Open letter from Chris Grigg of Woe to Hunter Hunt-Hendrix of Liturgy[views:153433][posts:282]________________________________________ [Jun 14,2011 4:12pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] And, again - most of the people in here who're upset that we're even talking about this are openly disdainful of, and certainly want no part in, black metal culture - which raises the question of why the fuck we'd care what they had to say on the matter in the first place. |
| __________________________________ [Jun 14,2011 5:20pm - brian_dc ""] cuz lol |
| ________________________________________ [Jun 14,2011 5:27pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] TOUCHÉ, GOOD SIR. |
| ________________________________________ [Jun 14,2011 5:27pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] also how was that not a "tl;dr" |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 14,2011 6:17pm - bobnomaamrooney ""] Easily the worst thing about this band and contemporaries such as Krallice is that the genre they're aping is so reliant on atmosphere and context that it's really apparent when inauthentic bands play what they think of as black metal. In that respect these interlopers have no more artistic merit than, say, Eyes of Noctum. Or as I posted on Krallice after last year's show at Great Scott, band of their ilk's aimless noodling rings as hollow as any USBM band fabricating a pagan heritage to sing about (does Krallice get double points for throwing a Mjölnir into their logo?). In Krallice's case the music isn't connected to anything, it simply exists as shred records; for Liturgy the context is the mile wide and inch deep concept of North American rebirth or something having to do with Aaron Copeland compositions. That's arguably more pathetic an excuse for co-opting black metal than Krallice's shredding because it presents a whitewashed and childish view of North American history as its atmospheric thrust. It's not even a question of pastoral vs. urban black metal, there are a number of bands who capably write black metal that reflect their urban experiences. These "hipster" black metal bands seem unwilling to do so, whether it's a lack of knowledge beyond second-wave Norwegian bands or willful adherence to a narrow spectrum of influences I'm not sure. And it's a shame because you can make incredible black metal records with an urban context. I don't think any band does this better than Antaeus, Listening De Principii Evangelikum you can hear the crushing density and alienation of Paris' banlieues in everything from the wall of sound drumming and guitars to the terse almost exclusively monosyllabic lyrics MkM grunts in short bursts. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 14,2011 6:20pm - arilliusbm ""] subculture within a former subculture, but now officially a culture due to trendy overnighters and popularity, forcing it to lose its subculture status* |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 14,2011 6:22pm - arilliusbm ""] I'm going to leave my serious response out of this because Rich Horror will BAN me here |
| ________________________________________ [Jun 14,2011 6:42pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] you need an RTTP premium account for that. |
| ____________________________________ [Jun 14,2011 9:36pm - Alx_Casket ""] *finger over the +warning level button* |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 14,2011 9:40pm - bobnomaamrooney ""] [img] |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 14,2011 9:57pm - AndrewBastard ""] only rites of darkness style black metal is real |
| ________________________________________ [Jun 14,2011 10:12pm - NuclearWinter ""] AndrewBastard said:only Neanderthal style black metal is real Fix'd. |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 14,2011 11:07pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] NuclearWinter said: AndrewBastard said:only Neanderthal style black metal is real Fix'd. Back'd. -Oog |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 14,2011 11:15pm - goatcatalyst ""] Too much high-minded metaphysical faggotry and meaningless option-volleying in this thread and no bestial devotion, goat worship, sigil doting or possession to be found. Fuck us one and all. Not a worthy soul to be found here, my worthless self included. Shut off your computers and remove your names from the book of life. / thread (for me, at least) |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 14,2011 11:30pm - Alx_Casket ""] AndrewBastard said:only rites of darkness style black metal is real You better be taking work off for it. |
| ____________________________________________ [Jun 14,2011 11:32pm - quadruple nigger ""] You white folks sho is crazy |
| __________________________________________________ [Jun 15,2011 5:43am - Totally the real Abbath ""] EH EH EH!!!!!!! none of these faggots are northern or grim enough to be true black metal! |
| _______________________________ [Jun 15,2011 7:43am - Varg ""] This is ...huh... War |
| ______________________________________________ [Jun 15,2011 8:30am - Varg`s brother Sven ""] Shut up Varg |
| ____________________________________________________ [Jun 15,2011 8:40am - Euronymous from the grave ""] You morons are all wrong. Black metal is about silly music, banging women, and hanging out at Anthrax concerts. That faggy douche varg killed me because he is a sad loner no one liked while others enjoyed my band very much and he was jealous. Remember? Shut up about black metal you sillynanny know nothing american pricks. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 15,2011 8:41am - poopshit ""] singer for Liturgay looks like a nice fresh-faced little girl. it would be hilarious for him to get thrown in prison with a huge 300-pound black dude cellmate. |
| __________________________________________ [Jun 15,2011 9:12am - sextuple nigger ""] White boys be wilin the fuck out in this thread, imma text my boy greggry bout this ish |
| _________________________________________ [Jun 15,2011 11:19am - DestroyYouAlot ""] Thread got sexy. |
| ________________________________________ [Jun 15,2011 11:22am - AndrewBastard ""] I'm 80% going to RoD III |
| _________________________________ [Jun 16,2011 12:47pm - thesac ""] [img] |
| ________________________________________ [Jun 16,2011 2:32pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] /perfection |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 20,2011 10:46am - THE TRUTH ""] BlessedOffalNLI said:the thing that is really fucking with metal is all the over analyzing and caring about what others do so much. Who gives a shit about this toolbox hunter? Does his presence make A Blaze in the Northern Sky any less great? Posers have always been and always will be around. Focus on the worthwhile and just ignore the worthless, its not that difficult. WELL PUT. I agree that black metal in general should progress and grow rather than reiterating an exhausted theme or idea, but the way Hunter presents it is beyond ridiculous. Their music is decent. Krallice is pretty good. But it's not that the music itself is soooo unique. Who's to say what Deathspell Omega was doing wasn't pushing black metal in an entirely new direction? In fact, I would cite them as a band that "TRANSCENDED" the genre, and maintained the genre's original ethos while doing something new with the actual music, its aesthetic and its sound. Black metal musicians (in NEBM as well): You take yourself way too seriously. You of all people should be excited to see something different in black metal. Aren't we supposed to go against the fucking grain. Yeah man, rock your gauntlet. Grow a big beard. Act hard. Wicked black metal. I think if your music sounds exactly like every other black metal band you fail as a musician. But if you over-analyze everything, you fail as a person. Stop using the word hipster in general. I will never "play black metal" ever again. Mostly because of you ignorant, over-analytical douche bags. Woe, you guys are on point. Congrats for maintaining respect, but providing constructive criticism. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 20,2011 10:51am - THE TRUTH ""] p.s. my band Frontier is the only band around here worth paying attention to. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 20,2011 10:54am - THE TRUTH ""] I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like Me. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 20,2011 11:00am - THE TRUTH ""] Frontier is the best band in the world. |
| _______________________________ [Jun 20,2011 11:12am - ark ""] THE%20TRUTH said:I will never "put cream cheese" on my bagel ever again. Mostly because of you ignorant, over-analytical breakfast fascists. |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 20,2011 11:21am - THE TRUTH ""] Frontier guy doesn't go on Return to the Pit. You mad? [img][img] |
| _________________________________ [Jun 20,2011 11:23am - xmikex ""] 180 replies about not over analyzing |
| _________________________________ [Jun 20,2011 11:27am - burnsy ""] heh said:[img] Needs more "like like like" |
| _____________________________________ [Jun 20,2011 11:41am - THE TRUTH ""] THE%20TRUTH said:Frontier guy doesn't go on Return to the Pit. You mad? [img][img] Oh.... Riiiiiiight.... I forgot. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 20,2011 11:43am - posbleak ""] I'm a giant pussy and I can't grow a beard, can I still become black metal? I need someone's permission please |
| ____________________________________________ [Jun 20,2011 11:57am - FuckIsMySignature ""] bearded clam black metal or GTFO. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 20,2011 12:02pm - posbleak ""] I have a note from my teacher that says I'm black metal so I get to sit out gym. |
| __________________________________________ [Jun 20,2011 12:05pm - bobnomaamrooney ""] Thread is now about fried clams and Antaeus, fuck you. |
| __________________________________________ [Jun 20,2011 12:06pm - bobnomaamrooney ""] Cut Your Flesh and Worship Woodmans Of Essex |
| __________________________________________ [Jun 20,2011 12:07pm - bobnomaamrooney ""] Nave x Kelly's |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 20,2011 4:33pm - nekronaut ""] I didn't know beards were black metal, I've just always wanted to grow one. Works for me since I'm in a black metal band! :bartmoon: |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 20,2011 4:35pm - Czarnobog ""] HARD BEARD TALK. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 20,2011 4:42pm - nekronaut ""] ONLY TALK OF HARD STARES IS REAL. [img] |
| __________________________________ [Jun 20,2011 4:57pm - posbleak ""] nekronaut said:ONLY TALK OF HARD STARES IS REAL. [img] |
| ___________________________________________ [Jun 20,2011 5:00pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] [img] NOM |
| ___________________________________________ [Jun 20,2011 5:02pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] [img] i see potential for meme here.. |
| _______________________________________ [Jun 20,2011 5:09pm - Alexecutioner ""] this thread is now four pages long. did they touch dicks yet? do it and get it over with. |
| ______________________________ [Jun 20,2011 5:17pm - Yeti ""] the beard is necessary for the amount of beer that flies out of your face when you sing. you can wring it out and start anew. |
| ___________________________________ [Jun 20,2011 5:20pm - nekronaut ""] Only being wasted on stage, considering you are the first band of the night, and drinking/singing is real. |