[news] Lieberman Introduces Anti-WikiLeaks Legislation[views:24366][posts:68]__________________________________________ [Dec 14,2010 8:12pm - Headbanging Man ""] Slag said:http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mike-fri...ends-blog/why-im-posting-bail-money This dude rules. I like Moore sometimes, and very much like what he has to say about supporting Wikileaks, but there's some serious retardation here: I ask you to imagine how much different our world would be if WikiLeaks had existed 10 years ago. Take a look at this photo. That's Mr. Bush about to be handed a "secret" document on August 6th, 2001. Its heading read: "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US." And on those pages it said the FBI had discovered "patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings." Mr. Bush decided to ignore it and went fishing for the next four weeks. But if that document had been leaked, how would you or I have reacted? What would Congress or the FAA have done? Was there not a greater chance that someone, somewhere would have done something if all of us knew about bin Laden's impending attack using hijacked planes? But back then only a few people had access to that document. Because the secret was kept, a flight school instructor in San Diego who noticed that two Saudi students took no interest in takeoffs or landings, did nothing. Had he read about the bin Laden threat in the paper, might he have called the FBI? (Please read this essay by former FBI Agent Coleen Rowley, Time's 2002 co-Person of the Year, about her belief that had WikiLeaks been around in 2001, 9/11 might have been prevented.) While it certainly is interesting to speculate about what effects a Coleen Rowley or John O'Neill might have had through a leak to the media, the best case scenario I can imagine is that they would expose a handful of the potential patsies. But if Moussaoui was an alleged "20th hijacker", it's hard not to imagine that there were other patsies already in the US and ready to step in if needed. Just as the co-conspirators could not legitimately expect the patsies to have the skills to fly into the selected targets (and thus resorted to ROV/UAV technology), so would it have been foolish to gamble such a crucial operation on the presence of 19 alleged jihadists, any of whom could have been arrested or deported before the operation commenced. But then, Michael Moore doesn't have the fortitude to challenge the Standard Democrat's 9/11 Myth that the executive branch merely was incompetent in the face of a terrorist threat. Unfortunately, Mike is an enabler. Great for him to buck Official Democrat Policy on the WL front, but at the end of the day, he'll be Judas-goating for Obama and the shitty right-wingers that rule his party as soon as the next national elections approach. It's a shame how many prominent "progressives" are willing to capitulate to lesser-of-two-evils thinking when push comes to shove. |
| _________________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 1:52am - TheRidersofDoom ""] All non-establishment political movements are swallowed up into one of the two heads of the twin-dragon that dominates the land by the time the big election comes every 4 years the populist movement of the 1880s was swallowed into the democratic party and forever disappeared, they fought to free farmers from the de facto slavery system of the crop lien, outrageous loans, etc. The progressive movement which was neither republican or democrat was split in twain and swallowed by both the labor movement was split in twain and half was swallowed by the democrats the other half still lives on in the socialist/communist/anarchist movements the closest this nation has ever come to breaking the grip of the neo-nobles was with Eugene Debs who ran for president but lost because of the war breaking out. Even today the tea party, which started out as a non-partisan group of anti-neocons has been subverted and turned into the political arm of fox news and has drowned out the original sane voices with the insane war-hawk squawking of racism, jingoistic nationalism, and born-again fundamentalism. How many tea-party/republicans would change their political party if they found out every founding father was a non-christian in the sense of how they see themselves as christians, in fact even madison and jefferson took every chance they could to insult and mock establishment christianity. Separation of Church and state works both ways, no government interference in church and no interference of church in the government...which obviously hasn't worked out seeing that abortion is still a hot topic and stem cell research doesn't receive as much funding as it should. P.S. Legalize weed, chill out war-mongers. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 2:00am - Randy_Marsh ""] I LOVE MYATT |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 7:03am - Slag NLI ""] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/12/breaking-news-eff-victory-appeals-court-holds "In a landmark decision issued today in the criminal appeal of U.S. v. Warshak, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that the government must have a search warrant before it can secretly seize and search emails stored by email service providers" |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 7:31am - SkinSandwich ""] This country has been lulled to sleep, and without most of us realizing it we are spiraling into a police state and losing our freedoms gradually. To me it already feels like a police state. Good times. Gotta love the modern Gestapo. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 7:36am - Slag NLI ""] [img] |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 7:37am - Slag NLI ""] For the record, I completely agree. I feel the beginnings of an awakening in the people (some of us). |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 7:40am - Slag NLI ""] http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/w...ncedes/story-fn775xjq-1225971508634 The world is going to start turning on the USA, one by one. The proverbial "house of cards" is going to tumble and I can't fucking wait. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 7:44am - SkinSandwich ""] Slag%20NLI said:[img] Awesome..... |
| ______________________________ [Dec 15,2010 8:57am - ark ""] Agreed. But remember McCarthyism gentlemen. We don't have the gestapo banging down your door for investigation into your father's communist meetings, not yet. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 15,2010 8:58am - ark ""] Slag%20NLI said:https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2010/12/breaking-news-eff-victory-appeals-court-holds "In a landmark decision issued today in the criminal appeal of U.S. v. Warshak, the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that the government must have a search warrant before it can secretly seize and search emails stored by email service providers" that is huge. I <3 the EFF. |
| __________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 10:23am - Doomkid ""] TheRidersofDoom said:All non-establishment political movements are swallowed up into one of the two heads of the twin-dragon that dominates the land by the time the big election comes every 4 years the populist movement of the 1880s was swallowed into the democratic party and forever disappeared, they fought to free farmers from the de facto slavery system of the crop lien, outrageous loans, etc. The progressive movement which was neither republican or democrat was split in twain and swallowed by both the labor movement was split in twain and half was swallowed by the democrats the other half still lives on in the socialist/communist/anarchist movements the closest this nation has ever come to breaking the grip of the neo-nobles was with Eugene Debs who ran for president but lost because of the war breaking out. Even today the tea party, which started out as a non-partisan group of anti-neocons has been subverted and turned into the political arm of fox news and has drowned out the original sane voices with the insane war-hawk squawking of racism, jingoistic nationalism, and born-again fundamentalism. How many tea-party/republicans would change their political party if they found out every founding father was a non-christian in the sense of how they see themselves as christians, in fact even madison and jefferson took every chance they could to insult and mock establishment christianity. Separation of Church and state works both ways, no government interference in church and no interference of church in the government...which obviously hasn't worked out seeing that abortion is still a hot topic and stem cell research doesn't receive as much funding as it should. P.S. Legalize weed, chill out war-mongers. I like this post. Jefferson's Bible FTW. |
| _______________________________ [Dec 15,2010 10:33am - ark ""] Yeah, every citizen no matter what their political leanings for beliefs tell them, own EVERYTHING to progressive movements of the past, every generation has them...unfortunately, 2 steps forward and 3 steps back for every generation. We're done this before, so many times. |
| _______________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 10:39am - goatcatalyst ""] murder someone. make a difference |
| __________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 11:24am - brodown ""] While it certainly is interesting to speculate about what effects a Coleen Rowley or John O'Neill might have had through a leak to the media, the best case scenario I can imagine is that they would expose a handful of the potential patsies. But if Moussaoui was an alleged "20th hijacker", it's hard not to imagine that there were other patsies already in the US and ready to step in if needed. Just as the co-conspirators could not legitimately expect the patsies to have the skills to fly into the selected targets (and thus resorted to ROV/UAV technology), so would it have been foolish to gamble such a crucial operation on the presence of 19 alleged jihadists, any of whom could have been arrested or deported before the operation commenced. I'm always 50/50 on Mike Moore--he's got some valid points, but he's such a douche that I find him hard to back sometimes...but that's neither here nor there... Did you happen to read the Rowley & O'Neill article that Moore linked to? Its one thing for Moore to speculate, but they both seem to think that if a WikiLeaks-like option would have existed, they may have been able to affect the 9/11 plot in a significant way. |
| ______________________________ [Dec 15,2010 5:00pm - ark ""] the full wikileaks site is back online with the entire collection of worldwide docs. http://www.wikileaks.org |
| ______________________________ [Dec 15,2010 11:07pm - HTR ""] Wikileaks + Soros connection = front |
| ______________________________________________ [Dec 15,2010 11:26pm - Woah!_Shut_It_Down! ""] Is it true the KKK can still receive PayPal payments? Good work, America! |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 16,2010 12:52pm - Slag NLI ""] http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/obama-a...ll-phones-overturned-federal-court/ Federal court blocks Obama Administration attempt to spy on cell phones without a warrant Another victory for the people. |