| Now Find a show to go to! Apr 24 (Sat) - Faces of Bayon, Scaphism, Useful Idiot, Fuck Everyone, Suicide Dream, Forced Asphyxiation, Hard No. 9, slag - Club Oasis (Worcester , MA) Saturday 04/24 - WORCESTER 424th FEST! w/Faces of Bayon, Scaphism, Useful Idiot, Forced Asphyxiation, Suicide Dream and moooore.[views:105754][posts:323][show listing] ____________________________________________ [Apr 20,2010 12:01am - FuckIsMySignature ""] Shadow - list your setlist so we can recruit vocalists |
| ______________________________ [Apr 20,2010 7:16am - Yeti ""] yeah man i'll do some Type O with you. |
| ____________________________________________ [Apr 20,2010 10:41am - FuckIsMySignature ""] Set Times 6:00 - Doors Open 6:30 - Fuck Everyone 7:00 - Forced Asphyxiation 7:45 - Suicide Dream 9:00 - Hard No. 9 9:50 - Drum Jam w/ Bryan and Jimbo 10:15 - Useful Idiot (playing Aenima album) 11:30 - Scaphism 12:20 - Faces of Bayon *each band is allowed 2 guests free entry. please have them provide their names to the doorman. *updated 4/21/10 |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 20,2010 11:09am - ShadowSD ""] What we had talked about doing as a two-piece was: Into The Lungs of Hell Improv Jam The Call of Ktulu Original or Improv (Possibly But Not Definite: Either To Live is To Die or Orion) Christian Woman Red Water Life Is Killing Me Yeti said:yeah man i'll do some Type O with you. That would be cool, I can hit the Pete Steele lows pretty well, so I can reasonably pull off those three Type O songs, but I can't do Pete's more full-range/heavier vocals for shit, so it would be wicked cool if we also had you come up for a Type O song with more oomph in the vocals to close out our set - anything in mind? I Don't Wanna Be Me? Blood and Fire? List anything you think might be cool... Also, on the same topic, another idea Casey was throwing around was that we have you come up and sing Armageddon with us as the original song in our set. Either or both of these would be cool with me. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 20,2010 11:17am - ShadowSD ""] FuckIsMySignature said:Set Times 6:00 - Fuck Everyone 6:30 - Forced Asphyxiation 7:15 - Suicide Dream 8:15 - Hard No. 9 9:00 - Drum Jam w/ Bryan and Jimbo 9:30 - Useful Idiot (playing Aenima album) 11:00 - Scaphism 12:00 - Faces of Bayon Hey Tom, is our set still flexible enough that we can push it to an hour or is it now a strict 45 minutes as listed above? I'm looking at our list of songs above, and it's definitely closer to an hour, especially if we add an extra Type O song with Tony on vocals which I'd like us to do. (Although Casey is leaning towards us not doing a second Metallica instrumental in our set anyway, just to avoid a sense overkill, so that may solve itself by axing ten minutes). Either way, just let me know and we'll be prepared. |
| ____________________________________________ [Apr 20,2010 11:21am - FuckIsMySignature ""] ya i can work something out ...gimme til lunch time and i'll rearrange it |
| ____________________________________________ [Apr 20,2010 11:25am - FuckIsMySignature ""] ok check it again and see how that works |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 20,2010 12:01pm - ouchdrummer ""] oh neat, so when you edit something that someone else quotes, it changes in their quotes too? Let's try it, you're a daisy. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 20,2010 12:01pm - ouchdrummer ""] ouchdrummer said:oh neat, so when you edit something that someone else quotes, it changes in their quotes too? Let's try it, you're a faggot. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 20,2010 12:03pm - ouchdrummer ""] haha, nope. Didn't work the way i thought it would. My first post still says you're a faggot. I didn't mean that ya know. *wink wink* |
| ____________________________________________ [Apr 20,2010 12:05pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] i see jimbo started early in his celebrations today. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 20,2010 12:05pm - ouchdrummer ""] Tom - Just wanted to say thank you in advance, we love playing in Worcester, and we love the Oasis. We are totally thrilled about this show, and are thankful that we can do all of the album in such a good time slot. We have another show in a couple months at Ralph's that we're doing all of Lateralus. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 20,2010 12:06pm - ouchdrummer ""] yup yup |
| ____________________________________________ [Apr 20,2010 12:08pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] ouchdrummer said:Tom - Just wanted to say thank you in advance, we love playing in Worcester, and we love the Oasis. We are totally thrilled about this show, and are thankful that we can do all of the album in such a good time slot. We have another show in a couple months at Ralph's that we're doing all of Lateralus. no prob jim...its always a treat when useful comes to town. expecting this to a memorable show for all bands/attendees included. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 20,2010 1:18pm - Yeti ""] ShadowSD said:What we had talked about doing as a two-piece was: Into The Lungs of Hell Improv Jam The Call of Ktulu Original or Improv (Possibly But Not Definite: Either To Live is To Die or Orion) Christian Woman Red Water Life Is Killing Me Yeti said:yeah man i'll do some Type O with you. That would be cool, I can hit the Pete Steele lows pretty well, so I can reasonably pull off those three Type O songs, but I can't do Pete's more full-range/heavier vocals for shit, so it would be wicked cool if we also had you come up for a Type O song with more oomph in the vocals to close out our set - anything in mind? I Don't Wanna Be Me? Blood and Fire? List anything you think might be cool... Also, on the same topic, another idea Casey was throwing around was that we have you come up and sing Armageddon with us as the original song in our set. Either or both of these would be cool with me. you don't have to add a song, i'll do Christian Woman or Life is Killing Me. in fact i'd really like to do Christian Woman if at all possible, that's one of my favorite songs to sing along to. Blood and Fire would work too. so would Xero Tolerance. really anything. the only album i have trouble with is October Rust, that's an album that is unique to his voice. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 21,2010 8:37am - ouchdrummer ""] i think yeti doing Christian Women will be mildly arousing. |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 21,2010 8:46am - josh_hates_you ""] Sacreligion said:I'm gonna talk to Tam or Uma about getting there early for this show. The club normally opens at 6 or a lil later and I'm sure bands will want to load in early and people will want the bar to be ready to go when they arrive. FuckIsMySignature said:6:00 - Fuck Everyone first band starts at the same time the doors open? so what time is load in at? am i bringing that other PA? do i have time to set it up? |
| ___________________________________________ [Apr 21,2010 9:36am - FuckIsMySignature ""] mike seems to think we can get the club open for 5 for loadin and set up. i'd like to have the show start at 6 but i left it open for a later start if necessary. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 21,2010 10:27am - ShadowSD ""] Did anything ever work out as far as someone recording the show on CD? |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 21,2010 10:44am - ouchdrummer ""] I can bring my real time cd burner to the gig, if someone can put a L/R RCA connection into it, we can do a recording. I'll supply cds too, the only issue would be capturing the things that we're not mic'ing for the board, like most of the drums/guitar/bass. Although, we could do a board input, and a room mic from on stage to capture that stuff. I dunno, i'll bring my stuff and we'll see how it works out. |
| ____________________________________________ [Apr 21,2010 10:45am - FuckIsMySignature ""] that sounds cool... i'm sure we can fig somethin out |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 21,2010 10:52am - ShadowSD ""] No guitar microphones at this place? I can bring an SM57 if there isn't one down there... |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 21,2010 10:59am - ouchdrummer ""] Well for acoustic stuff sure, but for the louder stuff, usually the guitar/bass amps are loud enough so that only the signer and bass drum need be mic'd. For you guys though, since you're doing the more minimalist thing, you'd probably mic it all. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 21,2010 11:09am - ShadowSD ""] Cool, OK, that would be ideal. Thanks for offering to bring your recording gear to the gig, always a good thing to have a CD afterwards. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 21,2010 11:10am - ouchdrummer ""] de nada. |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 21,2010 12:00pm - josh_hates_you ""] i talked to tom about maybe recording this at one point. he said i could if i wanted to. if you guys REALLY want it recorded i could be convinced to do it. i just need time to set up. can't do it at 6. 24 track hard disk recorder 16 channel mackie mixer plenty of drum and instrument mics + cables i'd have to split signals somewhere to feed vox and kick to the house this computer is shitty, outdated and doesnt have any editing programs. so i'd either give you the .wav files (easier said than done) to do what you want with and edit/mix yourself or mix it down to 2 track off the board with some minor outboard effects, eq and compression |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 21,2010 12:02pm - ouchdrummer ""] I know we'd love it to be done, although it's up to tom whether or not there'd be time to get it done. I dunno if the set up/break down for all the mics for everyband would take to long. |
| ____________________________________________ [Apr 21,2010 12:03pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] i could push up the start time of the bands to 630 but i dont really want to go later than that. i'll try to confirm with mike about getting in there for 5 to set shit up in advance. |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 21,2010 12:06pm - josh_hates_you ""] since the levels are going to tape rather than the house i dont have to be too fussy about levels. as long as they dont clip i can adjust them later when mixing. once all the mics are set up its just a matter of putting them in front of cabs and clipping onto drums for every band. i'd have to do some ghetto micing if someone has 4 toms or double bass. |
| ____________________________________________ [Apr 21,2010 12:19pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] FuckIsMySignature said:Set Times 6:00 - Doors Open 6:30 - Fuck Everyone 7:00 - Forced Asphyxiation 7:45 - Suicide Dream 9:00 - Hard No. 9 9:50 - Drum Jam w/ Bryan and Jimbo 10:15 - Useful Idiot (playing Aenima album) 11:30 - Scaphism 12:20 - Faces of Bayon *each band is allowed 2 guests free entry. please have them provide their names to the doorman. *updated as of 4/21/10 |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 21,2010 2:17pm - Sacreligion ""] Opening early won't be a problem. If there's someone who doesn't mind setting up the recording stuff all night then they can go right ahead and do it. We'd have to do what Josh said though and split the signal of the kick and vox so we don't overload the mains and make them sound like mud balls. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 21,2010 5:37pm - ShadowSD ""] Hey Mike, do you know if there are any effects available on the PA? (reverb, etc) |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 22,2010 4:10am - Sacreligion ""] Yes. A wide range of things, most of which sound kind of cheesy but the reverb and delays are fine. As far as mic'ing guitars, we have the mics and the channels and the capabilities if need be, but if you're bringing a half-stack chances are that it will stand in the room on its own, allowing the mains to have more room to produce the vox and kick. It's bare bones but works fine if you're not trying to play your amps at 10. Snare and toms cut through alright. The main problem with the room is the wash between a tinny guitar tone and the cymbals. Hooray for mirrors everywhere on the ceiling. If this is going to end up being a huge production with the recording and criss-crossing of PA equipment I may even ask them to open at 4...maybe not for business but to at least allow ample time to set up everything. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 22,2010 4:15am - Sacreligion ""] Also, now that I think about it our kick mic is gone all haywire and not reliable enough to last through a show this long. If anyone that's coming has one that we could use for the evening I would be much obliged to smoke copious amounts of doobage with you. |
| ______________________________ [Apr 22,2010 7:37am - Yeti ""] perhaps Alex or Evan can bring the one from our practice space. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 22,2010 8:19am - ShadowSD ""] If not, I have a good sounding kick drum mic I could bring if need be, although odds are not the same quality as the one you guys can bring (this is a nameless mic that was sixty bucks new, although it sounds better than it has any right to). Sacreligion said:It's bare bones but works fine if you're not trying to play your amps at 10. Snare and toms cut through alright. The main problem with the room is the wash between a tinny guitar tone and the cymbals. Hooray for mirrors everywhere on the ceiling. Good to know that the options are there if need be. Between Casey's naturally loud drumming and my atmospheric guitar tone pushing inhuman amounts of low end for a guitar versus being relatively low on the presence scale, usually things work out a lot better if we mic the half stack just for that little extra oomph. Otherwise, I can put it at the front of the stage and the crowd hears fine, but we can't hear it, or I put it at the back of the stage, and every cymbal crash cuts through the high frequencies of the chorus in the distortion like a knife, because the soundwaves are physically dissipating before they get there - so the crowd can somewhat hear it, but it slightly seems to be fading in and out obnoxiously like an unintended phaser effect. Since I'm also covering for all bass frequencies it at this particular gig, micing the guitar will be especially helpful if possible. Good to hear there's reverb. Hall reverb is a necessary part of the slight of hand to create the illusion that my vocals are decent :LOL: I also find that adding hall reverb to the keyboards and kick always tends to enhance our sound, and (although I doubt you'll have time to do this at the show) sometimes when we're doing a particularly gothic/atmospheric song (Mourning Rain, a Type O cover, etc.) we'll even throw an extra two mics on the kit turned up very low through the board but doused heavily in hall reverb; it creates the illusion of that type of drum sound quite convincingly by adding the extra sense of depth to the toms and snare. |
| _______________________________________ [Apr 22,2010 8:27am - Alexecutioner ""] my kick drum mic is just as bad probably, i can bring it tho just incase |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 22,2010 8:37am - ouchdrummer ""] my friend, and sound efficienado-BLUE will be coming to this show, and he has a nice bass drum mic he keeps with him in his car. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 22,2010 8:46am - ouchdrummer ""] Sacreligion said:Yes. A wide range of things, most of which sound kind of cheesy but the reverb and delays are fine. As far as mic'ing guitars, we have the mics and the channels and the capabilities if need be, but if you're bringing a half-stack chances are that it will stand in the room on its own, allowing the mains to have more room to produce the vox and kick. It's bare bones but works fine if you're not trying to play your amps at 10. Snare and toms cut through alright. The main problem with the room is the wash between a tinny guitar tone and the cymbals. Hooray for mirrors everywhere on the ceiling. If this is going to end up being a huge production with the recording and criss-crossing of PA equipment I may even ask them to open at 4...maybe not for business but to at least allow ample time to set up everything. I totally agree, it's not worth putting the guitars through the PA, any amp worth it's weight in salt can be heard well in the room. As fas as snare/toms.. i think they CAN be heard, and i plan on having MINE heard, but i think a big part of that is where you're setting up the drums. I set mine up on the side, in front of the amps. And that gives them a much better chance of being heard. (You can turn the amps up, you can't turn the drums up.) Also you gotta whale on the drums, which is also up to the drummer. With all that in mind for the drums, and some common sense for where you put the amps in relation to where the band members stand, you should have a workable stage sound for the band, and you'll have the potential for a great overall sound. |
| _______________________________________ [Apr 22,2010 9:13am - boblovesmusic ""] WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!! |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 22,2010 9:14am - ouchdrummer ""] boblovesmusic said:WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!! u don't smoke, cut it out. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 22,2010 9:54am - ShadowSD ""] This is 4/20 week after all, so maybe we can corner him at the show. :whipper: ouchdrummer said:my friend, and sound efficienado-BLUE will be coming to this show, and he has a nice bass drum mic he keeps with him in his car. I think we have a winner. ouchdrummer said:As fas as snare/toms.. i think they CAN be heard, and i plan on having MINE heard, but i think a big part of that is where you're setting up the drums. I set mine up on the side, in front of the amps. And that gives them a much better chance of being heard. (You can turn the amps up, you can't turn the drums up.) Also you gotta whale on the drums, which is also up to the drummer. I think individual musicians matter as well because some people hit harder than others on average. With our drummer, we'd never mic the snare and toms for volume's sake (unless the room was gigantic), only for that aforementioned reverb trick, because he hits pretty hard when it comes to the heavy stuff and it would be overkill; I'd consider Matt Johnson of Despoilment another top-notch drummer with this same quality. On the other hand, I've seen plenty of good bands where a really impressive drummer had to do a ton of fast beats during a set and you could barely hear the drums for a lot of it, not because the guitar volume was ridiculous, but because the drummer wasn't the hardst hitter and was pacing himself out of necessity; in these sorts of situations, it sounds great if the snare and toms are mic'd but fairly lacking otherwise. There are also times as a soundguy when I've had to turn up the kick drum microphone five times as loud for a particular band that I really liked because their drummer muffled it a lot and didn't hit it too hard - and I always had to adjust a bit for each drummer I ran sound for even the kick drum was the only one being mic'd. So it really depends on the player. Guitar volume is all about the presence factor in the guitar tone. If we were say a straight thrash band, I could have a 100 Watt Cab and be fine in any mid-sized room without a microphone. But since the guitar tone I go for is more of a doomy, gothic, low-end driven sound that cuts out a LOT of midrange, even with my 400W half stack cab, it still helps to have an extra boost because our drummer is on the louder side - because, as a flip side to the rule you mentioned, when a hard hitting drummer plays a heavy beat, he can't "turn down" either. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 22,2010 10:07am - ouchdrummer ""] so, not to be a dick but, your whole large first paragraph there was to..... agree with me? I'm pretty sure i stated that you have to whale on the drums, which is up to the drummer. But by all means, make the same point i did, and make it sound like you're adding something. hahaha, sorry i couldn't help myself. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 22,2010 10:15am - ShadowSD ""] I was trying to show the difference I had on the guitar point but that I agreed with you on the drums. And also that while the drummer's choice is a variable, the choice of drummer is also - if that makes any sense - although maybe that could have been taken from what you said in the first place - I don't know. Just shooting the shit. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 22,2010 10:17am - ouchdrummer ""] i'm also just being "playful" please don't take offense. I think your statements are intelligent and well thought out. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 22,2010 10:23am - ShadowSD ""] None taken. I look forward to smoking unholy amounts of pot with you and having a kick ass show Saturday. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 22,2010 10:51am - Yeti ""] ITT: bromance blooms |
| ____________________________________________ [Apr 22,2010 11:08am - FuckIsMySignature ""] i think i'm gonna avoid reading most of that |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 22,2010 11:08am - trampletheweak ""] will be theres with potttsss |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 22,2010 11:24am - ouchdrummer ""] Yeti said:ITT: bromance blooms don't get jealous. |