100 Demons/Cannae 12-4-04 in Lowell, MA[views:15992][posts:77]Club Fuel (Lowell, Ma) - [cannae][manifest][randomshots][scattered_ashes] ________________________________ [Dec 7,2004 5:02pm - tbone_r ""] we should all trace everyone's IP's and then have a huge sexy party |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 7,2004 7:22pm - the_reverend ""] dood... if psyopus would play, I'm there. and morbius, thanks for the props. anyone who was at this show and didn't expect a fight has never been to a show before. I didn't see what went down in the back. I do know that I was right there when the guy that the police came for was yelling at the bouncers to get off him. sorry if anyone got hurt at this show. hopefully they (DRWebPromo) will be ok and will still go out to shows. you kids are young and have a huge life of shows ahead. now everyone just let this drop or talk about how awesome cannae played for those 4 songs. |
| _________________________________ [Dec 7,2004 7:24pm - succubus ""] the eye of the tiger! |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 7,2004 7:58pm - DRWebPromo ""] oh I still pna on going to shows, and I do know fights do happen at shows, and yes other than a few bruises I'm good and I did enjoy the 3rd of a Cannae song I saw |
| ___________________________________________________ [Dec 7,2004 10:44pm - Johnny "Fuckin" Hardcore ""] Cannae was tight as fuck! Never a bad time had!!! |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 7,2004 10:46pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] asshole |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 8,2004 12:14am - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] Wasn't at the show but I was just thinking: If you're dancing hard and someone pushes you away wouldn't you just push the kid back rather than beating the shit out of him? Or is there more to this story? From what I've read on this and other sites it seems like FSU pits all by themselves while everyone else stands around hoping not to make eye contact. "I was just standing around when..." "My friend was just standing there and..." Are hardcore shows like that? The same however many FSU pitting at every show while 200 kids shrink from the pit? |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 8,2004 12:25am - ArrowHead ""] Ronin has a point. FSU did clear up the local scene a lot, and made the entire local hardcore scene a much better place. However, the scene they helped create is dissolving pretty quickly and has ended up almost as shitty as it was in the first place before the FSU stepped in. I'm not saying it's FSU's fault. I am saying that where 13 years ago I'd be scared that I'd go to a show and some dipshit nazi punk in an exploited jacket might knock my teeth in for no reason, now I'm scared that some crazy out of state Crew kid might kick my teeth in for no reason. I'm not against FSU, but I'd sure as hell like to see it like it was before. So many shows, bands, friends, and cool kids all having a good time and watching each other's backs. Not tolerating dickhead behavior at shows is fine with me, whether the intolerance comes from crew kids, or cops, or whoever I really don't care anymore. FSU is so fucking huge now, and there's more than plenty of level headed decent kids in the organization, I'd love to see some of them start making a stand against this kind of random shit. If only to put an end to all the clubs that keep getting shut down for fights and lawsuits. Start weeding out the bad apples and embarrasments. Start kicking out members for unprovoked fighting. There are plenty of legitimate stories I've heard about members (newer members) starting fights just for the sake of fighting. Granted, most of the time it's just a punch in the face, or a shove, and not a full scale beatdown, but there's so many clueless kids at shows these days who have no clue who's who, and will try to fight back instead of showing respect. Whatever happened to when you could go to a show and see a crew of FSU kids in the pit, all dressed alike, dancing and having a great time throughout the entire show without any fights or toughguy shit? Christ, I remember when shitheads were trying to force their way into the Channel to start trouble during a sunday hardcore matinee show that it was a bunch of FSU that held the kids out and wouldn't let them in. Now I'm hearing stories where the FSU ARE the kids forcing their way into shows? Not cool. |
| _____________________________________________ [Dec 8,2004 12:51am - scream_bleed_repeat ""] we dont need to wait for FSU to make shows better or worse for that matter. everyone just needs to chill out and have fun at shows and try to prevent these fights from happening in the first place. here's a few things we can all do. 1. pay more attention to the music and get lost in it like you did when you were younger, try to just have fun. 2. don't bitch or start shit if you get hit when you are near or in the pit, you chose to be near it. if you don't wanna get hit stay away from the pit, this is a simple rule people have not been following lately, its common sense 3. if someone is acting like and asshole and hits you on purpose be a man and confront him yourself, if you need like 20 kids to beat one kid you my friend are the pussy. see? 3 very simple rules we all could follow to make shows a shit ton better around here. it all seems like common sense, but maybe we need to post these rules at the doors of all shows now? i dunno, just use your brain! |
| __________________________________________ [Dec 8,2004 1:03pm - ahhh memories... ""] i remember going to hardcore shows way back before things were supposedly cleaned up. point 1, the shows were a hell of a lot more intense than they are today, and no one would bitch if they happened to get hit. they'd grin and bear it, and most of the time the person who hit them would atleast make an apologetic gesture before continuing to mosh. point 2, there was never any fear of going to a show due to any "crews" or gangs being present, if anything shows were a place to meet new friends who were interested in the same music. point 3, the music back in the day was so much more sincere in its delivery, as were the response by the fans. Nowadays few bands can keep people moving the entire time, and most of them are merely replicating bands of the past. And this pacing back and forth, waiting for the next open chord breakdown thing is so lame. Do people even give a shit about music anymore? |
| ______________________________ [Dec 8,2004 1:09pm - dan. ""] i would just like to say the girl who posted in bold, sexxystephy, she is so awesome you guys. seriously. what an inspiration to us all. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 8,2004 1:30pm - ArrowHead ""] The shows you talk about "way back before things were cleaned up" in fact sound like you're talking about things right AFTER things changed. That is what shows were like maybe ten years ago, after the crews had started cleaning up boston. Before the arrival of the FSU in the late 80's the boston music scene had been overrun by nazi punk rockers who made shows as uncomfortable as possible. People being slashed with broken bottles, random beatdowns outside of clubs, heavy police prescences at almost every show, and pits were almost non-existent at shows - instead replaced by gangs (for lack of a better word) of shitheads who would stand or dance in front of the stage and not really allow anyone to get anywhere close. Everything you're talking about, from people being respectful and picking each other up off the floor, to the diversity of bands is directly resultant from the FSU and Hardcore scenes taking over the boston scene. Before that, hardcore didn't really exist in boston, there was just a HUGE punk rock scene. The skinheads, rude boys, and FSU cleaned up boston whether you realize it or care to admit it. Also, I'm not saying it was blissful. There were problems even then. I remember a group of crew kids beating a cop with hammer handles at a show I luckily wasn't at one weekend. The violence and gang mentality was always there, but if you showed respect and were smart enough not to fuck with people you could almost be guaranteed not to get into trouble. A bit like the mafia I guess, you know who they were, and you showed them respect and let them do what they want and they'd leave you alone. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 8,2004 1:48pm - jean benet ""] thats so gay. jesus christ. hardcore mafia? oooooohhhohohh!!!! dont tell that kid his celtics jersey is dumb or him and all his friends are gonna beat you up and its because you deserve it...because they own this city!!! oooohhh!!!!!!! |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 8,2004 1:52pm - RustedAngel ""] it's annoying when people say "don't go near the pit if you don't want to get hit, idiot!" when countless times I've seen people get hit who were not near the pit. I don't understand why the people in the pit don't just punch eachother rather than attacking / spinkicking / elbowing people on the sides who is just standing there? If someone holds their hands out to avoid getting hit they get attacked even worse. Fucking stupid. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 8,2004 2:04pm - Johnny Hardcore ""] Suck it up or just don't go! It's so fuckin simple!! Again, it sucked that the altercations had to occur as I was a paying patron myself. I'm not gonna cry about not getting my money back either...it's the risk ya take! I think there other boards to talk about shit like this. Now go kids! |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 8,2004 9:49pm - BigRoninBHC ""] Thank you Arrowhead for pointing that out, its unfortunate that most of these people dont see the reality of this. |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 8,2004 10:04pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] I think a lot of people just need to calm down. So many kids go to shows ready to fight and thinking, "Oh shit, if I fuck up FSU will beat me down!" because of all the stereotypes we hear about the scene. Then there's the FSU "bad apples" arrowhead was talking about who are trying to prove themselves as true toughguys. If people are going into shows on edge (whether in fear or with something to prove) there's bound to be a really bad fight because of their paranoia. Of course all of these fights become "FSU vs. Random Kid" even if FSU had nothing to do with the fight. People make it seem like EVERY person who wins a fight at a show is FSU which is just retarded and only adds to the paranoia on both sides. |
| _________________________________________________ [Dec 8,2004 10:10pm - scattered ashes singer ""] My band played that show with them and yeah it does suck what happend but FSU does have some good things to it... there not all assholes think about a show with scinheads U THINK FSU IS bad they did much more worse shit. FSu can get out of hand but you just got to stay away from it as did i when i was there. Yes it is anoying when they spin kick crowd punch and all that shit BUT THATS BOSTON HARDCORE plan and simple. there no different then any other crew if u fuck with them there not gunna take ure shit. Most people think they JUST go to shows to fucking start fights but thats not true the only time they do is when shit gets thrown there way and they have to deal with it. |
| _________________________________________________ [Dec 8,2004 10:10pm - scattered ashes singer ""] My band played that show with them and yeah it does suck what happend but FSU does have some good things to it... there not all assholes think about a show with scinheads U THINK FSU IS bad they did much more worse shit. FSu can get out of hand but you just got to stay away from it as did i when i was there. Yes it is anoying when they spin kick crowd punch and all that shit BUT THATS BOSTON HARDCORE plan and simple. there no different then any other crew if u fuck with them there not gunna take ure shit. Most people think they JUST go to shows to fucking start fights but thats not true the only time they do is when shit gets thrown there way and they have to deal with it. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 8,2004 11:39pm - DRWebPromo ""] Ok, from what ive read here and the boston beatdown board i see it as ok fsu does do good shit, the benefit shows, the kick guys ass who disrespect girls but they still do the whole beating down random people, maybe i did look at them wrong maybe they thought i was disrespecting their boy by pushing him away, but the thing that bugs me the most is they robbed the office. how does that stand for protecting the scene. thats the real answer i want |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 9,2004 1:09am - BobNOMAAMRooney ""] Awesome Carpathian Forest shirt on Scattered Ashes guitarist. Edit:I didn't realize how hard it is to distinguish a bass from a guitar when I'm really tired. |
| _________________________________ [Dec 9,2004 8:22am - Niccolai ""] I'd like to know what the hell kindof guitar the guitarist is using. (not the ibanez) any idea? |
| ________________________________ [Dec 9,2004 4:46pm - Morbius ""] What was stolen from the office? |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 10,2004 9:36pm - deadringpromo ""] Out of the office, a duffle bag with some clothes and two digital cameras valued at around 500$ each were stolen out of the office. As well as a leather jacket. |
| ___________________________________________ [Dec 10,2004 11:50pm - Johnny Hardcore ""] chances are that no one on this board took anything, but it sure helps if someone knows of anyone that might have performed such a nasty deed. |
| _______________________________________________ [Dec 11,2004 12:19am - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] We all know FSU kids don't wear leather jackets...you lying sack of shit. Hahaha j/k |
| _______________________________________________ [Dec 11,2004 9:07pm - XmikeX not logged in ""] deadringpromo said:Out of the office, a duffle bag with some clothes and two digital cameras valued at around 500$ each were stolen out of the office. As well as a leather jacket. Where was Glen Benton on the night in question? |
| __________________________________ [Dec 11,2004 9:36pm - Niccolai ""] XmikeX not logged in said: Where was Glen Benton on the night in question? Steeling Cameras and a jacket.... But I don't see how it has anything to do with this. |