top five overated and underated metal bands[views:27697][posts:202]____________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 1:16am - anonymous ""] ITS NOT YOUR MUSICAL TASTE ITS YOUR LACK OF SINCERITY ARE U 14 YEARS OLD? |
| _______________________________ [Aug 10,2005 1:17am - eddie ""] but blue is right |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 1:18am - anonymous ""] YES EXCEPT KING DIAMOND SHOULD BE ON THE LIST ALSO |
| ______________________________ [Aug 10,2005 1:18am - blue ""] SacreligionNLI said:i don't have time to listen to metal snobs berate me just because i like music they don't dude, you know very well that practically every person on this board dislikes all the bands you like, and have been into every band you just got into last month for years. so dont act like you wont get shit on when you talk about this stuff. anyway, its a freaking message board. its very easy to be an elitist on a messageboard. christ, i get shit on for what i listen to as well. big deal. |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 1:18am - SacreligionNLI ""] blue said:im old school emo? you mean i happen to know that nothing in the past 10 years can honestly be classified as emo cus i actually know the origins of the frigging genre? just because you dont know anything about the genre doesnt really give you authority to say that i was into it when it wasnt 'cool.' so i didn't specifically mention jawbreaker or noneleftstanding...i didn't even mean to include them in that generalization but it happened on accident granted im no emo expert...but i see a hell of a lot more of that new "emo" shit everyone's parading around than i see dimmu or opeth shirts |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 1:20am - anonymous ""] ID RATHER SEE WILLIE NELSON SHIRTS THAN OPETH AND DIMMU SHIRTS |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 1:20am - Dissector ""] Dude you're kidding me right? Three minutes ago you said you didn't have the time to listen to us and then you respond yet again. |
| ______________________________ [Aug 10,2005 1:20am - blue ""] anonymous said:ITS NOT YOUR MUSICAL TASTE ITS YOUR LACK OF SINCERITY how can i lack sincerity when i talk about the music ive loved for over half of my life? christ, youre the one who doesnt like king diamond. |
| _______________________________ [Aug 10,2005 1:21am - eddie ""] anonymous said:YES EXCEPT KING DIAMOND SHOULD BE ON THE LIST ALSO king diamond is good!!! good i say!!! |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 1:21am - anonymous ""] TOO SHAY YOU GOT ME ON THAT ONE |
| ______________________________ [Aug 10,2005 1:22am - blue ""] SacreligionNLI said:blue said:im old school emo? you mean i happen to know that nothing in the past 10 years can honestly be classified as emo cus i actually know the origins of the frigging genre? just because you dont know anything about the genre doesnt really give you authority to say that i was into it when it wasnt 'cool.' so i didn't specifically mention jawbreaker or noneleftstanding...i didn't even mean to include them in that generalization but it happened on accident granted im no emo expert...but i see a hell of a lot more of that new "emo" shit everyone's parading around than i see dimmu or opeth shirts hey, you mentioned jawbreaker. +10 points for you. that wasnt so bad now wasnt. STOP CALLING IT EMO IF YOU KNOW VERY WELL ITS NOT. you just make yourself sound like you dont know what youre talking about. |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 1:22am - SacreligionNLI ""] i like all the bands that i do because i like their music. i have not once gone on about a band that i found in the past couple months just to seem cool or anything...hell i usually just make a smart ass comment here and there and dissector totally zinged me a couple posts back...but i didn't take it to personally until you started targeting me and my band specifically |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 1:23am - anonymous ""] WHATS YOUR BAND NAME |
| ______________________________ [Aug 10,2005 1:24am - blue ""] SacreligionNLI said:i like all the bands that i do because i like their music. then dont take it so much to heart. if you like it, whats wrong with it? nothing. so dont worry. |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 1:26am - SacreligionNLI ""] well we were just having a debate about music and it got pretty heated(on a freakin message board) for a couple minutes...it happens...music is about emotion anyway right? it makes sense someone would be passionate about what they like...either way...work in 4 hours...now i really don't have time(no more berating has taken place...but you get my point) |
| ______________________________ [Aug 10,2005 1:27am - blue ""] there. now lets all have sex with each other. -AAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW- |
| ________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 1:28am - Abbath ""] @sac-christ dude give it a break |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 1:28am - anonymous ""] ILL BREAK U IN 2 LOVER |
| ______________________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 1:29am - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] MUSIC IS AN EMOTICON BARABARARBARABRBARABRBABRABRABBABABA |
| _______________________________ [Aug 10,2005 1:29am - eddie ""] blue said:there. now lets all have sex with each other. -AAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW- let all play urban dead |
| ________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 1:34am - xmikex ""] attendmyrequiem said:xmikex said:attendmyrequiem said:overrated: as the sun sets bury your dead terror throwdown underrated: Mouth of the Architect Ion Dissonance Disarmonia Mundi Textures terror is easily the most overrated metal band ever. .....? it was quite obvious that i was too stoned to remember that it was metal bands and not just bands. either way you tried to argue as the sunsets being grindcore... enough said. i couldn't possibly care less if as the sun sets was a "grindcore" band, or a C & C Music Factory cover band in the eyes of the internet. i'm not having a music nerd, metalcore afficianado internet debate. get a haircut. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 1:35am - anonymous ""] WELL DONE YOU REALLY SHOWED HIM |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 3:57am - dreadkill ""] opeth is my favorite band and has been for years, and even i'd say they are overrated by now. ever since blackwater park, they've been attracting alot of the wrong kinds of fans. i still love the music they put out, but at this point, the hype built up between the real fans and the idiot fans has reached ridiculous proportions. every kid who hangs out at the mall could get into them , and as long as they still put out good music, i will still be a fan. i like the new album, so i have no problem with the possibility of them reaching killswitch-like popularity from it. i can't control it. as for dimmu, i like some of their stuff. i think they're a good band, but they are far from one of the best black metal bands ever. i think they deserve some of the credit they get, but as far as black metal goes, there are way better bands out there. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 4:03am - dreadkill ""] my real list of overrated/underrated "metal" bands: overrated: killswitch, unearth, darkthrone, lamb of god, as i lay dying, black dahlia murder underrated: agalloch, blood duster, ephel duath, cynic, edge of sanity/dan swano, sculptured |
| __________________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 5:47am - BestialOnslaught ""] blue said:if there is anything that is mallcore these days it is definetly dimmu borgir. Hey, there's no need to be retarded about this. |
| _____________________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 9:01am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] BestialOnslaught said:Look, I don't care if anyone likes Dimmu or even think they are a terrible band, but you really need to look no further than stuff they've said publically to see that there is a big commercial element in their approach. I interviewed Silenoz, IN PERSON, and he said right there that they wanted to be able to make a living off their music and promote themselves through as many avenues as possible. I have it on a minicassette if I can find the dang thing. That is the very definition of commercialism and there is no disputing that is what Dimmu Borgir are, a commercial black metal band, by their own admission, regardless of liking or not liking their music! So Alex is 100% correct in this statement. |
| _____________________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 9:09am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] I actually enjoy Meshuggah a great deal. They came up with an innovative and hypnotic approach to metal, and they continue to dazzle with their lyrics and concepts. Also, it has never seemed as if they give two fucks if anyone likes them, so despite their success, I wouldn't classify them as mallcore or commercial, just because people buy their records. It's pretty much the 'in' thing now to dislike Meshuggah, so I don't see how anyone is overrating them... Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin sell tons of records at the mall...they are TOTALLY mallcore. |
| _____________________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 9:12am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] BestialOnslaught said:Anyway... Overrated: COF AT THE GATES SHADOWS FALL OPETH CRYPTOPSY DRAGON FORCE GWAR Underrated: WARFARE TANK SAMAEL MASTER'S HAMMER SAXON CONQUEROR NECROMANTIA Best post ever. Master's Hammer, Saxon, Necromantia, and Tank are TOTALLY underrated. |
| ________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 10:36am - eddie ""] DrinkHardThrashHard said:I actually enjoy Meshuggah a great deal. They came up with an innovative and hypnotic approach to metal, and they continue to dazzle with their lyrics and concepts. Also, it has never seemed as if they give two fucks if anyone likes them, so despite their success, I wouldn't classify them as mallcore or commercial, just because people buy their records. It's pretty much the 'in' thing now to dislike Meshuggah, so I don't see how anyone is overrating them... Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin sell tons of records at the mall...they are TOTALLY mallcore. floyd and zeppelin fans are either really really into it, or complete posers. i say this because the biggest zeppelin fan in the school does not wear the shirt ever. but there are 20+ people wearing a zeppelin shirt and 2/3 of them probably don't even own any of there albums. sadly this is becoming true of slayer and iron maiden as well. i don't know if this generalization is true in other places but it is in my suburban hell. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 10:54am - yodaslab ""] dimmu rocks, the general idea for most bands is to generate enough money to live off of and continue touring and spreading their music. Just because a band has the desire to market their music in a more profitable fashion, shouldnt necessarily condemn them to be "mall core" or "sell outs." most of us, if given the opportunity, would love to play music for a living and enjoy all the things that come along with success. Im not saying i desire to make millions of being a "rockstar" but it would be nice, as im sure most would agree, to have stability as far as income and finances are concerned and be able to play music for a living while touring, as oppossed to going to school and working in a post office as i currently am. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 10:59am - yodaslab ""] Just because they are trying to "promote" themselves in all areas doesnt mean they cant still be viewed as a good band. All bands try and promote themselves whether it be through t-shirts or stickers or whatever. If i desired to dedicate my life to music and try and live off of that music, well then i would absolutley 100% try and do anything and everything i could to see to it that my goal was accomplished, including seeking out all possible avenues that may lead to that goal. Live to play and play to live. |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 11:01am - Josh_Martin ""] A friend of mine used to work for Cradle of Filth's label. When Dimmu Borgir came out she would bitch about what a COF rip off they were. Flash forward one year. Now she works at Dimmu Borgir's label. She complains that people who call them COF rip offs have no idea what they're talking about. When Dimmu played the Palladium 5 or 6 years ago, another friend of mine was interviewing them for some magazine. We went to dinner with them. This was when Nick Barker and that Australian guy were in the band. This was also when Dummy Burger was the favored insult for Dimmu Borgir. Some of us ordered hamburgers for dinner. "Dummy Burger" was brought up. The norweigan members got all annoyed and acted all serious and grim. Nick and the Australian dude were wicked cool, partied, and let me and my friend take pictures of them stuffing hamburgers in their mouths. It was the ultimate Dummy Burger picture. |
| ______________________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 11:16am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] No, the general idea for most bands is to make music and have fun. Since less than 1% of all bands in the world can actually accomplish enough to make a living off their music, rockstar aspirations are the stuff of 13-year old daydreams, or people who act like 13-year olds. I want people to like me! I want to be popular! I'll do whatever it takes! Now, I never called Dimmu Borgir sell-outs, I simply said that by their own admission they were a commercial band. The reason so many people within the (2nd wave, Norway-centric) black metal community feel this way is that becoming accessible and appealing to those who haven't personally sought out this obscure form of music is admittedly diametrically opposed to the very philosophy of the genre that spawned such bands as Dimmu Borgir. This is why they take offense. Whether these aesthetics ruin anyone's enjoyment of Dimmu Borgir is entirely up to the individual. I used to own most of the DB CDs, but I personally do not enjoy the band anymore because their music bores the piss out of me, and is far too focused on big budget production instead of the aesthetics, songwriting, and philosophies I hold most dear when listening to black metal. I don't like Shadows Fall either, not since their very early days. Does it mean I think they are 'sellouts'? Absolutely not, they worked hard to get where they are, but I do not feel their music justifies their popularity. Same with Opeth and Children of Bodom. Does insignificant me change anyone's opinion or affect the popularity of these bands? Not one iota. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 11:19am - yodaslab ""] well, thas good that they were cool about it all for the most part. |
| ______________________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 11:23am - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] The time I spoke to Silenoz, he was definitely cool. I was kind of surprised how short that band was. |
| ___________________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 11:44am - dan_bloodblister ""] anonymous said:dan_bloodblister said:DIMMU BORGIR Singer To Guest On Norwegian Talk Show - Feb. 19, 2004 DIMMU BORGIR vocalist Shagrath will be a featured guest on Norway's most popular talk show, "Først & Sist". The show had previously aired interviews with such celebrities as Robbie Williams, Paul McCartney and Nicole Kidman. In addition, DIMMU BORGIR were recently featured in the biggest Norwegian newspaper with a two-page article. no links...and that's not them saying they have commercial intent yeah i guess there is a big difference between them saying they have commercial intent and them appearing on a massive talk show actually showing they have comercial intent. and theres no link, your right. i fabricated that entire article. fuckwit |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 11:48am - babyshaker ""] enough about dimmu borgir lol |
| ______________________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 12:09pm - DrinkHardThrashHard ""] Hahah, I missed the whole part about how they are on a talk show. That's pretty funny. |
| __________________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 12:38pm - SacreligionNLI ""] let's discuss a new band i really enjoy - EMPEROR! what are your sentiments on them? |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 12:47pm - niccolai nli ""] overrated: Opeth Opeth Opeth Opeth Opeth Are we allowed to list more then five? Because I can porbably keep that going for a while. |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 3:29pm - attendmyrequiem ""] i think i found myself a joe nc jr. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 4:28pm - BornSoVile ""] SacreligionNLI said:let's discuss a new band i really enjoy - EMPEROR! what are your sentiments on them? haha, NEW!!?!?! |
| __________________________________________ [Aug 10,2005 4:37pm - dwellingsickness ""] Let's hear it for Lord Gore!!:NEWHORNS: |
| ______________________________ [Aug 10,2005 4:51pm - nate ""] yay I've got poop! yay! |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 12,2005 2:07pm - anonymous ""] dreadkill said:overrated: mercyful fate death slayer iron maiden mayhem underrated: metallica korn slipknot limp bizkit killswitch That makes me laugh and laugh and laugh. agalloch is a band that i feel in underrated, Amorphis is fucking horrible, einherjer is underrated so is entombed, pig destroyer is very very much overrated, Slayer is so very much overrated. |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 12,2005 5:31pm - SacreligionNLI ""] BornSoVile said:SacreligionNLI said:let's discuss a new band i really enjoy - EMPEROR! what are your sentiments on them? haha, NEW!!?!?! not new in the sense that they recently came out, cmon now they broke up years ago i meant new to the argument |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 12,2005 5:38pm - SacreligionNLI ""] they rule though |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 12,2005 6:01pm - dreadkill ""] anonymous said:dreadkill said:overrated: mercyful fate death slayer iron maiden mayhem underrated: metallica korn slipknot limp bizkit killswitch That makes me laugh and laugh and laugh. agalloch is a band that i feel in underrated, Amorphis is fucking horrible, einherjer is underrated so is entombed, pig destroyer is very very much overrated, Slayer is so very much overrated. whoever you are, i definitely agree with you, except for amorphis. i put agalloch on my real list. einherjer is definitely underrated. entombed i wouldn't put in either category. pig destroyer isn't bad, but they're definitely overrated as you said. i never understood why everyone "jocked" (ha) that band so much. slayer, being slayer, is very overrated, although i do listen to them. |
| __________________________________________ [Aug 12,2005 7:10pm - intricateprocess ""] Yattering=seriously underrated |
| _______________________________________ [Aug 12,2005 7:21pm - DeOdiumMortis ""] Yattering isn't up to par with their Polish deathmetal brethren. They're alright but they're rated about what they're worth. |