WATCHMAKER (possibly last performance ever, featuring JOHN GILLIS of ANAL CUNT on drums)?[views:53026][posts:213]________________________________________________ [Jan 19,2006 6:45pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] [img] |
| __________________________________________ [Jan 19,2006 9:34pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Speaking of gimmicks, how many times did people refer to RK as "female-fronted"?!?! |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 19,2006 10:03pm - anomalouscynosure ""] yeah, because anything besides "white male" is a gimmick, right? |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 19,2006 10:06pm - mOe nli ""] finally a decent point |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 19,2006 10:06pm - brian_dc ""] brian_dc said:Watchmaker is playing a show with John Gillis from Anal Cunt on drums...it is not there last show ever. commence shitstorm -this thread |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 19,2006 10:08pm - BornSoVile ""] john gillis' style is perfect for this band, wish i could see it. |
| ________________________________ [Jan 19,2006 10:14pm - eddie ""] anomalouscynosure said:yeah, because anything besides "white male" is a gimmick, right? wrong anything besides "evil imperial heterosexual white male" is a gimmick |
| ___________________________________________ [Jan 19,2006 10:20pm - BestialOnslaught ""] anomalouscynosure said:yeah, because anything besides "white male" is a gimmick, right? No, but in Metal, females are rarer than spikes. |
| ________________________________________ [Jan 19,2006 11:21pm - shrapnel nli ""] [img] |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 6:23am - armageddanne i Oslo ""] So what happened to your other drummer? I didnt really follow as I haven't seen you in a long time (Exhumed or Ackercocke) but it wasn't Gillis on drums. |
| _____________________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 6:28am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] anomalouscynosure said:yeah, because anything besides "white male" is a gimmick, right? That depends, if people went to see a band simply b/c it was female-fronted (and let's face it, you know this type of thing happens...i.e. Kittie, etc), and not for the music itself, then it might be considered a gimmick. However, noone goes to see Watchmaker because of the gauntlets, they go for the music. Which is why I re-iterate every previous post I made on this thread. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 7:01am - watchmaker666 ""] armageddanne i Oslo said:So what happened to your other drummer? I didnt really follow as I haven't seen you in a long time (Exhumed or Ackercocke) but it wasn't Gillis on drums. He has to work that night, he is a fireman so his schedule is tight. John said he would fill in, that's it. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 8:39am - Josh_Martin ""] mOe nli said:*eats some more Pineapple* SUffocation is the best gimmick band EVER See, more proof that Moe-ron is a posuer. Every metalcore faggot loves Suffocation. They're like the one death metal band that its ok to like in that scene. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 8:41am - Josh_Martin ""] Joe/NotCommon said:By the same logic, wouldn't certain band names be gimmicks as well? Such as Adolf Satan, Kevorkian's Angels, and umm, Raising Kubrick? Hey, I thought our gimmick was having a homeless guy on vocals. |
| _________________________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 8:55am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] the bottom line is pretty simple: Watchmaker makes really tight music, they don't need gimmicks to make people remember them or come see them. Pretty easy. Here is a video of a band not using gauntlets, dripping blood, saws, face paint, strap-on dildos, or any other joke to amplify the power of their music. http://www.youtube.com/w/Brutal-Truth---Il...v=rmnp_Ibo8cM&search=Brutal%20Truth |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 9:17am - Josh_Martin ""] Yeah, and look what happened to them. They went all artsy fartsy after the first album. Anyone who's read this thread that still thinks a fucking sawblade is a gimmick is too stupid to continue arguing with. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 9:37am - watchmaker666 ""] brutal truth's gimick is they have jesus christ singing for them |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 9:52am - Josh_Martin ""] Brutal Truth's two gimmicks were ripping off Anal Cunt and having the guy from Nuclear Assault in the band. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 9:59am - the_reverend ""] Josh_Martin said:Every metalcore faggot loves Suffocation is that like "how every hardcore faggot likes slayer"? |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 10:02am - RustedAngel ""] I'm not into watchmaker at all musically. Their vocalist is intense live and that's all I have to say. [img] |
| __________________________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 11:12am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] Josh_Martin said:Brutal Truth's two gimmicks were ripping off Anal Cunt and having the guy from Nuclear Assault in the band. dude how come you can never shut up about Anal Cunt? You are like Al Bundy and high school football. Clearly your peaked during that band. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 11:25am - Josh_Martin ""] Huh? I'd suggest you do a search for Anal Cunt. Its pretty rare when I talk about that. Of course I peaked with AC. I'm far too old, busy, and most importantly, unmotivated to put in the effort it would take to get to that level again. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 12:40pm - mOe nli ""] Josh_Martin said:mOe nli said:*eats some more Pineapple* SUffocation is the best gimmick band EVER See, more proof that Moe-ron is a posuer. Every metalcore faggot loves Suffocation. They're like the one death metal band that its ok to like in that scene. hey if i'm a poser for liking one of the best and most influential death metal bands of all time, then guilty as charged. No, they're not the only death metal band i listen to. No, i dont listen to 50 bajillion death metal bands. I was just trying to prove a point. And the last time i saw Suffocation, i was one of about, 4 "metalcore faggots" in attendance. Everyone else was the same "metal faggots" i see at every other metal show i go/have been to, including people from this board. Hop off my johnson, Josh I have a girlfriend. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 12:44pm - Josh_Martin ""] Moe, you think Slayer and every other awesome band that happened to wear spikes is a lame gimick band. You have shitty taste in music, you don't know a fucking thing about metal, and you're not too bright. I will gladly stop conversing with you. |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 12:48pm - mOe nli ""] All of this because i dont prefer Watchmaker. GOD, I love this board. I always thought most forms of "rock" music were about going against the grain and trying something different. But as soon as someone within this scene isnt as ignorant as you, they're a "faggot." No wonder I dont feel like supporting this scene anymore. |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 12:48pm - heavy metal hammer ""] Moe, I am going to gitcha you black cocksucker!!!! |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 12:50pm - mOe nli ""] riiiiight....just go to the next metalcore faggot show. I'll be the guy in girls jeans with Josh Martin hangin from my tip. |
| _________________________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 12:56pm - shitkicking hillbilly ""] [img] Moe, you motherfucker!!!! |
| ___________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 12:57pm - kessaris ""] jesus... first of all, what is the boston metal elite, who the fuck are they, what makes their opinions more important than say...mine, and why should I care whether they exist or not? secondly, the gist of what I got out of josh martin's replies to moe were that all the metalcore kids like suffocation 'cause they're a gimmick band with black people in it, while slayer is not because they wear gauntlets. I think you got that ass backwards since metalcore kids won't listen to death metal since they think it's for losers, while Kerry King is the guy showing up in sum 41 videos. Metalcore kids eat up Slayer, in case you didn't know. Being black does not make you a gimmick, gauntlets do. I don't have anything against either or Josh, Moe just isn't into your music. You took it too hard. I'm sure he's not the only one in the world who just doesn't get it. But you keep at it and keep doing what you like. It's what makes you special and unique. God made you this way and he/she loves you no matter what. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 1:03pm - Josh_Martin ""] mOe nli said:All of this because i dont prefer Watchmaker. GOD, Your ability to misunderstand things is unmatched. I don't give a shit if you like Watchmaker or not. But to call them a gimick band because one member wears spikes is just stupid, especially when tons of awesome bands in the past have worn spikes too. TOC, this goes for you too. Moe, how can you stop supporting a scene you were never a part of in the first place? |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 1:03pm - The real Moe ""] [img] |
| __________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 1:04pm - mOe nli ""] thats a sweet picture of Josh...that was right after his AC era, right? |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 1:05pm - The real Moe ""] [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 1:09pm - RustedAngel ""] mOe nli said:All of this because i dont prefer Watchmaker. GOD, I love this board. I always thought most forms of "rock" music were about going against the grain and trying something different. But as soon as someone within this scene isnt as ignorant as you, they're a "faggot." No wonder I dont feel like supporting this scene anymore. Moe, Don't act like Josh is the spokesman for any scene, he is just someone who sucks at life and feels the need to express his negative opinions about everything he dislikes on the internet and especially here where he doesn't fit in. The more attention you give him the more retardedly old he gets and the more amusement he gets out of it. Just try to ignore him he'll probably die of gay soon. Actually, Josh reminds me of my best friend Mike who thinks pretty much all music after 1990 sucks, except he isn't a dickhead to everyone who has different taste and well, he just doesn't suck as human being. Good Al Bundy comparison Nick, that was pure pwnage. Anal Cunt is fucking gay; no that is not a joke. Porphyria has a new song called "Josh Martin is Gay" It's wicked true and metalcore! :middlefinger: |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 1:10pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] I think it's hilarious that the people who don't like Watchmaker because of what they wear and how they act on stage are the same people saying that the music should matter above everything else. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 1:13pm - mOe nli ""] i dont like Watcmakers music and i think their live shtick is stupid...like i've been saying for the past 24 hours |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 1:13pm - RustedAngel ""] kessaris said:jesus... first of all, what is the boston metal elite, who the fuck are they Boston Metal Elite = Josh Martin, Josh Martin, Josh Martin, and a couple of others. |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 1:29pm - watchmaker666 ""] OK, I'm gonna wrap this thread up because it is getting completely out of control. The original point I was trying to make was that I had a problem with being called overrated, I don't care if people don't like us, lots of people don't like us and that's fine. But to be overrated would imply that we are a "popular" band which is untrue, we don't make any money doing this and we can't even sell out obriens which holds like 50 fucking people, but we wouldn't have it any other way. And as far as the gauntlets and gimmick's go, people who know Brian know that thats just Brian, it's genuine trust me. He is one talented mother fucker and the Boston metal scene is a better place because he's in it. Thats all, flame away! |
| ______________________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 1:30pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] mOe nli said:i dont like Watcmakers music and i think their live shtick is stupid...like i've been saying for the past 24 hours You and Nick were both saying that the live shtick really detracted from the music. I don't have a problem with people not liking Watchmaker's music but it's just stupid to let a band's look detract from your enjoyment of the music. It's not like you can hear gauntlets or saws on the album. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 1:31pm - the_reverend ""] [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 1:34pm - RustedAngel ""] watchmaker666 said:OK, I'm gonna wrap this thread up because it is getting completely out of control. The original point I was trying to make was that I had a problem with being called overrated, I don't care if people don't like us, lots of people don't like us and that's fine. But to be overrated would imply that we are a "popular" band which is untrue, we don't make any money doing this and we can't even sell out obriens which holds like 50 fucking people, but we wouldn't have it any other way. And as far as the gauntlets and gimmick's go, people who know Brian know that thats just Brian, it's genuine trust me. He is one talented mother fucker and the Boston metal scene is a better place because he's in it. Thats all, flame away! I respect that. At the middle east show we played together Brian told my singer Tim that his highs were awesome and that he should just do those all the time. We thought that was pretty funny but we like the deep/high mix. |
| ______________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 1:37pm - the_reverend ""] brian is a really awesome dude. scary on stage, but awesome. |
| __________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 2:02pm - kessaris ""] that .gif started off as something distrubing, then it started going really fast so it's funny now how can I get into the Boston metal elite? I'm a voter, aren't you supposed to lie to me and kiss my butt? |
| _______________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 2:48pm - MarkKevorkian ""] BornSoVile said:john gillis' style is perfect for this band, wish i could see it. he'll be doing some local shows with us in the future |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 3:08pm - Josh_Martin ""] RustedAngel said:mOe nli said:All of this because i dont prefer Watchmaker. GOD, I love this board. I always thought most forms of "rock" music were about going against the grain and trying something different. But as soon as someone within this scene isnt as ignorant as you, they're a "faggot." No wonder I dont feel like supporting this scene anymore. Moe, Don't act like Josh is the spokesman for any scene, he is just someone who sucks at life and feels the need to express his negative opinions about everything he dislikes on the internet and especially here where he doesn't fit in. The more attention you give him the more retardedly old he gets and the more amusement he gets out of it. Just try to ignore him he'll probably die of gay soon. Actually, Josh reminds me of my best friend Mike who thinks pretty much all music after 1990 sucks, except he isn't a dickhead to everyone who has different taste and well, he just doesn't suck as human being. Good Al Bundy comparison Nick, that was pure pwnage. Anal Cunt is fucking gay; no that is not a joke. Porphyria has a new song called "Josh Martin is Gay" It's wicked true and metalcore! :middlefinger: Cool, I really really made you hate me. It's awesome when fags hate me. You're another with poor reading comprehension as you clearly missed the entire point I was making. Try reading this thread again. Maybe you'll get it. |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 3:12pm - Josh_Martin ""] mOe nli said:i dont like Watcmakers music and i think their live shtick is stupid...like i've been saying for the past 24 hours Actually, you said this "i have to agree 100%...the whole gautlets bullet belt and saw took everything away from the music for me. it just made everything seem really stupid and comical. I actually went to the back ot the Middle East because i thought was going to start laughing." If you had just said you didn't like the music no one would've cared but that wasn't what you said at all. Way to backpedal though. |
| ____________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 3:30pm - BornSoVile ""] roflmao!!11!!!1111!!!!!!!!! "the Watchmaker Wars" this is up there with the intellectual warfare during Katrina, "fuck hurricane victims" and the fantactical war on christmas. Who needs TV when RttP is all the entertainment you need?? Boston Metal Elite = If you don't know, you missed the point |
| _____________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 3:35pm - Josh_Martin ""] BornSoVile said: Boston Metal Elite = If you don't know, you missed the point Exactly. "Elite" is only used when someone feels left out and doesn't get why no one likes them. Shit, I've been a metalhead for over 20 years, I better be in the fucking elite by now. |
| _________________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 3:41pm - dreadedsilence ""] if bill o'reilly was metal, he'd totally raise hell in this debate |
| _________________________________________________ [Jan 20,2006 4:27pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] Josh_Martin said:RustedAngel said:mOe nli said:All of this because i dont prefer Watchmaker. GOD, I love this board. I always thought most forms of "rock" music were about going against the grain and trying something different. But as soon as someone within this scene isnt as ignorant as you, they're a "faggot." No wonder I dont feel like supporting this scene anymore. Moe, Don't act like Josh is the spokesman for any scene, he is just someone who sucks at life and feels the need to express his negative opinions about everything he dislikes on the internet and especially here where he doesn't fit in. The more attention you give him the more retardedly old he gets and the more amusement he gets out of it. Just try to ignore him he'll probably die of gay soon. Actually, Josh reminds me of my best friend Mike who thinks pretty much all music after 1990 sucks, except he isn't a dickhead to everyone who has different taste and well, he just doesn't suck as human being. Good Al Bundy comparison Nick, that was pure pwnage. Anal Cunt is fucking gay; no that is not a joke. Porphyria has a new song called "Josh Martin is Gay" It's wicked true and metalcore! :middlefinger: Cool, I really really made you hate me. It's awesome when fags hate me. You're another with poor reading comprehension as you clearly missed the entire point I was making. Try reading this thread again. Maybe you'll get it. Reading Comprehension? Please copy and paste where I said "They are a gimmick band". |