New England Concerts - The Real Story[views:25232][posts:129]_____________________________________________ [Sep 21,2010 4:31pm - MarkFuckingRichards ""] There is an abundance of bros with cool stories in this thread. |
| ___________________________________________ [Sep 21,2010 4:40pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] there was this one time...i had a cool story. bro. |
| _______________________________ [Sep 21,2010 5:02pm - Pires ""] xmikex said:This thread has been hijacked by Piccadilly Pub. i've always wanted to stop there. now I have a reason to. excellent. |
| _____________________________________________ [Sep 21,2010 5:14pm - Bro is the bastard ""] [img] |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 21,2010 5:28pm - nekronaut ""] TIMMA said: nekronaut said:Dogwood Cafe in JP has a good chicken club and it's around the corner from my apt. Whoo! Seconded. The Dogwood's everything is amazing...love that place. You in Rosi or JP? I live in JP, off Washington two streets away from Dogwood towards Hyde Park. |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 21,2010 5:29pm - Spaldino ""] pay to play is gay, hey hey. |
| ___________________________________________________________ [Sep 21,2010 6:09pm - Big bag of assorted nigger parts ""] Any band who pays to play sucks - Because keeping that system alive fucks everyone, including themselves. |
| __________________________________ [Sep 21,2010 6:24pm - brian_dc ""] xmikex said:This thread has been hijacked by Piccadilly Pub. I lived in Franklin for almost 2 years and never went. Never had a chicken club there, needless to say. |
| __________________________________ [Sep 21,2010 6:27pm - brian_dc ""] TIMMA said: nekronaut said:Dogwood Cafe in JP has a good chicken club and it's around the corner from my apt. Whoo! Seconded. The Dogwood's everything is amazing...love that place. You in Rosi or JP? Taking note of this shit. |
| __________________________________ [Sep 21,2010 6:27pm - Archaeon ""] assholes who know nothing about business getting screwed over by assholes who know nothing about business. Who would have guessed? |
| __________________________________ [Sep 21,2010 6:32pm - brian_dc ""] New England Concerts - The Cool Story Bro |
| ___________________________________ [Sep 21,2010 7:36pm - Spaldino ""] guys... my band that i just made is on a show with Cannibal Corpse and Nile and Necrophagist... and like 6 locals... BUY MY TICKETS |
| ______________________________________________ [Sep 21,2010 7:49pm - BobNOMAAMRooney nli ""] xmikex said:This thread has been hijacked by Piccadilly Pub. Half-price appetizers every day after 8, a bushel of potato skins for under 3.50! |
| _________________________________ [Sep 21,2010 8:07pm - reimroc ""] brian_dc said:New England Concerts - The Cool Story Bro also lol'd i read it in the behind the music narrator's voice |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 21,2010 9:17pm - MillenialKingdom ""] I told Dave the same thing but you live and you learn. Let's just hope local music stays alive in this state. |
| _____________________________________________ [Sep 21,2010 9:41pm - degenerate bastard ""] ITS A HORRIBLE BUSINESS , BOOKING AGENTS WANT TO RAPE YOU , YOU GET BLAMED FOR EVERYTHING WHEN YOUR THE ONLY ONE DOING ALL THE WORK !!! AND YOU LOOSE AND ABOUT 40 OTHER PEOPLE MAKE $$$ .... ITS FUCKED BUT WE DONT MAKE THE $$$ LIKE SOME THINK ..... ALSO I HATE GUEST LISTS !!! SO DONT ASK !!! I DONT TAKE $$ FROM YOU DO I ? AND THEN YOU MEET YOUR IDOL AND HES A DICK . |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 21,2010 10:26pm - the_reverend ""] I believe that pete and sometimes robin are some of the only ones who are striking a good balance. This means that they lose money on almost 1/2 the shows. |
| ________________________________ [Sep 21,2010 11:31pm - Pires ""] Rich (keynoteco.) is a-ok in my book. Great promoter for what he does. Works hard and does tons of shows. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 21,2010 11:35pm - the_reverend ""] I haven't been to one of his shows. But doesnt do it with the frequency of pete or robin |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 12:00am - RichHorror ""] I don't lose any money because I never do guarantees that I'm not 100% sure I can make good on. Everyone else is stupid and should be killed. |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 12:13am - Alx_Casket ""] I never profited from booking. To me, having my favorite bands come to my neighborhood and play a show for me was well worth coordinating everything. There's a bunch of dudes in the area that are keeping the good shows coming, they really deserve more credit. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 2:25am - anonymous ""] I have dealt with Bernie plenty of times and that fat fuck has the IQ of a queef. He thinks he's gunna sue everyone and that every local band needs to sell hundreds of tickets to play for 20 minutes, etc etc. I straight up called him a fatass last time he called me and the last time I saw him I told him that his fat ass should be fuckin shot. Props to you for going through with the show even though you lost money. I hope you get what you deserve from NEC. |
| ______________________________ [Sep 22,2010 2:35am - BSV ""] Does this mean DORO is cancelled next week? |
| ________________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 5:42am - keynotecompany ""] Pires - Thanks that means a lot to me. Even though I do use presales on most shows I feel I'm honest and fair with the way I run my shows. Rev - I'm averaging around 50 shows a year just not ones you typically would probably attend. I would say that puts me at or above the frequency Pete does shows, not sure about Robin. However, I focus more on locals so it's easier to put shows together. They bring in some great nationals though! I do have bands presale tickets for most of my shows. Personally I feel that is defnitely different than pay to play. It's only pay to play when you are paying for tickets you didn't sell. Never would cancel a show due to poor sales or have someone not play a show... that's crazy. |
| __________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 8:22am - BrianDBB ""] This isn't directed at anybody, but just a rant I guess. From the small amount of shows i've put together, booking and promoting shows is NOT hard. It takes some good organization and communication, but that's about it. I've broken even at EVERY show with zero complaints. I have a full time regular job, so promoting is just a hobby, just like being in a band... the way it should be. Whenever I "made profit", I simply upped the amount I handed out in cash to the bands that night (the ones that actually stuck around, if you leave before the end without a damn good reason that's your loss). Every show had a SMALL lineup with bands people actually give a shit about, $5 entry to get more broke people to come out, and good promotion with sweet fliers posted at stores, online, and simply word of mouth. I've NEVER had issues "promoting" and i'd love to do it more. Not sure why I'm going off, but this seemed like the right thread for it. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 8:55am - aaron_michael ""] BrianDBB said:This isn't directed at anybody, but just a rant I guess. From the small amount of shows i've put together, booking and promoting shows is NOT hard. It takes some good organization and communication, but that's about it. I've broken even at EVERY show with zero complaints. I have a full time regular job, so promoting is just a hobby, just like being in a band... the way it should be. Whenever I "made profit", I simply upped the amount I handed out in cash to the bands that night (the ones that actually stuck around, if you leave before the end without a damn good reason that's your loss). Every show had a SMALL lineup with bands people actually give a shit about, $5 entry to get more broke people to come out, and good promotion with sweet fliers posted at stores, online, and simply word of mouth. I've NEVER had issues "promoting" and i'd love to do it more. Not sure why I'm going off, but this seemed like the right thread for it. I've done the exact same thing over the years with the exception of one giant show I put on in Dover with some crazy bitch. I needed the help of her vagina to book And Then There Were None and Shot Down Sun to help with the draw. Ugh. That decision will forever haunt me. |
| ______________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 9:54am - the_reverend ""] @Brian/@aaron that's the difference. You promoted A show or a couple of shows. It's a completely different ball game when you promote a show every single weekend. You get past the cut-co-family pyramid scheme of easy marks. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 9:55am - RichHorror ""] Yeah, even doing 2-3 a month becomes pretty difficult. It's hard to keep up any sort of quality when your constantly doing shows every month. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 9:57am - aaron_michael ""] I suppose so. And Cut-Co? You really had to bring up those pirates? |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 10:00am - arilliusbm ""] RichHorror made Seth very mad for not paying us 5 bucks. |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 10:02am - RichHorror ""] Gas for my beamer doesn't pay for itself, brah. |
| ____________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 10:06am - arktouros ""] Man, I hope Run Forrest Run and Spies Like Us read this thread. |
| ____________________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 10:07am - FuckIsMySignature ""] BrianDBB said:This isn't directed at anybody, but just a rant I guess. From the small amount of shows i've put together, booking and promoting shows is NOT hard. It takes some good organization and communication, but that's about it. I've broken even at EVERY show with zero complaints. I have a full time regular job, so promoting is just a hobby, just like being in a band... the way it should be. Whenever I "made profit", I simply upped the amount I handed out in cash to the bands that night (the ones that actually stuck around, if you leave before the end without a damn good reason that's your loss). Every show had a SMALL lineup with bands people actually give a shit about, $5 entry to get more broke people to come out, and good promotion with sweet fliers posted at stores, online, and simply word of mouth. I've NEVER had issues "promoting" and i'd love to do it more. Not sure why I'm going off, but this seemed like the right thread for it. i've pretty much taken the same approach with similar results. typically bands get paid and peoples have fun. i can see how it could become a pain in the ass if you make it your full time job though which is why i only do a show every couple months. |
| __________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 10:55am - brodown ""] The only time I've ever lost money was paying touring bands from out of town, and the only time I've made money was the $20 I had held aside for a band that left before I could find them. I'm more in Brian-By-Bukakke's camp as far as occasional shows goes, but I've got the utmost in respect for Rich, Robin, and the others that continue to be fair to bands and great to work with. That all being said--I for one am SUPER glad to have Dave out from under Bernie's influence. I can honestly say Hivesmasher wouldn't be doing the things we're doing now if it weren't for a LOT of shows at Rocko's over the years, so I'm glad we can go back now. I can see both sides of the 'pre-sale tickets' debate, but if you don't want to play the show, then nobody is forcing you to. I don't like hustling tickets either, but once again there have been shows (at Rocko's and other venues) that were well worth the ticket-sales effort we put in. Pay-to-play, however, is just inexcusable pimpin'. |
| ________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 10:57am - boxxy ""] i'd also like to point out that Dave has been dealing with situations with "Eyehategod" and bands of similar cost... which makes it a whole different ballgame... booking/promoting is a hard job.. one that i'm glad i don't have to do. |
| __________________________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 11:13am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] brodown said:The only time I've ever lost money was paying touring bands from out of town, and the only time I've made money was the $20 I had held aside for a band that left before I could find them. I'm more in Brian-By-Bukakke's camp as far as occasional shows goes, but I've got the utmost in respect for Rich, Robin, and the others that continue to be fair to bands and great to work with. That all being said--I for one am SUPER glad to have Dave out from under Bernie's influence. I can honestly say Hivesmasher wouldn't be doing the things we're doing now if it weren't for a LOT of shows at Rocko's over the years, so I'm glad we can go back now. I can see both sides of the 'pre-sale tickets' debate, but if you don't want to play the show, then nobody is forcing you to. I don't like hustling tickets either, but once again there have been shows (at Rocko's and other venues) that were well worth the ticket-sales effort we put in. Pay-to-play, however, is just inexcusable pimpin'. I agree with a good chunk of what you said, but before Dave ever got involved with Bernie he was dodging bands, so I find this hard to believe that he can chalk this all up to someone else. Dude actually used the "check's in the mail" excuse on me, which I'm still in shock over (of course the money never came). |
| __________________________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 11:15am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] I'm not looking to "call out" anyone or anything, just saying that now that ITE & NEC aren't one and the same doesn't mean that we live in heaven on earth now and all former wrongs have been forgiven. |
| _________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 11:19am - xmikex ""] I booked A show... once. The headlining band blew it off, and never showed up. The rest of the lineup was so awesome that nobody cared. The moral of the story is that it probably takes more work to fuck up a show then to run a successful one. |
| _______________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 11:25am - the_reverend ""] when you start doing more that a show or 2, it's like playing the stock market. You win some, You lose some. Take someone like Massconcerts or Pete, people will look at a show that did really well and the promoter gets let's say $1000 left over at the end of the night (after paying off flyer, etc...) Well, that $1000 pays for 5 shows that the promoter lost $200 each on. etc... As for this, I'm with boxxy, I'm glad it's not my job. |
| ____________________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 11:35am - FuckIsMySignature ""] i think it comes down to motive here. if you're booking/promoting shows to make a living = fail. if you're booking shows for the sake of having a fun time with good bands = win. |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 11:37am - RichHorror ""] ITT: Aaron pretends to have the slightest clue as to what he's talking about. |
| _____________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 12:27pm - arilliusbm ""] ITT: New England promoters need to win the lottery |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 12:31pm - metal_church101 ""] the_reverend said:Since I'm not in a band, I'm out of this circle, but like I have said before. "promotion" is not only the promoters job, but the bands jobs too. but there needs to be a balance. "Pay to Play" means the promoter gets lazy, the bands do the work, and no one stays after their friends band. "he's the promoter and it's his job" means the bands get lazy, the promoter does all the work, and no one comes to the show. :point: |
| __________________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 12:38pm - metal_church101 ""] Oh, and: [img] |
| __________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 12:40pm - W3 nli ""] I heard something about a quality chicken club |
| ____________________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 12:43pm - mikeofdecrepitude ""] I love that cat. |
| ___________________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 12:54pm - sixstringcarnage ""] Speaking of...Fuck SAMMY'S PATIO, for real. Forced Asphyxiation did a show in August with Scaphism, & Summoning Hate. Boycott that mutherfucking shit hole.. The Sound guy, didnt even give a thought as too paying out bands. I had to tell him to give me loot. |
| ___________________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 12:55pm - sixstringcarnage ""] sixstringcarnage said:Speaking of...Fuck SAMMY'S PATIO, for real. Forced Asphyxiation did a show in August with Scaphism, & Summoning Hate. Boycott that mutherfucking shit hole.. The Sound guy, didnt even give a thought as too paying out bands. I had to tell him to give me loot. Not too mention he was drunk running the sound board.. fucking up peoples sets. fuckin faggot |
| ____________________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 12:59pm - mikeofdecrepitude ""] ITT: New England remains wicked pissed. |
| ___________________________________________ [Sep 22,2010 1:02pm - FuckIsMySignature ""] yuh. |