ATTENTION LAURA/ 80sMetalChick!!![views:78762][posts:209]________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 12:03pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] Her website seems to be down, but luckily for me I catalogued everything because I plan to see a lawyer about sueing 'chickie' myself for slander and mental anguish (from loss of business). |
| _______________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 12:04pm - an80smetalchick NLI ""] HUMP ME PLZ!!!! |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 12:10pm - ArrowHead ""] Good luck Joe, I bet you couldn't afford the inital court dates, lawyer, or missed work. Lawsuits don't work that way. You need to have a chance of recieving payout that justifies court expenditures, or you need the backing of a huge and reputable company that can pay those expenses for you, like, say, maybe the Red Cross? Now if we instead make it a point to politely and proffessionally inform the Red Cross about the truth of this situation, and the bad publicity that Chickie is bringing the music community AND the Red Cross, I'm sure we could get her removed from her position, or at least from dealing with the general public on behalf of the RC. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 12:30pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] She doesn't have a position with the Red Cross, that was either a lie she wrote in her press release or that the newspapers conjured up from nowhere. She is someone who created her own website so she could raise money for the Red Cross, she is not an employee of them, or as far as I understand it, even affiliated in any real professional way. In reality she does not have a job that I know about, so I bet she donated alot of her own money to the benefit for Hurrican Victims. I believe I can get a lawyer who, if thinks I have a case, will work for nothing and get paid only if he wins the case for me. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 1:04pm - anonymous ""] I write annonymously because the people that come here threaten others, resort to some pretty devisive tactics and are basically inarticulate and uninformed. If the best you can do is trash me for spelling errors then you need to try harder. Laura formed a website and effort and called it "Bands for Relief" . She went to the Red Cross and volunteered to raise funds with their agreement and that of the bands who participated at more than one venue. The Red Cross expected that the proceeds of the gate at Nate's place were to go to them.Even if the announcement that the proceeds were to go to the Red Cross were on a web site for 24 hours all who see it assume that their gate money goes to the Red Cross. Doesn't Nate pay bands to play at his place?Isn't that part of his Administrative costs? A benefit for any reason has administrative costs, but the statement that 100% of the proceeds goes to the Red Cross is misleading. Who printed that poster and flyer? All this talk over law suits? Oh I guess you are all attorneys? You need just cause to bring a suit against someone and the burden of proof lies on the accuser. I am being objective. I don't have to resort to name calling to express my pov.Laura was not posing as a Red Cross volunteer nor employee, she was working as herself under the name "Bands For Relief". Call her a liar if you want, she never misrepresented herself at all. Yes, the Red Cross gratefully accepts any donation big or small. She went public with this because she believed that money that was supposed to go to the Red Cross didn't get there and that is the case then it is wrong. I also would like to know what all of you do to help other people? Here is a woman who was horrified at what she saw and wanted to do something about it. You are getting it wrong. If Laura has the time to put her energies to raising money for the hurricane victims and there was money that should have rightfully gone there than I think she should be applauded. It's all your loss, the Laura I know has the courage to do what's right. |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 1:08pm - ArrowHead ""] Joe/NotCommon said: I believe I can get a lawyer who, if thinks I have a case, will work for nothing and get paid only if he wins the case for me. Honestly, if you can do this see if you can get him to donate any winnings to the Red Cross. Imagine the way that'd look in the papers. If raising money for the RC is important to her, then being made out to be the bad guy would crush her. |
| ______________________________ [Sep 22,2005 1:10pm - nate ""] yes she did misrepresent herself with supposed contracts that she had with the Red Cross, which none of us, including myself, have seen or been made aware of. Where is the contract she had with them? |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 1:12pm - ArrowHead ""] anonymous said: the Laura I know has the courage to do what's right. But she's wasting energy doing what is WRONG. You mention yourself in your statement, she expected the PROCEEDS to go to the RC. She misunderstood the cost of business at a show. This is easily explained, but she felt the need to publicly embarass herself and others over a gesture of goodwill that was sincere on all parts. The laura I know seems to be a cunt. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 1:12pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] Nate, you should see about possibly sueing Laura as well |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 1:15pm - ArrowHead ""] By the way, look at the bigger examples. When live aid happened, do you think the bands' crews, trucks, equipment, and travel went unpaid for? At the end of the day, you pay what you need to to bring in the money. Nate did that. Then, the remainder or "proceeds" go into the pocket of the promoter. In a case of charity, THIS is the sum of donation. Without paying a guarantee, the band wouldn't play. Without the band, the fans of the band don't come. Without the fans, the money wouldn't have been there anyways. |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 1:19pm - ArrowHead ""] anonymous said:I write annonymously because the people that come here threaten others, resort to some pretty devisive tactics and are basically inarticulate and uninformed. Actually, you write anonymously because you fear repercussions against yourself for publicly sharing your opinion. It's a sign of weakness, and a lack of strong charachter. You boast of your articulation and information, yet no one will give earnest respect to the man who jumps onto the soapbox with a mask over his face. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 1:22pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] anonymous said: the Laura I know has the courage to do what's right. and the Jim I know laughed his ass off at all of our Tsunami jokes, and made some of his own about Dimebag Darrell |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 1:29pm - wade nli ""] Joe/NotCommon said:Nate, you should see about possibly sueing Laura as well |
| ______________________________ [Sep 22,2005 1:32pm - nate ""] all I want out of this is for her to drop it and admit that she was wrong. I don't have the money and or time to pursue a lawsuit against her. If I did I would be all over it like a seagull on a french fry. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 1:54pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] i dont think she can drop it, isnt it the red cross' investigation now? |
| ______________________________ [Sep 22,2005 2:09pm - nate ""] yeah it is in their hands but I have yet to receive a call from anyone other than the Boston Herald about it. I think the Red Cross has better things to do than worry about a misunderstanding, like say Hurricane Rita that is about to destroy southern Texas. But we'll wait and see, she gave my number to the Herald so I'm sure she did to the Red Cross... |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 2:13pm - anonymous ""] As I said before the burden lies on the accuser, yes, with all the threats of law suits and worse I wouldn't go public. You are in no position to judge my character, your words are meaningless. I know who I am and I know Laura and she believes that she is acting in good faith. Let the Red Cross and the authorities sort out what happened. In the meanwhile go look in the mirror. Only G-- is my judge. |
| ______________________________ [Sep 22,2005 2:16pm - nate ""] only G--? |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 2:16pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] God, but Jim usually spells it as dog |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 2:17pm - ArrowHead ""] anonymous said: Let the Red Cross and the authorities sort out what happened. Good advice, better given BEFORE calling newspapers. My words are meaningless because you have tin ears. I've pretty much agreed with everything you've said, except she should NOT have called the papers and given out nate's phone. The media already portrays the local scene poorly. She's now added to that. I judge god as well, so don't try hiding behind him with that God is my judge crap. You believe that? You'd sign your name. No one on either side has grounds or money for a lawsuit. That's a poor excuse you use. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 2:20pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] The newspapers also called Mike from Bane of Existence |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 2:28pm - largefreakatzero ""] Again, my offer stands, if $100 will make this go away, I will write the check. Let me know who to send it to. This woman is obviously insane and this is a waste of all our time. |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 2:38pm - Josh_Martin ""] Give me the $100 and I'll knock her teeth out. Hitting women is ok if you do it for money. |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 2:56pm - largefreakatzero ""] Josh_Martin said:Give me the $100 and I'll knock her teeth out. Hitting women is ok if you do it for money. Haha - well put! Actually, I think you just came up with a new song title for your band... |
| ______________________________ [Sep 22,2005 3:10pm - BSV ""] anonymous said:As I said before the burden lies on the accuser, yes, with all the threats of law suits and worse I wouldn't go public. You are in no position to judge my character, your words are meaningless. I know who I am and I know Laura and she believes that she is acting in good faith. Let the Red Cross and the authorities sort out what happened. In the meanwhile go look in the mirror. Only G-- is my judge. You're as much of a fraud as Laura is. God is fucking dead. Stop trying to bully the little guy. |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 4:21pm - BestialOnslaught ""] I can't believe "anonymous" says this bitch deserves applause... Fucking hell. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 5:26pm - DomesticTerror ""] anonymous said: Also, as a Red Cross volunteer I do not charge for gas money when I do anything to benefit the victoms of disaster. QUOTE] Malamor aren't Red Cross volunteers. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 5:42pm - RichHorror ""] I like how she signs her press release with a nickname. Fucking idiot. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 5:48pm - DomesticTerror ""] don't forget to send a letter to the patriot ledger. that article has some bad info as well. i like how it kinda plugs BOE. interesting. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 5:51pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] It doesn't really plug BOE, as it just mentions the shirt and then segues into what death metal is about. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 5:52pm - DomesticTerror ""] i'm just jealous, cuz no newspaper will print the word Whoremastery. not that the ledger is a real newspaper. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 6:03pm - DomesticTerror ""] actually, it seems that the agreement was between Nate and Jim Ash http://www.returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=21360#304819 |
| __________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 6:05pm - succubus ""] RichHorror said:I like how she signs her press release with a nickname. Fucking idiot. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA I agree 100% |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 6:10pm - DomesticTerror ""] just for the record, i'd like to retract my statement about considering boycotting BOE until they sever all ties with her. It's kinda pointless, because her company has already severed ties with them. yeah, it took me a day to realize that...oops. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 6:12pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] Yeah, but for some reason Jim still uses the BOE email list and myspace to plug her agenda. It makes no sense. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 6:15pm - RichHorror ""] Joe/NotCommon said:Yeah, but for some reason Jim still uses the BOE email list and myspace to plug her agenda. It makes no sense. Insert picture of vagina here. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 7:47pm - anonymous ""] Here is my last word on the subject. Anyone who is so intolerant to attack my religious beliefs is unworthy of my time and energy. I am glad to be an American!!! |
| _____________________________ [Sep 22,2005 7:50pm - mOe ""] now if only we knew just who in the high, holy hell you were |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 7:56pm - the_reverend ""] "you've unleashed the fucking fury!" |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 8:01pm - Notorious_D.U.G. ""] anonymous said:Here is my last word on the subject. Anyone who is so intolerant to attack my religious beliefs is unworthy of my time and energy. I am glad to be an American!!! last word really? don't tease us. is that a promise? sure hope so. thanks. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 8:02pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] the_reverend said:"you've unleashed the fucking fury!" haha that just cheered me up beyond belief |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 8:29pm - BornSoVile ""] I can't believe how much malicous destruction Laura has caused. I hope she's fucking happy. I hope it's fucking worth it. Even my nana knows she's out of line. |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 8:43pm - Handinjury NLI ""] This is FUCKING RETARDED. I played in one of the bands that night, Whoremastery to be exact. I just spent over a half hour reading this thread. I am really angry with this turnout of events. So I am going to make this post really short, because I need to calm down. 1) Nate, I know your intentions where good. I am really sorry this shit has to happen to you. 2) Laura Harrison AKA Chickey, fuck you. No one ever asked me for a donation at the show. I cant believe you would trash your own bf's band. 4) Anonymous, fuck you too. Go run and praise your worthless DEAD god. God has NOTHING to do with this. |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 8:46pm - Handinjury NLI ""] anonymous said:Here is my last word on the subject. Anyone who is so intolerant to attack my religious beliefs is unworthy of my time and energy. I am glad to be an American!!! You should have never brought it up, it has no relevance to this subject. And thats why I attack. I am proud to be an american also, now go fuck yourself. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 8:46pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] What happened to #3? I lost my Mouth of the Architect show at DeeDees because of the article mentioning the shirt I wore and I think the reporter who called DeeDees asked them why they let a band sell such shirts. I guess I deserve that but the shirt was pretty funny. Laura is a selfish cunt, in my opinion. |
| _________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 8:53pm - Handinjury NLI ""] I was told that laura and chickie are the same person. But i forgot to fix the numbering. And yes the shirt was awfull, but i got a good laugh. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 8:53pm - DomesticTerror ""] hmmm...isn't this what happened with Dans Spitz and Anthrax? |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 8:55pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] Laura and Chickie are the same person, Jim Ash's girlfriend. She doesn't work for the Red Cross, is just someone who made her own website (bands for relief) which was about bands and promoters donating money to the red cross. I could do the same exact thing right now, there was nothing very official about it, as far as I understand it. |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 9:03pm - DomesticTerror ""] anonymous, please check this out. i'm trying to help you. http://www.meadowhaven.org/ |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 22,2005 9:09pm - DomesticTerror ""] What is a cult? The definition of a “cult” is elusive and controversial. Webster’s dictionary defines a cult in several different ways: “A system of religious worship or ritual” “A quasi-religious group, often living in a colony, with a charismatic leader who indoctrinates members with unorthodox or extremist views, practices, or beliefs.” It is a group operating under the second definition above that can become totalistic, high-controlling, and abusive to its members. Robert J. Lifton, in his seminal work on thought-reform, Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism, proposed the following 8 characteristics of a high-control group . Milieu Control - Control of communication both from without and within the group environment, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from the surrounding society. Includes other techniques to restrict members' contact with outside world and to be able to make critical, rational judgments about information: overwork, busy-ness, multiple lengthy meetings, etc. Mystical Manipulation - The claim of divine authority or spiritual advancement that allows the leader to reinterpret events as he or she wishes, or make prophecies or pronouncements at will, all for the purpose of controlling group members. Demand for Purity - The world is viewed as black and white and group members are constantly exhorted to strive for perfection. Consequently, guilt and shame are common and powerful control devices. The Cult of Confession - Serious (and often not so serious) sins, as defined by the group, are to be confessed, either privately to a personal monitor or publicly to the group at large. The "Sacred Science" - The doctrine of the group is considered to be the ultimate Truth, beyond all questioning or disputing. The leader of the group is likewise above criticism as the spokesperson for God on earth. Loading the Language - The group develops a jargon in many ways unique to itself, often not understandable to outsiders. This jargon consists of numerous words and phrases which the members understand (or think they do), but which really act to dull one's ability to engage in critical thinking. Doctrine over Person - The personal experiences of the group members are subordinated to the "Truth" held by the group -- apparently contrary experiences must be denied or re-interpreted to fit the doctrine of the group. The doctrine is always more important than the individual. Dispensing of Existence - The group arrogates to itself the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. Usually held non-literally, this means that those outside the group are unspiritual, worldly, satanic, "unconscious," or whatever, and that they must be converted to the ideas of the group or they will be lost. If they refuse to join the group, then they must be rejected by the group members, even if they are family members. In rare cases this concept gives the group the right to terminate the outsider's life. Why does it matter? ...Impact of Cults More important than the exact definition, however, is the damage that can be done to those in an abusive group. According to a study performed by Michael Langone, Ph.D., of the American Family Foundation (AFF), some of the symptoms suffered by former members are (follow this link for a more detailed presentation of Langone's study): Anxiety, fear, and worry Feelings of anger toward the group leaders Mental confusion Vivid flashbacks to the group experience Low self-confidence Indecisiveness Difficulty concentrating Loneliness Compulsive need to talk about the group Despair, hopelessness, and helplessness Difficulty thinking critically Guilt about things done while in the group Troubled by thoughts that can't be gotten rid of "Floating" among very different states of mind Conflicts with loved ones & family A longing to restore certain aspects of group Sleeplessness Nightmares Difficulty finding suitable employment Fear of physical harm by the group Medical ills In addition to these symptoms, former members often find themselves having difficulty functioning, much less thriving, within a society that has changed and evolved during their time in the cult. Simple tasks like opening a bank account, going to the grocery store, or going to the doctor are overwhelming and confusing. All of these issues add stress and anxiety to the daily routine of life for the former member. Without healing, basic needs such as employment, relationships, and physical and mental health remain elusive as the cult identity continues to operate under the surface. The Prognosis: If the former members do not receive counseling from someone who understands their experience in a thought-reform environment, they will often find themselves seeking something that mirrors the cult environment. If they do receive quality counseling in the areas of trauma recovery and thought reform, chances are good that they will be able to not only recover their pre-cult identity, but learn and grow from their experience in the group. In addition, relationships that were lost or destroyed because of the cult can be healed and rebuilt. While recovery is not easy, the prognosis is good for those who receive help. For more information on resources for ex-members, please visit MeadowHaven's Resources page. |