2011 NFL Draft thread (Hi Rusty and XMikeX)[views:37895][posts:252]_________________________________ [Mar 3,2011 7:23pm - Dankill ""] xmikex said:I thought d line was the biggest need until Stephen Neal retired. I am officially flip flopping and saying O line is the biggest need specifically in the interior. In that case, your boy Pouncey could def happen at #28 |
| ________________________________ [Mar 3,2011 8:20pm - RustyPS ""] Pouncey would be a great pick IMO |
| _______________________________ [Mar 3,2011 9:05pm - xmikex ""] So try this out: The RTTP Patriots Mock-Mock Draft Challenge The rules: - Take the existing WF 6 round mock draft and make all 9 selections. - Every round EXCEPT the first round you're allowed to choose a player WF mocks up to 3 spots up from where the Patriots are drafting (ex. At pick #92 you're eligible to select anyone listed before or after #89). Players taken before the -3 point should be considered drafted and unavailable. - List an alternate for each pick (built in rule for me because I can't settle on anything) - Players not listed on the WF mock draft list are also eligible for draft - Prepare to doubt yourself seconds after posting Mine: 17. Gabe Carimi OT Wisconsin / Adrian Clayborn DE / OLB Iowa 28. Mike Pouncey G Florida / Johnathan Baldwin WR Pitt 33. Stephen Paea DT Oregon State / Rodney Hudson G FSU 57. Jabaal Sheard DE/OLB Pitt / Marcus Cannon TCU 74. Rashad Carmichael CB Virginia Tech/ Greg Jones LB Michigan State 92. Dontay Moch OLB / Kendric Burney CB UNC 124. Marcus Gilbert OT Florida / Darryl Skrine CB/ST UT Chattanooga 156. Chris Carter DE OLB Fresno State / Marcus Gilchrist CB Clemson 188. Jamie Harper RB Clemson / Terrell McClain DT South Florida Clayborn over Watt just because I like pissing people off. Paea is a must at 33 as far as I'm concerned. Jabaal Sheard is a very under rated 3-4 OLB prospect. Greg Jones is considered more of a 4-3 prospect but he was a tackling machine at Michigan State. Dontay Moch, even though he didn't have the numbers in 2010, is one of the most athletic linebackers I've ever seen. Potentially great value pick. Gilbert impressed me a lot at the combine, and so did Skrine (ran his 40 in the 4.2's). If Chris Carter is available at 156 it's a must. Jamie Harper, all things considered, bombed at Clemson and might not even get drafted but I think he has the raw talent to be a solid NFL player. |
| _______________________________ [Mar 3,2011 9:07pm - xmikex ""] Also, the Clayborn pick is a moot point because if Kerrigan and Carimi are both off the boards Belichick is going to the phones. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 3,2011 9:32pm - RustyPS ""] xmikex said:- Every round EXCEPT the first round you're allowed to choose a player WF mocks up to 3 spots up from where the Patriots are drafting (ex. At pick #92 you're eligible to select anyone listed before or after #89). Players taken before the -3 point should be considered drafted and unavailable. umm what? |
| _______________________________ [Mar 3,2011 9:42pm - xmikex ""] Allow me to explain with an example. We're working off of: http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2011.php According to the WF mock, the second round will go: Pick 56: Saints Mason Foster Pick 57: Seahawks Jabaal Sheard Pick 58: Ravens Christian Ballard Pick 59: Falcons Randall Cobb Pick 60: Patriots... The rules simply state that for the 60th overall pick you can select for the Patriots any player mocked to go 3 spaces before that pick. So I can put down Jabaal Sheard as the Patriots pick, BUT I can't put Mason Foster because he's 4 spots ahead of the 60th overall pick, and therefore should be considered drafted already. This is acceptable for every round except the 1st round. It's the only way I could think of to take into account trades without really getting into gritty detail over it. |
| _________________________________ [Mar 3,2011 9:50pm - Dankill ""] oooooooooh, this should be fun. |
| ___________________________________________________ [Mar 4,2011 1:11pm - RustyPS should be working ""] speaking of WF, he's had this s a Pats pick alternative at #17 for a while: 1. Muhammad Wilkerson or Corey Liuget, DE/DT - Cameron Jordan will be the pick if he somehow makes it to No. 17, but I doubt he falls this far. Other five-techniques not named J.J. Watt are options as well. why would Watt not be an option for the Pats? he has the drive and passion BB loves |
| _______________________________ [Mar 4,2011 1:43pm - xmikex ""] Something about the way Watt plays makes me think he's not as automatic for a 3-4 DE as everyone might think. I think he plays more like a pass rushing 4-3 DT than anything. |
| ___________________________________________________ [Mar 4,2011 2:00pm - RustyPS should be working ""] I think he's more of the 5-technique than Liuget, haven't seen enough of Wilkerson to judge his play |
| _______________________________ [Mar 4,2011 4:01pm - xmikex ""] Food for thought on Wilkerson. He had 10 sacks in 2010. 6 of them were between Buffalo (2-10) and Kent State (5-7). |
| _________________________________ [Mar 4,2011 4:25pm - brian_dc ""] clearly, since there will be a player lockout, first pick in the draft will be none other than Keanu Reeves. |
| _________________________________ [Mar 4,2011 8:39pm - Dankill ""] Ok, following Mike's rules, here is my current mock draft. 17. J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin/Gabe Carimi, OT, Wisconsin 28.Mike Pouncey, G, Florida /Akeem Ayers, DE/OLB, UCLA 33. Mikel Leshoure, RB, Illinois / Stefen Wisniewski, C/G, Penn State 60. Jabaal Sheard DE/OLB Pitt /Randall Cobb, WR/KR, Kentucky 74. Jake Kirkpatrick, C, TCU / Rashad Carmichael, CB, Virginia Tech 92. Dontay Moch, DE/OLB, Nevada/ Owen Marecic, FB, Stanford 124. Dwayne Harris, WR/KR, East Carolina / Marcus Gilbert, OT, Florida 156. Mark Herzlich, OLB, Boston College/ Derek Hall, OT, Stanford 188. Chris L. Rucker, CB/FS, Michigan State / Terrell McClain, DT, South Florida |
| _______________________________ [Mar 8,2011 2:56pm - xmikex ""] Is it time to take a break when you're scouring the Lindenwood Pro Day? bennyhillifier I was looking at Leshoure the other day. His stats are unbelievable, but the guy has such a weird style of running. A lot of time's it's like he has no interest in making defenders miss, and is just waiting to be tackled. Wisniewski didn't do it for me in the combine. I kept hearing about him as a candidate for 33, but he looked really stiff and sloppy in his drills. I'm really intrigued by Mark Herzlich, but I've also heard from credible sources that he's a 4-3 guy only. I'm really glad to see other people aren't taking the bait on Solder. I also don't see where all this supposed desperation to get a starting left tackle is coming from. Vollmer is a better LT than Matt Light is. Whoever we draft is going to RT if anywhere. |
| ___________________________________________________ [Mar 9,2011 8:51am - RustyPS should be working ""] lastest WF mock: #17 - Cam Jordan #28 - Akeem Ayers #33 - Mikel Leshore !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| _______________________________ [Mar 9,2011 8:53am - xmikex ""] I'm not big on Ayers and I don't think Belichick will be either. But Jordan to the Pats at 17 would be a very happy surprise. Now if we could just get mock drafts to have ANY sort of reflection on real life. |
| ___________________________________________________ [Mar 9,2011 9:01am - RustyPS should be working ""] I think if Jordan is there at 17, BB will pull the trigger I've been wishy washy on Ayers, looks like a straight up 4-3 Will LB to me...I'm more of a Justin Houston fan, but he most likely won't be at 28...I believe Pouncey would be the guy to target there |
| _______________________________ [Mar 9,2011 9:14am - xmikex ""] Upon closer look the latest WF mock sucks for the Pats. 17. Jordan (yes) 28. Ayers (no) 33. Leshore (on the fence) 60. Danny Watkins (27 year old guard prospect everyone is gushing about but I wasn't overly impressed with in the combine. Marcus Cannon and Clint Boling are still on the board at this point.) 74. Joseph Barksdale (if we traded Randy Moss for an OT I've never even heard of I'll lose my mind AGAIN). 92. Edmund Gates (this would make 3 third round receivers in 3 years) 124. Shiloh Keo (I like this guy a lot actually.) 156. Jeremy Beal (great tackling linebacker with great instincts but he's soooo fucking slow) 188. Devon Torrence (Write this down: Devon Torrence sucks. Even for a 6th rounder). |
| ___________________________________________________ [Mar 9,2011 9:29am - RustyPS should be working ""] in fact, I'd rather have Sam Acho in the 2nd (he SHOULD be there at #60) than Ayers in the 1st Dontay Koch would be a great mid-to-late rounder too...dude tore up the Combine from what I saw |
| ___________________________________________________ [Mar 9,2011 9:35am - RustyPS should be working ""] excuse me, Dontay Moch |
| _______________________________ [Mar 9,2011 9:51am - xmikex ""] Dontay Boch, come on down! |
| _________________________________ [Mar 9,2011 7:31pm - Dankill ""] Word on the street is a Rookie cap has been reached in the negotiations between the Owners and Players. I'll be interested to see if they take effect before this year's draft or next year. Also, I'm not hot on Danny Watkins. Get Pouncey at #28 and then worry about a OLB in the second. Dontay Moch would be a dude to grab, even if they have to reach a tad. Mike, make with the BOO-URNS Blog update already! |
| _________________________________ [Mar 9,2011 8:13pm - Dankill ""] BTW "Hai guiz! I'm Don Banks and I haz Draft Board!" http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writ...nks/03/09/nfl-mock-draft/index.html Blaine Gabbard AND Cam Newton in the top three?! Apparently, he read my mock draft too. Cam Jordan goes JUST before the Pats and he has us taking J.J. Watt and Mike Pouncey. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 9,2011 8:59pm - RustyPS ""] I think Banks is a draft hack personally |
| _______________________________ [Mar 9,2011 9:12pm - xmikex ""] Mark my words. The Bills are smoke screening with Cam Newton. They want to move down, and get more picks and are trying to get someone (Seattle, Arizona,) to bite with a nice bounty. The Browns did it with Sanchez. Hopefully for Buffalo they can draft better than Mangini. |
| _______________________________ [Mar 9,2011 9:16pm - xmikex ""] RustyPS said:I think everyone but Mike Mayock is a draft hack personally fixed. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 9,2011 9:33pm - RustyPS ""] xmikex said: RustyPS said:I think everyone but Mike Mayock is a draft hack personally fixed. 100% true |
| __________________________________ [Mar 9,2011 10:54pm - Dankill ""] RustyPS said: xmikex said: RustyPS said:I think everyone but Mike Mayock is a draft hack personally fixed. 100% true |
| _________________________________ [Mar 10,2011 10:12pm - xmikex ""] Opinions: One big massive 50+ player profile OR Series of 10 at a time entries? |
| __________________________________ [Mar 10,2011 10:23pm - reimroc ""] so how bout them bruins |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 10,2011 11:09pm - Dankill ""] xmikex said:Opinions: One big massive 50+ player profile OR Series of 10 at a time entries?Depends.......if you did the 10 at a time, how often would you be able to update it? |
| _________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 12:43pm - xmikex ""] pretty much constantly until the draft. the thing is, the more research I do the more I change my mind on guys. so I run the risk of constantly flip flopping. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 6:27pm - Dankill ""] Eh, do the ten, but have a part for your official flip-flops should any happen. That why you don't have to keep correcting the blog, but people can still reference back to the original posts. BTW Bump for Lockout. |
| ____________________________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 6:29pm - RustyPS should be working ""] ITT: Dan White, Slavedriver |
| __________________________________ [Mar 11,2011 6:40pm - brian_dc ""] Dankill said:Eh, do the ten, but have a part for your official flip-flops should any happen. That why you don't have to keep correcting the blog, but people can still reference back to the original posts. BTW Bump for Lockout. AHEM... brian_dc said:clearly, since there will be a player lockout, first pick in the draft will be none other than Keanu Reeves. laugh at my fucking joke, raviolimen |
| _____________________________________________________ [Mar 15,2011 12:57pm - RustyPS should be working ""] WF mock update for Pats: 17. Cam Jordan 28. Mike Pouncey 33. Akeem Ayers 60. Ryan Williams (RB, Virginia Tech) 74. Joseph Barksdale (OT, LSU) 92. Edmund Gates (WR, Abilene Christian) 124. Shiloh Keo (SS, Idaho) 156. Jeremy Beal (DE/OLB, Oklahoma) 188 Devon Torrence (CB, Ohio State) I personally like this one A LOT better than the last one. Like I've said before, I'm wishy washy on Ayers, but getting him at 33 would be a steal. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 15,2011 6:46pm - Dankill ""] I'd fap to that. If we didn't get Jordan but came away with J.J. Watt, I'd still fap. That's a solid draft. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 16,2011 9:12am - xmikex ""] Jordan at 17 would be incredible, but I'm really confused with how WF expects him to drop that low. He was originally mocked to go in the 17-20 range, but since then he's done everything possible to put his stock sky high. Let's not get our hopes up. The story on Barksdale I guess is that going into this year a lot of people thought he'd be a top 3 OT consideration but his last year at LSU wasn't anything pretty. His footwork is really sloppy, and at times he looks like he doesn't know what he's doing. The Pats have already worked out 3 WR's: Jeremy Kerley TCU, Chris Matthews Kentucky, and potential 1st rounder Torrey Smith from Maryland. Smith has some pretty elite physical gifts, but his hands are really small and he catches with his body. Matthews is 6-5 219 lbs and ran a 4.5 at his pro day. I think Kerley was more of a return guy. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 16,2011 7:14pm - Dankill ""] xmikex said:Jordan at 17 would be incredible, but I'm really confused with how WF expects him to drop that low. He was originally mocked to go in the 17-20 range, but since then he's done everything possible to put his stock sky high. Let's not get our hopes up. I was gonna say, aside from him dropping that low, they had J.J. Watts going #12 overall. That's a big reversal between those two players. I just don't see that happening. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 19,2011 4:39pm - Dankill ""] Bump for slave driving! |
| _________________________________ [Mar 20,2011 3:34pm - RustyPS ""] http://itiswhatitis.weei.com/sports/neweng...-list-of-patriots-private-workouts/ |
| ________________________________ [Mar 21,2011 4:02pm - xmikex ""] New blog title, possibly? [img] |
| ____________________________________________________ [Mar 21,2011 4:05pm - RustyPS should be working ""] hahaha nice! |
| __________________________________ [Mar 21,2011 5:12pm - Dankill ""] Approved! |
| _____________________________________________________ [Mar 22,2011 10:44am - RustyPS should be working ""] updated WF mock gives Pats WR Titus Young at #60 instead of Ryan Williams, James Brewer (OT, Indiana) instead of Barksdale, and Jordan Todman (RB, UConn) instead of Gates, first 3 picks stay the same |
| _____________________________________________________ [Mar 22,2011 10:46am - RustyPS should be working ""] also gives the Pats Marecic at #124, you're welcome Dan |
| __________________________________ [Mar 22,2011 8:15pm - Dankill ""] Saw this today: http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/...olts-eyeing-one-of-pats-extra-picks So the Chargers want the Pats #28 and are willing to trade for it? Interesting. Chargers have two 2nd round picks, so I have a feeling it would take one of those plus another lower pick this year or next year. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 22,2011 9:00pm - xmikex ""] 1. Fuck Titus Young. He's all Boise State hype and catches with his small intestine. 2. If I'm Belichick and San Diego wants 28 from me for a 2nd and a 4th, I'd tell them I want next year's first. As it stands I want Pouncey, Brooks Reed, or Stephen Paea at 28 unless it's a deal too good to pass up. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 22,2011 9:01pm - xmikex ""] edit fail. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 22,2011 9:30pm - xmikex ""] also, I now own www.patskrieg.com and have a nice running start on the blog (8 entries so far, another dozen plus already ready to go not online yet). If I had been able to map my wordpress blog to my domain tonight it would have been up by now. |