Internet < Real Life[views:49045][posts:196]______________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 12:00pm - RustedAngel ""] On Saturday night, I was assaulted just after Morbid Angel finished up their set. I'm not going to get into too much detail about it. I really didn't want to make a big deal about it but since people are talking I might as well issue a statement about it. I was talking to Rev, my girlfriend, and standing next to some other friends who are regulars on this board. I was tapped on the shoulder by someone who I thought was a friend, whom I've NEVER spoken a negative word about and someone who is also twice if not more my size. I turned around to shake his hand and say 'What's up?'. Suddenly he grabs my head, bashes it against his, then pushes me over the seat/bar onto the pit floor and takes off. I stood up just trying to figure out what was going on. Everyone around had no idea it was even me at first, some thought it was a joke. Whatever. Anyways, I'm fine. I've since tried calling this induvidual to find out what the issue is, left a message, no reply. I will keep trying though as I would prefer to verbally settle whatever problem there is that I'm totally unaware of. If you have been around here as of late, you'd know that I haven't been involved in too many discussions especially negative ones consisting of drama. Maybe I'm growing up a bit, or I'm just sick of it, I don't know. Josh Martin and I have had our fair share of arguments over this forum in particular and never has he taken things seriously enough to physically attack me. We've both said some pretty terrible things to eachother but it never left the internet. Why? Because we all have opinions, things to say, and no matter what is said it doesn't mean you want to do physical harm to that person because regardless of what you do to that person you can't take someone's opinions away from them. I will still have my opinions and no one will be able to take them from me, well unless you remove my brain. I understand there are going to be people who are laughing about this thinking "well he deserved it." None of you will be able to convince me that I deserved being attacked for talking on a message board. Luckily I walked away with minimal injury, but it could have been worse if I was hit in a certain spot on my nose. Who knows? What if for some ridiculous reason I sufferred serious brain trauma and died? Over Internet Message Board Drama...and because someone takes harmless internet drama THAT seriously. Would you be laughing then? you know I wouldn't be suprised if some of you said yes. Am I going to go bomb your house for it or even care all that much? NO. Well I have to say that my safety is not worth sacrificing for this message board. I know I can post on harmony-central.com and such talking about how certain guitars and amps suck without people much bigger than I hunting me down at shows for a cheapshot. I will still be around but only to discuss shows and other harmless matters. I've been a member of this board since it opened in Jan 02, but whatever, I'll have more time to play guitar/work and get stuff done. Have fun everyone, and let this be an eye opener to anyone who thinks they are invincible online unless you stay inside all the time you never know who's going to take it to the next level. Apparently there are people who will, even one's who you'd least expect it from. -ra DrinkHardThrashHard said:Was he misinformed? And if it wasn't something said on a message board, etc., why write about it here and then cite that you are going to lay off the message boards? I didn't say I was going to lay off message boards as a whole, I wanted to point out that I have in fact layed off most of all the drama here and will continue to do so because before you know it, someone takes something in the wrong context, then that person tells someone else but adds on another sentence and by the time it reaches the last person it's a completely different story. I'm am done with it, it's not worth it. So if his point in this was to give me a wake up call to stop internet 'shit talking' it's too late, I already have. |
| ________________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 12:05pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] Tell me who hit you so I can make fun of them in other threads in hopes they suckerpunch me. |
| ________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 12:09pm - silky ""] a headbutt? who was it, the junk yard dog? seriously though, that's pretty fucking pathetic. |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 12:11pm - Josh_hates_you ""] The singer of senseless mutilation from what I read. I must have just missed this since I left shortly after the MA set. |
| _______________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 12:15pm - the_reverend ""] it was with in a few inch of my open bag where tom was thrown over. I was putting my (and carina's) camera gear away in. the bag was around arm-pit level and all my stuff would have been destroyed in a fall like that. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 12:27pm - succubus ""] i was shocked when aaron first told me this as well...i still don't get it...don't think it's funny either. Even if it was message board crap, then talk to the person if something bothers you that much. |
| _______________________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 12:31pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Tom, I will teach you martial arts over the next few months and then you can crane kick whoever did this to you at the Tri-Valley Regional Metal Championships. Then we can head to Okinawa for a little RnR |
| _______________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 12:33pm - Anthony nli ""] i think this situation is ridiculous. The guy who attacked Tom is a coward. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 12:36pm - BourBon ""] is his name doug aubin? |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 12:59pm - dreadedsilence ""] sounds like a scene in the Sopranos last night |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 1:05pm - SeedBassist ""] Wow....what a fucking cunt, that's just not cool. I don't see why someone would have THAT much of a problem with Tom, he's one of the nicest guys i've ever met. Just sucks when people take a message board too seriously and resort to attacking someone unexpectedly. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 1:11pm - ShadowSD ""] Stupid drunk violent pussy. By definition, the only violent pussy anywhere should be female. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 1:11pm - ShadowSD ""] (That means that he's gay, too) |
| _________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 1:13pm - kailyn ""] Tom didn't deserve this...no one deserves that kind of treatment because what they say on a discussion board. |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 1:17pm - DreamingInExile ""] yeah, the internet isn't worth starting a real fight over. we all are entitled to our own opinions and shouldn't have to live in fear of reprocussions from speaking (typing) what's on our minds. Tom, I hope this all works out in the end, and I'll whole heartedly agree that: Internet < Real Life but in actuallity the expression should be: The Internet != Real Life (anyone not akin to g33k sp33k it translates to: The Internet DOES NOT EQUAL Real Life) |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 1:18pm - DreamingInExile ""] kailyn said:Tom didn't deserve this...no one deserves that kind of treatment because what they say on a discussion board. I agree. Tom didn't deserve it. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 1:20pm - mOe nli ""] i think this is ABSOLUTE bullshit. I wont name names or anything like that but they know who they are and Tom asked i dont instigate anything further but i HAVE to say something. GROW THE FUCK UP. It's a message board. So what if someone doesnt like your band, the music you listen to, or even you! They're entitled to think and feel however the fuck they please. Taking cheap shots and taking off isnt gonna make anyone fear you or keep their mouth shut about the things you say. Its just gonna make them extremely comfrtoable in the idea that you are weak, close-minded, and a coward. I get into my fair share of arguments with people on this board, but never in a million years would assume that it would bring me or someone i know to any kind of bodily harm. Who the hell do you think you are? Everytime i think about this i fume like crazy. Anyone who knows Tom IN PERSON knows he is one of the nicest dudes on this board. So what if he's opinionated. Thats what a message board is all about. I may be babbling but I cant help it. FUCK Censorship of ANY kind because thats exactly what this situation is. |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 1:44pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] tom, if you give up doing what you do cause someone assaulted you, it justifies their attack. You can curb your responses, I suppose, if you felt they were too caustic, but all and all I think learning from violence just supports violence as a means to an end. It's better to continue as who you are, showing that you won't let people try and "teach" you things with physical violence. Whoever this dude is is a fucking goon. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 1:47pm - niccolai ""] I don't know Tom. I've only talked to him once wich was over aim to ask him a question and he was really helpful... I don't see any reason this had to happen. |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 1:50pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] tom's thin and not especially tall, clearly anyone that is big and brawny has no business fucking with him. Plus he's a nice guy, very friendly. He's not like this big menacing ogre or anything. I would think someone should just talk to him first. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 1:50pm - the_reverend ""] or, just post shit-talking anonymously... that's what everyone else does. don't deny it, remember, I see your ips. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 1:51pm - pam nli ""] Is Tom the first RTTP person to actually be assaulted for what they said online? Can we get the kid a fucking trophy? He achieved what so many have failed in attempting... |
| __________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 1:52pm - niccolai ""] Any shit-talking I do is strictly signed in. You're all ugly. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 1:54pm - niccolai ""] pam nli said:Is Tom the first RTTP person to actually be assaulted for what they said online? Can we get the kid a fucking trophy? He achieved what so many have failed in attempting... I got jumped by a skin head with a big stick and fat girlfriend about 2 years ago for shit talking on RTTP. I wouldn't change it for the world. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 2:00pm - i_am_not_me ""] DreamingInExile said: I agree. Tom didn't deserve it. Definitely not. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 2:00pm - Josh_Martin ""] Tom says shit that goes beyond just having an opinion. Tom says lots of shit that, if he was saying it to that person's face, would get him punched out and it would be deserved. The lesson here is, don't say things on the internet that you wouldn't say to someone's face. Some people get violent, that's life. Its good that Tom learned that you can't always hide behind your keyboard. Whoever headbutted him is a pussy for running away after he did it though. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 2:04pm - pam nli ""] Josh_Martin said:Tom says shit that goes beyond just having an opinion. Tom says lots of shit that, if he was saying it to that person's face, would get him punched out and it would be deserved. The lesson here is, don't say things on the internet that you wouldn't say to someone's face. Some people get violent, that's life. Its good that Tom learned that you can't always hide behind your keyboard. Whoever headbutted him is a pussy for running away after he did it though. While I think this situation is pretty gay, I do agree that you shouldn't say shit online that you wouldn't say to someone's face. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 2:05pm - inject-now ""] i knew one day someone would do this to tom. its really not very surprising it happened. sucks for you man. careful what you say. internet or not. all kinds of shitheads in this world. |
| ____________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 2:07pm - inject-now ""] Josh_Martin said:Tom says shit that goes beyond just having an opinion. Tom says lots of shit that, if he was saying it to that person's face, would get him punched out and it would be deserved. The lesson here is, don't say things on the internet that you wouldn't say to someone's face. Some people get violent, that's life. Its good that Tom learned that you can't always hide behind your keyboard. Whoever headbutted him is a pussy for running away after he did it though. pretty much all that needs to be said. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 2:09pm - RustedAngel ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said:tom, if you give up doing what you do cause someone assaulted you, it justifies their attack. You can curb your responses, I suppose, if you felt they were too caustic, but all and all I think learning from violence just supports violence as a means to an end. It's better to continue as who you are, showing that you won't let people try and "teach" you things with physical violence. Whoever this dude is is a fucking goon. Nick, I agree with what your saying and let me clarify what my original post was getting at. I haven't been 'talking shit' about anything lately, I stopped because it was just getting old. Which even furthermore makes this entire attack on me even more bogus. I've never said anything negative about his band, in fact he was in porphyria for a period of time right before I joined the band, I've talked to him on the phone a few times the most recent time being in november and there was no bad blood at all. The violence on me hasn't taught me anything other than the fact that some people have serious issues attacking someone with the build of a 13 year old in comparison to them. haha. Especially when there was no previous instigation of anything of the such. Someone was probably feeding him bullshit that night or previously which lead him to do what he did. Stepping back and watching all the scene drama go on here without getting involved just makes me think to myself "man, did I really act/say things like that, why did I waste my time?!" There are plenty of retired people who don't post here anymore who would definitely agree on that. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 10,2006 2:09pm - jesus ""] i gotta respect a good headbutt. especially if he dropped the guy. but running away? pfftt should have stood over him and spit on him. now thats a real headbutter's m.o. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 2:11pm - dwellingsickness ""] I know alot of people on here talk shit about Troll, And he is in the same band, But yeah that is ridiculous. I am friends with those guys and they do get a little rowdy at times, But I never would have seen that coming. I can see sticking up for a band member, but not like that. |
| ______________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 2:12pm - danny p nli ""] i like silky's JYD comment. Some of these other comments aren't needed. |
| _________________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 2:12pm - DreamingInExile ""] I'm not one to talk shit, sure once in a while I've said a few things, but all-in-all I usually keep my mouth shut if I don't have anything good to say. I don't know what instigated the headbutt, but I'd really like to know. I just hope that this can all be resolved verbally without anymore physical violence. and I agree with your comment about having the build of a 13yr old... I'm just as scrawny as you... HAHAHA |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 2:14pm - RustedAngel ""] dwellingsickness said:I know alot of people on here talk shit about Troll, And he is in the same band, But yeah that is ridiculous. I've never said anything bad about Troll either. I know people who have and reasons why but he's never done anything to me directly. I'm pretty sure he was also present during this incident and who flipped me off as I stood up. Why? I do not know. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 2:21pm - dwellingsickness ""] I guess attendance at Coos County fest just dropped for this year.. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 2:29pm - RustedAngel ""] dwellingsickness said:I guess attendance at Coos County fest just dropped for this year.. I doubt it, the one we played was pretty awesome and was a good time. I did have some complaints about one of the bands that played that one member of senseless got defensive about. I didn't threaten him or even say enough to deserve this even if it was to his face. Anyways, There are a lot of people up there who are deprived of shows so I'm sure they'll continue having the same turnout as long as the lineup is solid. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 2:32pm - RustedAngel ""] I wonder if the motive was because I prefer Steve Tucker over David Vincent in Morbid Angel. |
| __________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 2:35pm - niccolai ""] RustedAngel said:I wonder if the motive was because I prefer Steve Tucker over David Vincent in Morbid Angel. ... I'll kill you. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 2:37pm - dreadkill ""] i'm surprised the singers of twytch and wretched asylum haven't attacked me and the majority of rttp posters yet. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 2:40pm - i_am_not_me ""] RustedAngel said:I wonder if the motive was because I prefer Steve Tucker over David Vincent in Morbid Angel. Perhaps. And thus I should probably refrain from saying that I think David Vincent aiming to replace Joey DeMaio in Manowar. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 2:44pm - dwellingsickness ""] RustedAngel said:I wonder if the motive was because I prefer Steve Tucker over David Vincent in Morbid Angel. Steve Tucker sucks...That's it, I am kickin your ass next time I see you:NEWHORNS: |
| _________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 2:53pm - mcmahon ""] shitty deal, where was security? huddled off to the left of the stage measuring biceps? what suprises me the most is that everyone just watched. i'm no tough guy, but if it went down like you said, then I would at least have been like "what the fuck was that?" sucks you can't even trust your friends in this business. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 2:54pm - dreadkill ""] i think his friends were too shocked and taken by surprise to react before the kid ran away. |
| _____________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 2:58pm - RustedAngel ""] dreadkill said:i think his friends were too shocked and taken by surprise to react before the kid ran away. yeah, it's definitely understandable. Though I think if other certain friends of mine were present it wouldn't have happend that way if at all. Oh well. It's over. I'd still like to talk with him to squash whatever issue he has like a civil human being. |
| _________________________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 3:02pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] I question if Tim had been there whether there would have been such a problem. I'd like to see that guy headbutt you with that brawny fellah around. |
| __________________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 3:02pm - dwellingsickness ""] Have you called him? |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 3:03pm - dreadkill ""] i like when people settle things like adults. |
| _________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 3:03pm - kailyn ""] mcmahon said:shitty deal, where was security? huddled off to the left of the stage measuring biceps? what suprises me the most is that everyone just watched. i'm no tough guy, but if it went down like you said, then I would at least have been like "what the fuck was that?" sucks you can't even trust your friends in this business. Unfortunatly, it happened so quickly that no one had time to react. I didn't even know it was Tom until a few seconds after it happened. The "security" guards COULD have done something though. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 10,2006 3:03pm - dreadkill ""] looks like i was correct |