Trivium's Matt Heafy reveals new EXTREME BLACK METAL project[views:44596][posts:148]________________________________ [Aug 15,2012 9:00pm - Burnsy ""] Hans%20Moleman said:I was saying 'poser faggot.' ahhhh I see what you did. |
| ________________________________ [Aug 15,2012 9:07pm - Burnsy ""] Uh said: Not believing in magick is like not believing in math. Oh. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 15,2012 9:15pm - chernobyl ""] I doubt it is the same number. I'm sure you could just message him on facebook and pretend you need his number for something important. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 15,2012 10:12pm - Alx_Casket ""] I'm still at practice but i took asecond to come here and see exactly what i expected: aril posting tl;dr and quoting me out of context. Biggest troll in the multiverse, biggest bully on rttp, and a charlatan who dances like a j/k oompa loompa when you call him on his bullshit. |
| _____________________________ [Aug 15,2012 10:13pm - Uh ""] Burnsy said: Uh said: Not believing in magick is like not believing in math. Oh. Kay. Math is gay anyways. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 15,2012 10:18pm - arilliusbm ""] [QUOTE="Alx_Casket:1317463" - -aril posting tl;dr and quoting me out of context. - Biggest troll in the multiverse, biggest bully on rttp, -charlatan who dances like a j/k oompa loompa when you call him on his bullshit -I love how you said you agreed, then went off on a tanget with your own ego. Discussion is made when simple statements are projected. U mad bro? -wah wah wah, cry me a river. -You don't call anything out other than your point of view, which apparently is fact and that's why everyone loves you in the local music scene. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 15,2012 10:23pm - arilliusbm ""] Every once in a while one of these threads come along where people ruffle feathers and strike up good points. What's wrong? No body likes reading this shit? Board sucks guys, let's get real. I'mma keep on aril'ing all you queerbags, no care. |
| _________________________________ [Aug 15,2012 10:43pm - Burnsy ""] Good thread. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 15,2012 10:58pm - arilliusbm ""] Alex can call me out all he wants. He's probably right, it doesn't matter. I'm done arguing/fake arguing with him. This 2012 year is important.. pressing matters are needed in 2439AD and the machine is going to leave soon. Morals of this thread: Heafy Sux Occult and Satan: Bands either sing about it or don't. Heafy's number: not a good number anymore bullshit arguments with circular logic: rttps discussion fodder. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 15,2012 11:12pm - Alx_Casket ""] arilliusbm said:Every once in a while one of these threads come along where people ruffle feathers and strike up good points. What's wrong? No body likes reading this shit? Board sucks guys, let's get real. I'mma keep on aril'ing all you queerbags, no care. Still waiting on good points to arise from the aril method of discussion. Moral of this thread: Spence makes better threads than aril. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 15,2012 11:14pm - posbleak ""] Sometimes Satanic and occult imagery in art is just cool to look at or talk about and people want to use it because it's cool |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 15,2012 11:16pm - posbleak ""] Whoops Carine Roitfeld does not literally worship Satan, let's throw away Sacrément Inspirée |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 15,2012 11:21pm - arilliusbm ""] Alx_Casket said: Moral of this thread: Spence makes better threads than aril. Obviously. Why else would I help bring him here to register and post. One step ahead of you, chap. |
| _________________________________ [Aug 15,2012 11:31pm - Burnsy ""] True moral of the story: Aril likes colons and lists. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 15,2012 11:33pm - arilliusbm ""] they're the best. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 15,2012 11:36pm - arilliusbm ""] Burnsy said:colons [img] |
| _________________________________ [Aug 15,2012 11:39pm - Burnsy ""] The joke: you got it. ;-) |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 1:39am - Nightmare ""] arilliusbm said:Alex can call me out all he wants. He's probably right, it doesn't matter. I'm done arguing/fake arguing with him. This 2012 year is important.. pressing matters are needed in 2439AD and the machine is going to leave soon. Morals of this thread: Heafy Sux Occult and Satan: Bands either sing about it or don't. Heafy's number: not a good number anymore bullshit arguments with circular logic: rttps discussion fodder. Why did you have his number anyway? Were you a fan? |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 6:24am - arilliusbm ""] I mwt him at NEMF in 2001. He flew up from Florida and handed out bisiness cards for his new band. |
| ______________________________ [Aug 16,2012 8:25am - Yeti ""] thank you all for reminding me why I feel so reverently about the old ways. listen to Bathory and lament what a person like Quorthon believed in. thankfully he is dead and doesn't have to witness this tomfoolery. |
| ________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 9:34am - Burnsy ""] posbleak said:Whoops Carine Roitfeld does not literally worship Satan, let's throw away Sacrément Inspirée I have no idea what this is but I understand your point. Satanic imagery can most definitely be cool to look at. When it comes to bands though, doing something to look cool or be seen as cool is not something I respect. My personal opinions about the nature of existance aside, I feel like a band that has lyrics about satanism and believes in the philosophy has much more artistic integrity than a band that sings about satanic themes to be edgy or cool. The only exception I can think of is if the band is using satanic themes satirically. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 9:35am - arilliusbm ""] Thank you, Burns. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 9:46am - Chernobyl ""] arilliusbm said:let's get real. I'mma keep on ARIL'ING all you queerbags, no care. THIS. SO COLD! |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 9:49am - Chernobyl ""] ***wrong edit |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 9:51am - dreadkill ""] arilliusbm said:I myself prefer Escapism and fantasy and human emotion as lyrical content. Fantasy as lyrical content is non-hipster. Human emotion as lyrical content is hipster. Conservationist's head is going to explode. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 9:55am - Chernobyl ""] Yeti said:thank you all for reminding me why I feel so reverently about the old ways. listen to Bathory and lament what a person like Quorthon believed in. thankfully he is dead and doesn't have to witness this tomfoolery. The old ways...What about ICP, bro? You like them right? |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 9:57am - dreadkill ""] Say what you like about the tenets of Aril, Dude, at least it's an ethos. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 9:59am - arilliusbm ""] dreadkill said: Conservationist's head is going to explode. Lol'd and yup. I do love me some philisophical lyrics, though. |
| _______________________________ [Aug 16,2012 10:31am - Yeti ""] Chernobyl said: Yeti said:thank you all for reminding me why I feel so reverently about the old ways. listen to Bathory and lament what a person like Quorthon believed in. thankfully he is dead and doesn't have to witness this tomfoolery. The old ways...What about ICP, bro? You like them right? the same sentiment goes for them. only ICP from 1990 - 97 is real. |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 10:38am - AndrewBastard ""] Aril'in Mutha Fucking Bouncers 6'2" |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 10:41am - posbleak ""] Burnsy said: posbleak said:Whoops Carine Roitfeld does not literally worship Satan, let's throw away Sacrément Inspirée I have no idea what this is but I understand your point. Satanic imagery can most definitely be cool to look at. When it comes to bands though, doing something to look cool or be seen as cool is not something I respect. My personal opinions about the nature of existance aside, I feel like a band that has lyrics about satanism and believes in the philosophy has much more artistic integrity than a band that sings about satanic themes to be edgy or cool. The only exception I can think of is if the band is using satanic themes satirically. How about a better example? Lars von Trier is not a Satanist nor is he a Christian, but I wouldn't write off the merits or integrity of Antichrist because of that. Roman Polanski is not a Satanist nor is he a Christian, yet Rosemary's Baby still holds up. I guess "looks cool" was oversimplifying it but you can definitely explore those themes with plenty of integrity even if you don't personally subscribe to those beliefs. |
| ______________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 10:47am - trioxin_245 ""] Why is a thread about a guy from TRIVIUM so fucking long? is there really nothing better to talk about people? |
| ____________________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 10:48am - FuckIsMySignature ""] trioxin_245 said:is there really nothing better to talk about people? yes. |
| _________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 10:50am - Burnsy ""] I can't speak intelligently about any of these examples you're throwing out there haha. And I respect your opinion so I'm not just gonna talk out of my ass. You can speak intelligently on a topic without believing in it obviously. The way this topic got brought up is how bands that use occult/satanic themes use them to seem dark, evil and edgy. Is the position you've taken indicative of you supporting this behavior from musicians? I find it hard to believe you do. Maybe as a musician, I take the medium too seriously. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 10:52am - arilliusbm ""] Themes in literature and movies are not the same when metal bands profess their love for Satan and don't follow through, IMO. If that is the case, Dante would be the ultimate Satanist. Different outputs, different audiences, different eras, different everything. No one is stating bands can't do it. It's just silly. All valid points, but not comparable. |
| _________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 10:56am - Burnsy ""] trioxin_245 said:Why is a thread about a guy from TRIVIUM so fucking long? is there really nothing better to talk about people? No one's talking about Trivium, man. Thread took a tangent for the better in my opinion. Good discussion is good. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 11:14am - posbleak ""] Burnsy said:I can't speak intelligently about any of these examples you're throwing out there haha. And I respect your opinion so I'm not just gonna talk out of my ass. You can speak intelligently on a topic without believing in it obviously. The way this topic got brought up is how bands that use occult/satanic themes use them to seem dark, evil and edgy. Is the position you've taken indicative of you supporting this behavior from musicians? I find it hard to believe you do. Maybe as a musician, I take the medium too seriously. Yeah, I'm no musician, so there's absolutely a disconnect. (You should definitely watch Rosemary's Baby, though, it's awesome.) Was going to use Alice Cooper as an example but he's a bad one since his lyrical content is less "hail Satan!" and more "beware of Satan, he's a total jagoff" To some people, myself included, Satanism in metal is a lot like hedonism in glam rock. It's part of the show and part of the aesthetic and a big part of the performance ~experience~ but we all know that the musicians still go home to their relatively normal lives and probably aren't sacrificing goats in the backyard or having gigantic pansexual glitter orgies every night. I definitely think that actual practicing pagans or Satanists will have more depth to add to the conversation and should be considered and heard when others are using their symbolism. Outsiders co-opting symbolism and rituals from other faiths and cultures is cultural appropriation, after all... |
| _______________________________ [Aug 16,2012 11:46am - ark ""] beliefs warp with perspective. to believe is not to know. using occult themes in art as a vehicle for people to explore, sense, challenge their perspective is absolutely valuable. one can "know" a tenet of beliefs without "believing" it to be truth. this can be extremely oversimplified and bastardized by the artist who could portray such themes in a less than accurate or even a superficial light and so many are guilty of it. but i think that a proper exploration of themes can be made by an artist, without inferring anything about the artist's true beliefs. |
| _______________________________ [Aug 16,2012 11:51am - ark ""] and remember that the earliest bands using satanic imagery were not doing it to be "satanic" but anti-christian and anti-dogmatic. purely as a provocation to social norms. these weren't satanists. |
| _____________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 11:53am - arilliusbm ""] Obviously. Shock value must be taken into consideration. |
| _________________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 12:55pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Oversimplification is oversimplified. Are we talking about Satan as a concept? An archetype? A literal fallen angel? A different entity (or entities) under the same name? Congealed psychic energy given shape? A philosophy? Or just a figurehead for simple opposition? Are any/all of these things mutually exclusive? And what serious occultist talks about them explicitly on a fucking message board without a healthy degree of misdirection? Besides, black-and-white literal thinking is for Abrahamic monotheists. If your concept of a thing is that limited, I don't know what to tell you. |
| ___________________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 1:22pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] keep things and stuff out of black metal |
| ______________________________ [Aug 16,2012 1:25pm - Yeti ""] why reinvent the wheel? quit your whining, put on your spikes and paint, grab a battleaxe and shriek about Satan. |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 1:33pm - arilliusbm ""] Let's all be Beelze. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 1:43pm - chernobyl ""] Yeti said:why reinvent the wheel? quit your whining, put on your spikes and paint, grab a battleaxe and shriek about Satan. What about ICP? |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 1:48pm - trioxin245 ""] ITT: black metal is even gayer than I thought |
| ____________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 1:56pm - arilliusbm ""] Thread has delivered and lold. |
| ___________________________________ [Aug 16,2012 2:00pm - chernobyl ""] [img] |
| ______________________________ [Aug 16,2012 3:16pm - Yeti ""] chernobyl said: Yeti said:why reinvent the wheel? quit your whining, put on your spikes and paint, grab a battleaxe and shriek about Satan. What about ICP? i guess you can throw an ICP or two in there. |