More important than shows / jokes[views:5035][posts:57]_________________________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 11:07am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] There's always been a lot of jokes about sexual abuse / assault, and definitely been bullshit that floats around on the internet about rape left and right. I understand that something so serious and misunderstood creates good fodder for humor in that the tension is already there, a tension that is almost overwhelming. Nevertheless, lately I have been seeing that rape, incest, molestation, etc has really become this thing that when it actually hurts someone, doesn't get the right kind of attention to help people it actually affects. It's dealt with through memes, spoofs, or on the flipside, rumors, conjecture, and underhanded social maliciousness. All jokes and bullshit rumors aside, I have always felt very strongly about the issues of sexual assault and abuse, have had a number of male and female friends that have experienced this, and, really in line with what xMikex was saying about the garbage that surrounded last night's show, maybe this is a great time to contribute to a positive difference. It's an awkward discussion, and I'm not asking everyone to jump on board, but I figured I'd post some links for anyone that has been a victim of sexual abuse, knows someone who has, or is just plain curious about these issues. You don't need to respond, just click through, learn more, you can retain your privacy and anonymity. It's a shame that the best we can get of this type of conversation, at times, is backbiting scene politics and vaguely illegal child pornography. I'm not condemning anyone, merely stating that if we're going to have a swamp of misinformation and satire, we should represent the stuff that can help, too. If anyone else knows some good resources, especially around New England, feel free to append them. http://rainn.org/ |
| _________________________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 11:12am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] Also, this is a growing organization that a good friend of mine has been working with. I strongly suggest checking them out. Even if you don't need their services, donating even a few dollars to them. They provide legal counseling to both men and women. http://www.victimrights.org/ |
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| ________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 2:12pm - haupty ""] We could go a step further and start a discussion about why humor based around contentious topics such as rape, sexuality, gender, and race is disseminated, or for that matter, even considered funny. How is it that extremely awkward topics make people laugh? Is the laugh response real or an attempt to fit in? Is the rampant misogyny and racism associated with metal only a product of the notion that being vulgar is actually hilarious? What ever happened to humor that is actually funny? Why do people lie to themselves and laugh at this sort of garbage? Why does the "scene" promote such antisocial ideas (which in extreme cases leads to actual violence)? Any takers? Or am I just going to get railed on for not being metal enough because I have a conscience? |
| _____________________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 2:31pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] bennyhillifier |
| __________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 2:35pm - DreadKill ""] haupty said:We could go a step further and start a discussion about why humor based around contentious topics such as rape, sexuality, gender, and race is disseminated, or for that matter, even considered funny. How is it that extremely awkward topics make people laugh? Is the laugh response real or an attempt to fit in? Is the rampant misogyny and racism associated with metal only a product of the notion that being vulgar is actually hilarious? What ever happened to humor that is actually funny? Why do people lie to themselves and laugh at this sort of garbage? Why does the "scene" promote such antisocial ideas (which in extreme cases leads to actual violence)? Any takers? Or am I just going to get railed on for not being metal enough because I have a conscience? i just have a high tolerance for things deemed offensive by the average person. i don't take offense at too many things, unless it's a personal attack. over the years, i've grown to learn that being offended is a choice. i'm not going to let jokes or pictures offend me. in most cases, i find them funny. |
| ________________________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 2:37pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] I'm not complaining: People are going to do whatever they want to do. I'm saying that if we're going to joke and say all this stuff, somewhere, underneath, we have to support the reality and make it clear that as much as we're foolin' around, that harming someone sexually is in reality no joke, that there is help out there, without judgement. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 2:41pm - hauptpflucker ""] It's not so much the offensive nature that concerns me, but I do struggle to grasp what it is that makes these topics funny. Also when you start making real people the butt of these jokes I personally find it crosses a line. Just because it doesn't effect you doesn't mean that as a social being it should be tolerated, or that you shouldn't empathize with the person being attacked, |
| ____________________________ [Jun 3,2010 2:41pm - pam ""] I wish more than anything the penalty for rape was an eye for an eye, and that I could be paid to don a strap-on/broken bottle/splintered baseball bat and deal out the punishment. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 2:43pm - hauptpflucker ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said:I'm not complaining: People are going to do whatever they want to do. I'm saying that if we're going to joke and say all this stuff, somewhere, underneath, we have to support the reality and make it clear that as much as we're foolin' around, that harming someone sexually is in reality no joke, that there is help out there, without judgement. I appreciate these sentiments as well. Being a white man myself it's easy to think that these jokes aren't harmful, however I've met plenty of people not "fortunate" enough to be born white or male who do find them offensive. That seems like a reasonable reason to call even the jokes into question. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 2:46pm - hauptpflucker ""] pam said:I wish more than anything the penalty for rape was an eye for an eye, and that I could be paid to don a strap-on/broken bottle/splintered baseball bat and deal out the punishment. I don't see how monetary compensation would come into play here. But surely if that was the penalty people might think twice... Then again killing people for committing a crime doesn't seem to work as a deterrent either... |
| ____________________________ [Jun 3,2010 2:46pm - pam ""] hauptpflucker said: pam said:I wish more than anything the penalty for rape was an eye for an eye, and that I could be paid to don a strap-on/broken bottle/splintered baseball bat and deal out the punishment. I don't see how monetary compensation would come into play here. But surely if that was the penalty people might think twice... Then again killing people for committing a crime doesn't seem to work as a deterrent either... ...a girl's gotta make a living, guy. The dudes that administer the lethal injection get a paycheck, why not me? |
| _______________________________ [Jun 3,2010 2:46pm - burnsy ""] hauptpflucker said: the_taste_of_cigarettes said:I'm not complaining: People are going to do whatever they want to do. I'm saying that if we're going to joke and say all this stuff, somewhere, underneath, we have to support the reality and make it clear that as much as we're foolin' around, that harming someone sexually is in reality no joke, that there is help out there, without judgement. I appreciate these sentiments as well. Being a white man myself it's easy to think that these jokes aren't harmful, however I've met plenty of people not "fortunate" enough to be born white or male who do find them offensive. That seems like a reasonable reason to call even the jokes into question. Regarding racist jokes, they are doled out quite generously and essentially come full circle a la black and hispanic comedians. I do, however, see your point in a general, non-stand-up-comedy sense. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 2:48pm - hauptpflucker ""] Oh yeah, I mean. I think if white people can't make racist jokes non white people shouldn't either. I do find the societal acceptance of anti white humor equally unsettling. |
| ________________________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 2:50pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] hauptpflucker said: the_taste_of_cigarettes said:I'm not complaining: People are going to do whatever they want to do. I'm saying that if we're going to joke and say all this stuff, somewhere, underneath, we have to support the reality and make it clear that as much as we're foolin' around, that harming someone sexually is in reality no joke, that there is help out there, without judgement. I appreciate these sentiments as well. Being a white man myself it's easy to think that these jokes aren't harmful, however I've met plenty of people not "fortunate" enough to be born white or male who do find them offensive. That seems like a reasonable reason to call even the jokes into question. It's funny you should say that, cause what really brought this to the forefront of my mind was last week a coworker was telling me about a Dave Chappele skit about "man rape" he saw. I wasn't offended, I just realized that I'd heard about a hundred rape jokes in the past few weeks and started thinking about friends of mine, people I care about, who have been assaulted and how they must feel hearing all of the bullshit going on these days with misinformation, ridicule, etc etc Black comedian, though male, still same outcome. |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 2:53pm - hauptpflucker ""] absolutely, if we're going to condone vulgar humor then we need to simultaneously support victims of vulgar/violent crimes. Arguably there should be more support for actual victims than for the humor itself. |
| _______________________________ [Jun 3,2010 3:08pm - Raper ""] [img] |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 3:10pm - hauptpflucker ""] That's not even original, someone posts that stupid pic on every other post on this site. |
| ________________________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 3:10pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] Why would you want a clock that says the same time all the time? Seems pointless. |
| ____________________________ [Jun 3,2010 3:27pm - pam ""] This thread is going to get legendary fast. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 3:32pm - i_am_not_me ""] I'm incredibly disappointed. That took FAR too long to show up in this thread. |
| _________________________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 3:34pm - High Colonic of Reality ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said:I have always felt very strongly about the issues of sexual assault and abuse, have had a number of male and female friends that have experienced this Some people are shithead rapists. Hang them high and kill their children. It's natural selection. |
| _______________________________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 3:35pm - rape all night, sleep all day ""] [img] |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 3:36pm - hauptpflucker ""] i_am_not_me said:I'm incredibly disappointed. That took FAR too long to show up in this thread. I have to say, while it seems pretty obvious this post is at a turning point, it's been surprisingly productive... |
| ________________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 4:35pm - Abraham Rapist ""] [img] |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 4:40pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] bennyhillifier |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 4:41pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] RAPE THREAD GO |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 4:45pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] http://www.myspace.com/scaphismofficial |
| _____________________________ [Jun 3,2010 5:06pm - Lamp ""] I'm a guy who's usually down for all sorts of jokes but rape/molestation jokes just aren't something I can get into personally. I start thinking more and more every day that the people who are most into joking about things like this are the people who go out into the world the least, where they can retreat into their own lives and actually come to the conclusion that rape and racism and what not never happen because they never see it. I try to laugh whatever I can off but it's getting a lot harder for me lately. |
| _____________________________ [Jun 3,2010 5:07pm - Lamp ""] PS: I loled at the Abraham Lincoln picture and as far as the Rapist Glasses video goes, making fun of the rapists is something that will never get old. It's just when you start making fun of the victims that I can't find it funny. |
| _________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 5:16pm - Eli_hhcb ""] Rape is no laughing matter. Unless its clown rape. Really though, Its almost only funny because its so bad/ not funny. |
| _____________________________ [Jun 3,2010 5:40pm - Lamp ""] [img] |
| __________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 5:44pm - arktouros ""] Huge differences between entertainment and subconscious morals. I think our generation knows that well. If a joke is funny, I don't care what it's about. |
| _______________________________ [Jun 3,2010 5:47pm - xmikex ""] pam said: that I could be paid to don a strap-on/broken bottle/splintered baseball bat and deal out the punishment. Please save this as a Quicktime file and send it to me. Thanks. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 5:49pm - Lich_King ""] The misogyny around here gets to me a lot more, as I'm not so sure that that shit's just people fucking around. With a rape joke, you can be pretty sure that people are just laughing because it's so uncomfortable. |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 5:51pm - largefreakatzero ""] I am far too shallow for the excess of feelings that are wafting through this thread. |
| _______________________________ [Jun 3,2010 6:01pm - thesac ""] bennyhillifier |
| _______________________________ [Jun 3,2010 6:04pm - thesac ""] bennyhillifier |
| _______________________________ [Jun 3,2010 6:07pm - thesac ""] bennyhillifier |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 6:38pm - hauptpflucker ""] Holy Fuck Bears playing hockey has to be the coolest thing I've ever seen. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 6:41pm - RustyPS ""] DestroyYouAlot said: bennyhillifier Jon Lajoie is hilarious |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 7:10pm - Alexecutioner ""] DestroyYouAlot said:http://www.myspace.com/scaphismofficial [img] |
| ________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 7:21pm - Doomkid ""] pam said:I wish more than anything the penalty for rape was an eye for an eye, and that I could be paid to don a strap-on/broken bottle/splintered baseball bat and deal out the punishment. I do know a chick who pegs men for a living. Its not counter-rape, but I can put you in touch if you need a alternative income Pam... I have nothing insightful to contribute to this thread, I'm just glad it exists and has stayed relatively on-topic. |
| _________________________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 8:10pm - the ghost of rapes past ""] If a girl ain't dtf, jerk off into a wastebasket while she's in the room. |
| ________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 8:14pm - RustyPS ""] Doomkid said: pam said:I wish more than anything the penalty for rape was an eye for an eye, and that I could be paid to don a strap-on/broken bottle/splintered baseball bat and deal out the punishment. I do know a chick who pegs men for a living. Its not counter-rape, but I can put you in touch if you need a alternative income Pam... I have nothing insightful to contribute to this thread, I'm just glad it exists and has stayed relatively on-topic.leave it to Rowan hahahaha |
| ____________________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 8:16pm - No offense, but... ""] pam said:I wish more than anything the penalty for rape was an eye for an eye, and that I could be paid to don a strap-on/broken bottle/splintered baseball bat and deal out the punishment. I have to disagree here. If someone is willing to rape, they're all kinds of fucked-up and need to be removed from society permanently, preferably with a rope. Punishment isn't about revenge; it's about getting rid of the bad animals. Death is 100% certain. |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 10:04pm - ctb0rderpatrol ""] so this guy walks into planned parenthood and says "excuse me, i need birth control for my 11 year old daughter." shocked at this the attendant is like "WHAT? you have a sexually active 11 year old?" to this he replies, "no ma'am, she just lies there like her mother":nuke: |
| ______________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 10:34pm - the_reverend ""] i thought this was a thread about dmetri martin's show. |
| ________________________________________ [Jun 3,2010 11:16pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] [img] |