My Predictions for the MA ballot questions:
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[Oct 30,2008 5:51pm - Conservationist ""]
pam%20@%20school said:I have a kid in "ghetto schools" and if you actually think money is being put INTO them you're even more a fucking idiot that I originally suspected. Every couple of years my kid gets her school shut down because of No Child Left Behind starving them of funds because of insane standard test benchmarks. She gets plucked away from her friends and thrown into a bigger, shittier school. There are no music or art programs, and if there are...they go under within a year. Until you have a kid in public schools, you don't get to have a valid opinion of why they aren't improving.
And last I checked, the college I'm sitting in right now is funded by taxes and frankly, I'd rather my fucking tuition and fees not go up any more, thanks. Suck it up and pay your fucking taxes or stfu and move to NH.
Here, money is being put into them, like it is in LA.
Results: bad. Still bad.
You can throw infinite money into them and it will go away. One reason is that here at least it all goes to ESL and disciplinary action, which costs more in staff costs and time than you'd think.
In LA, there is also a massive graft problem -- at the local schools.
[Oct 30,2008 5:52pm - Conservationist ""]
orgymf@work said:two....i say yes, just because i think it will benefit everyone.
people who get busted with less than an ounce, don't go to jail, and the fines they pay help cities in finicial crisis (like every city in this fucking state)
Legalization will benefit everyone, especially the ghettoes.
[Oct 30,2008 8:34pm - Dankill ""]
sever said:Really?
I think question 2 will definitely pass. Question 1 will be an overwhelming no and question 3 is one of those wait-and-see dealios.
I agree on all three. Question three I think will be close no matter what the outcome.
[Oct 31,2008 10:38am - orgymf@work ""]
Conservationist said:
orgymf@work said:two....i say yes, just because i think it will benefit everyone.
people who get busted with less than an ounce, don't go to jail, and the fines they pay help cities in finicial crisis (like every city in this fucking state)
Legalization will benefit everyone, especially the ghettoes.
yeah, but this a step in the right direction
[Oct 31,2008 10:43am - Yeti ""]
Josh_Martin said:I think the only way I would vote yes on #1 was if they made up for the money by immediately ceasing ALL drug enforcement. Keep cops focused on violent crimes and burglary/theft, and white collar crime, shit like that. Y'know, crimes that actually harm people.
agreed. people are going to do drugs, no matter what.
[Oct 31,2008 12:30pm - pam ""]
Conservationist said:
pam%20@%20school said:I have a kid in "ghetto schools" and if you actually think money is being put INTO them you're even more a fucking idiot that I originally suspected. Every couple of years my kid gets her school shut down because of No Child Left Behind starving them of funds because of insane standard test benchmarks. She gets plucked away from her friends and thrown into a bigger, shittier school. There are no music or art programs, and if there are...they go under within a year. Until you have a kid in public schools, you don't get to have a valid opinion of why they aren't improving.
And last I checked, the college I'm sitting in right now is funded by taxes and frankly, I'd rather my fucking tuition and fees not go up any more, thanks. Suck it up and pay your fucking taxes or stfu and move to NH.
Here, money is being put into them
Wrong.
[Oct 31,2008 12:32pm - RichHorror ""]
Pam, I think he's referring to Tejas.
[Oct 31,2008 12:39pm - pam ""]
He'd still be wrong. Public schools are nationally underfunded and fall under the test requirements of No Child Left Behind, a program that cuts funding to any school that doesn't raise their test scores every year. Meaning a school could score 95% on year, and 94% the next and lose their funding if they decline 2 years in a row. Hence why my kid has had 2 schools close on her.
The right wing hates federally funded public schools and this is their bullshit way of saying "see, public schools don't work". It's just a way to propel their bullshit voucher programs which are a roundabout way to fund private schools that cherry-pick students and don't have to answer to MCAS-like testing.
Those tests cost a small fortune too. They're mandatory but the schools have to pay for them. UNDERFUNDED. Oh and guess who's brother works in the standardized testing business?
[Oct 31,2008 12:39pm - RichHorror ""]
READ ANOTHER BOOK FAGGOT
[Oct 31,2008 12:41pm - pam ""]
I know, sorry. NIGGERNIGGERTERRORISTSOCIALISTHUNTINGGUNSANDBEER.
[Oct 31,2008 12:43pm - RichHorror ""]
SELF LOATHING JEW
[Oct 31,2008 1:03pm - orgymf@work ""]
pam said:NIGGERNIGGERTERRORISTSOCIALISTHUNTINGGUNSANDBEER.
<3
[Oct 31,2008 1:06pm - FuckIsMySignature ""]
the united states can no longer afford smart people. intelligence is now outsourced to India
[Oct 31,2008 10:01pm - masshole penetration ""]
pam said:
The right wing hates federally funded public schools and this is their bullshit way of saying "see, public schools don't work".
do you consider libertarians as "right wing"? i'm one ....AND I REMEMBER PUBLIC SCHOOL!
what vast knowledge have you retained from this beloved state school system? take a moment to reflect...
havent you learned more outside of school (ex: jobs, family, friends, etc) that you actually applied in life?
public school classes are overkill. too much information WITHOUT being carried out in real life scenarios. everyone learns in a different way, yet, treat them all like clones.
[Nov 1,2008 12:42am - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""]
Massachusetts property taxes are already rapetastic, I see no reason why they need to go any higher. NOIPE
[Nov 1,2008 3:12am - pam ""]
masshole%20penetration said:
pam said:
The right wing hates federally funded public schools and this is their bullshit way of saying "see, public schools don't work".
do you consider libertarians as "right wing"? i'm one ....AND I REMEMBER PUBLIC SCHOOL!
what vast knowledge have you retained from this beloved state school system? take a moment to reflect...
havent you learned more outside of school (ex: jobs, family, friends, etc) that you actually applied in life?
public school classes are overkill. too much information WITHOUT being carried out in real life scenarios. everyone learns in a different way, yet, treat them all like clones.
Aaaaand private schools are better? Cause I went to one of those too. They're exactly the same. They teach the same things.
So let's just have no school funding. That'll solve everything. You're gonna homeschool your kids right? Awesome.
[Nov 1,2008 5:38am - masshole penetration ""]
better yet, i wont have kids. i shouldnt have to pay for your little brat and all the other low-IQ "futures" of america. i didnt ask anyone to get pregnant, dont ask for my money.
[Nov 1,2008 5:45am - BobNOMAAMRooney ""]
I'm voting no on 1 because most people and business owners are fucking morons (just look at the credit crunch that destroyed our economy, I DON'T HAVE MONEY BUT I WANT TO PRETEND I'M RICH) who would just waste the money they're not paying on taxes on some short-sighted investment. Virtually none of it would go back into the community, unless the state and local government increased property, excise and sales taxes.
Do I hate paying taxes, especially when it seems like they're not being put to work? (truck-sized potholes on Route 99 in Everett) Of course. But I'm not naive enough to have the faith in my fellow citizens to not turn into greedy hood rich morons when they get the slightest sniff of cash. Libertarianism works great when society is broken down into extremely small homologous communities and neighbors trust one another. In most urban and suburban environments (ethnic enclaves are a unique exception) where most people never know their neighbors and are so cowed by action news that everyone outside their home is a threat, empathy withers and dies.
I think what I'm getting at in a roundabout way is that we need to exterminate the transient yuppie populations and foster more ethnic enclaves.
But yeah, barring the complete reorganization of society on a much smaller scale, taxes are a necessary evil.
[Nov 4,2008 8:36am - masshole penetration ""]
vote today motherfuckers! REFUSE TO SUPPORT TAXACHUSETTS! VOTE YES ON QUESTION 1!
[Nov 4,2008 8:55am - the_reverend ""]
VOTER INITIATIVES MEAN JACK SHIT! ARE YOU PEOPLE MORONS?
who the fuck wouldn't vote for lower taxes? a retard? no, a retard would still vote for lover taxes so that they an use the money they get paid bagging groceries to buy more puppies and candy. how many times have voter initiatives tried to lower taxes? and they do nothing. sorry idiots. the income tax will still be there. marijuana will still be ILLEGAL SINCE IT'S A FEDERAL LAW THAT TRUMPS STATE LAW. and idk what the other one is but it's probably something else retarded.
[Nov 4,2008 10:12am - masshole penetration ""]
yes yes no!
[Nov 4,2008 10:27am - orgymf@work ""]
masshole%20penetration said:yes yes no!
tell ya what. i am a state worker
you go ahead and vote yes on one.
and if it passes and i get laid off.
i'm going to replace my wages robbing people who voted yes on one
[Nov 4,2008 10:29am - Yeti ""]
the_reverend said:marijuana will still be ILLEGAL SINCE IT'S A FEDERAL LAW THAT TRUMPS STATE LAW.
thats what i've been saying, but apparently its been decriminalized in other states. i don't know exactly how it works.
[Nov 4,2008 10:33am - darkwor ""]
just don't get busted by the feds.
in other words, don't grow fields of it and drive around with 20 pounds in your van.
they let the state deal with the rest so it will be essentially decriminalized if it passes and you can go about your life and smoke all you want and just worry about getting fined.
[Nov 4,2008 10:45am - Josh_Martin ""]
the_reverend said:VOTER INITIATIVES MEAN JACK SHIT! ARE YOU PEOPLE MORONS?
who the fuck wouldn't vote for lower taxes? a retard? no, a retard would still vote for lover taxes so that they an use the money they get paid bagging groceries to buy more puppies and candy. how many times have voter initiatives tried to lower taxes? and they do nothing. sorry idiots. the income tax will still be there. marijuana will still be ILLEGAL SINCE IT'S A FEDERAL LAW THAT TRUMPS STATE LAW. and idk what the other one is but it's probably something else retarded.
Rev. this was never a question of legalizing pot. Decriminalization is not the same thing as legalization. C'mon I'm sure you know that.
11 other states have already done it. The feds only come in when distribution is involved i.e the medical marijuana clubs in CA.
[Nov 4,2008 10:47am - Josh_Martin ""]
Yeti said:
the_reverend said:marijuana will still be ILLEGAL SINCE IT'S A FEDERAL LAW THAT TRUMPS STATE LAW.
thats what i've been saying, but apparently its been decriminalized in other states. i don't know exactly how it works.
Decrim is not legalizing it. Under the proposed new law pot will still be illegal but it won't be a criminal offense. It'll be a civil offense, like getting a speeding ticket. Speeding is illegal, but you can't get arrested for it. Get it?
Oh, and the new law only applies to posession of less than an ounce. The feds aren't going to give a shit about that anyway.
[Nov 4,2008 10:48am - Yeti ""]
gotcha. i figured that if federal law were to override something, it would have to be a case investigated by feds.
[Nov 4,2008 10:49am - the_reverend ""]
it's still a federal issue. a step in the right direction, but the federal laws are what need to be changed.
[Nov 4,2008 10:54am - Josh_Martin ""]
the_reverend said:it's still a federal issue. a step in the right direction, but the federal laws are what need to be changed.
Gayman Barney Frank is working on it. Keep him and his stinky fingers in office please.
[Nov 4,2008 10:55am - Josh_Martin ""]
the_reverend said:it's still a federal issue. a step in the right direction, but the federal laws are what need to be changed.
As long as there's no issue of distribution or sales the feds an't do anything, not their jurisdiction.