the official FUCK OFF NOWADAYS BLACK METAL thread[views:44030][posts:201]_____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 12:27pm - trioxin245 ""] Czarnobog said:i'm pretty much on the same page as ross as far as the kind of black metal i like (shitty, fast, chaotic, raw, etc) but i don't get too worked up about all the watered-down ambient/artsy crap out there these days. i just don't listen to it and don't support the bands who play it. its a trend and it will pass. there's still plenty of good bands out there to be found who "keep it real" or at least don't give a fuck about mass appeal. Well yea, like I said earlier, this thread is more about celebrating the GOOD black metal than bitching about the bad. |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 12:28pm - AndrewBastard ""] i'm not too keen on revenge because a lot of it really is just noise...a cool riff pops up here and there but for the most part its hard to really appreciate and/or get into the music. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 12:28pm - Czarnobog ""] also, predicting that "old school death metal" is the next metal genre to get over-run with hipsters who are "too brutal" for black metal. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 12:30pm - trioxin245 ""] Czarnobog said:also, predicting that "old school death metal" is the next metal genre to get over-run with hipsters who are "too brutal" for black metal. That shit is already happening brother. Why do you think I'm trying so hard to distance Blessed Offal from being another 'old school death metal' band? Ever since I read a review calling us part of the 'nwosdm' (new wave of old school death metal) trend, I have despised all the nowadays 19 year olds who value Seven Churches more to sound old school than for the actual music. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 12:31pm - arilliusbm ""] I agree with Mikeov, Mark, Ross. Fuck it, AGREED. We all know what we like, what black metal represents to US, that's all that matters. |
| _________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 12:31pm - KEVORD ""] AndrewBastard said:i'm not too keen on revenge because a lot of it really is just noise...a cool riff pops up here and there but for the most part its hard to really appreciate and/or get into the music.It really is just boring noise and a way to sell $60 Die Hard tin boxed picture discs. When I went to brooklyn I saw at least 10 Revenge shirts. Total hipster. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 12:31pm - Czarnobog ""] the rest will be in phish psych-rock jam bands. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 12:33pm - trioxin245 ""] Czarnobog said:also, predicting that "old school death metal" is the next metal genre to get over-run with hipsters who are "too brutal" for black metal. Remember 10 years ago when noone gave two shits about Autopsy? Now it's everyone's favorite band all of a sudden. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 12:34pm - Czarnobog ""] trioxin245 said:That shit is already happening brother. Why do you think I'm trying so hard to distance Blessed Offal from being another 'old school death metal' band? Ever since I read a review calling us part of the 'nwosdm' (new wave of old school death metal) trend, I have despised all the nowadays 19 year olds who value Seven Churches more to sound old school than for the actual music. oh shit, i didn't realize there was actually a new genre name floating around for it. i've just been noticing more and more bands popping up playing that style... who don't look like the type of people who would play that style. YOU'RE FUCKED. |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 12:37pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] trioxin245 said: Czarnobog said:also, predicting that "old school death metal" is the next metal genre to get over-run with hipsters who are "too brutal" for black metal. Remember 10 years ago when noone gave two shits about Autopsy? Now it's everyone's favorite band all of a sudden. That's 'cause MetalSucks had to break kayfabe. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 12:37pm - trioxin245 ""] Czarnobog said: trioxin245 said:That shit is already happening brother. Why do you think I'm trying so hard to distance Blessed Offal from being another 'old school death metal' band? Ever since I read a review calling us part of the 'nwosdm' (new wave of old school death metal) trend, I have despised all the nowadays 19 year olds who value Seven Churches more to sound old school than for the actual music. oh shit, i didn't realize there was actually a new genre name floating around for it. i've just been noticing more and more bands popping up playing that style... who don't look like the type of people who would play that style. YOU'RE FUCKED. Don't worry, the next recording we do is going to separate us from that reiterative retro-death metal for good. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 12:44pm - Czarnobog ""] that's one cool thing about pulling this nachzehrer/martyrvore tour together, we've been getting to network with a lot of bands and promoters who are definitely part of the backlash against the watered down/mainstream-striving/smiley-face/"post"/etc black and death metal. not sure about the rest of the country but things are looking pretty good on the east coast these days (well, if you leave williamsburg out anyways haha). |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 12:49pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Czarnobog said:if you leave williamsburg out anyways haha always the right move. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 12:57pm - permafrost ""] trioxin245 said:Suit yourself. I'll take "Victory.Intolerance.Mastery" over KEVORD any day. THIS |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 1:00pm - taking abbath ""] so if a band has black metal influences,but they are not corpsepaint wearing trve kvlt then we shit all over them? please name some of these hipster bands,and tell me why your band ist krieg. |
| ____________________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 1:01pm - Obviously Obvious ""] Isnt Nachzehrer a band of overnighters? |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 1:03pm - Czarnobog ""] Obviously%20Obvious said:Isnt Nachzehrer a band of overnighters? totally. |
| ________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 1:04pm - KEVORD ""] permafrost said: trioxin245 said:Suit yourself. I'll take "Victory.Intolerance.Mastery" over KEVORD any day. THISYour KEVORD Woodbox Diehard Tryhard picture disc is no longer in the mail. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 1:09pm - permafrost ""] I'll accept your Antediluvian diehard lp instead. |
| ______________________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 1:11pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] taking%20abbath said:so if a band has black metal influences,but they are not corpsepaint wearing trve kvlt then we shit all over them? please name some of these hipster bands,and tell me why your band ist krieg. bobnomaamrooney said:Easily the worst thing about this band and contemporaries such as Krallice is that the genre they're aping is so reliant on atmosphere and context that it's really apparent when inauthentic bands play what they think of as black metal. In that respect these interlopers have no more artistic merit than, say, Eyes of Noctum. Or as I posted on Krallice after last year's show at Great Scott, band of their ilk's aimless noodling rings as hollow as any USBM band fabricating a pagan heritage to sing about (does Krallice get double points for throwing a Mjölnir into their logo?). In Krallice's case the music isn't connected to anything, it simply exists as shred records; for Liturgy the context is the mile wide and inch deep concept of North American rebirth or something having to do with Aaron Copeland compositions. That's arguably more pathetic an excuse for co-opting black metal than Krallice's shredding because it presents a whitewashed and childish view of North American history as its atmospheric thrust. It's not even a question of pastoral vs. urban black metal, there are a number of bands who capably write black metal that reflect their urban experiences. These "hipster" black metal bands seem unwilling to do so, whether it's a lack of knowledge beyond second-wave Norwegian bands or willful adherence to a narrow spectrum of influences I'm not sure. And it's a shame because you can make incredible black metal records with an urban context. I don't think any band does this better than Antaeus, Listening De Principii Evangelikum you can hear the crushing density and alienation of Paris' banlieues in everything from the wall of sound drumming and guitars to the terse almost exclusively monosyllabic lyrics MkM grunts in short bursts. bobnomaamrooney said:It's also foolish that the first place people go to in defending bands like this is the ultimately empty statement "lol they're not trying to be kvlt" see that shit everywhere and it's tiresome. I joke about bands like this too but really the issue isn't their fashion, it's that their music just isn't good or original. |
| ________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 1:12pm - KEVORD ""] permafrost said:I'll accept your Antediluvian diehard lp instead.It's not in a $60 wood box. No Can Do. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 1:13pm - arilliusbm ""] Company of Heroes wooden box with general metalhead or newb |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 1:17pm - trioxin245 ""] arilliusbm said:Company of Heroes wooden box with general metalhead or newb :LOL: |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 1:37pm - goatcatalyst ""] Velveteen boxes with fanciful calligraphy from Mr. Doctor or Manhattan clam chowder powerbottom |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 1:42pm - trioxin245 ""] ITT: ryan forms an unholy sexual bond with three muscle-bound black men clad in the fur of 1000 white mice to the tune of 'the sacrilege of fatal arms.' |
| ______________________________ [Aug 22,2012 1:50pm - ark ""] you can tell the bands that play black metal because they like it's potentially appealing sound, that make superficial recordings and try to distance themselves from some icky orthodoxy they don't like, then there's the bands that have the show of total skill and attention to aesthetics and attitude wrapped in hate. do you want to listen to some copycat chord machine or do you want to feel the hate????? |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 1:52pm - arilliusbm ""] Copy cat chord machine = 95% all metal |
| ______________________________ [Aug 22,2012 1:52pm - ark ""] yup |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 1:56pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] goatcatalyst said:Wooden crates with army stenciling from Doctor Manhattan blue dong superpowers FIX'D [img] |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 2:03pm - Czarnobog ""] taking%20abbath said:so if a band has black metal influences,but they are not corpsepaint wearing trve kvlt then we shit all over them? please name some of these hipster bands,and tell me why your band ist krieg. i'm no aril elitist. don't care about any "trveness" pissing matches, and i listen to plenty of post-'93 bands. i just appreciate bands who play the music they play because its an expression of raw emotion (anger, alienation, etc) and they don't give a fuck about trends or popularity or impressing other musician geeks or making money. that goes for any style of music i give a shit about. |
| ______________________________ [Aug 22,2012 2:10pm - ark ""] arilliusbm said:Company of Heroes wooden box with general metalhead or newb [img] |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 2:11pm - trioxin245 ""] Czarnobog said: taking%20abbath said:so if a band has black metal influences,but they are not corpsepaint wearing trve kvlt then we shit all over them? please name some of these hipster bands,and tell me why your band ist krieg. i'm no aril elitist. don't care about any "trveness" pissing matches, and i listen to plenty of post-'93 bands. i just appreciate bands who play the music they play because its an expression of raw emotion (anger, alienation, etc) and they don't give a fuck about trends or popularity or impressing other musician geeks or making money. that goes for any style of music i give a shit about. yea this thread has nothing to do with 'trve' or 'kvlt.' I'm just talking about MUSIC, not scenes. The music is all I ever cared about. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 2:12pm - arilliusbm ""] Czarnobog said: taking%20abbath said:so if a band has black metal influences,but they are not corpsepaint wearing trve kvlt then we shit all over them? please name some of these hipster bands,and tell me why your band ist krieg. i'm no aril elitist. don't care about any "trveness" pissing matches, and i listen to plenty of post-'93 bands. i just appreciate bands who play the music they play because its an expression of raw emotion (anger, alienation, etc) and they don't give a fuck about trends or popularity or impressing other musician geeks or making money. that goes for any style of music i give a shit about. aril elitist? Pissing contest? I couldn't care less about whats trve or not. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 2:13pm - arilliusbm ""] I wear fucking sandals to band practice. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 2:14pm - Czarnobog ""] i know, you just post like you do sometimes. it was a joke. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 2:16pm - Czarnobog ""] fixed Czarnobog said:i'm no aril elitist. don't care about any "trveness" pissing matches, and i listen to plenty of post-'93 bands. i just appreciate bands who play the music they play because its an expression of raw emotion (anger, alienation, etc) and they don't give a fuck about trends or popularity or impressing other musician geeks or making money and don't wear sandals. that goes for any style of music i give a shit about. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 2:16pm - arilliusbm ""] Trying to keep FMP alive brah. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 2:27pm - trioxin245 ""] arilliusbm said:I wear fucking sandals to band practice. so do I, and so does keith. FLIP FLOP KVLT ETERNAL |
| ____________________________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 2:32pm - Euronymous from the Grave ""] only black metal half shirts are real. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 2:32pm - arilliusbm ""] LOL |
| ____________________________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 2:33pm - Euronymous from the Grave ""] [img] |
| _______________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 2:36pm - AndrewBastard ""] next halloween costume ^ |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 2:38pm - trioxin245 ""] trioxin245 said: arilliusbm said:I wear fucking sandals to band practice. so do I, and so does keith. FLIP FLOP KVLT ETERNAL trve old school blackened flip flop metal ov death [img] |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 3:06pm - Cathach2002 ""] Fuck off to your goat-worship/laveyan jewish degenerate 'music'. The only true black metal is political. NATIONAL SOCIALIST BLACK METAL |
| _______________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 3:14pm - 2011 Kpanzer ""] I don't want to pole vault over a school of south american catfish or anything, but I prefer 'Blood on Ice' to 'the Return' any day. |
| _______________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 3:16pm - AndrewBastard ""] LOL ^ |
| _______________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 3:18pm - AndrewBastard ""] i hate to pogo stick over a portuguese manowar here but.... |
| _______________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 3:18pm - AndrewBastard ""] look i'm not trying to triple sow cow over a horseshoe crab here but uhh.. |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 3:19pm - Cathach2002 ""] An honorable foe would show himself......... Pathetic cowardly Zog-poster. |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 22,2012 3:20pm - Cathach2002 ""] I'm not trying to dance over the corpses of 6 million dead jews or anyth-OH WAIT! IAM! |