their skin. And up until about 50 years ago, african americans never had the same chance as the whites or most any other minority for that matter. So yes, plenty of african americans have acheived the same or greater success than upper class white men, but because of how those who came before us held down an entire race of people, unfortunetly not all of the race has been able to find the same success. In those poverty stricken areas, whites commit the same crimes, whites do just as bad or worse than any other minority, crime is color blind in these areas. There are just fewer whites in those areas because for generations we had all the oppertunity to succeed, a chance we robbed other races of. People are people, money or lack there of breeds crime. That is all. To say that racism doesnt still exist is stupid. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 7:57pm - todayistheday ""] how did you own me buddy?????? |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 8:56pm - niccolai nli ""] Up until say.. 60 years ago My grandfathers were having land taken from them, thier language was not allowed to be taught in thier native land. before that there were tax limits on wealth they could have, the women were raped, the men were killed. We were driven nearly to the brink of extinction and saw poverty that urban black familly's wouldn't understand... and still my dad hasn't stolen a plasma TV. To date my father and grandfather have yet to shoot at a medical helicopter. They have not dropped thier children off at the steps of a hospital so they could run away from a flood without having the burden of a child on them. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 8:57pm - niccolai nli ""] I don't see members of the cheroke nation steeling TVs and raping women in massive amounts. |
| __________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 9:04pm - MASlayer ""] Damn I wish I knew how to quote!! #1 Anonymous...I can see why you wouldn't want to reveal yourself becuase, while well spoken, very misleading in your rhetoric...how? I'll show you...Newt Fingrich? The House speaker? Are you kidding?? Presidents have this thing called Veto power and then it goes back and forth until it dies or it passes. #2 Military cuts because of a defunct USSR? You're talking about a President who was HANDED Osama after the first World Trade attack and DID NOTHING...had he not cut and aggressively sought after the cells and perpetrators THEN we may not have had a 9/11. Cuts do NOTHING but hurt our military and while you think it may be "small scale" against terrorists, it never should be or have been...it should have been full blown using every resource available. #3 Clinton's army did do great in Kosovo and Mogodishu...but funny how those actions were never questions yet Iraq was yet Iraq posed a much more serious threat than either of those "altercations"...such liberal hypocrisy! |
| __________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 11:00pm - Cecchini ""] niccolai nli said:Up until say.. 60 years ago My grandfathers were having land taken from them, thier language was not allowed to be taught in thier native land. before that there were tax limits on wealth they could have, the women were raped, the men were killed. We were driven nearly to the brink of extinction and saw poverty that urban black familly's wouldn't understand... and still my dad hasn't stolen a plasma TV. To date my father and grandfather have yet to shoot at a medical helicopter. They have not dropped thier children off at the steps of a hospital so they could run away from a flood without having the burden of a child on them. I'm sure your dad hasn't, but I'm also sure plenty of people that share your ethnicity have commited the same crimes as blacks, whites, puerto ricans, or anyone else for that matter that exists in a poor economic structure. Believing that any group of people are born to be criminals or because of the color of their skin that they are more likely to be criminals is pure idiocy and ignorance. Seriously, what makes more sense... Saying "oh, these people are black... they must be criminals!" or realising people regardless of color or race born into neighborhoods with nothing are the ones likely to commit crime? |
| ______________________________________________ [Sep 4,2005 11:28pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] MASlayer said:Damn I wish I knew how to quote!! #1 Anonymous...I can see why you wouldn't want to reveal yourself becuase, while well spoken, very misleading in your rhetoric...how? I'll show you...Newt Fingrich? The House speaker? Are you kidding?? Presidents have this thing called Veto power and then it goes back and forth until it dies or it passes. #2 Military cuts because of a defunct USSR? You're talking about a President who was HANDED Osama after the first World Trade attack and DID NOTHING...had he not cut and aggressively sought after the cells and perpetrators THEN we may not have had a 9/11. Cuts do NOTHING but hurt our military and while you think it may be "small scale" against terrorists, it never should be or have been...it should have been full blown using every resource available. #3 Clinton's army did do great in Kosovo and Mogodishu...but funny how those actions were never questions yet Iraq was yet Iraq posed a much more serious threat than either of those "altercations"...such liberal hypocrisy! anonymous was me, as stated directly below the post. Clinton did nothing about terrorism? Tell that to these people http://www.emergency.com/alrt1197.htm http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/Pre_96/February95/78.txt.html http://www.cnn.com/US/9804/03/wtc.bombing/ Those actions were never questions? Are you saying those military actions were never questioned? Did you forget when the house and senate republicans were going batshit about how Kosovo was an unwarranted war, just a distraction from the Monica Lewinsky scandal even when confronted with the fact that genocide was going on(which suddenly became the cause for the war in Iraq after wmd's were not found) in Kosovo? What about when Sean Hannity got on his show and blathered on about how the troops in Kosovo didn't have bullets and Clinton's military was completely inept? Support our troops indeed. |
| __________________________________ [Sep 5,2005 8:35am - MASlayer ""] wheere were all the "die ins" in Clinton's term? The protests? The bashing on TV programs (aside from LYING to a grand jury). And I don't car WHAT those web sites say...he was HANDED Osama Bin Laden and thought he wasn't enough of a "threat" to bring him to justice...what do you to that, when a president is handed a known terrorist leader and does nothing? And BTW...and wmd...let me put it ot you this way...if someone killed your mom and 7 people pointed to one person you'd believe that person was guilty of the crime...same with Iraq. FBI, CIA, Russia, France, and Interpol ALL confirmed they were there. Why shouldn't Bush go on their word that Iraq had them? Besides it's not like Saddam didn't...he USED them on his own people!! Just becuase he didn't have them when we came in doesn't mean he didn't move them into Syria, who are just as trecherous and deceitful. They're out there...in whose hands now is the question |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 5,2005 2:12pm - BornSoVile ""] Yes, Clinton did veto quite a few laws Newt passed, but they also passed an amazing amount of legislation together. I was just looking over my history book from school, it was one of the most productive times for the gov, within the past 50 years. |
| __________________________________ [Sep 5,2005 2:34pm - MASlayer ""] Don't just make the statement Josh...SHOW ME FACT because I disagree |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 5,2005 2:44pm - BornSoVile ""] Major legislation for Clinton Major legislation signed February 5, 1993 - The Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993 August 10, 1993 - Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 - Adjusted taxes; income tax, top rate: 39.6%; corporate tax: 35% September 21, 1993 - creation of the AmeriCorps volunteer program November 30, 1993 - Brady Bill September 13, 1994 - Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, part of an omnibus crime bill, the federal death penalty was expanded to some 60 different offenses (see Federal assault weapons ban) 1995 - Executive Order 12958, created tough new standards for the process of classifying documents. February 1, 1996 - Communications Decency Act February 8, 1996 - Telecom Reform Act: eliminated major ownership restrictions for radio and television groups. February 26, 1996 - Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, a welfare reform bill March 14, 1996 - authorized $100 million anti-terrorism agreement with Israel to track down and root out terrorists. April 9, 1996 - Line Item Veto Act April 24, 1996 - Anti-Terrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act August 20, 1996 - Minimum wage Increase Act September 21, 1996 - Defense of Marriage Act, allowed states the power to refuse to recognize gay marriages granted in other states, among other things August 5, 1997 - Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 October 28, 1998 - Digital Millennium Copyright Act October 31, 1998 - Iraq Liberation Act Major legislation vetoed national budget H.R. 1833, partial birth abortion ban Twice vetoed welfare reform before signing the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act. Congress overrode the veto, however, to enact the bill into law. Proposals not passed by Congress Health care reform Campaign finance reform (1993) Major legislation for Bush Sr. I couldn't find any. Major legislation for Regan Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981 Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982 Social Security Amendments of 1983 Tax Reform Act of 1986 Goldwater-Nichols Act of 1986 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton you can find the presidents on there as wellyour text here |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 5,2005 2:49pm - niccolai nli ""] Clinton withdrew with a shit storm sitting there waiting for Bush, did he not? |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 5,2005 2:50pm - BornSoVile ""] his term ended. |
| _____________________________________________ [Sep 5,2005 2:53pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Bush had bin Laden on a silver platter as well http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,573975,00.html Oh what's that? The Taliban was just lying to save it's own ass and wouldn't have held up their end of the bargain? What do you think that Sudanese huckster was doing when he "gave" Clinton bin Laden on a silver platter? Clinton didn't think bin Laden was a threat? That's news to me considering he authorized covert actions against bin Laden and told the CIA to make bin Laden a priority target http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,556906,00.html And look if someone killed my mom and 7 people pointed to the guy who did it I would go after the guy who did it (bin Laden) and not his fucking neighbor(Saddam). |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 5,2005 2:59pm - BornSoVile ""] rich, please don't say that site is liberal. there is nothing wrong with something being liberal-the orwellian notion of 2+2=5 needs to stop. |
| __________________________________ [Sep 5,2005 3:56pm - MASlayer ""] BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:Bush had bin Laden on a silver platter as well http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,573975,00.html Oh what's that? The Taliban was just lying to save it's own ass and wouldn't have held up their end of the bargain? What do you think that Sudanese huckster was doing when he "gave" Clinton bin Laden on a silver platter? Clinton didn't think bin Laden was a threat? That's news to me considering he authorized covert actions against bin Laden and told the CIA to make bin Laden a priority target http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,556906,00.html And look if someone killed my mom and 7 people pointed to the guy who did it I would go after the guy who did it (bin Laden) and not his fucking neighbor(Saddam). Dude, Clinton just spome words and did little actions or Osama would have been ours by now...ACTIONS NOT WORDS...so he signed a bill, he didn't even enforce. Big deal...at least Bush went for it. And you also seemed to have misunderstood the mom comment...if all those poeple pointed to one guy and you believed it and they were wrong, how accountable are you when, to the BEST of your knowledge, the info was right? Same with Bush... |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 5,2005 4:08pm - BornSoVile ""] What do you mean by enforcing a bill? |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 5,2005 4:26pm - DomesticTerror ""] impeach bush http://impeachbush.pephost.org/site/PageServer?pagename=VTI_homepage |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 5,2005 5:29pm - anonymous ""] MASlayer said:BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:Bush had bin Laden on a silver platter as well http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,573975,00.html Oh what's that? The Taliban was just lying to save it's own ass and wouldn't have held up their end of the bargain? What do you think that Sudanese huckster was doing when he "gave" Clinton bin Laden on a silver platter? Clinton didn't think bin Laden was a threat? That's news to me considering he authorized covert actions against bin Laden and told the CIA to make bin Laden a priority target http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,556906,00.html And look if someone killed my mom and 7 people pointed to the guy who did it I would go after the guy who did it (bin Laden) and not his fucking neighbor(Saddam). Dude, Clinton just spome words and did little actions or Osama would have been ours by now...ACTIONS NOT WORDS...so he signed a bill, he didn't even enforce. Big deal...at least Bush went for it. And you also seemed to have misunderstood the mom comment...if all those poeple pointed to one guy and you believed it and they were wrong, how accountable are you when, to the BEST of your knowledge, the info was right? Same with Bush... I wonder if the six terrorists behind the WTC bombing serving 240 year sentences in federal prison think that Clinton just said some words and did little against terrorism. Or perhaps we could ask everyone who was aressted for their connection to the foiled millenium bombing plot. http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/ops/millenium-plot.htm Well, you can't ask 6 of them because thanks to cooperation between Jordan and the CIA they were executed in Jordanian custody. Though I'm sure they'll provide you with a wonderful treatise on Clinton's ineffectiveness at combating global terrorism if you can reach them in the afterlife. And since you're discounting Clinton's successes as president because the framework was laid by Reagan and Bush can we blame every terrorist issue Clinton dealt with on Reagan and Bush? Before you go and blame Clinton for not capturing bin Ladan how about we discuss Reagan and Bush's funding of Osama bin Laden and their role in creating the Taliban and Al-Qaeda during the 80's? The whole mom story is flawed because it isn't the same situation. It would be like someone killing my mom, 7 people pointing at him, and after I made a half hearted attempt at capturing bin Laden I could just shift the blame to some kid I didn't like in high school and blow up his house. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 5,2005 5:30pm - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] That was me, yet again |
| __________________________________ [Sep 5,2005 5:42pm - MASlayer ""] Sorry bob but you're twisting it to suit your purpose in the debate...while a great quality, you're missing the issues to make Bush look bad and CLinton good...again! 240 yrs in prison? like I want my tax dollars supporting them...and if it was such good measure why did it need ratification to favor the death penalty in terrorists situations. Life sentences? I don't think so...DEATH PENALTY NO EXCEPTIONS. And to think you can try to lay Clinton's faults on Reagan and Bush? You know as well as I do treaties and made and broken and just because the one with Osama went bad doesn't mean it was the first or last and also at the time didn't pose terrorist actions AT THAT POINT IN TIME against the US. On the mom thing...let me rephrase it again becasue you're losing the translation...if someone killed your mom and all your closest friends pointed to one suspect and you laid your wrath on the word of your 7 trusted friends just to be told later you were wrong, it was someone else is the SAME as Bsh's info on wmd in Iraq...besides we've done more good for that country in 1 year than in several decades without our involvment |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 5,2005 5:53pm - BornSoVile ""] conservatives will throw everything they got at us, they'll blame the phases of the moon on Clinton pratically! Do I have to state the FACT that the Regan administration sold most of those WMDs to Iran/Iraq, yeah I do-we need to see through the conservative media to get the answers. |
| _____________________________________________ [Sep 5,2005 6:15pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] So you'd rather have your tax dollars supporting thousands of enemy combatants and a war of choice in Iraq that did nothing to curb terrorism than actually fighting terrorism? Your mom analogy is flawed because the actual situation was more like my mom being killed and the 7 people being coerced into telling me that a particular person I didn't like had killed her, although it wouldn't have mattered because I had already made up my mind that I wanted to kill him and I just had to go through some formalities to make it look like murder was my last option. And we haven't done more good for Iraq in the past year than it was able to do for itself without our involvement. Before the first Gulf War Iraq was one of the most prosperous nations in the middle east, a secular society which upheld women's rights and was socially progressive compared to its neighbors. While Saddam was a horrible dictator he was better than the present alternative of civil war and a Taliban-esque theocracy. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 5,2005 6:37pm - DomesticTerror ""] but look at all the porn Iraq has since we took out Saddam. |
| ___________________________________________ [Sep 5,2005 9:00pm - Hung_to_Bleed_nli ""] Liberals are homos. Anti military pussies. They're a bunch of Queers who get thier ideology from ex-vietnam hippie protesters who still wear their dead shirts under their suit coats. I hate them commie America haters. Move to England like Madonna and that that cum dumpter Gweneth Poultry, fags. |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 5,2005 9:35pm - anonymous ""] And I dont care about black people either. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 6,2005 12:36am - morbid jesus ""] anonymous said:And I dont care about black people either. I was gonna say that |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 6,2005 12:37am - morbid jesus ""] DomesticTerror said:but look at all the porn Iraq has since we took out Saddam. the csdo guy would be a millionare if he moved his shop there! |
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| ________________________________________ [Sep 6,2005 3:34pm - SacreligionNLI ""] menstrual_sweatpants_disco said:http://bushniggas.ytmnd.com WTF?! |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 6,2005 3:52pm - anonymous ""] Kanye West is a penis. Now..where did I park my pick-up and put those chains? |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 6,2005 6:59pm - anonymous ""] black people are genetically prone to stupidity and ebonics |
| __________________________________ [Sep 6,2005 7:46pm - dreadkill ""] niccolai nli said:Everyone don't listen to Mark, he's a fucking Wop... and you know what they say about his kind in True Romance... hahahahaha, best post of the thread. |