People not coming out for relevant metal shows?[views:12051][posts:108]_______________________________________ [May 3,2009 3:35pm - halifaxcollect ""] It boggles my mind sometimes. There are two very current, relevant and even important tours going on in North America right now and I'm getting news saying that some of the dates have had very poor turn-outs. I blogged a bit about it. No educated guesses, more just a rant. http://halifaxcollect.blogspot.com/2009/05...le-not-coming-out-for-relevant.html |
| ____________________________________ [May 3,2009 6:41pm - i_am_not_me ""] A bullet through your temple would be relevant. |
| ______________________________ [May 3,2009 6:44pm - alexc ""] okay, so you're writing something based on some "news" you got? how do you know this is actually true? and as far as im concerned these are definitely not the most important or relevant metal shows going on in north america right now. |
| _______________________________________ [May 3,2009 6:59pm - halifaxcollect ""] alexc: you are right. It's just news I'm getting. Just like the ones i get about tours doing really well. Seeing as I'm not at the shows and the fact that I don't have any numbers from the promoters and booking agencies, I have no solid facts about anything. It is just word of mouth. I wish it was the other way around. Hence I wrote a bit, mostly in order to get other people's opinions. Also, some people read my blog and it helps promote both tours a bit. You know, every word helps. And I didn't say these tours were the MOST relevant or important tours going. Also, its always a matter of opinion in the end. I would love to see a packed house for those Napalm Death shows. Great bands supporting them. I went to one of the shows in question, not a strong turn out. One of the factors in that was probably the fact that said show was not promoted a lot. |
| _______________________________ [May 3,2009 7:42pm - Kevord ""] Did you just start going to metal shows? Suicide Silence and Acacia Strain will sell out shows while At the Gates and Carcass reunions don't. Kids only care about who's hot at the moment. At least it's better than 10 years ago. The crowd at a Napalm death show would have been in the double digits. |
| __________________________________ [May 3,2009 10:21pm - bradmann ""] i think part of the reason for a low turnout at least at the ND/Kataklysm shows is b/c theyre playing pretty big venues. you also live in Canada Birkir. I MEAN COME ON |
| ______________________________________ [May 3,2009 10:23pm - the_reverend ""] it's sad when at the gate and carcass don't sell out. that sucks. I blame free stars and xox live. |
| ______________________________________ [May 3,2009 10:23pm - the_reverend ""] xbox |
| ___________________________________________ [May 4,2009 12:37am - grizloch‘slaptop ""] so wait... people come out to irrelevant metal shows? |
| ____________________________________ [May 4,2009 1:37am - ouchdrummer ""] i dunno if i think that would be bad, i try to make a good percentage of the shows i go to locals. |
| _________________________________________ [May 4,2009 3:14am - douchebag_patrol ""] [img] |
| _______________________________ [May 4,2009 10:00am - Pires ""] I'm going to both the prov and allston misery index shows. Does that make me wicked metal guy? |
| ______________________________________ [May 4,2009 10:17am - the_reverend ""] no, since you aren't staying home. I think that more people are showing up to shows than "used to" but not as many as used to back before they "used to". I saw kreator with maybe 30 people back in 2002/2003 and then with over 800 in 2009. |
| ____________________________________ [May 4,2009 10:20am - arilliusbm ""] Was that when they played with Vader? 2001-2002? I can't remember. But I know what you're talking about. No one was there for kreator. K-R-E-A-T-O-R |
| ___________________________________________ [May 4,2009 10:24am - MikeofdecrepitudE ""] How about years ago when the Palladium had killer Death and Black Metal shows almost every single weekend? Half the kids that show up to shows now, were no where to be found. I still remember those days when I would be at the Palladium, getting to see an awesome show almost every weekend. Now? I could care less if the Palladium burnt down. |
| ________________________________ [May 4,2009 10:50am - Kevord ""] the_reverend said:no, since you aren't staying home. I think that more people are showing up to shows than "used to" but not as many as used to back before they "used to". I saw kreator with maybe 30 people back in 2002/2003 and then with over 800 in 2009. Was that when they played with Destruction in Haverhill? |
| _________________________________ [May 4,2009 10:53am - darkwor ""] At least Maryland Death Fest is beyond sold out. |
| _________________________________ [May 4,2009 10:58am - C.dEAd ""] MikeofdecrepitudE said:How about years ago when the Palladium had killer Death and Black Metal shows almost every single weekend? Half the kids that show up to shows now, were no where to be found. I still remember those days when I would be at the Palladium, getting to see an awesome show almost every weekend. Now? I could care less if the Palladium burnt down. Truth. I haven't been to a show there since like 03 or 04. Even then I didn't go for a year or two before that. I hate going there. |
| ______________________________________ [May 4,2009 11:00am - the_reverend ""] kevord: yes. aril: like seeing dismember in 2000 or 2001 and most of the audience leaving after shadows fall was done? I remember the whole crowd being up on the stage at one point. |
| ____________________________________ [May 4,2009 11:01am - arilliusbm ""] How about Dismember and Grave playing at Mark's Showplace a few years ago and 45 people were at that show? |
| ___________________________________________ [May 4,2009 11:02am - MikeofdecrepitudE ""] I was one of the people on stage, right next to Matti, trying not to smother his personal space. Now that was a fuckin' show! ::ahem:: Caring about shadows fall over Dismember = LOL. |
| ___________________________________ [May 4,2009 11:09am - dreadkill ""] that was an awesome show, but the crowd sucked as you said |
| ______________________________________ [May 4,2009 11:12am - quintessence ""] What kills me is when amazing bands who never play around here come from over seas and no one shows up. Good example was that Grave/Dismember show. Although I could of cared less as I had a blast seeing both those bands. |
| ________________________________ [May 4,2009 11:17am - Kevord ""] Then people cry cause Bolt thrower and Entombed don't want to tour the States. |
| __________________________________ [May 4,2009 8:00pm - demondave ""] I remember hearing about the Kreator/Destruction show AFTER it happened. There was no significant promotion for that. I was one of the people on the stage for Dismember. The band seemed to love and hate it at the same time. They couldn't see over the wall of bodies in front of them and probably didn't realize half the crowd left. My attendence for shows is mixed. It honestly depends on what else I have going on. I couldn't make the Carcass show for example, but I damn well got my ass to the Kreig show. I drove down to Philadelphia to see Toxic Holocaust and Nunslaughter play a street party in the middle of the worst Philly Ghetto. I went down to Virginia for the first Destruction 'reunion' tour (because I couldn't make it in New England) and I did not know if there would be another tour. At the Rhode Island Death Fest I missed a chunk of Saturday, but I was there first thing Sunday. It is what it is. HallifaxCollect - Clearly you are disappointed by the news you heard, so I see that you are just ranting a little on the blog. Since you have posted it in RTP here's some feedback: Nothing is more annoying to people than being told what they 'should' do. If you really want to promote metal don't whine about people not going to shows, trying to 'guilt' them into going to the bands you like. You are actually suggesting that it would be a lame evening and that people are better off saving their cash - whether you realize it or not. Perhaps your focus should be on how great a show is. Just go off about the awesome shows you saw instead of focusing suggestions of lame crowds. And what's with the overuse of the word "Relevant"? That is obnoxious. You're not appealing to people's interest, but talking down to them. When you hit up terms like 'Relevant' and 'Historic' or 'Important' it sounds like you are describing things that really are not enjoyable but people should be forced to go to for their own good. You should keep that in check if you really want to help out these bands. I like Napalm Death. I have seen them many times - small and large shows. I was initially turned off to Misery Index (mainly because there was another band called Misery Index before them in Rhode Island years ago - hence the confusion). However, I saw them in an American Legion Hall in Providence. It was absolutely great. It was a small but tight crowd. The band set up on the floor and everyone got into it. The band clearly enjoyed themselves. It was great, and I'll see them again when I can. |
| _____________________________________ [May 4,2009 10:16pm - i_am_not_me ""] arilliusbm said:How about Dismember and Grave playing at Mark's Showplace a few years ago and 45 people were at that show? The bit I was hearing from most people was that they would rather wait for the same lineup with Vital Remains at the Middle East that was not too far off from that show. My original intention was to go to both, but I only managed to make the Mark's show. Was that the show that the guy randomly passed out and everyone was being retarded and crowding around him on the floor? But yeah. The word "relevant" should never be used in regards to music. Same goes for "dated". |
| _________________________________ [May 4,2009 10:38pm - reimroc ""] If you like the band(s) you're seeing I'm pretty sure it makes the show relevant. |
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| __________________________________________________________ [May 5,2009 8:03am - BILLY MAYS HERE /w SOMEDAY PROV. ""] I PRAY FOR MORE IRRELEVANT METAL. |
| _____________________________ [May 5,2009 10:45am - pam ""] Personal taste isn't the same for everyone? Wacky. |
| __________________________________________ [May 5,2009 10:56am - corpus_colostomy ""] maybe its kause of teh ekonomy that teh kehds doesnt make it to deez wikked awesome shows dewd, and who cares abouts music andyways i spents my monies on a blow out and 15 hoodies on teh paypal siq mosh bro. moar suicide silence plzkthnx 111111110000. |
| _________________________________ [May 5,2009 11:00am - RustyPS ""] if a tree falls in the forest, and no one's around to hear it..........is it relevant? |
| _________________________________ [May 5,2009 11:01am - c.DEad ""] MikeofdecrepitudE said:I was one of the people on stage, right next to Matti, trying not to smother his personal space. Now that was a fuckin' show! ::ahem:: Caring about shadows fall over Dismember = LOL. Me and Inject-now were also among those idiots on stage. Matti looked so hilarious like he was going to shit his pants. He kept waving his hands and saying in his retard english "uhhh stay away....stay away....." hahah, good times. |
| ______________________________________ [May 5,2009 11:15am - the_reverend ""] it's funny that there was no one there, but everyone was there. |
| _____________________________________ [May 5,2009 11:26am - ouchdrummer ""] [May 4,2009 10:38pm - reimroc] "If you like the band(s) you're seeing I'm pretty sure it makes the show relevant." Sure, but he wasn't referring to relevant to what you like, he was referring to relevant to the "scene" or more accurately, relevant to what's going on in the scene. That's why it was a silly remark. Don't defend! |
| _________________________________ [May 5,2009 11:53am - reimroc ""] True jim but it still goes back to liking what you like. The real argument is why are less and less people getting in to or learning about good bands in a given genre. |
| ______________________________________ [May 5,2009 11:54am - goatcatalyst ""] I was at that Dismember show but not on stage. |
| _________________________________ [May 5,2009 11:55am - RustyPS ""] ouchdrummer said:[May 4,2009 10:38pm - reimroc] "If you like the band(s) you're seeing I'm pretty sure it makes the show relevant." Sure, but he wasn't referring to relevant to what you like, he was referring to relevant to the "scene" or more accurately, relevant to what's going on in the scene. That's why it was a silly remark. Don't defend! Right, but what he thinks is "relevant" the the scene, and what you or I think is "relevant" could be completely different. There is no such thing as a universally "relevant" event in most realms of life. Relevance, for the most part, isn't objective. |
| _________________________________ [May 5,2009 12:00pm - reimroc ""] RustyPS said: ouchdrummer said:[May 4,2009 10:38pm - reimroc] "If you like the band(s) you're seeing I'm pretty sure it makes the show relevant." Sure, but he wasn't referring to relevant to what you like, he was referring to relevant to the "scene" or more accurately, relevant to what's going on in the scene. That's why it was a silly remark. Don't defend! Right, but what he thinks is "relevant" the the scene, and what you or I think is "relevant" could be completely different. There is no such thing as a universally "relevant" event in most realms of life. Relevance, for the most part, isn't objective. Exactly. |
| _____________________________________ [May 5,2009 12:03pm - ouchdrummer ""] wow....Rusty.... that's what i was saying dude. That relevant can't possibly pertain to everyone. jeeze, tough crowd. |
| ______________________________ [May 5,2009 12:43pm - Yeti ""] relevance is irrelevant. |
| _________________________________ [May 5,2009 12:46pm - RustyPS ""] ouchdrummer said:wow....Rusty.... that's what i was saying dude. That relevant can't possibly pertain to everyone. jeeze, tough crowd.WOAH WOAH WOAH lol |
| __________________________________ [May 5,2009 1:05pm - dreadkill ""] i go to as many shows with bands i like as i can. sometimes i have to miss shows i want ot see, but everything i get to is relevant to me. i couldn't give a fuck if anyone thinks it's relevant or not. i like misery index, but i'm not a rabid fan, and if i happen to catch them, cool. if not, i don't give a shit. i love napalm death, but i wasn't going pay out the ass to see them at metalfest, nor was i going to watch them on a shitty tour with devildriver. |
| __________________________________ [May 5,2009 1:11pm - dreadkill ""] misery index didn't reinvent music or put a mindblowing new spin on it. good band? sure, but not the best on the planet. napalm death on the other hand, definitely has made an indelible mark on music. if you like the bands, go see them. if you don't stay home. who gives a shit? i stopped worrying about what other people liked a while ago and just focused on what i do like. i used to worry about posers and trendhoppers liking the stuff i like or bands of that ilk stealing the spotlight from stuff i like, but now i just focus on what i like. when you expend more energy hating scenesters and the stuff they like, than actually listening to what you like, you have a problem. i said good riddance to that problem a couple years ago when it finally dawned on me that it wasn't worth it. |
| ___________________________________ [May 5,2009 1:15pm - arilliusbm ""] Instead of thinking on a micro level (what bands you like, what bands you want to see, what bands you're there for), one needs to think on a macro level. There is nothing wrong with going for shows for yourself; in fact, most people go to shows for themselves. I know I do. But by thinking on a macro level - taking a look at the bigger picture - I think it is safe to say that New England is seriously lacking good metal venues and true metal fans. The majority of people that go to shows with bands from other states or countries is saddening. Either most people like myself stay at home because they've got kids or perhaps the whole metal "scene" here needs a reawakening. I can tell you that the fans and crowds in other states and coutries seems dramatically different than the ones here. Again, this is on a wide-scale.. |
| __________________________________ [May 5,2009 1:17pm - dreadkill ""] i totally understand and agree with your point. i just don't know what to do to change it. that outdoor fest could be a good start. |
| __________________________________ [May 5,2009 1:17pm - dreadkill ""] by change it, i meant change the status quo around here. |
| _____________________________ [May 5,2009 1:19pm - Yeti ""] good point, i go to shows alone quite often. i just love watching live music. its unfortunate how things are around here, there are places in the country who would kill for music availability like we have in New England, and most take it for granted. |
| _____________________________ [May 5,2009 1:21pm - Yeti ""] unfortunately i believe that only time can change things, as it has all along. no one act by anyone is going to change anything, only the natural cycle will change it. |
| ____________________________________ [May 5,2009 1:23pm - ouchdrummer ""] i don't take it for granted. I love seeing all the music that we have here... and i love having someone who takes pics all so many local shows just for the sake of doing it, our "scene" rules, our "rev" rules, and overall our bands rule. I love New England |