the new Star Trek[views:11676][posts:55]_____________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 5:46pm - swampthing ""] Shanal said:Loving this. The Klingons not being involved does, however, make a lot of sense in terms of continuity - at that juncture, I'm not even sure the Federation had made first contact with the Klingons yet. In 2151, humans made first contact with the Klingons in a cornfield in Broken Bow OK. The Klingon was shot by a farmer where he was later nursed back to health and returned to Qo'noS by Starfleet. This was about 100 years before Kirk and before the Federation existed. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 6:08pm - arilliusbm ""] arktouros said: arilliusbm said:there were a number of problems: (spoilers below) 1.) not too sure how I feel about Spock going back in time, etc. 2.) some parts reminded me way too much of star wars (random alien guy at the bar, spock/yoda similarities, monsters on a snow world with a snow cave - Hoth much?) 3.) could have found a better Russian actor instead of that annoying kid 4.) not enough character development for the antagonists 5.) some of it reminded me of Starship Troopers. just some parts were a little cheesy. 6.) they should have destroyed the drill in the first place 7.) we need more Cho 8.) NO KLINGONS AT ALL IN THE MOVIE, ONLY MENTIONS OF THEM 1) trek has always been very liberal with time travel and they do it in many ways (warp, transwarp, borg portals, the end of voyager, wormholes, etc...) and this isn't the first time that trek has pulled the "meeting your older self" trick. 2) the random alien guy at the bar is MORNE from deep space 9. there are at least a couple episodes based on him. he is in most bar scenes and never says a word. i won't even get into how yoda is a ripoff of spock. the ice planet - they needed some desolate place to dump kirk off, meet spock and put a federation outpost, i guess. jungle planet, desert planet, ice planet. it's all been done. trek > wars, etc etc 3) the kid had big shoes to fill and he did a good job. in the 60's series especially, chekov was crucial, having a russian on tv was huge. 4) i agree with this, but they really only needed some absolute evil psychopath who didn't need much development, just a thin back story. they had to use a romulan instead of a klingon, because the romulan would have had a connection to the vulcans and therefore destroying planet vulcan would have greater impact. 5) star trek is the king of cheese. i was surprised there was no obligatory phaser battle in some red rock canyon. 6) the drill's whatever field screwed with the enterprise sensors. LIKE ALWAYS. 7) no, we need more GAY ZULU 8) klingons weren't in the fight and would not have been interacting with the federation at that time. i just wanted to prove aril wrong two years later. just watched this again the other night, it still rules. everyone is onboard and working on a sequel due out next year. the only problem i have with the new cast, is it's cool they got john cho to play zulu, but out of respect to george takei, they should have made the character 100% more homosexual. in this timeline, vulcan is destroyed, and i'm curious to see where they go with that. First off, thank you for flexing your Trekkie knowledge muscles for everyone, even with generalities stated. It far outweighs mine, as I stopped watching and/or caring about Star Trek after TNG ceased. I'm with Shane, fuck DS9. I know a lot of people enjoyed it, but I saw one episode and went back to watching reruns of the original series and TNG. I never considered myself a Trekkie per se and just had a general interest in it, considering I love sci-fi and grew up watching TNG. But not once did I ever obsess over it. I'm a traditionalist: anything after TNG is false IMHO. That being said, here is a slight rebuttal at best, and I hope no offense shall be taken: 1) Indeed. But I wasn't exactly sure how I felt about this part of the story when the movie came out. After giving it some thought, though, I chose to accept it rather than frown upon it. I kind of sneered at the idea when I saw it in the movie. 2) Don't care for MORN, don't care for DS9. I thought the scene was straight-up homage to SW, and unlike anything I've ever seen in a ST episode or movie. If there was one scene that this was made to appeal to a new generation of fans, then I'd pick this as being in the top 5. Frankly, I could give a rat's ass about any alien race they created after TNG. And yes, Snow monster = more homage to SW, trying to draw some SW fans over to the Trek. Everything's been done, but I still think that was blatantly obvious. 3) Kid was annoying and did a bad job, important role or not. Of course, this is subjective. 4) Nothing to say, it had its flaws with character development. 5) King of Cheese? In some ways, yes. In other ways, no. This movie had some uncharacteristic cheesiness in it, at least I thought that when I saw it. Haven't seen it in a while though, and am looking forward to watching it again. 6) Obviously this happens. Suspense. 7) Needs more Cho. Needs more Harold and Kumar. Needs more Asians. 8) While that is true, it would have been nice to actually SEE their rendition of a Klingon at some point in the movie, whether it be through a cut-scene or something. Even though it wouldn't add to the plot of the movie, Klingons are kvlt. I guess it makes sense though, because they'd want to build up future interest for other movies. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 6:13pm - ShadowSD ""] arkquimanthorn said: ShadowSD said:the homogenized dreck the TNG movies became. Now THAT would be a movie. I thought First Contact was okay, I haven't seen any other TNG ones First Contact was the best of the sorry bunch, but utterly mediocre and in many ways incredibly disappointing. It made the usual TNG movie mistakes of: 1. Placing Picard with a woman he has no chemistry with and making them have lots of awkward scenes together 2. Changing the look of the ship and the atmosphere that made the show work so well 3. Making Picard respond to an Admiral going down the wrong path by changing from the usual brilliant strategist on the TV show (consider the skill at every step of the game with which he had to challenge Admirals in the series who were wrong while staying in the framework of his rank) to a go it alone action movie guy who does whatever he wants, and then as he tries to sneak off to do something against the rules, the whole crew pops up and says "we're going with you!". I don't know whether to vomit or to lose IQ points more quickly when I watch those moments. 4. Which leads us to the general fact that the series was as much about posing questions for the person watching to contemplate again and again throughout the show, it was a fundamental part of what made it what it was. The movies are just an attempt to stick the TNG universe into dumbed down, homogenized Hollywood dreck. What's uniquely objectionable about First Contact? Well first off, The Borg, a race of automatons, now have a QUEEN for some reason, who imprisons us and Data in order to have a dozen boring and equally uncomfortable scenes with him (who would have thunk a perpetual threat of having human skin grafted on someone against their will wouldn't be a classic TNG plot?) Never mind the absolute shit unbelievable representation of the era where the warp barrier is broken (Zephyrn Cochran, fucking please) - not to mention the attitude of the TNG characters riding with him and their sudden lack of caring about messing with the timeline. FAIL |
| ___________________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 6:14pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] ya i have a feeling Klingons will be the next film |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 6:29pm - arilliusbm ""] Old News but still a classic: bennyhillifier |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 29,2011 6:33pm - bobnomaamrooney ""] bennyhillifier |