2011 NFL Draft thread (Hi Rusty and XMikeX)[views:37860][posts:252]__________________________________ [Jan 29,2011 7:17pm - Dankill ""] Seeing as Rusty asked at the end of that Jets thread if it's time for an early start to the Draft babble, I say why the hell not?! While I don't have Mel Kiper on speed dial as Mike does, I'm eye balling some people and ultimately can see the two areas the Pats need to draft heavy on is the D-line to create a fucking pass rush and the O-line to get the new blood going for the future (i.e. Logan Mankins and Matt Light as free agents, Stephan Neal looking to retire after next season, Nick Kazur is all fucked up). Anything else is just gravy. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 29,2011 7:46pm - W3 nli ""] is it Sept already |
| _________________________________ [Jan 29,2011 7:48pm - RustyPS ""] I haven't really done much of the research I do before the draft yet, but the last time I looked at walterfootball.com (his mocks make absolute sense most of the time, which means they're usually wrong because some GMs are dumber than a box of rocks), he had the Pats taking Cameron Jordan (DE, Cal) and Mark Ingram in the 1st...if that came true, I'd be ecstatic |
| __________________________________ [Jan 29,2011 9:46pm - Dankill ""] I think Ingram might be gone before then. As much as I'd like him, I'd rather they go overboard on OLB/DE and OT. I'm watching to see if in the 2nd/3rd rounds they snag either Mark Herzlich or Casey Matthews. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 30,2011 2:41am - RustyPS ""] Isn't Casey Matthews staying at Oregon? Mike Pouncey is another option I'd be very happy with |
| _______________________________ [Jan 30,2011 9:31am - Pires ""] RustyPS said:Isn't Casey Matthews staying at Oregon? Nah. He's a senior. He's coming out and wants the world to know. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 30,2011 10:46am - RustyPS ""] well then, add him to the list of players I want the Pats to take |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 30,2011 10:55am - Dankill ""] If they got both Herzlich and Matthews, I'd have to change my undies. |
| _________________________________ [Jan 30,2011 3:52pm - RustyPS ""] if everyone's healthy (which with football, is never the case, but for arguments sake), they need: O-linemen - contrary to what most other people say, I believe this is their biggest need because Light, Mankins, and Neal all might be gone and Koppen has a pretty bad year by his standards, Connolly could fill one of those holes, but they obviously need more OLB - if Cunningham can continue to develop, that'd be a big help, but they need someone on the other side, as much as I like Ninkovich, he's not the answer DE - Gerard Warren was surprisingly very good, as well as the rotation of Deaderick, Love, Moore, Pryor, and Brace, and Ty Warren and Mike Wright (although I think he's a free agent) should be coming back, but the Warren twins probably won't be around much longer, so someone Warren and Warren can mentor would be great another RB to mix with Law Firm, Woodhead, and hopefully Faulk - they're probably going to let Taylor and Morris walk, so they'll need someone to add to the RB rotation people are going to say WR, but I think they think they're fine with Welker and Branch, while they can further develop Edelman, Tate, Price, Gronk, and Hernandez |
| __________________________________ [Jan 30,2011 6:07pm - Dankill ""] One guy I've been reading and keeping an eye on for a while that I think would be a great pick in the later rounds, Owen Marecic, Fullback from Stanford. Tell me this guy is not the type of player Belichick loves. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1174606/index.htm http://www.opposingviews.com/i/2011-nfl-dr...wen-marecic-most-versatile-prospect http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2601 |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 30,2011 6:30pm - dreadkill ""] If bill keeps building that d and brings some new blood to the o line I'll be happy. A guy who can get to the qb would be nice. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 31,2011 3:52pm - Dankill ""] dreadkill said:If bill keeps building that d and brings some new blood to the o line I'll be happy. A guy who can get to the qb would be nice. Like I said, those two things are my only main concerns. Everything else is just gravy if it's players worth a damn. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 31,2011 4:00pm - xmikex ""] Cameron Jordan is at the top of my list, and had been getting rave reviews for how he looked in his senior bowl practices. He could be a spectacular 3-4 DE or a 4-3 tackle. His ability to bull rush and find the ball is almost on par with some of the top d-line guys in the draft. THAT BEING SAID, I think his draft stock is only going to rise in the coming months and he'll be gone somewhere in the top 15. It's still early in my draft evals but I'm not impressed with the other Cameron (Heyward). He's still living off his reputation from last year, and has a tendency to disappear some. Even if he wasn't from Ohio State I'd still have to compare him to Vernon Gholston, but like I said it's still early. As far as o-line goes, I like Gabe Carmini from Wisconsin. He moves really well well a big guy, has long arms, and works great in pass protection. My thoughts on Mark Ingram have been documented here before. Take a picture, write it down, Ingram will make the non-believers pay. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 2,2011 7:17pm - Dankill ""] bump for everybody havin' fun tonight. Everybody Patrick Chung tonight. |
| ________________________________ [Feb 2,2011 7:42pm - RustyPS ""] xmikex said:Cameron Jordan is at the top of my list, and had been getting rave reviews for how he looked in his senior bowl practices. He could be a spectacular 3-4 DE or a 4-3 tackle. His ability to bull rush and find the ball is almost on par with some of the top d-line guys in the draft. THAT BEING SAID, I think his draft stock is only going to rise in the coming months and he'll be gone somewhere in the top 15. It's still early in my draft evals but I'm not impressed with the other Cameron (Heyward). He's still living off his reputation from last year, and has a tendency to disappear some. Even if he wasn't from Ohio State I'd still have to compare him to Vernon Gholston, but like I said it's still early. As far as o-line goes, I like Gabe Carmini from Wisconsin. He moves really well well a big guy, has long arms, and works great in pass protection. My thoughts on Mark Ingram have been documented here before. Take a picture, write it down, Ingram will make the non-believers pay. Carimi was another one I was looking at. Looks good. Here's a video of him beating the shit out of Cameron Heyward: bennyhillifier |
| _________________________________ [Feb 2,2011 8:03pm - Dankill ""] RustyPS said: xmikex said:Cameron Jordan is at the top of my list, and had been getting rave reviews for how he looked in his senior bowl practices. He could be a spectacular 3-4 DE or a 4-3 tackle. His ability to bull rush and find the ball is almost on par with some of the top d-line guys in the draft. THAT BEING SAID, I think his draft stock is only going to rise in the coming months and he'll be gone somewhere in the top 15. It's still early in my draft evals but I'm not impressed with the other Cameron (Heyward). He's still living off his reputation from last year, and has a tendency to disappear some. Even if he wasn't from Ohio State I'd still have to compare him to Vernon Gholston, but like I said it's still early. As far as o-line goes, I like Gabe Carmini from Wisconsin. He moves really well well a big guy, has long arms, and works great in pass protection. My thoughts on Mark Ingram have been documented here before. Take a picture, write it down, Ingram will make the non-believers pay. Carimi was another one I was looking at. Looks good. Here's a video of him beating the shit out of Cameron Heyward: bennyhillifier:nuke: |
| _________________________________ [Feb 7,2011 9:22am - Dankill ""] Bump for "The Super Bowl is done so now IT BEGINS!" |
| _______________________________ [Feb 7,2011 9:59am - xmikex ""] Exactly. Heyward strikes me as a total stiff right off the bat. And on the other side of the ball here's why I don't want Anthony Costanzo bennyhillifier Maybe he's a solid prospect, but to get eaten alive by a NFL ready talent like Quinn has got to get you taken off a few draft boards. Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing the Pats go in a different direction this draft and see them use some of their draft picks to trade up. They've laid a nice foundation for themselves by spreading their picks around. With this year's draft not being ultra-deep it might be smart to either stock-pile for next year and/or go after a small handful of impact guys. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 26,2011 11:54am - xmikex ""] I've been watching the offensive linemen at the combine all morning. Carimi is trying way too hard and looks like shit. It might drop his stock just enough to get him to the Pats. I've got a couple lesser known o-line prospects in mind after watching this... but you'll have to read the upcoming blog entry to find out who. |
| __________________________________ [Feb 26,2011 4:35pm - Dankill ""] Hahahaha, I've been waiting for that blog update since the super bowl |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 27,2011 11:18am - Dankill ""] QB, WR and RB today. Bump |
| _________________________________ [Feb 27,2011 3:34pm - RustyPS ""] Dion Lewis and Jacquizz Rodgers are killing the RB drills right now |
| __________________________________ [Feb 27,2011 4:08pm - Dankill ""] It's always interesting to see people's opinions and draft boards and how they can change after the Combine is over. Sometimes you see A LOT of changes on people's boards, both positive and negative for players. |
| __________________________________ [Feb 27,2011 4:08pm - Dankill ""] p.s. Julio Jones KILLED it today. |
| __________________________________ [Feb 28,2011 8:14am - Dankill ""] Bump for D-linemen today. Also, Looking back a few other guys that might have bumped their stock so far are Ryan Mallett and Jake Locker. They really needed good workouts after the questions about Mallett and Lockers having a bad senior year. Also, Stephen Paea might have bench pressed himself into the bottom of the first round/top of the second. 49 presses. Holy shit. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 28,2011 10:13am - xmikex ""] Dion Lewis' stats at Pitt were ridiculous. 2,860 yards and 30 TD's (I'm quoting this from memory btw) in TWO YEARS. Johnathan Baldwin running a 4.45 is also freakish considering his size. I've got a ton of other notes that I'm saving for the blog. Walterfootball had a good point about Cam Newton's workouts in that almost all the qb's who have recorded top broad jump numbers in recent years are either out of the nfl or rotting at the bottom of depth charts. Have fun Buffalo. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 28,2011 11:26am - xmikex ""] Watching d-line right now. Take the 17th overall and pair it with one of the thirds, move up to the top 10 and get Marcell Dareus. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 28,2011 2:35pm - RustyPS ""] xmikex said:Watching d-line right now. Take the 17th overall and pair it with one of the thirds, move up to the top 12 and get Cameron Jordan. |
| ________________________________ [Feb 28,2011 2:46pm - xmikex ""] That too. I really wish Justin Houston wow-ed me some more today. I need to go back and re-watch the linebacker workouts. I saw a handful of really impressive things from him, but a lot of so-so performances. |
| __________________________________ [Feb 28,2011 5:19pm - Dankill ""] The biggest things post-combine are gonna be when Bill works out and interviews/quizzes some of these kids to see if they also have the brain power and character to fit in the Pats schemes. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 28,2011 5:51pm - RustyPS ""] I think Houston will be the only 3-4 OLB/"tweener" guy the Pats consider because out of all of them he has the most experience in coverage I say that assuming Von Miller goes in the top 5 like he's projected to do, and the Pats wouldn't trade up to get him |
| __________________________________ [Feb 28,2011 6:14pm - Dankill ""] Unless there is a guy available at #17 that the Patriots have a SERIOUS boner about, I wouldn't be shocked if they traded down at least once. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 28,2011 6:44pm - RustyPS ""] I've been saying this to a friend of mine all offseason (cause he always talks about the Pats going to get guys project higher than where they are picking n the 1st), unless the CBA gets done before the draft meaning that there will be a rookie cap for this year, then there is very little chance the Pats move up at all, especially to the top 10 |
| __________________________________ [Feb 28,2011 7:01pm - Dankill ""] Exactly. I doubt you'll see that cap this year. Next year maybe, but not this year. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 1,2011 10:26am - xmikex ""] Julio Jones did all those drills yesterday with a broken foot. W T F |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 1,2011 10:30am - SkinSandwich ""] Remember when Al Davis, the greasy haired neurotic cunthole of the Raiders drafted a kicker with his 1st pick? LULZ.. Actually Guy, the kicker turned out awesome, but that was bizarre. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 1,2011 10:35am - xmikex ""] Took a quick look back at the Janikowski pick in 2000. The next 2 picks were Chad Pennington and Shaun Alexander. Also, Janikowski was under threat of deportation for some sort of legal incident at the time of the draft. How perfect would that have been? |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 1,2011 10:38am - SkinSandwich ""] Hey XmikeX, what do you think is the Pats biggest need right now IYO? |
| ________________________________ [Mar 1,2011 10:50am - xmikex ""] A lot of people are over looking it, but a 5 technique DE might be their biggest need. Everyone is clamoring for a pass rushing OLB, and that's great but in a 3-4 your linebackers are conditional to your lineman in terms of getting in the backfield. I like Mike Wright as much as the next guy. I haven't given up on Ron Brace. I think Brandon Deaderick can have a productive career. But I don't trust Ty Warren going forward healthwise. They don't have a 3 down DE who can consistently collapse the pocket. You've got the best 1 gap nose tackle in the goddamn league, it makes no sense to compliment him with rotational guys like Mike Wright on 3 downs. A dominant DE is going to make Wilfork's job easier, the OLB's job's easier, and the DB's jobs easier. I'm also getting seriously sick of WEEI retards scoffing at the idea of drafting a d-lineman (the deepest position in the draft) because Ty Warren is going to magically repair himself. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 1,2011 5:32pm - SkinSandwich ""] Sounds good. I think their secondary is all set. They have come a long way. I honestly do think though that they are on the other side of the hill as a team. Watching the Jets/Pats game in the playoffs solidified that thought for me. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 1,2011 7:55pm - RustyPS ""] xmikex said:A lot of people are over looking it, but a 5 technique DE might be their biggest need. Everyone is clamoring for a pass rushing OLB, and that's great but in a 3-4 your linebackers are conditional to your lineman in terms of getting in the backfield. I like Mike Wright as much as the next guy. I haven't given up on Ron Brace. I think Brandon Deaderick can have a productive career. But I don't trust Ty Warren going forward healthwise. They don't have a 3 down DE who can consistently collapse the pocket. You've got the best 1 gap nose tackle in the goddamn league, it makes no sense to compliment him with rotational guys like Mike Wright on 3 downs. A dominant DE is going to make Wilfork's job easier, the OLB's job's easier, and the DB's jobs easier. I'm also getting seriously sick of WEEI retards scoffing at the idea of drafting a d-lineman (the deepest position in the draft) because Ty Warren is going to magically repair himself. I still think OL is their biggest need, but I completely agree with all of that. |
| _________________________________ [Mar 1,2011 9:18pm - Dankill ""] xmikex said:A lot of people are over looking it, but a 5 technique DE might be their biggest need. Everyone is clamoring for a pass rushing OLB, and that's great but in a 3-4 your linebackers are conditional to your lineman in terms of getting in the backfield. I like Mike Wright as much as the next guy. I haven't given up on Ron Brace. I think Brandon Deaderick can have a productive career. But I don't trust Ty Warren going forward healthwise. They don't have a 3 down DE who can consistently collapse the pocket. You've got the best 1 gap nose tackle in the goddamn league, it makes no sense to compliment him with rotational guys like Mike Wright on 3 downs. A dominant DE is going to make Wilfork's job easier, the OLB's job's easier, and the DB's jobs easier. I'm also getting seriously sick of WEEI retards scoffing at the idea of drafting a d-lineman (the deepest position in the draft) because Ty Warren is going to magically repair himself. If they can draft a 5 tech DE, an OLB and a OT with the first three picks, happy fapping indeed. I can see how the Pats signed Stroud today as insurance. They were DYING by the end of the season at DE due to injuries. I still think you could see some improvement from their young guys (Brace, Pryor, Deadrick) but I agree that there's no risk in trying to grab a stud that could be a starting DE as a rookie. Mike, that Julio Jones combine was disgusting already before the broken foot report came out. That dude is gonna shoot up the boards quick. I have a feeling you might see more offensive players (QB, RB and WR) jump up the boards leading up to the draft which could help the Pats if more of the defensive players fall closer to the lower half of the first round. |
| ____________________________________________________ [Mar 2,2011 10:39am - RustyPS should be working ""] ATTN fellow draftniks WalterFootball's new mock has Cam Newton #1, Marcell Dareus #2..... ..........and Nick Fairley #8 to YOUR Tennessee Titans |
| ________________________________ [Mar 2,2011 10:55am - xmikex ""] WF is the shit. Carolina is so desperate for a quarterback (how bad does Jimmy Clausen suck) that I can almost see them blowing their wad on Newton. For now I still think they'll go best available, and Newton will go somewhere in the bottom of the 1st. After watching the Dline combine I'm in agreement with WF's take the Dareus might have leapfrogged Fairley and Bowers. I watched a lot of Alabama last season, and Dareus was pretty dominant. I like Dan's point about the offensive talent hopefully dropping the defensive talent further down. My problem with going O-Line in the first is that there are really only 2 guys I'd be thrilled about taking at 17: Tyron Smith and Carimi. Costanzo and Solder are both way over rated. I wasn't huge on Pouncey at first, but he was head and shoulders above almost all the interior linemen at the combine. Really, he looked like a veteran. But I don't want him at 17. |
| ____________________________________________________ [Mar 2,2011 10:57am - RustyPS should be working ""] Dankill said: xmikex said:A lot of people are over looking it, but a 5 technique DE might be their biggest need. Everyone is clamoring for a pass rushing OLB, and that's great but in a 3-4 your linebackers are conditional to your lineman in terms of getting in the backfield. I like Mike Wright as much as the next guy. I haven't given up on Ron Brace. I think Brandon Deaderick can have a productive career. But I don't trust Ty Warren going forward healthwise. They don't have a 3 down DE who can consistently collapse the pocket. You've got the best 1 gap nose tackle in the goddamn league, it makes no sense to compliment him with rotational guys like Mike Wright on 3 downs. A dominant DE is going to make Wilfork's job easier, the OLB's job's easier, and the DB's jobs easier. I'm also getting seriously sick of WEEI retards scoffing at the idea of drafting a d-lineman (the deepest position in the draft) because Ty Warren is going to magically repair himself. If they can draft a 5 tech DE, an OLB and a OT with the first three picks, happy fapping indeed. I can see how the Pats signed Stroud today as insurance. They were DYING by the end of the season at DE due to injuries. I still think you could see some improvement from their young guys (Brace, Pryor, Deadrick) but I agree that there's no risk in trying to grab a stud that could be a starting DE as a rookie. Mike, that Julio Jones combine was disgusting already before the broken foot report came out. That dude is gonna shoot up the boards quick. I have a feeling you might see more offensive players (QB, RB and WR) jump up the boards leading up to the draft which could help the Pats if more of the defensive players fall closer to the lower half of the first round. Honestly, it cannot hurt at all to have a D-line rotation of Wilfork, both Warrens, Wright, Stroud, Brace, Pryor, Deaderick, Moore (name we all keep forgetting), Love, and <insert name of 1st round pick here>. I think I said earlier in this thread that both Warrens won't be here forever, and when you have as many picks as the Pats do in this thread, what's wrong with getting a talented replacement for them to groom for the time when they're gone? |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 2,2011 10:59am - goatcatalyst ""] I hung out with Marc Colombo Friday night. He was even cooler than this story, bros. Bought us shots. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 2,2011 11:18am - xmikex ""] What's Marc Colombo's 40 yard dash time? |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 2,2011 12:15pm - goatcatalyst ""] Before or after Jager holocaust? |
| _________________________________ [Mar 2,2011 8:32pm - Dankill ""] xmikex said:WF is the shit. Carolina is so desperate for a quarterback (how bad does Jimmy Clausen suck) that I can almost see them blowing their wad on Newton. For now I still think they'll go best available, and Newton will go somewhere in the bottom of the 1st. After watching the Dline combine I'm in agreement with WF's take the Dareus might have leapfrogged Fairley and Bowers. I watched a lot of Alabama last season, and Dareus was pretty dominant. I like Dan's point about the offensive talent hopefully dropping the defensive talent further down. My problem with going O-Line in the first is that there are really only 2 guys I'd be thrilled about taking at 17: Tyron Smith and Carimi. Costanzo and Solder are both way over rated. I wasn't huge on Pouncey at first, but he was head and shoulders above almost all the interior linemen at the combine. Really, he looked like a veteran. But I don't want him at 17. Quick point, We could def get a good OT at #33. I'd rather the first two picks go to defense. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 3,2011 12:45pm - xmikex ""] I thought d line was the biggest need until Stephen Neal retired. I am officially flip flopping and saying O line is the biggest need specifically in the interior. |