ladies and gentlemen its official.... 4 more years of Bush[views:31383][posts:153]_______________________________ [Nov 3,2004 10:39pm - eddie ""] i'm making bets that i'll still be living in 4 years, so far my dads got $20 against me. anyone else want in on this? |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 3,2004 10:47pm - KeithMutiny ""] im pretty close to signing up for the marines before i get drafted.... ps- bush sucks, shave it |
| __________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 6:23am - ArrowHead ""] ArrowHead said:http://homepage.mac.com/njenson/movies/bushuncensored.html I can't believe no one has any comments about this. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 8:19am - Joe/NotCommon ""] Josh_Martin said:Yeah, at least maybe hardcore will get good again. I doubt it though. haha |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 10:31am - RustedAngel ""] [img] |
| _______________________________ [Nov 4,2004 10:46am - dan. ""] yeah actually, now that you mention it, bush isnt that bad. see you guys at church! hooray for theocracies! |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 11:05am - crotchjuice ""] RustedAngel said:[img] HAHAHAHA. I didnt know Buhs was running. |
| _______________________________ [Nov 4,2004 12:02pm - dan. ""] dear mydyingbride, everything youve said in this thread is bullshit. 'it doesnt affect you' is a really great argument. how the fuck does the policies of the administration that runs the country not affect the people who live in that country? maybe im not following. i mean, i dont make 100k+ a year, so i guess tax breaks dont affect me. you are right. id also like to point out, linking someone to the patriot act and then asking them to 'take a look' is the same as telling someone who has a limited vocabulary to read the dictionary. and your commentary on WWII and Vietnam is priceless. |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 12:04pm - the_reverend ""] if the economy didn't go into the shitter with bush, I would be making about $120K right now... let's just say, now, I'll have to work multiple years to make that. |
| _______________________________ [Nov 4,2004 12:08pm - dan. ""] well i guess that means you wont get up to 319k, which is ashame because if you did....youd win another tax break!! |
| ______________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 12:23pm - the_reverend ""] if I made $319K, I would own 2 or 3 D2H's instead of 1 D100 and 1 D70... hell, my $$ right now goes for (in order) 1) my new mortgage 2) this site (server) 3) heat/electricity 4) gas for my car 5) food/movies/camera equipment 6) savings in just about that order.. heck, if I made another $1K more per year, I would by a new camera... though right now, my car has 212K miles on it and the registration/inspection runs out wednesday. i need to either get a new car, but I think I'm going to get my car inspected just to see if it actually would pass. |
| _________________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 6:22pm - dirtycrayon nli ""] [img] [img] [img] |
| _________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 6:37pm - Kalopsia ""] the_reverend said:if the economy didn't go into the shitter with bush, I would be making about $120K right now... let's just say, now, I'll have to work multiple years to make that. 120 years to be exact, but who's counting? |
| ________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 6:45pm - tbone_r ""] alaska didnt pass the weed bill |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 6:59pm - My_Dying_Bride ""] dan. said:dear mydyingbride, everything youve said in this thread is bullshit. 'it doesnt affect you' is a really great argument. how the fuck does the policies of the administration that runs the country not affect the people who live in that country? maybe im not following. i mean, i dont make 100k+ a year, so i guess tax breaks dont affect me. you are right. id also like to point out, linking someone to the patriot act and then asking them to 'take a look' is the same as telling someone who has a limited vocabulary to read the dictionary. and your commentary on WWII and Vietnam is priceless. dear dan., first off i would like to thank you for that enlightenment, although youve proved noting, thank you anyways. i was simply trying to point out that everyone is taking this as the end of the world, which it is clearly not. i thought that it would be the end of the world to if bush beat gore back in 2000 but i was over it by nov 4. most of the people on this board that are saying its over or the end has come but come on, its not the fucking apocalypse! and if kerry had one yes maybe the tax breaks would show up and the economy a little better, but nothing dramatic. i would certainly keep taxes the way they are because to decrease taxes would decrease funding for schools, state operations, etc. i would much rather have to pay a bit more in taxes than have shitty public shools and expensive health care. also about the patriot act, i didnt feel it was nessecary to list all the positive parts of the patriot act, so instead i linked to a page with the hard facts. and for the facts on wwII and nam, i admit i was a while since history class, but please tell me what was false about that information and finally tell me why, at this point in time, john kerry would be able to handle this situation better than mr. bush |
| ________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 7:12pm - tbone_r ""] he wouldnt have a)lost so many jobs b)invaded an innocent (or at least not proven guilty) country c)cut taxes for the rich and this isn't the end of the world. just the beginning of the end...of america (at least). ps http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/m/p/mpm265/election.htm |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 7:19pm - My_Dying_Bride ""] a) did he lose your job? b)domination c)hes a republican, a majority of republicans are rich or above avg. working class ps thats a cute site... some more coincidence http://www.snopes.com/history/american/linckenn.htm |
| _________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 8:22pm - niccolai ""] Job pay has increased by 6 percent since 1970, rents and other expenses have increased dozens. How many of those years was bush in power for? how many democrats were? If you put some one in power who creates 200,000 jobs and than lets 205,000 immigrants in the country, guess what happens. Iraq was guilty as syn, they weren't proven guilty of having nukes, but it's not like they didn't do anything, it is a good strong start to develop a strong nation in the middle east to wipe out the forces of evil. People didn't bitch all that much when Clinton invaded Iraq and sweep it under the rug 4 times. Republicans are rich beyond immagination, but trust me, liberals like Moore, Cobb, Nader, and kerry who damn republicans for not distributing thier money like communists aren't by any means eating out of trashcans, they are on the same level. I don't understand many pro kerry arguements. More jobs + more immigrants than jobs = bad idea free health care for the poor thats heavily funded from taxes = lets just see how expensive free healthcare is Saying you'd do a better job in Iraq when Bush has a 50 year plan for it and you haven't decided on plans yet because your not sure what more voters want to hear = braindead Kerry supports stemcells slightly more... and planned to fund them with taxes so I guess he had that going for him kindof. fuck it, they both sucked, I voted Klemmensen. |
| _______________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 8:28pm - My_Dying_Bride ""] thank you |
| __________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 8:48pm - ArrowHead ""] ArrowHead said:ArrowHead said:http://homepage.mac.com/njenson/movies/bushuncensored.html I can't believe no one has any comments about this. http://homepage.mac.com/njenson/movies/bushuncensored.html I REALLY can't believe no one has ANY comments about this! |
| _________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 8:53pm - powerkok ""] thats old footage, before he was pres. and I think all it does is shows people that hes just a person, like anybody else. |
| _________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 9:23pm - Kalopsia ""] kerry didn't say he would lower our taxes i recall. he said he would tax the people who can afford to pay a little more tax, i.e. rich people. bush has a 50 year plan for iraq????? half of america doesn't want a 50 minute plan with iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! kerry said he wants to make healthcare more affordable, not free!!!! if you're gonna counter an argument, don't exaggerate the facts. we were told we were going into iraq for a specific reason (which we all know was not the reason to begin with.) and then when that reason backfired (no WMD's found) bush still claims he did nothing wrong at all. over 100,000 iraqi civilians dead. over 1,000 U.S. troops dead. a country is in total shambles and chaos. all for the capture of one man. and bush has the balls to say that everything's fine? |
| ______________________________ [Nov 4,2004 9:31pm - dan. ""] i didnt say kerry would be better, i think hes a fucking tool. he supported 95% of the patriot act and wanted to strengthen the other 5%. he never made any actual claims to why he would be a good president besides affectively saying 'ill do better'. i was just bein a dick though. |
| ______________________________ [Nov 4,2004 9:33pm - dan. ""] and that video isnt really that big of a deal..if you recall the vice president told a senator (house rep?) to fuck himself on the floor |
| __________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 10:03pm - niccolai ""] Kalopsia said:kerry didn't say he would lower our taxes i recall. he said he would tax the people who can afford to pay a little more tax, i.e. rich people. bush has a 50 year plan for iraq????? half of america doesn't want a 50 minute plan with iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! kerry said he wants to make healthcare more affordable, not free!!!! if you're gonna counter an argument, don't exaggerate the facts. we were told we were going into iraq for a specific reason (which we all know was not the reason to begin with.) and then when that reason backfired (no WMD's found) bush still claims he did nothing wrong at all. over 100,000 iraqi civilians dead. over 1,000 U.S. troops dead. a country is in total shambles and chaos. all for the capture of one man. and bush has the balls to say that everything's fine? Kerry wants to make health care available to everyone, some people can't afford healthcare, so they get free healthcare programs wich costs big money. I simplified the fact, i wouldn't say I exagerated it. Before WMD were even brought up, people supported invading any country harboring terrorists, they didn't care about WMD. After people started dieing and oil prices went up, than people started finding ways to slander Bush as if they didn't support invasion, if the people support a president to invade a country and don't know that Iraq hasn't had any controll over thier own air or ground space in almost thirty years, it's thier fault for supporting something misinformed. 1000 troops dead is a god damn mirracle. during okanawa(I believe) 500 died every hour on average. we'd probably have less casualties and have caught Saddam months earlier if people showed more support for destroying evil instead of listening to punk rock, hating the government, and clouding and distorting themselves from watching micheal moore. People slander Bush out of habbit it seems, I'm willing to bet that if WMD were found, Kerry and his stupid nigger slave Sharpton would be slandering him for not already invading Iran. |
| _________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 10:14pm - tbone_r ""] you can't unjustly invade countries. america is not the worlds police (believe it or not), they had the right to go into afghanistan and search for osama, but until they can better prove Saddam's connection with 9/11 or wmd's, they have no right to be in iraq. it's not about hating the government, it's about trying to right some wrongs. It's easy to bash bush because he's such an idiot and his adminitstrations actions are so corrupt. |
| _________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 10:21pm - tbone_r ""] mdb.. a)no, he didn't lose my job...i'm a student. but i did see a bunch of teachers in my old highschool lose theirs. and i have seen a lot of people in my country lose theirs...why does it matter whether or not it's my job or somebody elses? lost jobs are lost jobs b)domination? are we resorting back to imperialism? i know correlation doesnt prove causation, but i think your site isn't as prevelant in my case as you think. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 10:22pm - niccolai ""] Your sortof missing my point. Up until a year after 9/11 the American people supported Bush invading any nation harboring terrorists. Bottom line. People changed thier minds after so what can Bush do? pull out after bulldozing a nation? I don't argue the he is brilliant, but I think people underestimate him. He's not the neandrethal the daily show makes him out to be. I definately think he knows what Iraq needs to become successful the same way Germany did and I think he can shape Iraq into that ideal better than Kerry. |
| _________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 10:30pm - tbone_r ""] was there proof that Iraq was harboring terrorists? i also think that iraq would have been better off w/ kerry in office because, if kerry played his cards right, the rest of the world would have rallied behind him to help. no one wants to help bush. he's an ass and a liar. if kerry admitted that a mistake was made then maybe the world would have chipped in to fix the huge mess over in Iraq. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 4,2004 10:43pm - niccolai ""] tbone_r said:was there proof that Iraq was harboring terrorists? Was Saddam not a terrorist himself? Did he not order the destruction and inflict terror into select groups? Is Abu Musab al-Zarqawi who, even before we invaded Iraq for the war on terror carried out ritualistic beheadings of US soldiers, a terrorist? Did Iraq not declare war against the US even before the war on terror and order termination of US soldiers on sight? The US just didn't comply. Your arguement that Kerry would have more allied support is a good one, chances are he would have gained more support. Although the allies he would have gained, like France, are questionably corrupt like Bush is. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 5,2004 12:31am - Kalopsia ""] niccolai said:Your sortof missing my point. Up until a year after 9/11 the American people supported Bush invading any nation harboring terrorists. Iraq is not a terrorist regime, it's an enemy nation. there IS a difference now Afghanistan harbored terrorist regimes. THERE'S the difference |
| __________________________________ [Nov 5,2004 12:43am - Kalopsia ""] niccolai said:tbone_r said:was there proof that Iraq was harboring terrorists? Was Saddam not a terrorist himself? Did he not order the destruction and inflict terror into select groups? Is Abu Musab al-Zarqawi who, even before we invaded Iraq for the war on terror carried out ritualistic beheadings of US soldiers, a terrorist? Did Iraq not declare war against the US even before the war on terror and order termination of US soldiers on sight? The US just didn't comply. Your arguement that Kerry would have more allied support is a good one, chances are he would have gained more support. Although the allies he would have gained, like France, are questionably corrupt like Bush is. no saddam is/was not a terrorist. he was a dictator. he inflicted fear upon his people, much like what bush is doing to the american people, except saddam is just being a little more extreme. name one country that declares war on another, and then doesn't follow up with an invasion/bombing/ect. (remember, the 9/11 commission concluded that saddam had nothing to do with 9/11, so don't bother trying to use it) and any support would have been better than the little we had. |
| ________________________________ [Nov 5,2004 9:19am - Soloman ""] Saddam "inflicted fear on his people, much like bush... just being a little more extreme." I don't understand this. Child prisons, torture chambers, and making unwanted people disappear is only a little more extreme than bush? Yeah "much like what saddam is doing". It's easy not to care when some is fucking there own. The moment someone invades another country is when people get all flustered. But killing someone's own people? Eh who cares. The PR behind the war, and Bush's attitude don't help unify the nation behind his foriegn policy. I think if media was at 1940's level, Bush would be considered an amazing president. In today's day and age, he just looks like an idiot which is too bad. He should work on his image, but i think where he stands, we are better off with him as president than Kerry. Kerry tried hard to get people to like him, but i don't think he stood for anything. THE MIDDLE CLASS bwa ha ha ha! Yeah I didn't buy that one bit. He offered me nothing, aside from criticisms I already had of bush. So for me personally I had no reason to vote for him. People seem to hate bush first, and then find reasons to criticize. I dunno. We'll see what happens. |
| _____________________________________________ [Nov 5,2004 9:42am - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] I'd rather have Saddam controlling the people he considered unsavory through brutality than allow Iraq to fall into the hands of random extremist Cleric Shimbamalama Muqadaria. |
| ______________________________ [Nov 5,2004 9:50am - dan. ""] JESUS CHRIST. what part about war without just cause do you not understand? you cant invade a country for 1 reason against the will of the entire world (oops i forgot poland!) and then when that reason proves false, fall back on "well saddam was bad and since hes out of power the world is a safer place". WOW I FEEL SAFER! thats bullshit. if you think removing saddam from power means anything, you are so completely fucked in the head theres no point in even discussing it further. allah akbah |
| _________________________________ [Nov 5,2004 10:37am - Soloman ""] I do think removing Saddam from power means something. Is it your opinion that it's insignificant? I can understand people saying it's not worth the cost of war, or that it's not our war to fight. That's debatable. But do you really think removing Saddam from power means nothing at all? |
| __________________________________ [Nov 5,2004 10:45am - litacore ""] I just wish that we'd learn a lesson from our HARDCORE support of Saddam during his War with Iran. And our support of Osama Bin Laden during the War with the Soviets in Afghanistan. I wonder which ally will fuck us first: Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, or Israel. |
| _________________________________ [Nov 5,2004 10:48am - Soloman ""] my vote is the Saudis |
| _________________________________ [Nov 5,2004 10:50am - Soloman ""] or the UK. |
| _______________________________ [Nov 5,2004 10:52am - dan. ""] no, it doesnt mean anything. i mean...the point of removing saddam was to improve the life of the iraqis right? because he didnt pose a viable threat? and did we do that? no. so it means nothing. i cant really go into it further, but if anything we should be in the sudan right now. but moreso, we should be taking care of the people in our own country. instead of SPENDING MORE MONEY ON A WAR THAT WILL NEVER END |
| __________________________________ [Nov 5,2004 10:56am - litacore ""] now, the likelihood of Saudi Arabia OVERTLY attacking us is pretty low the ruling class just want to keep the Dynasty goin', they don't hate America, we bankroll most of their shit the radical elements are just as much a threat to the House of Saud |
| __________________________________ [Nov 5,2004 10:57am - litacore ""] Musharraf and Karzai and Allawi have been VERY fortunate in avoiding assassination. So far. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 5,2004 10:57am - litacore ""] and ISRAEL never listens to us when we say, "um,,,cut the shit" |
| __________________________________ [Nov 5,2004 11:01am - litacore ""] I like how Bush was so unconcerned with foreign policy in the months leading up to 9/11 Apart from the Middle East, we've got some continuing sass on the way from North Korea. so... whatever, Bush go ahead and destroy the separation between Church and State but PAY MORE ATTENTION TO THE WORLD AROUND YA. Chrissakes. |
| _______________________________ [Nov 5,2004 11:03am - dan. ""] he was busy...vacationing. ive read all those reports about how 9/11 was staged and all...but i dont believe it because it forced the president to actually work. he spent more time vacationing in the time leading up to 9/11 than bill clinton did during his first 4 years. amazing. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 5,2004 11:08am - litacore ""] hey, this is hard work. He said so. |
| _________________________________ [Nov 5,2004 11:12am - Soloman ""] The War in Iraq did end and now we're occupiers. One of Bush's biggest mistakes was his expectation that establishing a secure government there would be easy. But I still think it's very possible. Kerry's thinking was, "I need to bring the troops home, so we need to establish a secure Iraq." To me that is backwards. Bush has made mistakes, and that pisses me off, but I think the world is better off with him than Kerry. |
| _____________________________________ [Nov 5,2004 12:16pm - Josh_Martin ""] Any american who is not a fundamentalist right wing christian is far worse off with Bush in office. I don't give a fuck what happens in Iraq. At first I thought it was just a distraction to keep dumbasses from noticing that the U.S. is well on its way to being a theocracy. After the election though, I can't believe how many americans are totally fine with the religious right deciding what we can and cannot do. No wonder the rest of the world thinks americans are idiots. It really sucks that I have to be in the same country as these backwards Jesus freaks. The U.S is too big. |
| _______________________________ [Nov 5,2004 12:26pm - dan. ""] dude, the war is in no way over. |
| __________________________________ [Nov 5,2004 12:33pm - powerkok ""] no shit, were preparing for a full scale urban assault on Fallujah right this very second. |