Ben Sisto is trying to control the entire club scene in Boston[views:29945][posts:159]__________________________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 12:47pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] anonymous said:DestroyYouAlot said:anonymous said:Why hasn't Blood For Blood played on Lansdowne in several years? Why are there no more matinee shows at Bills with bands like Bane and the rest of the Bridge9 brigade? You do have something resembling a point, in that meathead hardcore does fuck it up for metal and real punk. But I'm guessing that's not what you were getting at. No that IS exactly what I was getting at. And I was also making the point that in the minds of the people who actually run the clubs on Lansdowne Street, there is very little difference between having Blood For Blood play and having Mastadon play or Bane or Cannibal Corpse. People like you and I think "What? These bands sound nothing alike and <i>completely</i> different crowds go to see these bands.." But do you think anyone in those offices down there gives a shit? To them it's extreme music. Once again: No one gets their nose broken when the Rapture or the Shins play at Avalon or whatever. Ah ah ah...you don't hear about the down side of those shows, but there surely MUST be one. What is it? |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 1:56pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said:anonymous said: Once again: No one gets their nose broken when the Rapture or the Shins play at Avalon or whatever. Ah ah ah...you don't hear about the down side of those shows, but there surely MUST be one. What is it? Dudes that all look like Gibby doing lines off of each others' units. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 2:12pm - anonymous ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said: Ah ah ah...you don't hear about the down side of those shows, but there surely MUST be one. What is it? The biggest downside of a Shins show is that it allows the mentally retarded to meet each other and engage in intercourse. Guy: OMFG YOU LIKED GARDEN STATE TOO? THAT MOVIE SPOKE TO ME ON SOOOOO MANY LEVELS I REALLY UNDERSTOOD THE MID-20'S MALAISE! Girl: IT'S SO REFRESHING TO MEET A GUY WHO UNDERSTANDS ARTISTIC CINEMA AND IS SENSITIVE AND UNDERSTANDS MY FEELINGS AS A WOMAN! Guy:WANT TO FUCK, I'VE GOT THE NEW INTERPOL EP WE CAN LISTEN TO THAT AND I CAN PUT MY PENIS IN YOUR VAGINA Girl: OMG YOU ARE SO DEEP! LET'S FUCK! |
| ______________________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 2:12pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] ^^^That was I |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 2:18pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Wait, the guy or the girl? |
| ______________________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 2:19pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] I was Paul Driscoll broadcasting live from the Paradise. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 17,2005 2:25pm - anonymous ""] Why woud Ben Sisto recomend that people email him ideas for Obriens, and he will pass them on to Martin Doyle, when in reality you can just call and ask for Martin?" Dude, for like the 5th fucking time, that god damn thread said you could call him at the fucking bar. Is that really that hard to grasp, joe? "Ben Sisto cancelled Dysrhythmia on me, with the bullshit excuse that it was going to be too violent. However, Sex Positions was safe enough compared to instrumental hippy metal. He tried to blame it on a situation at Obriens, from the advice of Drew (their former bar manager), but that turned out to be a lie." Do you have some proof that's a lie? Because, I'm still under the impression from info I've gotten from several sources that it is true. And Sex Pos vs a metal band??? Are you serious? First off, Sex Pos' crowd is virtually little kids. Also, again, it's a band I booked (not sure if they played a Ben show, too). Mark Vieira |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 18,2005 11:24am - anonymous ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said: Ah ah ah...you don't hear about the down side of those shows, but there surely MUST be one. What is it? The only downside I can think of is that the club makes less bar money off of these crowds. What do you think it is? Now maybe you can answer me this: There's dozens of posts on this board like this one> "I had a crazy theory as to what's wrong with local shows" where local metal denizens point fingers at each other, call each other "faggot", and tell each other that their band/shows/whatever "sucks". Where's the Ben Sisto/Honeypump/Mark Veira/Great Scott/etc. equivelant of that? -Joe P |
| ________________________________________ [Nov 18,2005 11:30am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Ben Sisto vs Robin Goodhue is that equivelant. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 18,2005 3:49pm - anonymous ""] I have no idea who Robin Goodhue is or why he's is "vs." Ben Sisto. My point is there are a handful of people on this board including "taste_of_cigarettes" (whom I have never met) who seem genuinely concerned with "improving their scene" and are encouraging intelligent dialogue. And it seems like whenever they actually make a post to encourage dialogue on the subject, they are put down, criticized, laughed at, "why do you care about the scene your band sucks faggot!" etc. etc. Honestly, I have no idea who half of these bands and venues and labels are, even though they're Boston-based. Why? Because just like Ben's lil Honeypump/Great scotts/PA's Lounge scene and the whole NoiseBoard/Abbey Lounge/Mr. AirplaneMan garage scene or some crusty punk bands who only play shows in basements in lower Allston and then go to Spike's for veggie dogs afterwards, these different scenes are always going to have some level of insulation. Wasting time complaining about Ben or whoever is useless because (as mentioned in other posts) it is most likely people within YOUR OWN SCENE who are preventing certain clubs from regularly booking metal/hardcore etc. shows. So what is the downside of the Honeypump/Sisto scene? I don't know, but like I mentioned before, it doesn't prevent club owners from letting bands regularly play their clubs. The dudes at Bill's went out of their way to get Michael from the Pill into the fold, opening up the doors for Ben/MarkV/etc. and other friends of the Pill to book shows there. Why hasn't Bill's reached out to anyone in the metal/hardcore crowd? Because Ben Sisto told them not to? |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 18,2005 3:52pm - anonymous ""] ^ Joe P |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 2:46am - anonymous ""] Oh hey guys. This is Ben. So, I just got this link of the honeypump board. I don't feel a need to go into great detail as people already have their preformed views on me / honeypump and so forth, but I will save a few quick things I work on events I enjoy. In Boston and the music scene in general, it seems hard to believe that someone is just 'doing it for fun', but I really am. When I first began booking shows at Mass Art, it was to raise money for art shows at the ICA. I really had no intention of getting this involved with music. As time went on however, it became more and more important and here I am today, still doing what I enjoy and being thankful for it. At the end of the day, people need to realize that dude to Boston's size and transient population, EVERYONE has the potential to do shows, events, and programs that they find rewarding and positive. We have the exact right number of venues to be both cooperative and competative, which breeds the best results. Am I the best promo dude ever? Doubtful. Do I book the 'best' shows? Objective. All I can really say is that I'm doing what I enjoy and people maybe could spend less time being worried about the 'say' I have in things, and more time understanding that at the end of the day my 'say' is bullshit. My 2 cents are the same as anyones. With regards to O'Briens - Martin, the booking dude, ASKED me to find new bands and so forth to suggest to him because as someone not super into email, he knows he can't hear everyone's opinions. You want a show there, call Martin or the bar. You want a show there that is somehow suggest via me, fine - email me. It's 100% up to you. I dunno..some people dislike me because I refuse to work with people who use words like 'nigger' and 'faggot', and if thats an issue all I can say is, it's 2005 and I have no time or energy to deal with those who are unwilling to work together in a positive way. The music I like, whatever - It's what I like. Kill Rock Stars is prolly the lamest label ever to some people here, so go out and book what you love, do what you love, and everyone together will make Boston awesome. Boston rules. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 2:54am - anonymous ""] also in reply to: post by the_taste_of_cigarettes at Nov 13,2005 10:42pm I am saying that Ben Sisto might very well be trying to "control" the boston scene as joe put, but I think it's only part of a large issue which is that there are no clear guidelines for how a promoter should or is expected to behave, and, if they behave in a way that is counter productive for a healthy environment, what does anyone do in response? >> I dunno man, give me examples of what Honeypump has done 'wrong' and I will totally listen to them. I want everything in Boston to be better and fully accept that not all my choices are 'best' for everyone. So, inform me as to the specifics and perhaps moving forward in the future choices can be made that better the community as a whole. But keep in mind, that I'm doing events I personally enjoy. If I wasn't, you'd all be saying 'Ben doesnt even LOVE Eyehategod, and its LAME that he got to work with them'. So what do you want, me to only deal with events I love and in turn shut certain people out, or for me to be fake and take funds and trust from bands who I don't know much about? I mean, really. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 3:01am - anonymous ""] "Ben Sisto cancelled Dysrhythmia on me, with the bullshit excuse that it was going to be too violent. However, Sex Positions was safe enough compared to instrumental hippy metal. He tried to blame it on a situation at Obriens, from the advice of Drew (their former bar manager), but that turned out to be a lie." OK Fine, I will go over this here also. You asked me to book this event at GS and I did. After, and event you booked at our 'sister' venue of O'Briens ended with windows being broken. My boss at GS told me to bail on the event. I explained to them in full that I didn't think it would be a 'problem' show, but since the O'Briens stuff had just gone down, I wasnt in much position to debate. I have bosses, believe it or not. So, in the end I emailed you saying I was super sorry but it wasn't my choice. You have held onto this as your only real 'point' against me. Did I talk to the bands directly? Nope, it was your show. All I told you was 'sorry, it's out of my hands because of shit that went down at one of YOUR events'. Can't understand basic facts? Sorry dude. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 3:11am - anonymous ""] And for the last time re: Robin being 'banned' from GS You call me a nigger, a faggot, and use 'jew' (as Robin did me and others) in the same light and I am not going to work with you. These 'extreme' ways of being noticed are hateful, unneeded, counterproductive, and simply stupid. If someone seriously thinks I should just 'ignore it' when someone is using 'nigger' and 'faggot' than yes, I want nothing to do with you. |
| ___________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 3:13am - QUESTION ""] SO WHAT DOES EVERYONE THINK OF REGENERATION RECORDS??? |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 3:14am - anonymous ""] Really awesome DIY startup store. Prolly one of the best things to happen to Allston in ages. I try to buy at least 1 LP a week from them. |
| ______________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 3:19am - the_reverend ""] never been there... but maybe some day. |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 3:41am - anonymous ""] Wait Waaah? -sisto |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 3:45am - anonymous ""] Oh also, Nick P (taste of cigs): If you want to say anything to my face ever, maybe like the time you tried to appologize for borderline raping a friend of mine, I'm around. ben @ honeypump . net |
| ______________________________ [Dec 24,2005 4:37am - nick ""] wait, what the fuck is 'WOTAN MIT UNS'? |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 9:04am - horror_tang ""] anonymous said:Oh also, Nick P (taste of cigs): If you want to say anything to my face ever, maybe like the time you tried to appologize for borderline raping a friend of mine, I'm around. ben @ honeypump . net Borderline rape? What the fuck is that?! You either rape someone or you don't rape someone. Since rape is actually a violent crime, did he rape her and tell he loved her at the same time? I might buy that as being borderline rape. If there was some sort of borderleine rape, then why didn't it get reported to thr cops, or did someone go to the cops and report a rape and then the cops replied, "well, you see. That's what we like to call bordlerline rape. Had he not said I love you during the ordeal he would definitely be up on rape charges." Oh, and whatever happened to the boycott of their show? |
| ________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 9:56am - Beakey ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said:I think Ben has done some really big achievements but I also think he is a powermonger, and he's not the only one on the list. Are you insinuating that I'm a powermonger? And I'm sure somebody already posted this Honeypump thread. http://board.honeypump.net/t.php?id=25328&r=44 |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 10:02am - anonymous ""] Borderline rape? What the fuck is that?! You either rape someone or you don't rape someone. Since rape is actually a violent crime, did he rape her and tell he loved her at the same time? I might buy that as being borderline rape. If there was some sort of borderleine rape, then why didn't it get reported to thr cops, or did someone go to the cops and report a rape and then the cops replied, "well, you see. That's what we like to call bordlerline rape. Had he not said I love you during the ordeal he would definitely be up on rape charges." Oh, and whatever happened to the boycott of their show? this is the dumbest thing I've ever read |
| _________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 10:05am - Beakey ""] anonymous said:Borderline rape? What the fuck is that?! You either rape someone or you don't rape someone. Since rape is actually a violent crime, did he rape her and tell he loved her at the same time? I might buy that as being borderline rape. If there was some sort of borderleine rape, then why didn't it get reported to thr cops, or did someone go to the cops and report a rape and then the cops replied, "well, you see. That's what we like to call bordlerline rape. Had he not said I love you during the ordeal he would definitely be up on rape charges." Oh, and whatever happened to the boycott of their show? this is the dumbest thing I've ever read JoJo Dancer is Boston's Most Wanted Borderline Rapist |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 10:06am - anonymous ""] QUESTION said:SO WHAT DOES EVERYONE THINK OF REGENERATION RECORDS??? QUESTION WHY IS IT THAT EVERY TIME I'M WALKING DOWN THE STREET SOMEONE HANDS ME A FLYER? MAN, FUNK DAT! |
| _________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 10:07am - Beakey ""] anonymous said:QUESTION said:SO WHAT DOES EVERYONE THINK OF REGENERATION RECORDS??? QUESTION WHY IS IT THAT EVERY TIME I'M WALKING DOWN THE STREET SOMEONE HANDS ME A FLYER? MAN, FUNK DAT! Possibly the greatest song ever written. Or maybe not. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 10:13am - anonymous ""] beaky-fat nugs 4 life |
| _________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 10:14am - Beakey ""] anonymous said:beaky-fat nugs 4 life In some ways, it seems like you know too much. In other ways, it seems like you can't spell my name, even though it is right there in front of you. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 10:15am - anonymous ""] today is anonymous posting day, everyone log out and post anonymously. Only Aaron will know the true identities! |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 10:15am - anonymous ""] Brophee made me. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 10:16am - anonymous ""] aron shmaron |
| __________________________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 10:17am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 07:19:49 -0800 (PST) From: "N Cigarettes" <fireandjail@yahoo.com> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert Subject: go fuck yourself To: ben@honeypump.net thanks for bringing up that rape bullshit on christmas eve. I hope you rot in hell you fucking holy-rolling piece of shit. -N |
| _________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 10:17am - Beakey ""] anonymous said:Brophee made me. Brophy...Brophy...BROPHY What is wrong with you? |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 10:19am - anonymous ""] Radick fucking sux tho. |
| _________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 10:21am - Beakey ""] anonymous said:Radick fucking sux tho. Go here: http://board.honeypump.net |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 10:23am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Ben Sisto still sucks, and why is honeypump on that DIY site when it's now the farthest thing from? NEST, like NEMO, is just plain stupid. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 10:28am - anonymous ""] Joe its Robin are we on the NYE show or what!???? |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 10:30am - Joe/NotCommon ""] anonymous said:Joe its Robin are we on the NYE show or what!???? sure! |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 10:30am - anonymous ""] really? Joe? That would be awesome. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 10:32am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Yeah no problem. Having you guys on the bill would rule. |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 10:34am - anonymous ""] dude its on then. e-mail the line up to me sometime today at amoniarecords@gmail.com also Defeatist ex Anodyne/Kalibas might want to play. |
| __________________________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 10:38am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] anonymous said:Oh also, Nick P (taste of cigs): If you want to say anything to my face ever, maybe like the time you tried to appologize for borderline raping a friend of mine, I'm around. ben @ honeypump . net also ben if you want to discuss the fact that you tried to shutdown a show I did at MassArt back in 2000/2001 because I fooled around with your ex-girlfriend, feel free to email me fireandjail@yahoo.com I'm around as well. Thanks for never addressing that to my face, and also thanks for using mud-slinging as a way of trying to get the attention focused on how you run your business moved. |
| ________________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 10:40am - Joe/NotCommon ""] anonymous said:dude its on then. e-mail the line up to me sometime today at amoniarecords@gmail.com also Defeatist ex Anodyne/Kalibas might want to play. the email address didnt work Grief 12-12:45 Adolf Satan 11:15-11:45 Defcon4 10:30-11 Abhorred 9:45-10:15 Hirudinea 9-9:30 Dead God 8:15-8:45 some other band obriens got 7:30-8 doors at 7 |
| _____________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 10:48am - anonymous ""] Joe/NotCommon said:the email address didnt work I think he forgot an "m". |
| ____________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 2:33pm - anonymous ""] "...thanks for using mud-slinging as a way of trying to get the attention focused on how you run your business moved. " + I know neither of these people but, that doesn't even make sense. |
| _________________________________________________ [Dec 24,2005 3:02pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] anonymous said:"...thanks for using mud-slinging as a way of trying to get the attention focused on how you run your business moved. " + I know neither of these people but, that doesn't even make sense. "thanks for mud-slinging in order to take the attention off of the way you run your business." |
| ____________________________________ [Feb 14,2007 4:19am - Robin NLI ""] DEFCON 4 BANNED FROM OBRIEN'S |
| ______________________________________________ [Feb 14,2007 6:31am - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] Haha, this thread was so retarded. |
| _______________________________ [Feb 14,2007 8:21am - Troll ""] anonymous said: As for Helvete, even Ben said the kids responsible for all the shit talking about it being a white power night were ridiculous. I spoke to shred directly about it since there was a ton of rumors floating around. He said it was put on hold due to the NAFTA or whatever the fuck they're called anarchists "threatening a protest and problems if there were bands associated with white power movements playing there and that if the Helvete people promised to NOT include those bands, he'd have had no problem bringing it back. Mark Vieira On the note of the Helvete Night. WTF? That sounds like a great idea! I'd support that. Unfortunately, in my opinion Boston sucks and probably isn't the most productive place for such a thing"especially, due to naive and dangerous utopists like the formentioned "Anarchists/Activists" that would threaten such events. For the folks who pushed for this Helvete night. Don't compromise with some shitty club! Make your Helvete night happen somewhere else thats all and bring in whatever kind of bands with whatever views you want. Theres always some sucker willing to rent out venue or hall. Money talks right? Good luck! I leave our Leftist readers with this quote. "Anti-Racist Action is one of a growing number of self-styled vigilante groups who have cast themselves as the new Thought Police. When such groups encounter an artist or musician who they feel is expressing ideas that they don’t agree with, they see this as an occasion for stirring up trouble: they call-in bomb threats to venues, in an attempt to get shows cancelled, engage in slanderous smear campaigns, protest performances, threaten performers' lives, and so forth. The irony to this is that while groups such as ARA claim to oppose ‘Fascism’ and ‘intolerance’ they themselves are far more active when it comes to censorship and the silencing of dissonance, than those they attack." -Boyd Rice |