Concealed Carry Bill Makes it through the House in NH[views:15928][posts:103]___________________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 11:38am - largefreakatzero ""] Just ask Mojo, they're LYYYYYIINNNNNN' COCKSUCKERS!!!! [img] |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 1:04pm - arilliusbm ""] Figures.. didn't clink it |
| ________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 2:22pm - burnsy ""] ArrowHeadNLI said: You should swing by sometime, haven't seen ya in a billion years. It has been about that long. I'll definitely come down sometime. At the same place I'm assuming? |
| _________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 3:13pm - Doomkid ""] Conceal carry laws are fine in rural/semi-suburban settings but there are serious issues if you start extending that to cities. Urban environments are very stressful to humans, particularly walking thought cities when your brain has to deal with dozens or hundreds of new human faces at a time. Given the amount of bullshit fights that break out in bars, I would posit that guns would cause more damage/loss of life since drunk people cannot be counted on for anything resembling reasonableness. Especially with particular people and their tendency towards aggressive behavior. Homo urbanus: go ahead and use some kind of non-lethal weapon instead. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 3:19pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""] burnsy said: ArrowHeadNLI said: You should swing by sometime, haven't seen ya in a billion years. It has been about that long. I'll definitely come down sometime. At the same place I'm assuming? yup currently unemployed. Shithole job finally fired me. Oddly, I'm actually happy about it. That place ate my soul. Now it's growing back slowly. |
| ___________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 3:22pm - Paul CNV ""] In Guns We Trust |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 3:25pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""] Doomkid said: Given the amount of bullshit fights that break out in bars, I would posit that guns would cause more damage/loss of life since drunk people cannot be counted on for anything resembling reasonableness. Especially with particular people and their tendency towards aggressive behavior. Homo urbanus: go ahead and use some kind of non-lethal weapon instead. Don't "Posit". Go find some facts. There's plenty of states already allowing conceal carry - find me some instances of people whipping out guns and killing each other in bars at an alarming rate. Otherwise, it's pussy warry-wart rhetoric from someone completely uneducated on the subject. The same kind of pussy warry-wart rhetoric already tying up the vast majority of our political system. Maybe instead of talking about what they don't know, they could shut the hell up and spend time learning instead. Meanwhile, conceal carry is NOT a license to shoot people. Pull the trigger, and deal with a potential lifetime of loss, legal troubles, and much much worse ramifications. People are going to break rules. Sometimes with lethal results. But the same is true of automobiles, a PRIVILEGE people treat like it's their RIGHT to drive as fast as they want, however they want. People will fight like hell to keep and defend this privilege to drive, but then turn around and criticize the lethal ramifications of a constitutionally given RIGHT to own a gun. RETARDED BACK ASSWARDS LIBERAL PUSSY CRAP, that's what I think of that. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 3:26pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""] And if you disagree, I will shoot you. JK |
| ______________________________ [Mar 14,2011 3:31pm - Yeti ""] eloquently put. last night i was hanging out with some friends and this guy was carrying a concealed pistol. i thought it was great. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 3:33pm - arilliusbm ""] Minnesota ain't have no problems with concealed weapons. When I was growing up in Texas, motherfuckers would have shotguns Xed in the back window of their truck cabin cause they don't give a fuck. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 3:36pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] ArrowHeadNLI said:And if you disagree, I will shoot you. JK SM: I'LL FUCKING KILL YOU LOL |
| _________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 3:42pm - Doomkid ""] ArrowHeadNLI said: Doomkid said: Given the amount of bullshit fights that break out in bars, I would posit that guns would cause more damage/loss of life since drunk people cannot be counted on for anything resembling reasonableness. Especially with particular people and their tendency towards aggressive behavior. Homo urbanus: go ahead and use some kind of non-lethal weapon instead. Don't "Posit". Go find some facts. There's plenty of states already allowing conceal carry - find me some instances of people whipping out guns and killing each other in bars at an alarming rate. Otherwise, it's pussy warry-wart rhetoric from someone completely uneducated on the subject. The same kind of pussy warry-wart rhetoric already tying up the vast majority of our political system. Maybe instead of talking about what they don't know, they could shut the hell up and spend time learning instead. Meanwhile, conceal carry is NOT a license to shoot people. Pull the trigger, and deal with a potential lifetime of loss, legal troubles, and much much worse ramifications. People are going to break rules. Sometimes with lethal results. But the same is true of automobiles, a PRIVILEGE people treat like it's their RIGHT to drive as fast as they want, however they want. People will fight like hell to keep and defend this privilege to drive, but then turn around and criticize the lethal ramifications of a constitutionally given RIGHT to own a gun. RETARDED BACK ASSWARDS LIBERAL PUSSY CRAP, that's what I think of that. Clearly you didn't bother to actually check on anything I wrote. I'd be happy to provide you with articles and studies showing that urban environments are stressful to humans. As for my positing, what the fuck is wrong with throwing out an idea? I didn't claim any facts, with the exception that drunk people are more likely to be aggressive and unreasonable, which I doubt you would contest. I don't see how my suggesting people carrying weapons that have less potential to kill people based on a snap-judgement makes me a pussy. And there's no correlation to draw between people driving and carrying concealed weapons. People die in car accidents when cars fuck up and do not do what they are supposed to, people die from gunfire because the gun did exactly what it was designed to do. Regardless, my view on driving is that its become this sick perversion of American views on private property ("my car, I can do what I want, fuck everyone if I'm driving dangerously in a car which damages public health"). How about you me some examples of cities(above 100,000 people at least) where people are given blanket permission to carry concealed firearms. I'll happily change my view if presented with evidence. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 3:56pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""] You'll be happy to change your view unsupported by evidence if provided with contrary evidence? NO FUCKING WAY. Next, I'll be wiping your chin, cleaning your ass, and putting away your gym sock for you. Do your own work, you're the one "positing". |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 3:58pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""] Yeti said:eloquently put. last night i was hanging out with some friends and this guy was carrying a concealed pistol. i thought it was great. Was it in a city with more than 100,000 people, or at a bar? Because if it was, your friend would clearly need to start indiscriminately firing at people. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 4:06pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] ArrowHeadNLI said: Yeti said:eloquently put. last night i was hanging out with some friends and this guy was carrying a concealed pistol. i thought it was great. Was it in a city with more than 100,000 people, or at a bar? Because if it was, your friend would clearly need to start indiscriminately firing at people. In Worcester that'll barely earn you 2 wanted stars. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 4:06pm - Alx_Casket ""] Owning a gun is all the evidence you need to be right about anything. Such fundamentals are what this nation was built upon. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 4:06pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] GTA: Worcester - I need to start working on this ASAP. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 4:09pm - Alx_Casket ""] True DYA, This state itself would be a great layout for a new GTA. Worcester would be good for a shorter zombie survival game with heavy ICP influence. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 4:09pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Alx_Casket said:Owning a gun is all the evidence you need to be right about anything. Such fundamentals are what all civilizations have been built upon since the beginning of time, except when guns used to be swords and before that rocks. Coercive authority: Not so bad if you squint real hard and pretend it's not there. Might makes right isn't pretty, but it's never going away as long as one human wants something another has. We just hang a lot of pretty words and make it really complicated so it doesn't FEEL that way. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 4:16pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] 1 man with a gun = a robber 10 men with guns = a gang 100 men with guns = a militia 1000 men with guns and 10 guys in suits telling them what to do = a government All a matter of scale. |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 4:19pm - bobnomaamrooney ""] Gun ownership should be mandatory and all guns should shoot circular sawblades. ONLY THE ZERO POINT ENERGY FIELD MANIPULATOR IS REAL THE END |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 4:35pm - Alx_Casket ""] So you're proposing there would be a gang building buddy system to the game? Sounds good to me, but there might be some genre confusion (FPS/RTS/MMO) if too many people join up! |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 4:52pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Alx_Casket said:So you're proposing there would be a gang building buddy system to the game? Sounds good to me, but there might be some genre confusion (FPS/RTS/MMO) if too many people join up! Not proposing, pointing out that this is how it's ALWAYS worked since one dude told another dude, "you can't do [X] anymore and here's why" with a rock in his hand. It's all gradation and illusion separating any government ever from any other band of brigands. So attacking gun ownership with a "might makes right" argument is like criticizing owners of heavy rocks because "well, what if gravitation acceleration suddenly equaled 9.8 meters/second squared and they started falling, you ever think of that?" It's a given, inescapable as rain in April. (I'm engaging in some mild hyperbole here, but this stuff always tickles me.) |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 4:52pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] Oh wait, you're talking about the game. HERP DERP. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 4:53pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] ME SMART, MAEK A INTERNET |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 5:08pm - Alx_Casket ""] LOL consider yourself tickled. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 5:17pm - largefreakatzero ""] ArrowHeadNLI said: Meanwhile, conceal carry is NOT a license to shoot people. Pull the trigger, and deal with a potential lifetime of loss, legal troubles, and much much worse ramifications. Absolutely right. Currently, if you even pull a gun on someone, you can be prosecuted for criminal threatening. Followed by the po-po taking ALL of your beloved firearms. You need to prove that you are substantially threatened, and currently need to try the option of retreating before using deadly force. There's a new bill being voted on tomorrow in the NH House that could change some of that if it passes: House Bill 210, introduced by state Representative Richard Okerman (R-Rockingham 4), would permit law-abiding citizens to use force, including deadly force, against an attacker in their home and any place outside of their home where they have a legal right to be. In the face of unlawful attack, law-abiding citizens should not be forced to retreat or run from a place they have a right to be. 210 is in answer to a guy up north who ended up doing time because he was holding a gun when he told a woman to get off of his property - didn't point it at her, only brandished it. She rose a stink, and he got fucked, which pissed off 3/4 of the state, hence the 210 law. Also, another one allowing you to keep your piece(s) in a locked vehicle: HB 235, introduced by state Representative Gary Hopper (R- Hillsborough 7), would permit the carrying of a firearm in one’s locked personal motor vehicle and prohibit a business entity from banning an employee, customer, or invitee from possessing a firearm in such person’s locked motor vehicle while on the business entity’s premises. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 5:40pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] I'm all for anti-gun laws as long as they're enforced by police armed with sticks and strong language. |
| _________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 5:41pm - Doomkid ""] ArrowHeadNLI said:You'll be happy to change your view unsupported by evidence if provided with contrary evidence? NO FUCKING WAY. Next, I'll be wiping your chin, cleaning your ass, and putting away your gym sock for you. Do your own work, you're the one "positing". I am cheerfully asking you for evidence to back up your assertions and you're just giving me livid vitriol. I have revised my positions and admitted my error in numerous discussions as contentious as this, give me evidence don't just yell like a fucking child. As for the articles I referred to, I can email you pdfs as I don't think they're available free online. |
| _________________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 5:43pm - bobnomaamrooney ""] DestroyYouAlot said:I'm all for anti-gun laws as long as they're enforced by police armed with sticks and strong language. Ribald haberdashery? |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 6:02pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""] Doomkid said: I am cheerfully asking you for evidence to back up your assertions No, you're making an uneducated point, with no relevant evidence available in the wide array of current statistics and evidence, and then demanding others prove THEMSELVES when they call you on talking out of your bum. Why should I even so much a GOOGLE for you, when you're the one making the point? I'm not your research assistant. You said "I thnk X" I say burden of proof is on you, because I feel that by taking time to do your own research you might 1) learn something 2) in the future take time to grasp a subject before you jump in and "posit" |
| _________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 6:39pm - Doomkid ""] I wasn't implying that you were my research assistant, I just wanted you to supply evidence to back up your point as I offered to do for mine. So that we could both 1) learn something from each other 2) have a discussion rather than a shouting match It is hard to draw a positive or negative correlation between opening up of conceal carry laws over the past 25 and the firearm homicide rate. I was very wrong to assume that there was data to support my position, and the truth is it doesn't obviously support it. However, I believe that it is a bad idea to allow urban populations to arm themselves in the long run. I'm not saying that concealed carry laws give people a license or a reason to just shoot someone. What I'm saying is that it creates a context in which it is much easier for someone to get shot for a trivial reason. Example: Men in lower-income areas of cities can be prone to act in rash ways to resolve jealousy issues. The position of being in a relatively low-status position can lead individuals to take extreme risks over what people in general might call "trivial incidents". Since cities characteristically group those with low-status together one would expect more of these explosive "trivial incidents" to occur and cause problems, and indeed that is borne out in research. (Wilson, David S. Evolution for Everyone, p 94-96) So, would it not make sense to err on the side of caution and arm less rather than just arming everyone (who-is-able-to-obtain-a-permit)? |
| ________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 6:55pm - Irish ""] The japs said they didn't invade during ww2 specifically because they were under the impression that all Americans had guns! Admiral Yamamoto said "there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass". I live in NH and have my permit, no problem. The only difference is they get $10 for like 4 years with a permit and if the new law passes they won't. You don't need any permit to buy a gun now, the only difference is they won't get $10 from residents, big deal. To anyone who says there will be gun slingers in all the bars . . I go to the bar, with my gun and haven't shot anyone yet. You can who most of the folks who have guns and who don't. The ones that don't make up scenarios that are unlikely out our fear. |
| ________________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 7:16pm - DestroyYouAlot ""] So hopping on the first one-way rocket off this rock; once there are no frontiers left on Earth, there's nowhere to go but backwards. Can't wait to Get My Ass to Mars. |
| ___________________________________________ [Mar 14,2011 10:13pm - MillenialKingdom ""] Owning a gun isn't just for shooting people, there are lots you can do with them. I own a .22 pistol, plan on getting a .45 and a couple rifles. I have my concealed carry permit. I'm in the Army and every year we have a shooting competition that I want to be a part of and I own a gun for practice and such. Compared to the national scale, NH is one of the top 5 safest states. To my knowledge, there is not a lot of gun crime happening but I could be naive. Also, committing a crime with a gun and expecting to get away with it is really dumb because you spend about an hour filling out paperwork while the gun shop owner calls the government to run a background check on you. Your signature is on official paperwork along with the gun you just registered. You would only be incriminating yourself which is the reason why you don't see a lot of people just popping off shots at others. |
| _____________________________________ [Mar 15,2011 12:33am - Alx_Casket ""] DestroyYouAlot said:So hopping on the first one-way rocket off this rock; once there are no frontiers left on Earth, there's nowhere to go but backwards. Can't wait to Get My Ass to Mars. bennyhillifier |
| ______________________________________________ [Mar 15,2011 12:46am - Woah!_Shut_It_Down! ""] Could be my naïevety and love of statistics, but aren't states with looser gun laws normally safer? |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 15,2011 12:58am - Burnsy nli ""] ArrowHeadNLI said: No, you're making an uneducated point, with no relevant evidence available in the wide array of current statistics and evidence, and then demanding others prove THEMSELVES when they call you on talking out of your bum. Why should I even so much a GOOGLE for you, when you're the one making the point? I'm not your research assistant. You said "I thnk X" I say burden of proof is on you, because I feel that by taking time to do your own research you might 1) learn something 2) in the future take time to grasp a subject before you jump in and "posit" This. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 15,2011 1:09am - RainPerimeter ""] Guns are a necessary evil in this world. Considering how easy it is for criminals and people who carry them for means of harming others to get em' on the street, everyone who is a legal, law abiding citizen should be allowed to carry. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 15,2011 1:15am - RainPerimeter ""] ...briefly, I have to say it's the most disgusting feeling to have a gun pulled on you. I went to a Dubstep rave last week in San Fransicko and as I was hiding my belongings in my car ('cause I parked in a sketchy neighborhood) a cop walked up and pointed his gun at me. I'd rather have one and not need it than need one and not have it, but, if I was carrying that night I would have gotten hassled waaaaaay more than I did. Supposedly, people were robbing cars in the 'hood and me in my black hooodie, hood up, fit the description. Happy drugs were more than necessary that night despite whether or not they were on the agenda... |
| ______________________________ [Mar 15,2011 7:29am - Yeti ""] DestroyYouAlot said:GTA: Worcester - I need to start working on this ASAP. hahahaha ever since San Andreas came out i realized my life mission is to become a billionaire so i can pay Rockstar Games to create this. one of the main reasons is because i want to drive 200 mph through Kelley Square. |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 15,2011 8:01am - arilliusbm ""] Yeti said: DestroyYouAlot said:GTA: Worcester - I need to start working on this ASAP. hahahaha ever since San Andreas came out i realized my life mission is to become a billionaire so i can pay Rockstar Games to create this. one of the main reasons is because i want to drive 200 mph through Kelley Square. do it in real life with your new car u won't or is you pussy a |
| _____________________________ [Mar 15,2011 9:02am - pam ""] I'm from MA, prettyfuckingliberal, and I don't think guns should be banned. I think the drug laws should be lifted so gangs have less to shoot each other over. That'll do more to decrease gun death than banning firearms. Arizona is a concealed carry state and no one shot that lunatic who plugged the nice politician lady Sarah Palin put a hit out on sooooo |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 15,2011 2:33pm - largefreakatzero ""] pam said:I think the drug laws should be lifted so gangs have less to shoot each other over. That'll do more to decrease gun death than banning firearms. Yup, pretty much. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 15,2011 2:44pm - ArrowHeadNLI ""] pam said: Arizona is a concealed carry state and no one shot that lunatic who plugged the nice politician lady Sarah Palin put a hit out on sooooo Nope, one idiot firing into a crowd is lethal enough. They instead jumped on him and took him the fuck down. Now the question is, how many people with the balls to do that would have been at the rally for the ANTI gun representative? (Giffords was pro-gun) |
| ____________________________________ [Mar 15,2011 2:53pm - arilliusbm ""] largefreakatzero said: pam said:I think the drug laws should be lifted so gangs have less to shoot each other over. That'll do more to decrease gun death than banning firearms. Yup, pretty much. Yup. |
| _________________________________ [Mar 15,2011 2:54pm - Doomkid ""] arilliusbm said: largefreakatzero said: pam said:I think the drug laws should be lifted so gangs have less to shoot each other over. That'll do more to decrease gun death than banning firearms. Yup, pretty much. Yup. Indeed. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 15,2011 3:06pm - largefreakatzero ""] Doomkid said: arilliusbm said: largefreakatzero said: pam said:I think the drug laws should be lifted so gangs have less to shoot each other over. That'll do more to decrease gun death than banning firearms. Yup, pretty much. Yup. Indeed. [img] |
| _________________________________ [Mar 15,2011 3:17pm - Doomkid ""] Hahaha, fucking perfect. |
| __________________________________________ [Mar 15,2011 3:31pm - largefreakatzero ""] Anytime that "indeed" is uttered or written, I always think of Omar. Best gay character EVAR. |