native americans[views:13104][posts:79]________________________________________ [Feb 16,2011 5:48pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] notreally said: ancient%20master said: wrong. Paganism: any of various religions other than Christianity or Judaism or Islam Well if thats the case then Sihkism, Bahai faith, Buddhism, Babism, Scientology and Pastafarianism are all "pagan" religions. (none of these religions are pagan) I am sure medieval Christianity would have advocated that this is the case, but now the term refers to religions that are not monotheistic, and are polytheistic. North American Indians generally had vague, but monotheistic beliefs. You cant have a religion that is both monotheistic and pagan at the same time. lol Read two more books on the subject, you'll get 3 more answers. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 16,2011 5:49pm - Boozegood ""] notreally said: ancient%20master said: wrong. Paganism: any of various religions other than Christianity or Judaism or Islam Well if thats the case then Sihkism, Bahai faith, Buddhism, Babism, Scientology and Pastafarianism are all "pagan" religions. (none of these religions are pagan) I am sure medieval Christianity would have advocated that this is the case, but now the term refers to religions that are not monotheistic, and are polytheistic. North American Indians generally had vague, but monotheistic beliefs. You cant have a religion that is both monotheistic and pagan at the same time. Those are all pagan religions. Where did you come up with all the rest of that? Did you just make up a new definition? pa·gan [pey-guhn] Show IPA –noun 1. one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient Romans and Greeks. 2. a person who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim. 3. an irreligious or hedonistic person. –adjective 4. pertaining to the worship or worshipers of any religion that is neither Christian, Jewish, nor Muslim. 5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of pagans. 6. irreligious or hedonistic. |
| ________________________________________ [Feb 16,2011 5:55pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] ITT: semantic confusion |
| _________________________________ [Feb 16,2011 6:00pm - haupty ""] not to mention we know little of native american beliefs in general because we systematically destroyed their culture... |
| ______________________________ [Feb 16,2011 6:01pm - BSV ""] hunters and fisher > people who whine about them on the internet |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 16,2011 6:03pm - Boozegood ""] Iron-fisted conquerors/explorers/innovators > loin-clothes. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 16,2011 6:14pm - nekronaut ""] More soda talk please. |
| ____________________________________ [Feb 16,2011 6:14pm - notreally ""] I would like to point out that the primary definition (number 1 in your list too) is "one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient Romans and Greeks." And when it is used by people, or in a class about history or religion, this is the definition they mean. (semantics) But, if you really believe those other definitions then scientology and buddhism are pagan, and if something being pagan somehow makes it blackmetal then their should be more black metal buddhism and scientology bands. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 16,2011 6:16pm - Boozegood ""] notreally said:I would like to point out that the primary definition (number 1 in your list too) is "one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient Romans and Greeks." And when it is used by people, or in a class about history or religion, this is the definition they mean. (semantics) But, if you really believe those other definitions then scientology and buddhism are pagan, and if something being pagan somehow makes it blackmetal then their should be more black metal buddhism and scientology bands. I'm sort of just being a prick about the definition of Pagan. I understand what you, and most other people these days mean when they say 'pagan'. I don't think Black Metal is Pagan at all, like I said. |
| ____________________________________ [Feb 16,2011 6:29pm - notreally ""] Boozegood said: I'm sort of just being a prick about the definition of Pagan. I understand what you, and most other people these days mean when they say 'pagan'. I don't think Black Metal is Pagan at all, like I said. ok fair enough |
| _________________________________ [Feb 16,2011 7:24pm - Doomkid ""] Very good, I highly recommend. <3 Ward Churchill for being a who he is. bennyhillifier |
| ____________________________________ [Feb 16,2011 7:31pm - arilliusbm ""] Boozegood said:Black Metal isn't pagan. True. "Black" metal is not. But I put the word "aesthetics" in there because it opposes the Abrahamic religions, must like how paganism wants nothing to do with them as well. There's a reason why Pagan Metal is called Pagan Metal, and Black Metal is called Black Metal. But quite frankly, 90% of Black Metal bands are full of people who don't hold true to what black metal is supposed to be about. Does that mean they're called Poser Metal bands? Clisthert said: Pantheism is not the same thing as paganism. Native american tribes held a belief a single creator, and not in multiple deities. They believed in spirits, but these were not like gods. The south american civilizations like the aztecs did believe in multiple deities though. If you want to argue specifics and semantics, than this could be true, to an extent. You have to remember that Westernized Beliefs label anything that's not Christian, Jewish, or Muslim as "pagan." Point being, anything that is not the 3 main religions today is simply labeled "pagan." But yes, as with any label, there are specific branches within it, and Pantheism is one of them. |
| ____________________________________ [Feb 16,2011 8:43pm - thesacnli ""] too much talking not enough of this [img] |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 16,2011 9:13pm - goatcatalyst ""] I'd like a side order of tits with that there penguin |
| _________________________________________ [Feb 16,2011 10:58pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] thesacnli said:too much talking not enough of this [img] [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 16,2011 11:02pm - arilliusbm ""] Needs more talking. & Black Metal needs more real black metal. |
| _________________________________________ [Feb 16,2011 11:07pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] arilliusbm said:Needs more talking. this also. Black Metal needs more real black metal. elaborate for teh class, plz |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 16,2011 11:49pm - Randy_Marsh ""] arilliusbm said:Needs more talking. & Black Metal needs more real black metal. then more people need to start being murdered. |
| ______________________________ [Feb 17,2011 7:26am - Yeti ""] also "lol" at the term "Native Americans". |
| _________________________________ [Feb 17,2011 7:59am - haupty ""] scientology black metal sounds awesome |
| ________________________________________ [Feb 17,2011 8:47am - DestroyYouAlot ""] I burned down South Park Studios for Xenu. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 17,2011 9:28am - haupty ""] calrissian - metal about the mythology of cloud city |
| _______________________________ [Feb 17,2011 9:35am - Mutis ""] I still support Harry Potter metal. |
| ________________________________________ [Feb 17,2011 9:43am - DestroyYouAlot ""] hahaha, i seriously had to turn down a friend who wanted me to be involved with a harry potter-themed bm parody project. the point, you don't get it. |
| _________________________________________ [Feb 17,2011 9:52am - arkquimanthorn ""] genocide: you can too! "might is right" is a law of history. so is "the mighty always fall" and the fall starts as soon as the conquering culture believes it's superior. |
| _______________________________ [Feb 17,2011 9:59am - Mutis ""] wizerds ar srs bizns |
| _________________________________ [Feb 17,2011 10:38am - mmoop ""] haupty said:scientology black metal sounds awesome I am going to start a tue scientology black metal project |
| __________________________________ [Feb 17,2011 12:08pm - haupty ""] kvlt scientology |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 17,2011 12:20pm - Alx_Casket ""] IN GOD WE TRVST [img] |
| _________________________________________ [Feb 17,2011 11:43pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] [img] |