Ben Sisto is trying to control the entire club scene in Boston[views:31535][posts:159]________________________________________ [Oct 29,2005 10:24am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Through his position with great scotts as promotion director he has alot of say in that club's activity. He posted on the honeypump board that the new booking guy from Obriens, Martin Doyle, does not have email and that people can email him and he would pass the info on to Martin. He never mentioned you can just call Obriens to book a date there. He wants to have as much shit run through him as possible. Someone from The Pill (a night at great scotts) is now booking Bills Bar, which Ben Sisto seems pretty excited over. He must have or atleast think he will have influence there as well. His main thing is themed nights, which sucks because if wednesdays aren't metal night, and a metal band comes on tour and hits boston on a wednesday, then they are going to have trouble finding a show. Now he is planning another one of these retarded NEST showcase things for 2006, which ties up a shitload of venues for a week with all local bands, hopefully no touring bands want to play Boston that week. Ben Sisto and HoneyPump are bad for the music scene in Boston. |
| ______________________________________________________________________ [Oct 29,2005 11:32am - ryanfromhbbsi still isnt fucking logged in ""] lets kick his ass...seriously |
| ______________________________________________________________________ [Oct 29,2005 11:33am - ryanfromhbbsi still isnt fucking logged in ""] p.s. no im really not joking. lets beat the living shit outta him |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 29,2005 11:35am - anonymous ""] hes gay |
| _________________________________ [Oct 29,2005 12:13pm - shana ""] i think honeypump/great scott is gay. i was surprised that eyehategod and anal cunt actually played great scott. Ive been thrown out of that place like 3 times...place sucks. |
| _________________________________________________ [Oct 29,2005 1:21pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] The singer of Death Cab For Cutie said that he would need more than two hands to count the number of "indie" or small labels that have fucked over bands royally, and in his opinion it's far worse because it's so personal and small. Who cares if a big label fucks you over? It sucks but you expect it. But when the little guy comes in and starts gouging you, that's when it's really screwed up. Same thing here. There's a lot of kids in that scene and in other scenes that abuse the fucking shit out of power and position and we let it go because we think we're powerless or we think that they are little guys and it's ok. But it's not ok, it's worse than that even. I think Ben has done some really big achievements but I also think he is a powermonger, and he's not the only one on the list. |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 29,2005 5:16pm - anonymous ""] LOL |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 29,2005 5:19pm - anonymous ""] WIKKID GAY D00D! FUCKIN FAGS WITH DER FUCKIN FAG MUSIC RIGHT BRO?? FAG SHIT FOR FAGS!! FUCK A FAG UP! BEN SISTO'S A FAG!! LETS FUCKIN LIKE HOG-TIE HIM N FUCKIN DRAG HIM ACROSS 5 MILES OF PAVEMENT!! FUCKIN STREET JUSTICE FOR ALL FAGS!! I HATE FAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| ____________________________________ [Oct 29,2005 6:19pm - anonymous ""] yeah ben sisto definitely is a powermonger and he doesn't keep the door open for other bands that aren't part of his stupid scene |
| _________________________________________________ [Oct 29,2005 8:51pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] To be frank, a lot of people run to him to do their DIY work but how is that DIY? Should be "Do-It-Vicariously-Through-Others" |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 29,2005 9:13pm - the_reverend ""] weird... last I checked, ben was just bringing tons of really good shows to mass that wouldn't happen otherwise. my bad |
| _____________________________________________ [Oct 29,2005 9:14pm - apocalyptic hammer ""] the_reverend said:weird... last I checked, ben was just bringing tons of really good shows to mass that wouldn't happen otherwise. my bad this is fuckin stupid joe |
| ______________________________________ [Oct 29,2005 9:18pm - the_reverend ""] ok... if I was joking, then tell me the last person that did a khanate show in boston? |
| __________________________________________________ [Oct 29,2005 10:47pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] the_reverend said:ok... if I was joking, then tell me the last person that did a khanate show in boston? I don't think it's an issue with if he is bringing good entertainment. In fact, I'd go on record as saying I have a lot of respect for what Ben's been able to do in this town. I do. I remember how he got MassArt going and how he's opened up pathways for a lot of new venues and given some life to things that needed it. In that respect, frankly, I think he deserves a lot more credit then he is given, and I don't mind saying that. But what's in question isn't his abilities or even his intellect to make shit happen. What's in question is his ethics and how he applies them. Joe's got a point, he's abused power several times in a public, open way and I think for that you can't just whisk away the issue of power, influence, and responsibility over simple issues of taste. |
| __________________________________________________ [Oct 29,2005 10:49pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] Also, from a promoter's standpoint, it's not always whether you get the show booked or not. It's whether shows are offered to you. There's a better chance that whoever books for Khanate got in touch with Ben because he works for Great Scott and offered him the package rather than he sought them out, put his hopes and dreams on the line, and then paid out the anus for advertising just to get Khanate. Methinks it was something he was offered and thought he could promote well. Was it even him that was the promoter, or did he just secure the venue? |
| ________________________________ [Oct 29,2005 10:53pm - eddie ""] i don't know why i looked in this thread, i have no idea whtqas going on, but it's better than homework |
| _______________________________________________ [Oct 30,2005 9:29pm - COLDNORTHERNVENGEANCE ""] This is the guy that had Helvete night shut down.............. |
| __________________________________________ [Oct 30,2005 9:30pm - BestialOnslaught ""] I don't think he had anything to do with that. |
| _______________________________________________ [Oct 30,2005 9:31pm - COLDNORTHERNVENGEANCE ""] I heard differently on that one............Let's just say from a reliable source. |
| _____________________________________ [Oct 30,2005 9:37pm - shrapnel ! ""] this thread still isnt as good as the tyag breaking up thread or the Nickttos thinking they had mindcontrol over their instruments. but go on about your thread, may it get better. |
| __________________________________ [Oct 31,2005 5:52am - Cathach ""] My dealings with Ben have been purely as an accquaintance, never in buisiness.As far as I know he put in a good word for HELVETE but seeing as we're talking about the 'allston white belt mafia' anything is possible.Take it form someone who knows firsthand though; innocent until proven guilty.WOTAN MIT UNSl |
| _______________________________________ [Oct 31,2005 6:49am - Joe/NotCommon ""] I was told Ben Sisto was friendly with and helped spread word about Helvete being white power to get it shut down. If thats not true I feel bad because I told a few people that after hearing it myself. |
| __________________________________ [Oct 31,2005 8:40am - Cathach ""] Like I said anythings possible.It's easy to talk shit if you're a coward and even easier to act like a friend when confronted.Hey Ben, prove me wrong.WOTAN MIT UNS |
| _________________________________________________ [Oct 31,2005 9:25am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] I think the main thing is this thread shouldn't be about shit talking this one guy because that's just crap. Ben isn't a bad dude, and like I said, he's actually a very intelligent and capable guy. The issue is: Is he using the resources and connections he's acquired ethicallly or not? Is he performing nepotism or is he being egalitatian? |
| _________________________________________________ [Oct 31,2005 9:41am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] or rather, the better question is...Is there any reason to be concerned about this kind of thing? Does a booking monopoly affect anyone? |
| __________________________________ [Oct 31,2005 9:43am - madgrad ""] INTELLICORE! |
| ___________________________________ [Nov 6,2005 1:55am - anonymous ""] Ben Sisto ruined MassArt shows, especially the room in North and turned it into a haven for his stupid indierock faggot squad |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 6,2005 2:18am - SickSickSicks ""] the_taste_of_cigarettes said:I think the main thing is this thread shouldn't be about shit talking this one guy because that's just crap. Ben isn't a bad dude, and like I said, he's actually a very intelligent and capable guy. The issue is: Is he using the resources and connections he's acquired ethicallly or not? Is he performing nepotism or is he being egalitatian? nepofezegaliwhuh????? |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 6,2005 1:50pm - George nli ""] http://board.honeypump.net/t.php?id=23597&r=3 |
| ________________________________________________ [Nov 6,2005 2:04pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] pff you must be joking george if you really expect me to believe you are "building bridges" |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 6,2005 2:22pm - BestialOnslaught ""] Hey Nick, why can't you post on hp again? Please refresh my memory! |
| ________________________________________________ [Nov 6,2005 2:24pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] hey alex, remember when you made that totally sweet thread about missing your ex-girlfriend? awww, why didn't you repost that here? |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 6,2005 2:29pm - George nli ""] i'm having fun on the internet, leave me alone |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 6,2005 2:30pm - George nli ""] i thought it was a funny thing to say... |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 13,2005 4:34pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] JoeNotCommon - 09/29/05 at 11:37 am (24.147.65.122) [img] ben - 11/13/05 at 03:38 pm (63.164.145.198) this is bullshit. what if a super last minute touring band needed help? you are hogging up an entire venue for a full night? this is bullshit. |
| ________________________________________________ [Nov 13,2005 4:39pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] haha i love this guy, no idea who he is..or what he's trying to do but anyone who describes a band asa super last minute touring band. is a ok in my book. he sounds like he needs a hug |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 13,2005 4:43pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] Ben Sisto www.honeypump.net MassArt Graduate, worked with Eventworks to make it what it is today. Ben Sisto founded the Punk Rock Flea Markey, Nest, and pioneered music nights at Great Scott and The Milky Way in JP. Ben also used to work with the X-Haus when they were around. Probably more than any other person in recenty memory, Ben has managed to make a popular indie rock community in Boston and some of it's suburbs, as well as giving a graphic, visual concept to the movement through his art. Sisto is a capable, powerful person in the face of business. It is important to note that he is accomplished and has forged paths on his own and of his own accord. The main issue is, now that he has power, is he using it correctly? My answer is no, and my experiences, for me, provide much fact to this. But if it's a question of is the guy talented at what he does? Then very much he is. |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 13,2005 4:45pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] I think ben is a great example of taking a product or service, slapping the word "DIY" on it and selling it off just like any other business, knowing those three little letters will make it seem like an ethical choice. I don't believe that all of his choices are DIY, ethical, or for the pursuit of small, publically responsible business. No one can make all great choices, but Ben knows the difference between right and wrong and I've seen him choose wrong sometimes. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 13,2005 5:15pm - the_reverend ""] and I've seen you choose wrong to. I mean look at 1/2 your shirt choices in my photos. A#1 thriftstore rejects. there is no salvation for your army. |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 13,2005 5:19pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] touche |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 13,2005 5:23pm - the_reverend ""] his bio sounds like carinas. did you write it? |
| _________________________________________________ [Nov 13,2005 5:29pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] I helped Carina with hers and I just made this one for Ben Sisto off the top of my head. I've known him / known of him / etc for like 5 years now. |
| ________________________________________________ [Nov 13,2005 5:42pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] [img] take that boston's music scene, haha just joshin' yah im bored |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 13,2005 5:50pm - the_reverend ""] I don't understand that post at all. |
| ________________________________________________ [Nov 13,2005 5:52pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] the_reverend said:I don't understand that post at all. nothing to see here, move along....move along. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 13,2005 7:15pm - anonymous ""] Ok, so you guys have made your opinion of Ben Sisto clear in a public forum, obviously with the intention of warning people who may deal with him or may be affected by his business practices. Now, can you back any of this up with examples of how his business practices have had a negative effect on any "scene" in the Greater Boston area? And by examples I mean actual facts, not vague statements like " No one can make all great choices, but Ben knows the difference between right and wrong and I've seen him choose wrong sometimes." Well, what happened? When did he "choose wrong"? I'm genuinely curious. |
| ________________________________________________ [Nov 13,2005 7:17pm - whiskey_weed_and_women ""] duh duh duh duuuuuuuuh and now the thread takes a serious step, of actual facts verus fiction. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 13,2005 7:42pm - retzam ""] Hmmm... Sisto huh? I think his brother was in my brother's band 3 or 4 years ago. |
| ____________________________________ [Nov 13,2005 9:55pm - anonymous ""] ... |
| __________________________________________________ [Nov 13,2005 10:35pm - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] anonymous said:Ok, so you guys have made your opinion of Ben Sisto clear in a public forum, obviously with the intention of warning people who may deal with him or may be affected by his business practices. Now, can you back any of this up with examples of how his business practices have had a negative effect on any "scene" in the Greater Boston area? And by examples I mean actual facts, not vague statements like " No one can make all great choices, but Ben knows the difference between right and wrong and I've seen him choose wrong sometimes." Well, what happened? When did he "choose wrong"? I'm genuinely curious. read some of the links here: http://www.returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=23202 I don't think the issue lies with ben specifically, as I said somewhere before. I think the issue lies with the fact that with great power comes great responsibility, and I think he has misused that power what with his club nights and other things. The real issue, anon, is that I don't want this to be shit-on-sisto cause he is NOT a bad dude. But I want people to discuss what is desirable and undesirable and ways of resolving that which we don't desire and/or making the desirable come into focus more. |